When punishing kids --- go wrong

[musclemom]

Kids friends lived 30 minutes away , he had no social life playing and chatting with his friends online was his social life.
Kid is a honor student . Dad should not tell his kid to leave the house and run away . He should have simpy said you get a limited time to play the games. Not pack the kids bags and tell him goodbye.

Maybe what I said comes off as defending the father's actions ... I am and I'm not. I think what I'm saying is that, the short answer is children are not born with a user's manual. For the most part, as a parent, you generally try to do the right thing. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, yes, there are cruel/abusive/ignorant people out there, but for the most part, we're all just trying to do our best and the fact of human life is nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes, we wouldn't be here if we were perfect.

Now, would I as a parent tell my son to get out, help him pack? Honestly, no. To me, it's too harsh. Unless you're talking about a situation where lives and property are in severe danger, I consider that statement a dealbreaker and if that's the case then and you fear injury from your child, then you need to call authorities in and have the little bugger coded.

The father made a dumb mistake and he'll be kicking his ass forever over it, but I don't think when he did it he was expecting this outcome.

Believe me, there are 100s of regrets you look back on as a parent. Luckily I have none that involved my picking out a casket, but there are plenty of parents who have done dumb shit and their kid ended up dead. It's not malice, it's just a dumb fucking momentary lapse of judgment. And seriously, if you look at the causes of death for people who don't die from old age, death by misadventure in the home is like the top five. Hindsight is 20/20, but lots of people die every day for very, very stupid reasons.

 

[EnderJE]

Tell you what, Razor, you have kids, let them hit puberty, then talk.

One of the biggest things you learn as a parent is that, after a certain age, it's about the choices your kid makes. Father says put away the XBox, kid says no, shit goes downhill from there. Who fucked up, the kid for disobeying the father or the father for saying "My house, my rules, follow them or you're welcome to leave." Some kids develop an unhealthy attachment to those disgusting video games to the point they let everything go to hell in a handcart, they have no social life, they stay up all night long playing them and school drops into the toilet. What the hell is a parent to do? Go "that's nice son, you go kill those bad guys, I guess a D- in English Lit. is the price we pay."

As a parent, when your under aged kid threatens to run away, you expect their asses to head to a friend's house, lay low for a few hours, then come skulking home with their tail between their legs around 10:00 p.m. and apologize and accept their punishment, not call some fucking stranger they hooked up with on the internet.

And as a parent you have the responsibility to enforce the rules of your home. While what happened is awful, I still can't fault the father, I'm just sorry he waited so long to enforce house rules and the results were so disastrous.

IMHO, video games are foul, nasty things and should not be in a household with children, period. Like cigarettes, they should have a warning label and nobody under 18 should be able to play/buy them.

I'm sorry you feel that way. In response and to balance the universe, I'll take the same position about those crazy Wiccans.

 

[musclemom]

I'm sorry you feel that way. In response and to balance the universe, I'll take the same position about those crazy Wiccans.

I'm sorry, but something as useless and mind numbing as video games (or t.v., all that mental junk food) are not a "natural part of the order of things." Wasting your life, time, energy, mental processes on video games has nothing to do with cosmic balance. It's a waste of your life energy, a waste of your money, a waste of your resources, a devourer of your time. Like any other junk food, used occasionally in moderation it can be a pleasant distraction. But when you're spending more than an hour a day playing video games you're probably verging on having a problem. And when you're spending more than three hours a day at them, every day, you're just another addict.

But if you insist on justifying it, then look at it this way, tobacco is a natural part of the cycle of things, and used in its natural state it is an entirely different product versus manufactured cigarettes, which I think are vile, nasty things, and highly toxic.

The coca plant in it's natural state is a mild stimulant, and totally non addictive. Cocaine, however, is not. I could go on and on and on. You have to use a little common sense when it comes to realizing what sways the scales of universal balance. Pissing your life away in front of a television living out an artificial fantasy is no better than shooting heroine into your veins and pissing your life away that way. It's a lazy way to waste time. Go do something productive, read a book, take a walk, develop face to face relationships, meditate, go to church, whatever, but do something frigging REAL.

 

[WhistleBritchesIII]

I was disciplined at times

talking is the best way

when a parent EXPLAINS why something is wrong and then backs it up its ok

it not ok to use force with out explanation and a degree of firm compassion

 

[puddlemonkey]

It's easier just to beat them. You know the old saying, "talk is cheap".

 

[WhistleBritchesIII]

orly?

 

[jaybois]

Tell you what, Razor, you have kids, let them hit puberty, then talk.

One of the biggest things you learn as a parent is that, after a certain age, it's about the choices your kid makes. Father says put away the XBox, kid says no, shit goes downhill from there. Who fucked up, the kid for disobeying the father or the father for saying "My house, my rules, follow them or you're welcome to leave." Some kids develop an unhealthy attachment to those disgusting video games to the point they let everything go to hell in a handcart, they have no social life, they stay up all night long playing them and school drops into the toilet. What the hell is a parent to do? Go "that's nice son, you go kill those bad guys, I guess a D- in English Lit. is the price we pay."

As a parent, when your under aged kid threatens to run away, you expect their asses to head to a friend's house, lay low for a few hours, then come skulking home with their tail between their legs around 10:00 p.m. and apologize and accept their punishment, not call some fucking stranger they hooked up with on the internet.

And as a parent you have the responsibility to enforce the rules of your home. While what happened is awful, I still can't fault the father, I'm just sorry he waited so long to enforce house rules and the results were so disastrous.

IMHO, video games are foul, nasty things and should not be in a household with children, period. Like cigarettes, they should have a warning label and nobody under 18 should be able to play/buy them.

I took them video games from my kid, when he started shiting his pants instead of going bathroom.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I'm sorry, but something as useless and mind numbing as video games (or t.v., all that mental junk food) are not a "natural part of the order of things." Wasting your life, time, energy, mental processes on video games has nothing to do with cosmic balance. It's a waste of your life energy, a waste of your money, a waste of your resources, a devourer of your time. Like any other junk food, used occasionally in moderation it can be a pleasant distraction. But when you're spending more than an hour a day playing video games you're probably verging on having a problem. And when you're spending more than three hours a day at them, every day, you're just another addict.

But if you insist on justifying it, then look at it this way, tobacco is a natural part of the cycle of things, and used in its natural state it is an entirely different product versus manufactured cigarettes, which I think are vile, nasty things, and highly toxic.

The coca plant in it's natural state is a mild stimulant, and totally non addictive. Cocaine, however, is not. I could go on and on and on. You have to use a little common sense when it comes to realizing what sways the scales of universal balance. Pissing your life away in front of a television living out an artificial fantasy is no better than shooting heroine into your veins and pissing your life away that way. It's a lazy way to waste time. Go do something productive, read a book, take a walk, develop face to face relationships, meditate, go to church, whatever, but do something frigging REAL.

The Japanese are some of the most diligent, hard working and intelligent people on earth. Videogames are embedded in their culture. Hmmmm. Maybe they know something we don't yet.

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Brandon Crisp died of chest trauma
Police say injuries consistent with fall from tree
Posted By Raymond Bowe
Updated 23 hours ago


Brandon Crisp died from severe chest trauma consistent with a fall from a tree, police said Saturday after releasing the autopsy results.

Even police were stunned by the news.

“It’s definitely a very tragic ending to this,” Barrie police Sgt. Dave Goodbrand told The Examiner, Saturday afternoon. “It’s very tragic news.”

There are several trees near where Brandon’s body was found Wednesday, but police wouldn’t speculate yesterday on the circumstances prior to his death.

“The investigation is continuing to determine the last moments and hours leading to Brandon’s death,” police said in a release.

Time of death has not been determined.

“The OPP is still trying to piece together the timeline,” Goodbrand said. “It’s still too early to say why he was where he was and what he was doing.”

When Brandon died is a question that may never be answered, authorities said.

“We may never get that information,” Goodbrand said. “That’s definitely something they’re still trying to determine and is still being worked on.”

A post-mortem examination was conducted Friday by the chief coroner in Toronto. Dental records were used to positively identify the boy’s body.

Foul play is not suspected.

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The 15-year-old Barrie boy ran away from his Hickling Trail home on Oct. 13 following an argument with his parents, Steve and Angelika Crisp, over his Xbox gaming habits, and his growing obsession with the video game Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

The diminutive teenager, a Grade 10 student at St. Joseph’s High School in Barrie, was reported missing early the next morning when he did not return home.

A massive search effort was commenced on Oct. 19 in the Shanty Bay area, where two people had reported seeing the youngster on the Oro-Medonte Rail Trail. However, the 10-day ground search, which also included aerial and marine surveys, turned up no evidence as to the boy’s whereabouts.

Deer hunters located the body Wednesday morning in a densely wooded area between Line 4 and Line 5, north of Ridge Road, a few kilometres northeast of where Barrie police had set up a command post in Shanty Bay.

The OPP has taken over the investigation because the body was found in their jurisdiction. Investigators continue to examine the scene for more clues.

There had been media speculation that Brandon died from hypothermia, because he had left home on an unseasonably warm day with clothing considered unsuitable for the cold weather that lay ahead.

Police are still appealing for the public’s help in developing a timeline, including possible sightings of Brandon in the 4th Line area of Oro-Medonte Township, including Oct. 13 between 4 p.m. and 7 p.m.

Anyone with information can call Barrie OPP at 705-726-6484, Barrie city police at 705-725-7025, or anonymously through Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS.

A book of condolences has been set up at the MacLaren Art Centre in downtown Barrie.

Brandon’s funeral is scheduled for Friday.

The Barrie Examiner - Ontario, CA