Finishing touches on low test high tren questions

[nirvanabro]

week 1-8: Test P 140mg ew / 20mg ed
week 1-8: Tren A 350mg ew / 50mg ed
week 1-8: Caber .25mg 2x a week continue through PCT? how far?
week 1-8: T3 25mcgs ed
week 1-8: aromasin 5mg 2x a week should be enough? i need my estrogen low
week 1-8: HCG 250iu 2x a week

3 days after last injection PCT begins

Clomid: 50/50/50/50
Torem(has caused severe dizziness previously, but will try again if it fails can i add nolva or up clomid dose?): 120/90/60/60
Aromasin: Approximately how to run this in PCT? i used to just wing it but bloodwork has shown the high normal range post pct
Some Nolva is on hand

Misc:
Azelaic Acid & Nizoral ed for hair loss
Hawthorne berry 1g ed for blood pressure

Goals: Bulk while taking advantage of Tren's fat burning properties

overall am i good to go? thank you​

 

[C0LUMB0]

week 1-8: Test P 140mg ew / 20mg ed
week 1-8: Tren A 350mg ew / 50mg ed
week 1-8: Caber .25mg 2x a week continue through PCT? how far?
week 1-8: T3 25mcgs ed
week 1-8: aromasin 5mg 2x a week should be enough? i need my estrogen low
week 1-8: HCG 250iu 2x a week

3 days after last injection PCT begins

Clomid: 50/50/50/50
Torem(has caused severe dizziness previously, but will try again if it fails can i add nolva or up clomid dose?): 120/90/60/60
Aromasin: Approximately how to run this in PCT? i used to just wing it but bloodwork has shown the high normal range post pct
Some Nolva is on hand

Misc:
Azelaic Acid & Nizoral ed for hair loss
Hawthorne berry 1g ed for blood pressure

Goals: Bulk while taking advantage of Tren's fat burning properties

overall am i good to go? thank you​

no need to do those injects ED my friend - unless you have a needle fetish ?

100mg EOD will do nicely for the tren and i would bump the test to that also.

your aromasin dosing is wrong and should be 12.5mg twice a week

dont use nolvdex during pct

i would run the caber till the end of pct then get bloods done.

n2guard is a million times better than hawthorne on its own...if you are going to spend a few hundred $$$ on juice please spend a little bit more - your liver ,heart and other body functions will thank you

 

[nirvanabro]

no need to do those injects ED my friend - unless you have a needle fetish ?

100mg EOD will do nicely for the tren and i would bump the test to that also.

your aromasin dosing is wrong and should be 12.5mg twice a week

dont use nolvdex during pct

i would run the caber till the end of pct then get bloods done.

n2guard is a million times better than hawthorne on its own...if you are going to spend a few hundred $$$ on juice please spend a little bit more - your liver ,heart and other body functions will thank you

Pinning ED creates more stable levels, leading to less sides I thought?

Aromasin destroys my estrogen even just a little bit goes a long way I'll hit 12.5mg 2x week I was just trying to save money but I guess it's best I have extra on hand anyway

I'm using prami now instead of caber mainly for the gh release, but caber is still on hand

N2Guard looks great but I'll probably just add some NAC, continue using OptiMen, and stay hydrated. I was under the impression tren didn't damage lipids that much? aside from an elevated white cell blood count

i'll start this cycle in roughly 2 months, will have money saved for any possible add-ons by then

Thank you C0LUMB0

 

[Arabian]

Pinning ED creates more stable levels, leading to less sides I thought?

Aromasin destroys my estrogen even just a little bit goes a long way I'll hit 12.5mg 2x week I was just trying to save money but I guess it's best I have extra on hand anyway

I'm using prami now instead of caber mainly for the gh release, but caber is still on hand

N2Guard looks great but I'll probably just add some NAC, continue using OptiMen, and stay hydrated. I was under the impression tren didn't damage lipids that much? aside from an elevated white cell blood count

i'll start this cycle in roughly 2 months, will have money saved for any possible add-ons by then

Thank you C0LUMB0

Columbo is right, do your'e injections EOD. I have personally done it both ways and I can honestly tell you, I could not tell a difference. In my experience with Tren, I had the worst sides when my BF was over 12% and I tried to run high doses of Test with it. The standard sides that you are going to experience will be severe night sweats until you drop your'e BF, insomnia and increased aggression.

 

[stevesmi]

the guys are right above.

also read some of the tren info I have put up about low blood sugar from tren. combatting it by upping your cals isn't necessarily the solution, its about spreading your cals out and not going long periods without food. and also at night when you get up to pee taking a glycogen pill or a tablespoon of honey to up your blood sugar will help keep insomnia away.

 

[nirvanabro]

@ Arabian
my body fat is around 10%.. i want to keep my test much lower than tren still.. i'm glad to hear about EOD being ok

the guys are right above.

also read some of the tren info I have put up about low blood sugar from tren. combatting it by upping your cals isn't necessarily the solution, its about spreading your cals out and not going long periods without food. and also at night when you get up to pee taking a glycogen pill or a tablespoon of honey to up your blood sugar will help keep insomnia away.

i've never heard this before on tren but i've experienced it on dbol

for glycogen pills are you saying L-Glutamine would help with this issue? I'd much rather take something other than sugar if anyone has a suggestion.. my diet is low in sugar maybe 30g or less..


thanks everyone!

 

[Mkingo]

L-glutamine is an amino acid. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein, peptides and other metabolically important compounds. Taking an amino acid like l-glutamine will not help you blood sugar as Steve is suggesting.

Glycogen is a multi branched polysaccharide of glucose, and it's the main way our bodies store readily accessible energy in our liver and muscles. What Steve is suggesting is that you need to have glycogen, honey, glucose or some form of metabolically readily accessible energy on hand to keep blood glucose levels stable while you are using tren. If you don't like glucose that's fine. Generally just eating regularly and keeping your blood sugar stable will suffice.

There will however be times when your blood sugar drops and you need a high GI carb source to get your levels right. Low blood sugar levels while using tren are strongly correlated with some of the reported side effects, including insomnia and anxiety.

Remember, sugar/glucose is a carb, so any high GI carb should do the trick. It would be wise to keep something on hand for this purpose, and sugar or glycogen is the most effective, although if you eat regularly and properly, the need to use this quick fix can be avoided.

 

[nirvanabro]

dropping t3 .. don't trust research chemicals dosing all that much


i came across some information i read awhile back which stated tren has the ability to stop carbs from being stored as fat.. to my knowledge this process rarely happens anyway but for the absolute best look and healthiest insides i make an effort to eat clean

question: if i eat Skittles everyday (i think they're roughly 0g fat 30g sugar 0g protein) can i be assured it will do nothing to harm my results?

as always, much thanks

 

[Reps For Jesus]

dropping t3 .. don't trust research chemicals dosing all that much


i came across some information i read awhile back which stated tren has the ability to stop carbs from being stored as fat.. to my knowledge this process rarely happens anyway but for the absolute best look and healthiest insides i make an effort to eat clean

question: if i eat Skittles everyday (i think they're roughly 0g fat 30g sugar 0g protein) can i be assured it will do nothing to harm my results?

as always, much thanks

Eat the Skittles post-workout. I'd eat 2 bags though

 

[C0LUMB0]

Try not to eat the yellow skittles , the lemony flavour has been known to slow down protein synthesis and in high doses can put you in a catablic state.

 

[dylangemelli]

skittles... seriously? come on man...

tren will effect much more than you think... i highly recommend running n2guard too bro... its pretty much a no brainer... in terms of the t3... wise decision... You should DEFINITELY ADD gw-501516 in its place... read as to why it goes so well with tren here... Combating the Cardiovascular Side Effects of Trenbolone with GW-501516 - Evolutionary.org... your running hcg far too long... you will learn the hard way... 4 weeks max on it... 1-4 hcgenerate es... 5-6 hcg 500 ius week and 7-8 1000 ius week... here is a complete pct for you...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
"liquidex" n2bm.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[bonacris]

Eat the Skittles post-workout. I'd eat 2 bags though

I usually have a lollipop after training. Skittles make my jaws hurt because I put too many in at once. I never learn

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[stevesmi]

dropping t3 .. don't trust research chemicals dosing all that much


i came across some information i read awhile back which stated tren has the ability to stop carbs from being stored as fat.. to my knowledge this process rarely happens anyway but for the absolute best look and healthiest insides i make an effort to eat clean

depeonds.

if you are insulin sensitive the opposite can happen.

what you are doing here is applaudable but its a bit excessive.. just run the shit and do the basics like you should on any cycle .. if you don't like it then stop it, if you do then finish it. run ace the first time

 

[stevesmi]

skittles is bad for your teeth cause it sticks.

they have these organic lollipops that I use while I train.. still bad for your teeth so make sure your brush unless you want cavities.

fruit is even better.. take a cooler with you and eat fruit after your workout

 

[nirvanabro]

skittles... seriously? come on man...

tren will effect much more than you think... i highly recommend running n2guard too bro... its pretty much a no brainer... in terms of the t3... wise decision... You should DEFINITELY ADD gw-501516 in its place... read as to why it goes so well with tren here... ... your running hcg far too long... you will learn the hard way... 4 weeks max on it... 1-4 hcgenerate es... 5-6 hcg 500 ius week and 7-8 1000 ius week... here is a complete pct for you...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
"liquidex" n2bm.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day



USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…

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I found this on GW so I just don't wanna take the risk, but it looks like a great addition "All clinical development of GW501516 was stopped when toxicities, including various cancers, were discovered following routine, long term animal studies. The long-term effects of GW501516 in humans are unknown."

It seems like everyone in this forum uses ostarine at 25mg a day. but other forums are indicating studies that show its suppression at doses higher than 3mg/day. I saw a post where you suggest a mini-PCT after 4 weeks. What are you thoughts on the suppression? it seems counter-productive for PCT, but the anti-catabolic properties are appealing..

If you don't mind explaining, what's wrong about my HCG dosing?


Thank you for everyone replies, very informative. I didn't actually plan on eating skittles

 

[RickRock13]

I found this on GW so I just don't wanna take the risk, but it looks like a great addition "All clinical development of GW501516 was stopped when toxicities, including various cancers, were discovered following routine, long term animal studies. The long-term effects of GW501516 in humans are unknown."

It seems like everyone in this forum uses ostarine at 25mg a day. but other forums are indicating studies that show its suppression at doses higher than 3mg/day. I saw a post where you suggest a mini-PCT after 4 weeks. What are you thoughts on the suppression? it seems counter-productive for PCT, but the anti-catabolic properties are appealing..

If you don't mind explaining, what's wrong about my HCG dosing?


Thank you for everyone replies, very informative. I didn't actually plan on eating skittles

The GW cancer thing has been gone over a thousand times on here. Basically that study proved nothing. Rats were given GW at a minimum of 5mg per kg of bodyweight, which is the equivelant of 450-500mg each day for a 200lb human. Also it was ran for a ridiculously long time. Since then studies have also shown that PPar modulators like GW cannot cause cancer in humans like they can rats.

 

[Jbranken]

I found this on GW so I just don't wanna take the risk, but it looks like a great addition "All clinical development of GW501516 was stopped when toxicities, including various cancers, were discovered following routine, long term animal studies. The long-term effects of GW501516 in humans are unknown."

It seems like everyone in this forum uses ostarine at 25mg a day. but other forums are indicating studies that show its suppression at doses higher than 3mg/day. I saw a post where you suggest a mini-PCT after 4 weeks. What are you thoughts on the suppression? it seems counter-productive for PCT, but the anti-catabolic properties are appealing..

If you don't mind explaining, what's wrong about my HCG dosing?


Thank you for everyone replies, very informative. I didn't actually plan on eating skittles

+1 to what Rick said about GW.

Ostarine suppression is person dependent. I ran s4 with ostarine which is supposedly much more suppressive so you would think both ran together would be extremely counterproductive post cycle. I ran some OTC T boosters along with them and after a few months of using the stack, my test serum came back at 994 and LH at 7.5 on an 8.6 scale. Run your supports and you'll do great

 

[meathead96]

skittles... seriously? come on man...

tren will effect much more than you think... i highly recommend running n2guard too bro... its pretty much a no brainer... in terms of the t3... wise decision... You should DEFINITELY ADD gw-501516 in its place... read as to why it goes so well with tren here... Combating the Cardiovascular Side Effects of Trenbolone with GW-501516 - Evolutionary.org... your running hcg far too long... you will learn the hard way... 4 weeks max on it... 1-4 hcgenerate es... 5-6 hcg 500 ius week and 7-8 1000 ius week... here is a complete pct for you...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
"liquidex" n2bm.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…

This is legit here, I think your test and tren dosing is good. You may want more than 5mg aromasin twice a week. I use 5mg a day on 175mg test per week. I can vouge for AG-Guys and Sarms1 quality.

 

[nirvanabro]

this is my first time trying tren and i'd like really like to see what it can do as far as fat loss etc and i don't know if i'll be able to distinguish between the effects of GW vs tren.

I read about GW causing problems in the intestines.. any thoughts on this? I read that Tribulus could stop the polyps from forming?

Anyone have positive experience with a 10mg gw cycle?

I'm going to get Osta for sure. I just was researching a little more do you think running it a week before pct would be beneficial so its already built up in the system?

 

[gymrat827]

GW is fine man....going to have zero sides compared to the tren.

the cancer thing is overrated. way way overrated. As long as you don't down a vial a day, you ll be fine.

osta is also really good, has its place in pct IMHO. keeps strength up and allows things to be reduced rather than the cycle ends your strength comes crashing down.

if budget allows id go for both. if not, GW will be your fatloss & endurance, osta providing strength....pick one that's most important. sarms one is the spot for them now. much much better quality