Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below My Dr. keeps telling me my very low testosterone level of 320ng/dl is normal (I am only 20 years old). He wont belive me that it is LOW so I need to show him some proof, like a chart of testosterone levels by age group. I'd like to get a few of them, especially if its from a well respected lab or organization etc... so he doesnt think it's bs. I found a couple but need a few more to slap in his face, if anyone has one saved or a link to one, I'd really appreciate it. thanks
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lartinos
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Unlikely the guy is ever gonna just hand you a bottle of test bro. My advice would be to find another Doctor. I explain all the symtoms of lack of sex drive and tiredness. Most Docs in the US would atleast give you a patch, not sure for the canucks though.
Thats the thing i DONT want HRT (trt) thats the LAST thing I would want. I want him to treat me with hcg or something to bring my natural test back up to a healthy level, right now im at an 80 year old man's level. As far as finding another doctor, this is the endocrinologist my family doctor reffered so I think its a take him or nothing kind of thing. But if i can find some more charts showing healthy test levels by age groups so I can show him he might change his mind. (plus this way my insurance would cover the meds, unlike if i were to buy from some guy). The lab that did my test says between 73ng/dl and 520ng/dl is normal, theres no age group just general range.
theperfectdrug187
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Honestly bud... even though I understand your frustration... I doubt a licensed endocrinologist who has been to school for half his life would really give a shit what a 20 year old kid finds. Even if you did show him a chart of some sort, he's not going to change his mind. Sorry bro... self medicate 
What made you go to the doctor in the first place?
Another question...how is ur growth?
What else did the test say? Was it a full panel test or just a total testosterone test and that's it?
How are your nuts...did they shrink lately or about the same?
My advice is for you to do another test after you rest for a few days and eat well. If it's low then you have a pattern developing
Just because you have a test done and it's low it doesn;t mean much at 20!
pip88
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He is saying for any male that is in this range is noraml. So whether you are 15 or 50 if your in this range you are considered normal. The problem is there is no age range so a 20 year test lelvels are going to be different from a 50 year olds. And that what he wants to prove. He needs a chart of the average test levels of men at his age.
http://www.sunridgemedical.com/images/testosteronegraph.jpg
this might help
won't matter to him if you show him "proof" the reality of it is you are just like a guy asking for pain pills, the system is set up to not give it to you..
go to a different doc, a life extent ion or endo specialist, they will be more than willing to help you out..
plus, your insurance may not cover you.. after all, it's them that determine your level of health care.. not doctors..
All true. You aren't clinically low -- just on the low side. And there is no treatment to raise testosterone. HCG will only elevate it for about a week. You'd be best off using UNLEASHED and Sustain daily.
I understand that but I want to find out why I am this low. My brother who is a year younger and my cousin who's the same age,same height ,weight eat the same food'exercise the same way and took steroids before too had his levels checked last year and both were above 800 so I want to find out what is causing my hpta to think 300 is enough , is it sending enough lh but they are being intercepted by aromstise or its stick in a negative feedback loop. I think at 15,16 years old when there is so much going on introducing exogenous Test might have caused some kind of imbalance that never recoverd from. And its not just because I saw the number 300 and thought oh I have to bring this to what is considerd normal. I haven't been feeling well for a while but I just looked the other way and said ahh it'll probably go away but when I did some research on the symptoms I had been having low libido,depressed mood, really low energy, headaches for no reason, a big loss of strength , just to name a few. So I told my doc and he orfred some blood work and when I saw my levels at 300 I looked it up and found that all my symptoms perfectly matched low test symptoms so now I'm trying to find out what qent wrong to cause this, because when I compare how I felt , overall mood and energy etc. Of before I took test there's a huge difference not just by mr but friends and family telling me the same thing. Anyways sorry to go on so long but that's the story. Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it
Lots of things can cause low T -- stress, trauma, insomnia...or, it's just genetics. No two people are alike.
Use the supps. Increase fat intake. Sleep more. Have it checked in another 6 months. If it's still around 300, you may want to go on HRT, but it will be self administered.
Use the supps. Increase fat intake. Sleep more. Have it checked in another 6 months. If it's still around 300, you may want to go on HRT, but it will be self administered.
redsamurai
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How's your sleep bro? If you've got fucked up sleeping hours or you're just not getting enough sleep, that's your problem right there. Deep stage 4 sleep is when we make our GH and test.
I have a suggestion that is a personal one and will probably make some guys here roll their eyes. But I recently got into fasting. Contrary to what you would expect, I felt like my hormones were on overdrive during the fast. Apparently when you fast, your body recognizes the caloric deficit and releases GH like a mother. GH is the master regulator hormone, makes you sleep better and all that......hence the better sleep= more natural test. There's alot more benefits to fasting than just getting your test back up. Google fasting and do your own research. Straight water fasts are pretty rough, I would recommend breaking in with a juice fast if you're going to try it. In any case, it's not a bad thing to do regardless even if it doesn't bring your test back up.
I have a suggestion that is a personal one and will probably make some guys here roll their eyes. But I recently got into fasting. Contrary to what you would expect, I felt like my hormones were on overdrive during the fast. Apparently when you fast, your body recognizes the caloric deficit and releases GH like a mother. GH is the master regulator hormone, makes you sleep better and all that......hence the better sleep= more natural test. There's alot more benefits to fasting than just getting your test back up. Google fasting and do your own research. Straight water fasts are pretty rough, I would recommend breaking in with a juice fast if you're going to try it. In any case, it's not a bad thing to do regardless even if it doesn't bring your test back up.
supplements are ok, but the increase is only temporary. What i'd like to find out is why naturally i am making the same amount of test as an 80 year old? Does this make sense: If i have high levels of estrogen and my hpta is trying to make more test to balance it out, but the test keeps getting turned into estrogen (aromatised)? And is it the shbg that controls the aromatising level?
YOu now geting too technical man, have another test done that covers all the basis including estrogen, LH etc and look at all the numbers as a group. Is 300 low for you? Hell yea but instead of guessing just get tested throughly. It could be anything at this point that will cause your condition!
That's why I asked you how is your growth as well...did you grow normally or are smaller and shorter than others your age?
That's why I asked you how is your growth as well...did you grow normally or are smaller and shorter than others your age?
I finally convinced the doc to run some more tests so I just got some blood work for free test, am pm cortisol, tsh, thyroid, fsh, lh, acty, sgot, prolactin. So I'll see if those tests show anything. Btw I'm 6 feet, 165lbs (I was 192 about a year ago). My growth is normal i guess. Only thing is I dont know if this makes sense but i feel like my bones are weaker, like if i punch somehting my fingers are more sensitive and weaker, but im not sure if test has anything to do with bone strength.
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Now you talking man, those tests will most likely shed some light on your condition.
Question: Did you try to lose the weight from 192 to 165?
As for the bones being weaker, not sure but testosterone does help with protein synthesis and if it's decreased then you will feel weaker.
Not sure if you mentioned it but did you ever do any AAS either orals, PH's or injectible?
abomb555
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........HRT bro what would make you tink u have another option? 16yo and screwing with your hormones? yes this is where you went wrong my friend
Wait for the new test results and go from there.
It could be very possible that you have an overload of aromatase floating around and this is resulting in test getting converted to estrogen at a higher rate. Consequently your body lowers the test output to achieve balance.
If the results come back and the doctor still fails to do anything about it then you can take matters into your own hand. You can try a four week "cycle" of aromasin at 10-20 mgs/day, this will boost your test levels without going on HRT, and it is supposed to have no estrogen rebound effect upon coming off.
It could be very possible that you have an overload of aromatase floating around and this is resulting in test getting converted to estrogen at a higher rate. Consequently your body lowers the test output to achieve balance.
If the results come back and the doctor still fails to do anything about it then you can take matters into your own hand. You can try a four week "cycle" of aromasin at 10-20 mgs/day, this will boost your test levels without going on HRT, and it is supposed to have no estrogen rebound effect upon coming off.
Ah...unfortunately you could be right my friend!
I had a feeling that's what happened that's why I asked the question...In that case it will show up in that test. Im not going to try to speculate so when you get the test back just post it up or PM me. I've been through this before and I can tell you from the tests what is going on. It would be sad if you fried your pituitary gland too young for that shit.
WHat compounds did you take?
Oh man, that was a lot of time you were on ...It may help to do a strong PCT but wait for the results first
I went to the endocrinologist today, and he says everything is "normal" its all in my head. the tests came back he didnt give me a copy of the results but i remember him saying my free test was just a bit above the lowest in the range. So my total is barely over low 300ng/dl and my free test is barely over the lowest in the range. And after talking to him about treatments he said im not going to put you on hrt, i said good i dont want it, and he says there is ABSOLUTELY no way to increase natural test permanently (long term), herbs,supplements,hcg all that will stimulate lh production while your "on" it but once you come off you will be worst then you started off with so he says my hpta is stuck in a negative feedback loop and only time will fix it... Looks like im on my own then, is there really NOTHING to raise natural test permanently (long term) and not jsut while your ON it? i appreciate the help.
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YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!
Dude, I said this on page one. Stop asking the same questions expecting to get the answer you want. I suspect this is how you got ito this mess in the first place. Supps may only raise T temporarily, but Vitamin C only prevents scurvy temporarily. NOTHING is permanent. You can;t just take a pill and cure a deficiency forever. DEAL WITH IT.
As for your doctor, I would suspect the credentials of any doctor who says "It' all in your head." You can get HRT if you want. If you don't, then stop complaining and accept your choice.
ok so my test levels will never get out of the negative feedback loop and return to what i was before i took those cycles? Im not trying to get the answer i want, im asking if theres some sort of way to help bring my natural test levels to where they used to be and stay there.
Dude, that is EXACTLY asking the same question expecting the answer you want. You don;t want to use the supps and you don;t want to go on HRT. So what the fuck bro?
Im sorry if my questions came across repetive or annoying but Im really trying to fix this problem of mine, its getting pretty bad. My doctor just blew me off, and the only hope i have is to try and learn something on here. What im trying to understand is people who have NATURALLY normal/high (800-1200ng/dl) test levels but use exogenous test which brings their natural production WAY down to 300ng/dl and even couple years later they never fully recover to be back at 800-1200ng/dl where they were before touching steroids. I understand supps can short term increase test, but what good is that... or hrt which you will probabaly have to rely on for life. Im trying to figure out whats causing the hpta to think 300ng/dl is enough? thanks
Again im just trying to learn so my bad if im get annoying.
