Time for a HEATED DEBATE

[Texas Monster]

ALL right Fellow Bros,

It is time for a heated debate.

This thread is going to pertain to active life, half life, pct start times.

1st off Test cyp has a half life of 7 days. After 10+weeks of administration of say over 350mg+ a week Levels should be high enough to either

A: Be cleared in 3-4 weeks
B: Be cleared in 14 days after last pin
C: Clear when the ester is completly broken down ( how ever long that might take because detection time is 6 months)

I decided to do this after reading a thread and seeing some conflicting ideas.

People say to start PCT 2 weeks after last pin which seems to be a good transistion.

However If it is true that test stays in the system for 4 weeks that means you are really only pcting for 2 solid weeks.

Using PCT calculator shows that you will still have high levels 4 weeks out. Most experienced users feel the crash after 2 weeks if they do not start to PCT.

Looking for a lot of feedback here guys. What do you think? PCT calculator wrong? Or are we thinking about half life vs active life vs how long it actually takes to break down the entire ester and release all of the hormone injected.

GO!

 

[Texas Monster]

I will be the first.

By going off the PCT calculator we can see that there are still high levels after 4 weeks after the last pin.

This has to be because not all of the hormone is being released simultaneously correct? The ester allows it to be broken down slowly and then once broken down it will half an active life of 10-14 days.

Or is it that after injection it takes 8 days to break down the ester and hormone all together?

 

[SpyWizard]

who runs only a 4 week pct???

 

[Texas Monster]

who runs only a 4 week pct???

So you run clomid longer than 4 weeks?

 

[Potent]

2weeks bro, after you hit half life your crashing, 2 weeks later your rock bottom, you don't wanna wait till you're rock bottom to start pct IMO

 

[Jigga14]

S according to the half life of test C, after 7 days half of it has been dispersed, and after another 7 days another half has been dispersed.

Statistically then after 14 days there is only .25 of the initial level remaining, this amount would be back in the normal range.

14 days seems to be a good time to start PCT. Of course u should be primed by this time from using HCgenerate or HCG to start natural production again

 

[Jigga14]

Great thread BTW, can't wait to see some alternative views.

Nelson is gonna pipe in here soon and say to start pct right after the last pin

 

[Feldspar]

This is simplified to dosing once every 7 days as it makes it easier to explain. The 7 day half-life makes it a pretty simple problem.

Basically, the amount of test in your body is going to equilibrate at ~2x the weekly dose. In your scenario, that's a maximum of ~700mg with a 350mg weekly dose. The amount in the body is going to fluctuate between 350mg and 700mg once equilibrium is reached.

Here's some math for those that might be interested.

Week Dose mg in Circulation after Dose
1 350mg 350mg
2 350mg (350mg-175mg) + 350mg = 525mg
3 350mg (525mg - 263mg) + 350mg = 612mg
4 350mg (612 - 306) + 350 = 656mg
5 350mg (656 - 328) + 350 = 678mg
6 350mg (678 - 339) + 350 = 689mg
7 350mg (689 - 344) + 350 = 695mg
8 350mg (695 - 347) + 350 = 698mg
9-12? 350mg ~700mg

7 days after the last injection of 350mg, you're back down to 350mg of test in circulation. Day 14, your down to 175mg. That's near the range of what you would see from a HRT dose of 150mg/week with min/max ranges of 150mg to 300mg in circulation. HRT levels at 2 weeks when your body is accustomed to 2-3x that concentration of test is probably responsible for the perceived crash.

Even with the long esters, the test levels are going to drop off quick. Test is still in your system at 2 weeks, but the goal of PCT is to get the HPTA back in gear before you hit rock bottom. Waiting 4 weeks would put you in a testosterone deficit for quite a while as you wait on the HPTA to regain normal function. That deficit would make it pretty hard to hold onto your gains.

ALL right Fellow Bros,

It is time for a heated debate.

This thread is going to pertain to active life, half life, pct start times.

1st off Test cyp has a half life of 7 days. After 10+weeks of administration of say over 350mg+ a week Levels should be high enough to either

A: Be cleared in 3-4 weeks
B: Be cleared in 14 days after last pin
C: Clear when the ester is completly broken down ( how ever long that might take because detection time is 6 months)

I decided to do this after reading a thread and seeing some conflicting ideas.

People say to start PCT 2 weeks after last pin which seems to be a good transistion.

However If it is true that test stays in the system for 4 weeks that means you are really only pcting for 2 solid weeks.

Using PCT calculator shows that you will still have high levels 4 weeks out. Most experienced users feel the crash after 2 weeks if they do not start to PCT.

Looking for a lot of feedback here guys. What do you think? PCT calculator wrong? Or are we thinking about half life vs active life vs how long it actually takes to break down the entire ester and release all of the hormone injected.

GO!

 

[Nelson Montana]

ALL right Fellow Bros,


SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT I'M DOING IT TO MAKE THE RESPONSE EASIER.


It is time for a heated debate.

This thread is going to pertain to active life, half life, pct start times.

1st off Test cyp has a half life of 7 days. After 10+weeks of administration of say over 350mg+ a week Levels should be high enough to either

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NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT IT'S A COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING THAT LEVELS CONTINUE TO RISE. THIS IS WHY IT'S RIDICULOSU TO SAY THAT IT TAKES TEST 3 WEEKS TO "KICK IN" . BY WEEK THREE -- THE FIRST SHOT IS ESSENTIALLY GONE.


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A: Be cleared in 3-4 weeks

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CLEARING AND BEING ACTIVE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.



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B: Be cleared in 14 days after last pin

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IT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE INACTIVE AFTER 14 DAYS, YES.


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C: Clear when the ester is completly broken down ( how ever long that might take because detection time is 6 months)

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NOT TEST. DECA, YES.


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I decided to do this after reading a thread and seeing some conflicting ideas.

People say to start PCT 2 weeks after last pin which seems to be a good transistion.

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I SAY NO. IT TAKES ABOUT A WEEK FOR THE PCT TO KICK IN, SO WHY WAIT WHEN IT HAS MORE TO DO? IN OTHER WORDS, WHY NOT USE UNLEASHED AND GET FREET AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE. WHY NOT USE HCG WHEN YOU STILL HAVE TEST IN YOUR BODY? IT TAKES UNLEASHED ABOUT 4-5 DAYS TO WORK ANYWAY.



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However If it is true that test stays in the system for 4 weeks that means you are really only pcting for 2 solid weeks.

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BUT THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE THING FALLS APART. 4 WEEKS AFTER YOUR LAST PIN, T LEVELS WILL BE DRAMATICALLY LOWER. PLUS, YOU LH WILL BE IN SINGLE DIGITS. YOU NEED AS MUCH FREE TEST AS POSSIBLE AT THAT POINT AND YOU NEED YOUR HPTA WOKEN UP FROM ITS DORMANT STATE.


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Using PCT calculator shows that you will still have high levels 4 weeks out. Most experienced users feel the crash after 2 weeks if they do not start to PCT.

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THERE'S YOUR ANSWER.


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Looking for a lot of feedback here guys. What do you think? PCT calculator wrong? Or are we thinking about half life vs active life vs how long it actually takes to break down the entire ester and release all of the hormone injected.

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INJECTABLES ARE A NATURAL TAPER. THEY PEAK AFTER A DAY OR TWO, THEN SLOWLY DISSAPATE. THIS IS WHY HRT IS BEST EVERY WEEK. EVERY 14 DAYS WOULD CAUSE TOO MUCH OF A DIP, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BE "SOME" TESTOSTERONE IN YOUR SYSTEM. BUT REMEMBER, WHEN YOU TAKE A SHOT, YOU STILL HAVE LAST WEEKS SHOT IN YOU. WHEN YOU DO YOUR LAST SHOT -- THERE'S NO BACKUP. SO SUPPRESSION, AS WELL AS LOWER T LEVELS CAN START AS SOON AS 7 DAYS LATER. AND LEVELS WILL DROP BELOW BASELINE WITHIN 14-21 DAYS.

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[digit0x]

Can't argue with that.