Can I Say Something? Again?

[RickO'Shea]

by the horn? with your ass?


Just kidding but what is with the off the wall random comment?

Sorry man, I'm random Rick O'Shea? Richochet...get it I have just got really bad ADHD, and had no Idea what they were talking about cause I'm not smart but wanted to be involved sorry everyone...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sorry man, I'm random Rick O'Shea? Richochet...get it I have just got really bad ADHD, and had no Idea what they were talking about cause I'm not smart but wanted to be involved sorry everyone...

 

[the_alcatraz]

I've been saying this for years and I know I'll be saying it for years to come. But maybe A gentle reminder every now and then will help.

Fast acting ester DO NOT grow muscle faster than long acting esters.

That's like saying that eating faster will make you run faster.

It just doesn't work that way.

lol

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'd say that adding an oral like Beastdrol will show results faster, but after 8 weeks, the end result will be the same. I think Primo doesn't show results for a while because the gains are so clean.

I still have to try Deiselbolan.

orals always show results much faster than injectables. It's probably because of the water retention mostly.

 

[Nelson Montana]

orals always show results much faster than injectables. It's probably because of the water retention mostly.

Yep, and increase in blood volume-- both elements in muscle growth, but ultimately with long cycles not much of a factor in the long term. Injectables are building muscle right from the start too, but that increase in weight makes the orals seems like they're working faster, whereas actual muscle growth takes some time to notice. That doesn't mean they haven't "kicked in."

 

[ready2rumble]

all good points...but the real question is, can i drink winny?

 

[Nelson Montana]

all good points...but the real question is, can i drink winny?

No.

 

[2DIEZEL]

Yull grow muscles faster off 4weeks of prop and suspenstion then you would off of 4 weeks of deca and test....So technically fast acting esters do grow muscle faster........Unless im missing something here?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yull grow muscles faster off 4weeks of prop and suspenstion then you would off of 4 weeks of deca and test....So technically fast acting esters do grow muscle faster........Unless im missing something here?

Well, this is the debate. I say it isn't the fact that the ester is fast, but the strength is more. That hard hit creates water retention which gives the impression that muscle has developed. But it's only the beginning stages and those changes can be seen with long esters after 10 days or so anyway.

 

[UA_Iron]

You'll hit peak blood concentrations faster with a short acting ester...unless of course you front-load the long ester. Faster high blood level concentrations will result in faster gains, but at the end of the day the difference will be minimal.

10 week cycles with long esters are too short imo.