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TrueLiberal At the Shooting Range

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Hello all. I recently received my Massachusetts Firearm Safety Certificate and am now able to apply for my FTC A permit. I've been test shooting pistols and revolvers at a nearby gun shop. First I shot a Ruger Mark II .22 cal. and a Ruger .357 magnum revolver with a 3" barrel loaded with .38 special rounds. Two days later I bumped up the power and shot a Sig 1911 .45 cal and a Sig P22 .45 cal. I can easily handle the punch of the .45 cal. I was more accurate with the Sigs at 30 feet than even the Ruger .22 cal at 20 feet. At 20 feet with the Ruger .357 my shots were all over the place. I usually hit the target high and to the right, but most were in the scoring zone. I could hit a silhouette with the Sigs around the bullseye at 30 feet. With the P22 I could put a round in center mass, then quickly put a round in the head at 30 feet.

I really like the feel of the Sig P22. The magazine was a bitch to load though. I had to really muscle the 8 round in. I think I want the P22. Tomorrow I will compare the P22 with a Glock 22 .45 cal.

What are some other good pistols and revolvers for me to try? I like the .45 ACP round, but am willing to try other rounds. I want something with stopping power, so I'm shying away from the 9mms and .38 specials. Thanks for any input.
 
Knot a true liberal if you are shooting guns.

And lol @ thinking 9mm cant stop. Watch "The First 48" and tell me how many dudes are dead because of a 9mm

Load a G19 with +p hollow points and youre GTG
 
-SD- said:
Knot a true liberal if you are shooting guns.

And lol @ thinking 9mm cant stop. Watch "The First 48" and tell me how many dudes are dead because of a 9mm

Load a G19 with +p hollow points and youre GTG
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Even a .22 cal can stop an intruder. I should have said "more stopping power". I've studied the statistics. Most shootouts end in 4 or 5 rounds. .357 magnum and .45 cal have the highest percentage of one shot stops. The 9mm is usually around 115 grains. A .45 cal is usually around 230 grains. It's has much more impact. If I miss center and put a 9mm round in somebody's leg, they can still move. If I miss center and put a .45 cal in somebody's leg, they are more likely out of action.

I do like the Glock 19 longslide, buy haven't shot it. I like that 9mms hold more and the ammo is much cheaper. The deciding factor is that I feel comfort with the kick of the .45 cal. I shot it more accurately at 30 feet than the 38 special at 20 feet.

I take it you are suggesting the Glock 19. I'll see if they have one to rent at the range.
 
Iiberal

I live in ma I just it my class a and bought two glocks a carry and a range gun g17 and a g22. You can only buy glocks used up here in ma so if you want one you have to keep and eye out. I like sig as well though quality weapon there.
 
WoodyO said:
Glock's kick hot brass right back into your face. Go for the Ruger.
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Originally I wanted a Ruger GP100 .357 magnum. What I like about Rugers is that they are overbuilt. You could bang in nails all day with them, then fire accurately at the range.

The Sigs only occasionally popped brass in my face, usually a ricochet off the barriers at the range. I'll see what the Glock does tomorrow. They also have a Smith and Wesson M&P. Maybe I'll cut to the chase and try out the Smith and Wesson 500.
 
mstiles87 said:
Iiberal

I live in ma I just it my class a and bought two glocks a carry and a range gun g17 and a g22. You can only buy glocks used up here in ma so if you want one you have to keep and eye out. I like sig as well though quality weapon there.
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Thanks for this info. How hard was it to get your LTC A in your town? I'm concerned that in my town, the police wont issue it to me. I have no criminal record and have never even received a speeding ticket.

The gun shop I go to is selling a used Sig P22. Mass is so funny with guns. Apparently some government agency has to inspect and approve any gun for sale in Mass.
 
Yeah the state police charges the gun companies 15 k per gun per model to test minimum of ten guns needed for testing its why you can buy some brands new and only some used th used ones are he companies who won't pay the extortion fee
 
I live on the outskirts of Fall River I took. Class did my application and interview with the detective waited two months for my license o come in
 
TrueLiberal said:
Even a .22 cal can stop an intruder. I should have said "more stopping power". I've studied the statistics. Most shootouts end in 4 or 5 rounds. .357 magnum and .45 cal have the highest percentage of one shot stops. The 9mm is usually around 115 grains. A .45 cal is usually around 230 grains. It's has much more impact. If I miss center and put a 9mm round in somebody's leg, they can still move. If I miss center and put a .45 cal in somebody's leg, they are more likely out of action.

I do like the Glock 19 longslide, buy haven't shot it. I like that 9mms hold more and the ammo is much cheaper. The deciding factor is that I feel comfort with the kick of the .45 cal. I shot it more accurately at 30 feet than the 38 special at 20 feet.

I take it you are suggesting the Glock 19. I'll see if they have one to rent at the range.
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Ive been carrying since 2004 and I was just like you, all geeked up to carry a big fat .45
Then I actually tried to carry a 1911 with the standard 5 inch barrel. Its just too big for comfort. Compare a 1911 with a G19 Gen4 and you will see what I mean.
As you get more experienced with this whole concealed carry thing, you will find your needs lean toward comfort instead of badassery.
9mm gets the job done bro, check out the foot pounds on some +p loads in hollow point and its really just splitting hairs as far as stopping power.
 
-SD- said:
Ive been carrying since 2004 and I was just like you, all geeked up to carry a big fat .45
Then I actually tried to carry a 1911 with the standard 5 inch barrel. Its just too big for comfort. Compare a 1911 with a G19 Gen4 and you will see what I mean.
As you get more experienced with this whole concealed carry thing, you will find your needs lean toward comfort instead of badassery.
9mm gets the job done bro, check out the foot pounds on some +p loads in hollow point and its really just splitting hairs as far as stopping power.
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I get that. I plan to buy something else for concealed carry. The criteria there is to have a gun that wont snag on my clothes and I can draw and shoot quickly. I actually don't want to be comfortable when carrying. I want to be reminded that the gun is there by my side. I also want to get into reloading. I can make custom "hot loads" that have much more power than commercial rounds.

I live alone. I don't think I will date anybody that doesn't shoot guns. Shooting a gun made me realize how you actually have to train with them to be effective. The first few times I shot I had to verbally tell myself each step. I kept putting my finger on the trigger through the whole aiming process instead of keeping my finger outside of the guard. I would also keep shooting high and to the right because I was anticipating the recoil.
 
-SD- said:
Why the fuck do you have to do that?
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Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun control laws in the United States. I have to get the FTC permit to even own a handgun. It's also illegal to open carry in Massachusetts. If you concealed carry if anybody even sees your gun, say your shirt lifts and exposes your gun, you are considered "brandishing a firearm" which is a violent felony.
 
I've had a .45 and it was a nice weapon. But the 9mm that I carry is just right for me. Very compact and my aim with it is awsome. Plus I love the recoil on it. I hold 15 rounds in my SIG and my aim is great with every shot. I have a very small wait in between shots. With my .45 it takes me longer to empty my 10 round mag and keep the aim good because of the recoil.

But home defence is something completely different. Tactical shot gun all the way with a Flash light and laser :)

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TrueLiberal said:
Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun control laws in the United States. I have to get the FTC permit to even own a handgun. It's also illegal to open carry in Massachusetts. If you concealed carry if anybody even sees your gun, say your shirt lifts and exposes your gun, you are considered "brandishing a firearm" which is a violent felony.
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That's not the case lib. Mass doesn't have a law against open carry... However if you open carry and someone says something o a cop they can confiscate your firearm and license on the spot.
 
ppgfreak said:
I've had a .45 and it was a nice weapon. But the 9mm that I carry is just right for me. Very compact and my aim with it is awsome. Plus I love the recoil on it. I hold 15 rounds in my SIG and my aim is great with every shot. I have a very small wait in between shots. With my .45 it takes me longer to empty my 10 round mag and keep the aim good because of the recoil.

But home defence is something completely different. Tactical shot gun all the way with a Flash light and laser :)

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No 15 round clips in ma 10 max. But if you gt a pre 98 assault weapon ban lock you can have the 17 round clips. And I'm all about the 12 gauge for home defense.
 
TrueLiberal said:
Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun control laws in the United States. I have to get the FTC permit to even own a handgun. It's also illegal to open carry in Massachusetts. If you concealed carry if anybody even sees your gun, say your shirt lifts and exposes your gun, you are considered "brandishing a firearm" which is a violent felony.
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Can I be thankful Im a Texan?
 
CA has the absolute worst gun control laws. Luckily they are filled with loopholes. I have about 6 AR's and a dozen or so AK's.
 
mstiles87 said:
No 15 round clips in ma 10 max. But if you gt a pre 98 assault weapon ban lock you can have the 17 round clips. And I'm all about the 12 gauge for home defense.
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I live in Maine one hour north from MA and I love the gun laws. A police officer say me putting my M4 in my trunk and pulled up and talked to me for ten minutes lol

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I carry a Springfield XD-M .40. It holds 16+1 and is plenty of pop if I ever had to use it. I use hollow point rounds in my clip for self defense.
 
I think your on the right track, with your leaning towards the Sig, you really cant go wrong with that.

But also think of what you wear everyday, Do you want that weight, and will you decide not to carry because of the lack of comfort and lack of ease in carrying a large cal pistol.

I carry a Smith & Wesson Airweight 442 (black) .38 Special with +P ammo of course. It is super light and with an inside the pant holster I can carry it even while wearing training pants.

I was not a revolver guy either but the weight plus the preformance you get from a +P .38 is not bad. Price was also a factor.

Also think of yourselve under the pressure of a firefight, try to pick a weapon that is easy to use. A revolver is simple, pull out and shoot, no safety or thinking did i chamber a round. Yes these may seem like stupid words but a novice sometimes makes those mistakes.

Bottom line pick a weapon you feel most comfortable with, I dont care if you have a .50 cal, if you make a simple mistake or didnt carry because it was uncomfortable to you, then you made the wrong choice.

But some snap caps (orange practice ammo) so that you can load and function check your weapon while at home. Practice often and know your weapon.

The secret is not to have the fanciest gun or biggest, but to know how to use it when the time comes.
 
Sean Scott said:
I think your on the right track, with your leaning towards the Sig, you really cant go wrong with that.

But also think of what you wear everyday, Do you want that weight, and will you decide not to carry because of the lack of comfort and lack of ease in carrying a large cal pistol.

I carry a Smith & Wesson Airweight 442 (black) .38 Special with +P ammo of course. It is super light and with an inside the pant holster I can carry it even while wearing training pants.

I was not a revolver guy either but the weight plus the preformance you get from a +P .38 is not bad. Price was also a factor.

Also think of yourselve under the pressure of a firefight, try to pick a weapon that is easy to use. A revolver is simple, pull out and shoot, no safety or thinking did i chamber a round. Yes these may seem like stupid words but a novice sometimes makes those mistakes.

Bottom line pick a weapon you feel most comfortable with, I dont care if you have a .50 cal, if you make a simple mistake or didnt carry because it was uncomfortable to you, then you made the wrong choice.

But some snap caps (orange practice ammo) so that you can load and function check your weapon while at home. Practice often and know your weapon.

The secret is not to have the fanciest gun or biggest, but to know how to use it when the time comes.
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^^^^^^^^
My G19 fits the bill for me
 
I have 11 handguns right now, and have to agree that the XD-M is nearly perfect for concealed carry. I have it in a couple calibers, but mostly carry the .9 for comfort. .9mm is plenty of stopping power unless your assailant is wearing body armor...which is unlikely.

I do like my glock 17 and my revolver .357 mag, but only for sport really. If we are strictly talking concealed carry, the Springfield .9mm is the winner.

SD, don't get too proud on Texas gun laws, we get fucked too. Any time your weapon shows through clothing it is considered 'printing' and is grounds for arrest and a lifetime forfeiture of your CHL. Pretty good incentive to not be a fat bastard in tight clothing.
 
I also have a few Class 3 firearms so if any of you democrats are ever in East Texas, I'll let you shred up some cinder block targets with a FA and see if it doesn't change your mind on gun control. Bring a change of underwear.
 
40 cal...

one consideration is size of the weapon and are you going to carry it concealed or just in your night stand or safe..

if you are protecting against home invasion a hand gun is not the 1st choice due to over penetration of the rounds..

the smallest that i've purchased is a taurus pt40 slim, it's the exact same size as the 9mm but you get the ability to actually stop someone..
 
I keep a modified Judge on my bedstand. LED and laser. No way can you say that isn't the best home protection weapon, and it's a handgun...
Not a conventional one, but still effective.

I saw a .40 yesterday that was so small it looked like a toy, just can't remember who makes it right now. Inexpensive too.
 
I am considering buying a Mossberg 590 A1 for hunting and home defense. I think I can switch the barrel. The only problem I have with a shotgun for defense is that it requires two hands to operate. I like that buckshot doesn't overpenetrate, but If I get hurt and can only use one hand I want the handgun.

For carry I am looking at hammerless revolvers.

I'm going to shoot a Glock 21 soon. I'll probably buy Either a Sig or a Glock depending on which I shoot best. I also want a laser sight and flashlight mounted.

Last on my list is a Mosin-Nagant M91//30. I love those surplus military rifles. They are cheap, reliable, and the ammo is abundant and inexpensive.
 
I have a saiga .223 that I machined open the magwell and added a custom machined bullet guide, so it could use regular 30 round AK mags. I also added some custom wood furniture. I can't decide if it's going to be my driving gun, my home defense gun or my TV watching gun.
 
Liberal another fun fact about ma gun laws only 5 k rounds allowed per caliber in a household and 20 k max in a house doesn't get you very far in the zombie apocalypse
 
mstiles87 said:
Love my Glock g22 is my carry. Sd did you get a gen 4? If you did how do you like the grips on it.
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Grips are dope. I took off the optional backstraps all the way to its smallest grip and it handles and carries like a dream. also cuts down on slide bite when firing since the palm is further under the bottom of the slide for better clearance of the slide when its kicking back over your grip.
 
bigbassturd said:
I have 11 handguns right now, and have to agree that the XD-M is nearly perfect for concealed carry. I have it in a couple calibers, but mostly carry the .9 for comfort. .9mm is plenty of stopping power unless your assailant is wearing body armor...which is unlikely.

I do like my glock 17 and my revolver .357 mag, but only for sport really. If we are strictly talking concealed carry, the Springfield .9mm is the winner.

SD, don't get too proud on Texas gun laws, we get fucked too. Any time your weapon shows through clothing it is considered 'printing' and is grounds for arrest and a lifetime forfeiture of your CHL. Pretty good incentive to not be a fat bastard in tight clothing.
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Yea I know about printing I was referring to the hoops everyone else has to jump through to initially get a CHL
 
-SD- said:
Grips are dope. I took off the optional backstraps all the way to its smallest grip and it handles and carries like a dream. also cuts down on slide bite when firing since the palm is further under the bottom of the slide for better clearance of the slide when its kicking back over your grip.
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The g22 I have is gen 3. I wanted a gen 4 but won't see a used one here in mass for a while
 
-SD- said:
Yea I know about printing I was referring to the hoops everyone else has to jump through to initially get a CHL
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Tr00

All it took me was a 4 hr class and a signature. In reality all I did was show up, present my military I.D. and wallah, CHL was presented.

Fuk teh norf
 
mstiles87 said:
Liberal another fun fact about ma gun laws only 5 k rounds allowed per caliber in a household and 20 k max in a house doesn't get you very far in the zombie apocalypse
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I'm glad you told me this. I have found places that sell bulk ammo cheap. I was going to start stockpiling.

Honestly I am thinking about moving to Vermont. There gun laws are much less stringent and I like the community first based attitude there.
 
Yeah that or Maine hell even New Hampshire the gun laws here in MA are asinine I mean we still have the assault weapons ban from 98 in place and that has not been federally mandated for two years
 
I gotta admit Texas aint got shit on Wyoming and South Dakota as far as gun friendliness. Bought a leather biker vest in Deadwood S.D. and the first thing the clerk said was its great for carrying a gun in
hahaha
Fucking boss state
 
I really wish I lived in an open carry state. Something about shopping for groceries with a .44 magnum revolver hanging off your hip just screams awesome.
 
bigbassturd said:
I really wish I lived in an open carry state. Something about shopping for groceries with a .44 magnum revolver hanging off your hip just screams awesome.
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I see the initial appeal to badassery, but ultimately I wouldnt want to advertise I had a gun on me to potential criminals who would want to rob any place I was at, or anything of that nature where I would be the first target to take out since I had a gun on me.
 
-SD- said:
I see the initial appeal to badassery, but ultimately I wouldnt want to advertise I had a gun on me to potential criminals who would want to rob any place I was at, or anything of that nature where I would be the first target to take out since I had a gun on me.
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Yeah, but in my case I'm the first target anyways, since I'm usually the biggest fucker there in any given place. Shaved head, tats, and big as fuck...kinda a given I'm getting shot first based on profiling. Sucks, cause i'm actually a really nice guy :)
 
bigbassturd said:
I really wish I lived in an open carry state. Something about shopping for groceries with a .44 magnum revolver hanging off your hip just screams awesome.
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CA is an open carry state. Which is odd since we are also the most unfriendly state for gun owners.
 
-SD- said:
Are you serious? What sort of hoops to jump through to be able to do that?
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Yeah, I'm serious. The gun has to be unloaded, holstered and the ammo/clip has to be away from the holster (other side of your belt ).

The only problem is that a lot of wannabe douches started staging these meet-ups for open carry at places like Starbucks a few years back. It drew a lot of negative attention and now private businesses can post up that open carry is prohibited.
 
WoodyO said:
Yeah, I'm serious. The gun has to be unloaded, holstered and the ammo/clip has to be away from the holster (other side of your belt ).

The only problem is that a lot of wannabe douches started staging these meet-ups for open carry at places like Starbucks a few years back. It drew a lot of negative attention and now private businesses can post up that open carry is prohibited.
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i would rather carry concealed with full mag and one in the pipe. If youve got to pull and use, open carry would be a tactical nightmare.
 
WoodyO said:
Yeah, I'm serious. The gun has to be unloaded, holstered and the ammo/clip has to be away from the holster (other side of your belt ).

The only problem is that a lot of wannabe douches started staging these meet-ups for open carry at places like Starbucks a few years back. It drew a lot of negative attention and now private businesses can post up that open carry is prohibited.
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Saw all that stupid shit on youtube. Just looking for attention...

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bigbassturd said:
Saw all that stupid shit on youtube. Just looking for attention...

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Yeah, no shit. Some of them came out with camo pants and hip holsters. That's got to be great for business. People love drinking coffee at a Starbucks full of armed people.
 
WoodyO said:
Yeah, no shit. Some of them came out with camo pants and hip holsters. That's got to be great for business. People love drinking coffee at a Starbucks full of armed people.
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You don't carry your assault rifle to breakfast bro?

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bigbassturd said:
Yeah, but in my case I'm the first target anyways, since I'm usually the biggest fucker there in any given place. Shaved head, tats, and big as fuck...kinda a given I'm getting shot first based on profiling. Sucks, cause i'm actually a really nice guy :)
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can i hate minorities?
 
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