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What about Torem? I had good success with it last time I used it, just throwing it into the debate...
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Time for a HEATED DEBATE
- Thread starter Texas Monster
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Great info here, though I think I'm more confused than before I read it...lol. Everything Steve said is exactly how I've always understood it, but there is a lot here saying that is not correct. Good discussion
Texas Monster
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What do you recomend besides clomid?
INJECTIONS MORE THAN 2 WEEKS OLD ARE INERT AT THAT POINT.
with test cyp ? I would peg it for at 4 weeks to reach peak levels. something like deca or EQ will take a bit longer. dbol or beastdrol takes a week to reach peak levels
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How can it build up over 4 weeks if it's only active for 2 weeks?
how can that be? if it has an 8 day half life for example and you inject 5K, after 8 days half would be live in the body.. thats still 2500mgs.. then after 16 days 1250.. then after 24 days 625 and so on. plus whatever mg's you injected previously would also be dropping off. yes it makes a difference how much you inject. the longer and larger the dosage the longer it will take for it to taper out of the body.. how could it not?
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The amount would matter up to 2-3 weeks but after that, the liver would have filtered it out.
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hcg and HMG help plump the nuts going into PCT. it has cut my recovery times tremendously.. so we will agree to disagree. going into pct will raisin nuts is asking for trouble.
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That's a separate issue. I'm saying, once they're plumped, they're plumped. More won't do more.
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with test cyp ? I would peg it for at 4 weeks to reach peak levels. something like deca or EQ will take a bit longer. dbol or beastdrol takes a week to reach peak levels
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How can it build up over 4 weeks if it's only active for 2 weeks?
how can that be? if it has an 8 day half life for example and you inject 5K, after 8 days half would be live in the body.. thats still 2500mgs.. then after 16 days 1250.. then after 24 days 625 and so on. plus whatever mg's you injected previously would also be dropping off. yes it makes a difference how much you inject. the longer and larger the dosage the longer it will take for it to taper out of the body.. how could it not?
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The amount would matter up to 2-3 weeks but after that, the liver would have filtered it out.
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hcg and HMG help plump the nuts going into PCT. it has cut my recovery times tremendously.. so we will agree to disagree. going into pct will raisin nuts is asking for trouble.
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That's a separate issue. I'm saying, once they're plumped, they're plumped. More won't do more.
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Just solely speaking from experience, what Steve has said makes perfect sense to me. I'm starting week 4 of PCT after a Test E/Masteron E cycle right now which also happened to be my first injectible cycle. My PCT has went incredible to this point, and almost too good if you know what I mean. My weight has dropped about 3 lbs since the cycle from water and glycogen returning to normal, but everything else has been excellent with my strength actually increasing.
I've ran several oral only cycles before with the identical PCT as I have ran this time, and after about a week my weight is down 4 or 5 lbs typically and my strength goes down at least a little from where it was on cycle. I always accepted that as normal, then I run a longer and more suppressive cycle with a seemingly better recovery? Odd to me...
If some of the test in my system was still there for a good portion of my PCT that could be why I have felt great and had such good performance. If like to think that I killed this PCT like anyone, but at 5 weeks after my last pin as of today, I seem to think I'm not out of the woods yet if you believe what Steve says.
I've ran several oral only cycles before with the identical PCT as I have ran this time, and after about a week my weight is down 4 or 5 lbs typically and my strength goes down at least a little from where it was on cycle. I always accepted that as normal, then I run a longer and more suppressive cycle with a seemingly better recovery? Odd to me...
If some of the test in my system was still there for a good portion of my PCT that could be why I have felt great and had such good performance. If like to think that I killed this PCT like anyone, but at 5 weeks after my last pin as of today, I seem to think I'm not out of the woods yet if you believe what Steve says.
It's a site specific estrogen blocker like nolvadex but with less of an effect on lipid levels and bone density. So it'll do what it does but it won't restore HPTA function in any way.
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You're suppressed from the tetsosterone that is a month old. You're suppressed because your HPTA has not been active for the last 2 months.
