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TrapzillaFB

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I'm looking to start my first cycle here soon, and am currently in the planning stage. Here is some background info:

Been seriously working out for about 5-6 years now.
Age:20, almost 21
Height:6'2"
Weight:227 as of yesterday
BF: 11%

Workouts: 5 Day Split, Chest, Back, Legs, Shoulders, and Arms
60 Minutes a day

Supplement History:
Creatine, Glutamine, Multi, CLA, Fish Oils, BCAAs like clockwork

Diet:

Breakfast:
15 Egg Whites, 5 Egg Yolks
1 Cup Oatmeal
1 Tbsp Natty PB

Meal 2:
12 oz Chicken Breast
3/4 cup oatmeal
High Protein Yogurt
1 Cup Green Beans/Broccoli

Meal 3:
Similar to meal 2, maybe a little lean turkey or tuna in the mix
35-40g whole grain carbs again
5-10 g healthy fats (almonds, PB, olive oil)

Pre-Workout:
Arginine
2.5 Scoops Whey
1 Medium Apple

Post-Workout:
2.5 Scoops Whey
120g Fast Carbs (Usually White Rice, sometimes Gatorade)

Meal 6:
Same as 2 &3

Meal 7: Lean Beef and Chicken
About 60g pro/12g fat

Meal 8:(Immediately before bed)
1 Cup Cottage Cheese
1 Tbsp Natty PB

About 400-450 g Protein, 350g Carbs, Decent Amount of Healthy Fats

Goals:

Football Player, Looking To Put On A Little Weight, Lean Out A Little, Looking For A Strength Increase Mainly

Ideas:
I know that Test is the base to any cycle, but I want to really stay away from estrogenic side effects, water retention, gyno, my ideas were either

Anavar/Tbol (50mg ED/50mg Tbol ED)
or
Anavar/Masteron (50mg Anavar ED/100mg Masteron Prop EOD)

PCT:
Nolvadex,HCG,Aromasin

Not sure on length, 6-8 Weeks?

Feedback is greatly appriciated
 
you don't have to worry about the sides if you're using an ai like you should (aromasin). do you have to worry about detection times?
 
If everything above is correct you're doing great....If detection times are something to worry about you may want to look at what you consider using. If they aren't my pick would be EQ. You can get away with pinning it once a week. I never noticed any sides going up to 800mg's but definitely noticed the strength increase and the benefits of the extra red blood cell production. Both things would be great for you.
 
Anavar is the best I have ever done. No sides for me and my strength went waaaay up at 25mg 2x/ed for 3 months....and I kept it. You're diet is great but you're not even close to filling out. Even though you won't, I would honestly wait a few years.
 
If your diet is dialed in then theres no reason you shouldn't be growing like a weed forget steroids for now no need in messing up your natural production, If you have plateaued then overhaul you training routine.

READ MY SIGNATURE
RADAR
 
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Yes that is my actual diet, been like that for almost a year, have gone from 205/14%bf to 227/11%, but have been stuck at 225-228 for about 2 months now. Detection times are not a worry, as I am not tested except for street drugs. If you guys think i should wait, i will, i want to do this right. I am all ears, trying to be a sponge and soak up info.. I just thought it would be nice to do before football ends for me. Thanks for the replies, any more info is greatly appriciated
 
If you have stuck to that type of diet for a year you are my hero! diet is the hardest part to keep steady at for me. I agree with above...anything you use would be fine if your diet and training is like you posted. Just keep the chemicals simple like you have planned
 
Thanks for the advice and the kind words, I have stuck to that diet for a year now, really haven't cheated at all, I have always been dedicated, and many people call me crazy or obsessed for following my diet to the letter. Let me go grab my training notebook and ill post my workouts from this week.
 
Back
Deadlift
Bent over row
lat pulldown
Seated row
T-bar row
Straight arm pulldown

Chest
Incline barbell
Dumbbell flat bench
Weighted dips
Incline flies
Cable crossover

Legs
Back squat
Leg press
Lunges
Hack squat
Leg ext
Leg curls

Shoulders
Pre exhaust side lat raises
Military press
Barbell shrugs
Dumbbell press
Front raises
Rear cable flies

Arms
Decline close grip
Barbell curls
decline skull crushers
Ez bar preacher curls
Tricept cable pushdowns
Incline hammer curls

Usually 4-5 sets in the 6 to 8 rep range for the compound multijoint stuff, 3 sets for isolation exercises, usually 8 to 12 reps

Each week I change exercises whether it be cable vs free or barbell/dumbbell

again thanks for the help guys, I'm just gonna keep absorbing all the info I can like a sponge
 
If you're only 20 years old you shouldn't be running a cycle. Your natty test levels should be very high right now. Not to mention an oral only (var/tbol) cycle is going to be incredible rough on your liver. Var/masteron definitely isn't a first time cycle either.
 
Are you taking any supps? What ate they and how much?

Do you have a good coach? Maybe discuss with him your concerns before taking such a leap to aas....
Just food for thought ......
 
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we cannot give you steroid advice.
 
I am getting a few inches short to putting some of you in time out!


Let His body mature naturally before he messes it up.


RADAR
 
hit the training forum if you are looking for strength gains. if you are a football player, you should be doing plyo work if you aren't already. a lot of guys on this forum are running cycles to get their test levels to where yours are naturally. don't be an idiot.
 
I'm sure this isn't what you want to hear, but please hear me out. At 20 years old, you're a fool to mess with AAS. The rule of thumb is 21 yo, and I say 25 yo. Your natural test is at its peak right now. The only supplements I would take are creatine and BCAAs if I were you.

I recommend you change your training program. My guess is that you are overtraining. Cut down your weight trainging days to 3 days per week. Add one sprint (running) workout day. And add one day of speed and agility plyometrics. I have a great workout for football players. You will pack on the weight and gain good size. PM me if you're interested.

Good luck!

Your diet looks solid and
TrapzillaFB said:
I'm looking to start my first cycle here soon, and am currently in the planning stage. Here is some background info:

Been seriously working out for about 5-6 years now.
Age:20, almost 21
Height:6'2"
Weight:227 as of yesterday
BF: 11%

Workouts: 5 Day Split, Chest, Back, Legs, Shoulders, and Arms
60 Minutes a day

Supplement History:
Creatine, Glutamine, Multi, CLA, Fish Oils, BCAAs like clockwork

Diet:

Breakfast:
15 Egg Whites, 5 Egg Yolks
1 Cup Oatmeal
1 Tbsp Natty PB

Meal 2:
12 oz Chicken Breast
3/4 cup oatmeal
High Protein Yogurt
1 Cup Green Beans/Broccoli

Meal 3:
Similar to meal 2, maybe a little lean turkey or tuna in the mix
35-40g whole grain carbs again
5-10 g healthy fats (almonds, PB, olive oil)

Pre-Workout:
Arginine
2.5 Scoops Whey
1 Medium Apple

Post-Workout:
2.5 Scoops Whey
120g Fast Carbs (Usually White Rice, sometimes Gatorade)

Meal 6:
Same as 2 &3

Meal 7: Lean Beef and Chicken
About 60g pro/12g fat

Meal 8:(Immediately before bed)
1 Cup Cottage Cheese
1 Tbsp Natty PB

About 400-450 g Protein, 350g Carbs, Decent Amount of Healthy Fats

Goals:

Football Player, Looking To Put On A Little Weight, Lean Out A Little, Looking For A Strength Increase Mainly

Ideas:
I know that Test is the base to any cycle, but I want to really stay away from estrogenic side effects, water retention, gyno, my ideas were either

Anavar/Tbol (50mg ED/50mg Tbol ED)
or
Anavar/Masteron (50mg Anavar ED/100mg Masteron Prop EOD)

PCT:
Nolvadex,HCG,Aromasin

Not sure on length, 6-8 Weeks?

Feedback is greatly appriciated
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Thanks for all the advice guys, got another question for you all.. My training partner and roommate, is about my size, maybe a little smaller, but leaner. Same age, virtually same diet (we keep each other accountable). Only difference is, he has 2 cycles of prohormones under his belt, one tren extreme, and one tren extreme/epistane. He was looking into a similar cycle to mine, would the fact that he has done ph's have any influence on his choice to do aas or not?
 
i know the best aas for you. it's called squats, deadlifts, barbell bench and some power clings. stress on the body thru those movements will having secreting hormone/testosterone from your anal glands. Your body receives a signal from your brain, "What the He** is happening here. I think I should do something that will help me survive this situation now and the next time it may happen!" Your body answers itself by releasing hormones. You ever heard the saying, "If you want bigger arms then do squats!" You and your friend need serious compound movements incorporated into your wo's and protein and rest. Thro in some creatine and your g2g.
 
KenBraggofCarroltonGA said:
i know the best aas for you. it's called squats, deadlifts, barbell bench and some power clings. stress on the body thru those movements will having secreting hormone/testosterone from your anal glands. Your body receives a signal from your brain, "What the He** is happening here. I think I should do something that will help me survive this situation now and the next time it may happen!" Your body answers itself by releasing hormones. You ever heard the saying, "If you want bigger arms then do squats!" You and your friend need serious compound movements incorporated into your wo's and protein and rest. Thro in some creatine and your g2g.
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Ya trust me, i started to really grow when i threw in more deadlifts, squats, and i completely left out my favorite lift.. Power Cleans. Do them at least once a week, with heavy weight (at least for me.. 350-400 lbs)
I do all the exercises you mentioned and get plenty of rest.. I will stay away from aas for a few years.. Really put to use my natural hormones, thanks for the help everybody.
 
now that's a smart bro. you won't regret it. I wish other younger guys could take you for example. besides the(we called power clings) at 350-400lbs. now that's just ridiculous. alotta guys in hear are gonna be jealous. if thier not, thier lyin. Good Luck.
 
KenBraggofCarroltonGA said:
i know the best aas for you. it's called squats, deadlifts, barbell bench and some power clings. stress on the body thru those movements will having secreting hormone/testosterone from your anal glands. Your body receives a signal from your brain, "What the He** is happening here. I think I should do something that will help me survive this situation now and the next time it may happen!" Your body answers itself by releasing hormones. You ever heard the saying, "If you want bigger arms then do squats!" You and your friend need serious compound movements incorporated into your wo's and protein and rest. Thro in some creatine and your g2g.
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Best advice all day! :)
 
Alright guys, its been almost a year. Diet is virtually the same with increases in good carbs and some protein for more calories. Doing plyos twice a week, cardio 3x a week, and 4 days of heavy lifting. Bodyweight is around 236, 10% bf, hit a major plateau. Turned 21 a while ago. Any opinions on if I'm ready?

Maybe
75mg ED of Prop 1-10
50mg ED tren ace 1-6
12.5 mg Aromasin EOD during cycle
25mg ED Aromasin PCT
Nolva 20mg/day weeks 11-17
500iu/day HCG 11-13
1000iu/day Vitamin E 11-13

Night sweats, anger, and insomnia don't worry me, neither do ED injects, I have an incredible pain tolerance. I'm looking for strength, lean muscle, and hardness. Any thoughts? Again i'm here to learn, and will soak up any and all info i can get
 
I dont have the experience to give an opinion on the aas, but you're doing something right! Awesome progress, good job on having the patience to hold off. You seem to have your shit together though.
 
Thanks. I've always been like that. I'm currently in school with 2 majors and 2 minors, and I'm pre-med on top of that, so I've got my hands full, but I know the importance of health in the long run, and making choices I won't regret later.

Also I'm sure i'll get criticized for including the tren ace in there, I feel jumpy to do something since my eligibility will be up soon, and I have a shot at going to the big show. But again, I'll make the smart decision
 
you still playing football? Tren don't help at all with cardio your original planned cycles were more like it
 
also just start a new thread ppl are gonna read the date on this and just click back since it's so old
 
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