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How long is too long?

How long of a cycle is too long?

  • Nothing more than 6 weeks. Short is better!

    Votes: 7 4.2%

  • 8-10 weeks is as long as you should go

    Votes: 20 12.1%

  • 11-14 weeks

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • 15-20 weeks

    Votes: 37 22.4%

  • 20+ weeks

    Votes: 52 31.5%

  • I never come off!

    Votes: 21 12.7%
  • Total voters
    165
because thats what the good bros on here told me .i was doing 6 week cycles and did not even know about pct ,and my next will be sust 250 decca 200 ..with a litttle sprinkle of white romanian dbol for 12 weeks ...if my nolva -letro for my lump and clomid, hcg and adex will get here...i feel like i have learned some good shit here!thanks bros!!!!
 
FIRE FIGHTER614 said:
because thats what the good bros on here told me .i was doing 6 week cycles and did not even know about pct ,and my next will be sust 250 decca 200 ..with a litttle sprinkle of white romanian dbol for 12 weeks ...if my nolva -letro for my lump and clomid, hcg and adex will get here...i feel like i have learned some good shit here!thanks bros!!!!
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What if I only want to do one cycle? What will happen once I come off?
 
My longest cycle was 10 months. That was way to long IMO. Took a long time to normalize my system.
I think you can reach the same peak in 4 months, with less damage to the body.
 
Length of cycle depends on several things like types of substances used, will there be only one substance used or more than one and also what will be the goals of the cycle.. Different esters and stacks will need different lengths. Different goals will make a big difference in lengths also. Also, there is the issue of how your body will react. So really there is no one set rule.
 
blackhatcowboy said:
Length of cycle depends on several things like types of substances used, will there be only one substance used or more than one and also what will be the goals of the cycle.. Different esters and stacks will need different lengths. Different goals will make a big difference in lengths also. Also, there is the issue of how your body will react. So really there is no one set rule.
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This is very true. But the sound advice of 8-12 week cycles in general for most people is always the safe rule of thumb.
 
There are too many variables to be able to put a number on this one. I feel it would be irresponsible of me vote because it might only send the wrong message to rookies to go longer & harder than they need to.
 
In my personal experience my gains "stops" after about 13-16 weeks. That's way I run my cycles for 12-15 weeks.
 
There is an increase in risk/ratio after 6 weeks. That's when (more or less) the body essentially "gives up" and suppression accelerates.

There is also a big drop off of diminishing returns after 12 weeks so if you go much longer than that. you might as well stay on. You'll be shut down anyway and just operating off of the exogenous testosterone. Even with PCT there's a good chanced you'll never be as high naturally as you once were if you do more than one or two cycles longer than 12 weeks, regardless of your age.
 
I stick with the standard 8 weeks then usually a 4 wk pct... then same time off -- gotta make sure my body can get back to its normal grounds...

gl
 
ive been on some 6 months now. I hope I can produce healthy sperm at some point and make some babies. That is the only thing that I worry about. Fuck the rest
 
the elite addict said:
ive been on some 6 months now. I hope I can produce healthy sperm at some point and make some babies. That is the only thing that I worry about. Fuck the rest
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ive been on over 2 yrs my hpta is prolly shot but im only 24 who knows i could recover i think
 
the elite addict & airsmith, Bros I know guys who have been on gear for a while & still managed to get some swimmers into the egg department. But I would sugest that you need to haul back from time to time to let your body stabilise & recover. There is plenty of good PCT options to use.
 
Hexagon said:
In my personal experience my gains "stops" after about 13-16 weeks. That's way I run my cycles for 12-15 weeks.
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i would like to know from others if gains really do stop in the middle of cycle
 
nzrodney said:
the elite addict & airsmith, Bros I know guys who have been on gear for a while & still managed to get some swimmers into the egg department. But I would sugest that you need to haul back from time to time to let your body stabilise & recover. There is plenty of good PCT options to use.
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i keep gaining im trying to become a freak im never coming off dont want kids ever so i dont have to worry about that....you come off you just go backwards
 
airsmith2k said:
i keep gaining im trying to become a freak im never coming off dont want kids ever so i dont have to worry about that....you come off you just go backwards
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I'm not going to argue with that Bro. I would be a hypocrit if I did, just be safe in whatever you do.
 
Nelson Montana said:
There is an increase in risk/ratio after 6 weeks. That's when (more or less) the body essentially "gives up" and suppression accelerates.

There is also a big drop off of diminishing returns after 12 weeks so if you go much longer than that. you might as well stay on. You'll be shut down anyway and just operating off of the exogenous testosterone. Even with PCT - post cycle therapy - there's a good chanced you'll never be as high naturally as you once were if you do more than one or two cycles longer than 12 weeks, regardless of your age.
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Mr. Montana,
In your book, Bodybuilding Bottomline, you advocate 3 week cycles and a week extra to taper off with only specific AAS, making sure to emphasize the fact that it is not a good idea to take anything other the human grade AAS. Can you elaborate a little more on those cycles you recommend please. The next cycle I do will be more than likely modeled after the examples in your book.
 
Style said:
Would there be much difference in shutdown between a 3 and 4 week cycle? ( I know both are short!)
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Both are too short of a cycle why would you only want to run a cycle of any sort for this short of a period unless it was oral only.
 
first cycle less then 8 weeks.. why,, you have to learn how body will react to the gear. I have ran test only at low doses for a year. but I like 12 weeks. good effects and short enough to keep sides in check.
 
Anything over 10 weeks is too long in my opinion.
 
gjohnson5 said:
people have always on cycles.
You just have to manage the side effects like that dude with the 300 cholesterol
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Always on cycles is one thing. The funny thing is when a dude really thinks there is such a thing as "bridging"

You're either ON or OFF
 
the_alcatraz said:
Always on cycles is one thing. The funny thing is when a dude really thinks there is such a thing as "bridging"

You're either ON or OFF
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Blood results are significantly different at 125mg a week, compared to 500mg, compared to 1000mg. There is probably some health benefit (if you do stay on) to lower your dose for equal periods of time. I'm trying to learn more as we speak for personal interest.
 
Burpees said:
Blood results are significantly different at 125mg a week, compared to 500mg, compared to 1000mg. There is probably some health benefit (if you do stay on) to lower your dose for equal periods of time. I'm trying to learn more as we speak for personal interest.
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Dude, even if you're on less than 100mg of test ew, you're still ON.
 
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blackhatcowboy said:
Length of cycle depends on several things like types of substances used, will there be only one substance used or more than one and also what will be the goals of the cycle.. Different esters and stacks will need different lengths. Different goals will make a big difference in lengths also. Also, there is the issue of how your body will react. So really there is no one set rule.
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emilio_rebenga said:
i just want to know who voted for less than 6 weeks..and why?
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only time I can think of when peopleZ cycle for less than 6 weeks is if they decide to have an oral only cycle....other than that, 6 weeks is too short
 
the_alcatraz said:
only time I can think of when peopleZ cycle for less than 6 weeks is if they decide to have an oral only cycle....other than that, 6 weeks is too short
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+1.

Six weeks is like blue balls. So frustrating, just....need...to...finish....
 
emilio_rebenga said:
i just want to know who voted for less than 6 weeks..and why?
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You might want to ask Wulfgar that question. On one of his threads, he wrote:
Wulfgar said:
I am still piecing together my mass phase

basically it will consist of running about 4 weeks of anabolic steroids(utilizing heavy Androgenic compounds first and tapering to higher anabolic compounds), 4 weeks of non-anabolic steroids type anabolic agents(gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , T-3, creatine, etc...) and 4 weeks of cortisol/estrogen control all layered in to about 6-8 weeks and Ill repeat the process a few times until I feel ive gained sufficient mass
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the_alcatraz said:
Re-read his post bro. I don't think it says his cycle is 6 weeks.
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I didn't say six, the question was who would vote for a cylce less than 6 weeks so my reply was, ask Wulfgar. The steroid portion of his complete cycle is only 4 weeks. According to what I quoted above, he will be running a 4 week cycle of juice then 4 week cycle of non-juice stuff (gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , T3, Creatine and what ever else it is that he deems fit during that cycle), and finally 4 weeks of cortisol/estrogen control. Nowhere in the post does it say that these smaller fractions will be run concurrently so according to my math, that means 4 weeks on the juice , 8 weeks off the juice, and repeat as nessecary and as long the doc says it's cool (he alluded to that in a later post within that thread, that he would continue that protocol as long as the doc say his numbers are on point) or his goal is achieved, which ever comes first right?
 
If you are still gaining, doesn't it make sense to continue?
To compensate for longer cycle, you can give more time off till you start next cycle.
 
i been on 500mg test ew for around 3 years i do cycles of other things but those i fallow the 8-12 week but always on test i was 140lbs 3 years ago now lean 185lbs have been up to 205lbs when bulking doc knows and said at that dose of test i should be fine till im 50 years old then maybe have some problems im 29 years old now do you think pro westlers come off i was watching a movie on the ultamete worier and one guy was on for 7 years also have you seen bigger,faster,stronger?
 
My Longest where always 12 weeks, 3rd one just started. Never had problems to recover. Off period is always 16 weeks minimum.
The more I grow the greater the libido even when I am off.
I do not agree with never off, for sure. Does any one start drinking alcohol daily with no breaks, and does not have liver and kidney issues? So depends on your goals why stay on for a long time!!!
 
I agree it depends on how big you want to be.

At some point you are going to pass your natural genetic limit on cycle after cycle. I think Nelson Montana said he believed you could keep 10% over your natural limit while off, but not much more.

That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

From what I have read and heard if you want to be YOKED and/or UBER strong you pretty much have to stay on year round.

You aren't gonna be a 250+ bodybuilder(in proportion to height) in fairly lean to real lean condition doing off and on cycles for the most part. Consider a guy that wants to be 235-245lbs and have 10% bodyfat at 5'8"-5'11".

That's fucking yoked by most peoples standards and that's also alot bigger muscular-wise than you typically see even genetically gifted natural guys at that height and bf%.

I just can't see getting really big AND being lean without pretty much being on most of the time instead of yo-yo'ing unless you have superman genetics.

This is just my guess and from what I have heard.

For a guy that just wants to be muscularly above average I wouldn't see the point of staying on for extended periods.
 
I have heard of guys being mostly on for 20+ years with no real side effects other than nut skrinkage.

I have heard of guys being on for years and then using hcg and other shit to make a baby while on too.

I guess it all depends on how healthy you are, how well you eat and train and how you treat your roid use.
 
I am on test for life for HRT, so does that count? Or only when I add other goodies?
 
nzrodney said:
the elite addict & airsmith, Bros I know guys who have been on gear for a while & still managed to get some swimmers into the egg department. But I would sugest that you need to haul back from time to time to let your body stabilise & recover. There is plenty of good PCT options to use.
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My wife got pregnant with my (now) 4 year old Princess while I was on a cycle that included a gram of test per week, so it definitely possible... :)

Maybe not the easiest way to conceive, but certainly still possible.
 
airsmith2k said:
ive been on over 2 yrs my hpta is prolly shot but im only 24 who knows i could recover i think
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Damn dude... Hopefully you consult some of the expert of this board about how to HOPEFULLY get your body's natural system restored.

24 is awful young to shut your system down for life...

I don't mean to harp though, I think we all thought we were invincible at that age... :)
 
I was just on for almost 5 months. My bloodwork looks solid. Then again I don't use high doses, make sure to use HCG and do a proper pct.
 
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