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The women's Guide to pro homrones, A female's look into legal steroids.

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The women's Guide to pro homrones, A female's look into legal steroids.



First off my name is Nathan chase Author of anabolic kitchen, Ext elite mod of this forum,mod of many others,owner of needtobuildmuscle.com and 4 other successful companies in the health and fitness industry.. That is the most simple way i can put all that I do these days but if you ask others about me they may just tell you a long story or two.

I want to say right up front that I nether endorse nor do I condone the use of steroids,legal steroids, or pro hormones by a woman or member of the female sex. This is a choice that is in your hands and your hands alone not mine or anyone else.

The reason I am writing this profiles thread though is for all the woman out there looking for this kind of info. As a member of fitness and steroid forums for many many years I have watched hundreds of thousands of men speak freely and openly about there steroids, pro hormones, and legal designer steroid use. Yet woman are ether shunned from the conversation or made to feel its something they should keep quite about.

Not on elitfitness.com and not well I am in charge. Woman deserve the right to make there own choices and woman/females also entitled to as much information about the safest posable use of anabolics as men are. It seems as though I may be the very first person to ever write a women's Guide to pro homrones, or a female's legal steroid hand book. I guess that has a lot to do with the fact that so many sites and forums out there gasp at the very thought of it thus scaring anyone out of doing such a thing.

Personally I have never been one to care what others think. I do what I do every day, and help as many people as I can. If some one has something against that, well then to bad for them. My day will be just fine as it always is.

Ladies,
In this thread I will be covering many different subjects and aspects of legal steroid use. As it pertains to you, the lovely ladies that you are. I will be covering everything from what support supplements and post cycle therapy supplements you should take to what doses you should take, and wht kind of side effects you may get.

I am no English major, and I have never won a spelling bee ether. So please overlook my crappy writing and my appalling spelling. What I lack in writing skills I make up for in knowledge of the subject. Yes I have trained woman and yes I have Guided many woman in the use of legal steroids and pro hormones. Every kind of woman you can think of from the regular house wife to the NPC and IFBB level athletes stepping on stage. There are woman who have been stepping on a NPC and IFBB pro stage for over a decade that seek out my chemical advice. females who have been on the cover or in the pages of major magazines like flex, muscle development and Women's Physique World. One of the woman I train now has placed as high as 3rd in major national ifbb pro level events. Another who gets her chemical advice from me now is the strongest woman in the world in her weight class and age.

Many of the woman of this site know me and know of my knowledge. As for names of females Who get there chemical advice from me I will keep this to my self and I am sure many of you ladies reading this now know why..Feel free to contact me at any time. I assure you I work with many and I work confidentially.


OK, So its time to get down to business. The information that is in my head will take much longer then a day to write,much more then a post or to to bring together, and much more then I have time to right at this very moment. For this reason I am making this a open thread. I am going to write profiles for every single legal steroid I know of as it pertains to a woman. I will cover many other subjects, and i will even answer any and all questions I am asked.

We will make this thread together. Make this thread not only informational but interactive as well. So that I may get a feel for what it is you all want to know about most. I guess I have to start some where so I will start with this. A question Not only a lot of men have a hard time understanding but woman as well.

What is the difference between a steroid and a pro hormone? I will explain the answer to this question is two different ways.

1. The complex way first.
Steroids can be distinguished as terpenoid lipids that typify a sterane core with certain added functional groups. The center of
steroids is made up of a complicated carbon structure made from four adjoined rings, a single cyclopentane ring and three other cyclohexane rings. Steroids can be categorized on the basis of two unambiguous features 1. whether the rings in the core have functional clusters connected to them or not and also 2. On the substructure of the condition of rings after oxidation. However , as the very name proposes, a prohormone is a substance that precedes a hormone. Prohormones portray the most minimum hormonal effects when left by themselves. Prohormones are enzymic substances that need to undergo chemical reactions and interactions in order to become an active hormone. Prohormones came to the knwoledge of medical science since the mid 20th century.


And 2 the simple version. in order for a pro homrone to work it nees to convert to a steroid in your body. Your body produces enzymes and these enzymes mix with the pro hormone to cause its conversion into a steroids.

A steroid on the other hand is active ad needs no conversion therefor much strong and with less side effects too..




OK I am sorry ladies but for tonight this is it. It is 147am and although I am often up much later then this I can hardly keep my eyes open tonight. Next I will start to write about 2 of the most poppuler steroids.otc steroids woman take, Thank you
 
Nice work my brother, its good to get everyone educated, including females as there is so much confusion over female pct, and hormonal cycles!!
 
Ok lets get this party started ladies. Again "everything" I write will pertain to woman, So when I write the dosing of compounds and everything else all of it is for "you" the female, and not a man. Before I get into righting all the profiles for the known OTC steroids out there I want to address a very important fact.

Purity!
By purity I mean the purity of the steroid you are using. Even for men it is important to use nothing but the most pure product you can find, however this importance is ten fold for the female user. Even the Slightest bit of impurity can change everything!!
Often during manufacturing much much larger companies have been known to get a little of this mixed with a little of that. Cheap clones and knock off products out there have been well known to not always be pure as well. In fact some of the largest and well known "cheaper" bargain brand legal steroids are the worst culprits of this practice. I man might be fine if there happens to be a little superdrol in his helladrol. A man may not have that bad a reaction if his epi has converted to DMT from sitting on the ware house shelf to long under higher heat.

But these kinds mix ups and impurities can cause drastically different effects for a woman. Trust me ladies, you do not want to be taking DMT when you should be taking epi. The difference in effects are night and day and for you this could mean long short term and some times long lasting adverse side effects that you did not sign up for.

For this reason there is very very few brands I trust and would recommend for a woman. However there are some brands out there that I will vouch for. I will list them in order starting with the brands I like best and trust the most down to the least. If a lab has made my list at all they are lucky.
Mrsupps.com
ruthless supplements or Rlssupplements
Purus labs
customcapsules.com
powerlabs
RNP

Any and all other brands Use at your own risk. I highly advice you think long and hard before you place your body and your health in the hands of a Bergen brand.
 
Methylepitiostanol and Methepitiostane
We are talking about two different steroids yet also the same. For the hard core gear heads out there please dont bother busting my chops about the difference of the two. I know there is a difference. However for the most part there really is no different lmao. OK sorry ladies I know I just confused the heck out of you. Let me make it very very simple and easy for you. Methepitiostane aka havoc aka 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is the same but different. All Females just ignore havoc and do not even use it. Its a slight ( and I mean slight) bit more Androgenic then the rest although so little that its not even recorded as such in any literature. Epi-strong,epistane and anthing epi is what you want ladies. So thin epi and not havoc ok.


Epi-strong,Epistane, (these are the name brands woman want)
Nomenclature:
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol <-- this is what woman want the ingredient in the product to be
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H30OS
Molecular Weight: 320.5
Anabolic to Androgenic 1,100/91
Common Dosages: 2.5mg to 5mg doses administered 1 to 3 times a day spread out.
Common Cycle Length: 4-5 Weeks.
Methylated: Yes
Half-Life: Average (6-8 hours)
Possible Side effects: Heptatoxicity (Liver), sore/dry joints, puffy/sensitive nipples, back/calf pumps, increased libido, acne, spotting to nonexistent bleeding during menstrual cycle,rasping of the voice to deepening of the voice and or on set of masculinization.
Notes: One of the safest and most popular legal steroids among woman do to its very low Androgenic properties.

Methylepitiostanol is a methylated version of the steroid Epitiostanol. It is readily active and does not require conversion. Epi is derived from Dihydrotestosterane and is c17-alpha alkylated with a favorable balance(for woman) between anabolic and androgenic effects. In fact its about 12 times more anabolic then it is androgenic. The A/A ratio makes epi-strong one of the best available choices for woman especially in those females looking for dramatic strength and muscle size gains.

Methylepitiostanol was first described in 1966 as part of a investigation of A-ring modified androstane derivatives. During this time is when it was first studied for its anabolic androgenic potency using the standard rat testing procedures.
Although the testing proved this drug was really quite remarkable and favorably safe for both men and woman it never made it to market as a pharmaceutical drug and a patten was never formed for its use. likewise it never made it past rat testing onto human subjects at the pharmacological level Until some forty years later when it was first introduced to the supplement industry in 2006.

Methylepitiostanol has been reported to be very effective at reducing breast tissue growth in men. It has also been reported by some woman to reduce overall breast size at times (but returns normal after discontinuation of the drug). This is likely do to its antagonistic effects on estrogen. Moreover a good indication as to why it was first looked into as a drug for breast cancer treatment.

Methylepitiostanol/epi-strong/Epistane/havoc can not and will not convert to estrogen but there have been many reports of products that supposedly contain this compound causing gyno. One of the main reasons for this is the fact that Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT). I will say it again so that you females can grasp the severity of what I am saying. Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT),

Other reasons why reports of gyno from this compound have been popping up can be do to androgen receptor cross over( http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/receptor-cross-over-710073.html) and of course impurity of the product being used. Any reports of pure properly stored Methylepitiostanol causing gyno are mostly unsubstantiated thus leaving the only real explanation being receptor crossover.

As long as woman get a pure compound and a properly stored product Methylepitiostanol is one of the best legal steroids she can get. This is why i highly stress only dealing with a trusted company and or brand of product. There is 0 room for error when it comes to this compound and its use be females.


for woman Methylepitiostanol is the safest bulking compound there is. Yes bulking! For men its moderate to weak for bulking but for woman Methylepitiostanol is your number one choice for adding good hard size to your frame. Upwards of 10-20lb of hard muscle can be added to a woman's frame when using this compound.

To give you a idea of what I am talking about I will share the results of one female Athlete I consulted not to long ago. This Athlete is a MMA fighter on the fast track to earning her pro status. In fact last I knew one fight away from it ( which i heard she won). The particular fight I had been advising her for was her second and in order to fight the woman she needed to fight she had to move up a weight class. Sitting at 130 something lbs she needed to add on at least another 8-10lb in order to move up to the heavyweight class that she needed to be at.
In 4 weeks time using Methylepitiostanol 5mg twice a day she was sitting at a massive 149lb and needed to stop the cycle and use a sweat suit to get down to the perfect fighting weight. Make no mistake she is a well trained Athlete with seasoned muscles. She was training hard and long and still able to add all that extra muscle.

without a doubt epi can be effectively used as a muscle size and strength gaining compound by female athletes of all kinds. With a proper recomp diet it can also be used as a powerful recompositioning compound as well. By adjusting dosing and diet this compound can work both ways however it is not the most favorable compound for woman just looking to "lose weight". Cardio bunnies need not apply for this one. It is a compound strictly for woman looking to both lose bf% AND GAIN MUSCLE. sever low calorie diets along with lots of cardoi will render this compound practically useless at a females dose. Running it at recommended male doses will cause sever side effects.

Although Methylepitiostanol is best used for bulking by females. Hard core, highly experience females have used Methylepitiostanol
during contest prepping. IMO this is not its most effective means of use and there are much better compounds for this more on this later).

A cycle of Methylepitiostanol for a beginner would look something like this.

weeks
1-4 epi-strong 2.5mg 3 times a day
https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Epi---Strong---Buy-One-Get-One-Freee_27.aspx
1-4 N2guard 2 caps 3 times a day
N2GUARD
pct
4-8 bridge 1 cap twice a day.

Keep in mind using steroids of any kind can cause side effects. and I will say again I nether endorse nor do I condone the use of steroids,legal steroids, or pro hormones by a woman or member of the female sex. This is a choice that is in your hands and your hands alone not mine or anyone else. Just remember this is big choice and should not be taken lightly. I will be writing a lot in this thread and adding to it all the time. Through out this time I will repeat this ^^ many many times.

Drinking Alcohol,smoking cigarettes, having unprotected intercourse, eating 5 triple cheese burgers a day , or doing all of these at once is also your choice. All of these choices can have equally long lasting effects to your body and way of life. no one can make any of these choices for you and no ones can force them on you ether.

I am not giving anyone advice nor am I a doctor or a medical professional. I am only writing what I know and have learned overtime from many different sources of information. What I write comes from the experience of others, my own study of literature, and a collective composite of others knowledge and understanding all brought together into one source of information. I have choices to share all of this with you however the choice to use this information is still in our hands and your hands alone..

Thank you. I will be back again to cover more. hope to see you all. :qt::qt:
 
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needtogetaas said:
Methylepitiostanol and Methepitiostane
We are talking about two different steroids yet also the same. For the hard core gear heads out there please dont bother busting my chops about the difference of the two. I know there is a difference. However for the most part there really is no different lmao. OK sorry ladies I know I just confused the heck out of you. Let me make it very very simple and easy for you. Methepitiostane aka havoc aka 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is the same but different. All Females just ignore havoc and do not even use it. Its a slight ( and I mean slight) bit more Androgenic then the rest although so little that its not even recorded as such in any literature. Epi-strong,epistane and anthing epi is what you want ladies. So thin epi and not havoc ok.


Epi-strong,Epistane,M14-E, (these are the name brands woman want)
Nomenclature:
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol <-- this is what woman want the ingredient in the product to be
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H30OS
Molecular Weight: 320.5
Anabolic to Androgenic 1,100/91
Common Dosages: 2.5mg to 5mg doses administered 1 to 3 times a day spread out.
Common Cycle Length: 4-5 Weeks.
Methylated: Yes
Half-Life: Average (6-8 hours)
Possible Side effects: Heptatoxicity (Liver), sore/dry joints, puffy/sensitive nipples, back/calf pumps, increased libido, acne, spotting to nonexistent bleeding during menstrual cycle,rasping of the voice to deepening of the voice and or on set of masculinization.
Notes: One of the safest and most popular legal steroids among woman do to its very low Androgenic properties.

Methylepitiostanol is a methylated version of the steroid Epitiostanol. It is readily active and does not require conversion. Epi is derived from Dihydrotestosterane and is c17-alpha alkylated with a favorable balance(for woman) between anabolic and androgenic effects. In fact its about 12 times more anabolic then it is androgenic. The A/A ratio makes epi-strong one of the best available choices for woman especially in those females looking for dramatic strength and muscle size gains.

Methylepitiostanol was first described in 1966 as part of a investigation of A-ring modified androstane derivatives. During this time is when it was first studied for its anabolic androgenic potency using the standard rat testing procedures.
Although the testing proved this drug was really quite remarkable and favorably safe for both men and woman it never made it to market as a pharmaceutical drug and a patten was never formed for its use. likewise it never made it past rat testing onto human subjects at the pharmacological level Until some forty years later when it was first introduced to the supplement industry in 2006.

Methylepitiostanol has been reported to be very effective at reducing breast tissue growth in men. It has also been reported by some woman to reduce overall breast size at times (but returns normal after discontinuation of the drug). This is likely do to its antagonistic effects on estrogen. Moreover a good indication as to why it was first looked into as a drug for breast cancer treatment.

Methylepitiostanol/epi-strong/Epistane/havoc can not and will not convert to estrogen but there have been many reports of products that supposedly contain this compound causing gyno. One of the main reasons for this is the fact that Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT). I will say it again so that you females can grasp the severity of what I am saying. Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT),

Other reasons why reports of gyno from this compound have been popping up can be do to androgen receptor cross over( http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/receptor-cross-over-710073.html) and of course impurity of the product being used. Any reports of pure properly stored Methylepitiostanol causing gyno are mostly unsubstantiated thus leaving the only real explanation being receptor crossover.

As long as woman get a pure compound and a properly stored product Methylepitiostanol is one of the best legal steroids she can get. This is why i highly stress only dealing with a trusted company and or brand of product. There is 0 room for error when it comes to this compound and its use be females.


for woman Methylepitiostanol is the safest bulking compound there is. Yes bulking! For men its moderate to weak for bulking but for woman Methylepitiostanol is your number one choice for adding good hard size to your frame. Upwards of 10-20lb of hard muscle can be added to a woman's frame when using this compound.

To give you a idea of what I am talking about I will share the results of one female Athlete I consulted not to long ago. This Athlete is a MMA fighter on the fast track to earning her pro status. In fact last I knew one fight away from it ( which i heard she won). The particular fight I had been advising her for was her second and in order to fight the woman she needed to fight she had to move up a weight class. Sitting at 130 something lbs she needed to add on at least another 8-10lb in order to move up to the heavyweight class that she needed to be at.
In 4 weeks time using Methylepitiostanol 5mg twice a day she was sitting at a massive 149lb and needed to stop the cycle and use a sweat suit to get down to the perfect fighting weight. Make no mistake she is a well trained Athlete with seasoned muscles. She was training hard and long and still able to add all that extra muscle.

without a doubt epi can be effectively used as a muscle size and strength gaining compound by female athletes of all kinds. With a proper recomp diet it can also be used as a powerful recompositioning compound as well. By adjusting dosing and diet this compound can work both ways however it is not the most favorable compound for woman just looking to "lose weight". Cardio bunnies need not apply for this one. It is a compound strictly for woman looking to both lose bf% AND GAIN MUSCLE. sever low calorie diets along with lots of cardoi will render this compound practically useless at a females dose. Running it at recommended male doses will cause sever side effects.

Although Methylepitiostanol is best used for bulking by females. Hard core, highly experience females have used Methylepitiostanol
during contest prepping. IMO this is not its most effective means of use and there are much better compounds for this more on this later).

A cycle of Methylepitiostanol for a beginner would look something like this.

weeks
1-4 epi-strong 2.5mg 3 times a day
https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Epi---Strong---Buy-One-Get-One-Freee_27.aspx
1-4 N2guard 2 caps 3 times a day
N2GUARD
pct
4-8 bridge 1 cap twice a day.

Keep in mind using steroids of any kind can cause side effects. and I will say again I nether endorse nor do I condone the use of steroids,legal steroids, or pro hormones by a woman or member of the female sex. This is a choice that is in your hands and your hands alone not mine or anyone else. Just remember this is big choice and should not be taken lightly. I will be writing a lot in this thread and adding to it all the time. Through out this time I will repeat this ^^ many many times.

Drinking Alcohol,smoking cigarettes, having unprotected intercourse, eating 5 triple cheese burgers a day , or doing all of these at once is also your choice. All of these choices can have equally long lasting effects to your body and way of life. no one can make any of these choices for you and no ones can force them on you ether.

I am not giving anyone advice nor am I a doctor or a medical professional. I am only writing what I know and have learned overtime from many different sources of information. What I write comes from the experience of others, my own study of literature, and a collective composite of others knowledge and understanding all brought together into one source of information. I have choices to share all of this with you however the choice to use this information is still in our hands and your hands alone..

Thank you. I will be back again to cover more. hope to see you all. :qt::qt:
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Had to bold that part for emphasis, Nate. A new member apparently read just the opposite a few weeks back and we talked about Epistrong in fact being a weak androgen.

Considering the prevalence of misinformation on the the Internet, this thread will make a particularly great reference.
 
Great post Needto, thanks for the heads up. I've been out for a week. (Sorry but us Southern ladies have to watch our college football this first weekend.... go Gamecocks).


One question, when you say excessive heat what do you mean? I have a bottle of epistrong that is 6 months old but it has been stored in an air conditioning room in a dry place. Is it still good or should I toss it? Also, should I store it in the fridge. I've had mostly good results from the epi and want to give it another try come Feb.


Rebecca D:confused:
 
I would have to say that although I think Purus Labs is a great company, M14-E should not be included for the women. This is not just an Epi clone but a stack of Epi and M1,4ADD.

M1,4ADD is an amazing bulker for the guys but with an approximate 15% conversion to Dianabol I would say this is a no go for females!
 
Rebecca D said:
Great post Needto, thanks for the heads up. I've been out for a week. (Sorry but us Southern ladies have to watch our college football this first weekend.... go Gamecocks).


One question, when you say excessive heat what do you mean? I have a bottle of epistrong that is 6 months old but it has been stored in an air conditioning room in a dry place. Is it still good or should I toss it? Also, should I store it in the fridge. I've had mostly good results from the epi and want to give it another try come Feb.


Rebecca D:confused:
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I'd think that's ok, Rebecca. Longterm storage at say 80+ degrees would probably not be a good idea, but if it's been in AC I'm guessing it's been well below that, right? Assuming you've not had it sitting in direct sunlight I'm betting it's fine. I don't think the compound is that delicate.

Good question about the fridge. Maybe that could extend it's storage life.
 
retroshaper said:
I would have to say that although I think Purus Labs is a great company, M14-E should not be included for the women. This is not just an Epi clone but a stack of Epi and M1,4ADD.

M1,4ADD is an amazing bulker for the guys but with an approximate 15% conversion to Dianabol I would say this is a no go for females!
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damn you know thats a good catch and i will take that off the list. Thanks
 
Rebecca D said:
Great post Needto, thanks for the heads up. I've been out for a week. (Sorry but us Southern ladies have to watch our college football this first weekend.... go Gamecocks).


One question, when you say excessive heat what do you mean? I have a bottle of epistrong that is 6 months old but it has been stored in an air conditioning room in a dry place. Is it still good or should I toss it? Also, should I store it in the fridge. I've had mostly good results from the epi and want to give it another try come Feb.


Rebecca D:confused:
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Must be kept below 72 degrees at all times. The problem with putting any compounds like this is the frisdge is that well it rules out heat it increases the exposure to moisture. One way to prevent this is to take the product out of the bottle and air seal it with a hand held air sealer from like wall mart or something. Then put it in the fridge after you mark it of course.
 
Good write up, glad to see this here for all the women on here.
 
needtogetaas said:
Must be kept below 72 degrees at all times. The problem with putting any compounds like this is the frisdge is that well it rules out heat it increases the exposure to moisture. One way to prevent this is to take the product out of the bottle and air seal it with a hand held air sealer from like wall mart or something. Then put it in the fridge after you mark it of course.
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This is the kind of specificity I wish I could get with all supps.
 
Great post Need2. Lots of really good info, that I know allot of women could use. I will stay with ya on this one and add in when I can, but you got it covered really well. One of the biggest questions I get from women of course is "how can I put more muscle on and get leaner at the same time?" Of course as for me I am always looking for ways in the off-season to put as much size on as I can and gain as much strength as possible for the platform. Then come stage (not platform) time I am wanting to maintain that muscle while getting as lean as possible. Of course my problem is - get this one - I really dont like to eat that much which is a huge problem for me in the off-season - I have a really good metabolism that wants lots of food that I really get boared of providing all the time...
 
needtogetaas said:
Must be kept below 72 degrees at all times. The problem with putting any compounds like this is the frisdge is that well it rules out heat it increases the exposure to moisture. One way to prevent this is to take the product out of the bottle and air seal it with a hand held air sealer from like wall mart or something. Then put it in the fridge after you mark it of course.
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I think I'll seal it up until winter. It has been in a cabinet and air conditioned so it should be good. If I give it one more go it will be January or February.

Rebecca D
 
Rebecca D said:
I think I'll seal it up until winter. It has been in a cabinet and air conditioned so it should be good. If I give it one more go it will be January or February.

Rebecca D
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Awesome..

OK I am writing my next write up tonight. Sorry it took so long girls. I am a very busy busy man though lolol.. Well busy is a under statement... I am going to do another profile tonight though and that is a promise. HMMM which one to do ..
 
MetalMilitiaBabe said:
Great post Need2. Lots of really good info, that I know allot of women could use. I will stay with ya on this one and add in when I can, but you got it covered really well. One of the biggest questions I get from women of course is "how can I put more muscle on and get leaner at the same time?" Of course as for me I am always looking for ways in the off-season to put as much size on as I can and gain as much strength as possible for the platform. Then come stage (not platform) time I am wanting to maintain that muscle while getting as lean as possible. Of course my problem is - get this one - I really dont like to eat that much which is a huge problem for me in the off-season - I have a really good metabolism that wants lots of food that I really get boared of providing all the time...
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what you want for a athlete like your self is a powerful nutrition retaining compound like methoxy or a nutrition practitioner like need2slin. Of course need2slin is a lot safer with no side effects. Methoxy is a progesterin compound so think birth control kind of a compound but not the same exactly. Ever been on a pill that made you lose bf% big time. Well more like that. It raises your bodies ability to absorb food and use it faster rather then allowing it to get stored as fat..

I will touch up on this compound down the rode but it is a very tricky compound for woman and I will realy have to get my work and notes together for that one.
 
Katanadrol

Clones: Furaguno, Furazadrol, Furuza-A, Winabol/Winadrol
Nomenclature: 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Chemical Formula: C24H36N2O3

Common Dosages: 150mg to 300 mg daily.
Common Cycle Length: 5-6 Weeks.
Methylated: No
Half-Life: Short (5-6 hours)
Possible Side effects: very mild, reduces good & bad cholesterol, increased anxiety, slightly increased blood Pressure, back pumps and etcetera. Any side effects a woman could expect from a light winny cycle you could expect from this compound. Lose of menstration for a time, deepening of the voice is not common but can happen. Increased sex drive.
Notes: Great cutter, decent strength gains, lean and dry gains best compound for cutting or retaining muscle well cutting for woman. One of the most safest otc steroids for a woman of all otc steroids. However it is still not to be taken lightly.

Through out this write up I will call this compound Katanadrol because this is the highest dosed brand there is and it is one of the purest. Truthfully all other brands are dosed so low they are not even worth taking for even a woman. You ether run this compound at above 200mg a day or dont even bother IMO. Unless you are stacking it with other compounds.


Katanadrol
Directions: As a dietary supplement, adult woman take 150-300mg capsules spread throughout the day. For optimal results, take one serving prior to bed time. On training days take 1 serving prior to workout. For best results use for 4-6 weeks followed by an equal amount of time off. Do not exceed recommended dose.

Katanadrol is a potent non-methylated pro-steroid compound capable of producing incredibly hard, dense muscle gains. It is perfect for athletes looking to get cut and ripped by dramatically increasing muscle definition. It is highly anabolic, minimally androgenic, and does not aromatize in the body. If you are looking for a pro-steroid that will give you quality gains in muscle mass without troubling estrogen related side effects, Katanadrol is the answer for the ladies. It works outstandingly well at preserving muscle mass well trying to cut body fat. Though it pains me to say this the product even works for cardoi bunnies but I still think they should stay away and not waste there time with it. Just use a fat burner.


Katanadrol is not aromatized in the body and is not estrogenic. An additional anti-estrogen should not be necessary and estrogen related side effects should not be a concern. Katanadrol may also act as an antagonist with progesterone, which can help eliminate progesterone related side effects. Progesterone side effects are generally similar to estrogen related side effects, so eliminating them will help enhance lean muscularity.

Additionally, Katanadrol has the ability to suppress levels of sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). SHBG acts to temporarily constrain hormones from exerting activity and SHBG reduces the available percentage of unbound (active) hormone

Furazabol THP(Katanadrol) is the same compound as the illegal anabolic steroid furazabol except it is not 17aa methylated.

F

Once the Katanadrol reaches the stomach, most of the compound is converted to Furazabol (the non-methylated version). Therefore, topical delivery of this compound is probably not worthwhile. Furazabol has a similar structure to the illegal anabolic steroid stanozolol (Winstrol). The only difference is the pyrazole ring has been replaced with a furazan ring.


The half-life of this compound is short, so dosages should be taken every few hours to keep blood levels stable. Although furazabol can successfully be used as a standalone it can be stacked with other compounds depending on the users goals.


Woman should run this compound with other cholesterol lower sups like N2guard. A pct with something like bridge is still a great idea. Keep in mind that Katanadrol is the same as winny and thus a dht derivative. This means it will drop estrogen and progesterone. Hormones that can be important for normal female body functions. DHT means anadrogenic aka manly. So this is not as safe as epi but still one of the much safer compounds on the market for woman.

Because of its extremely short half life if you get sides you can drop the product and they should drop off quickly.

Thank you
 
needtogetaas said:
Katanadrol

Clones: Furaguno, Furazadrol, Furuza-A, Winabol/Winadrol
Nomenclature: 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Chemical Formula: C24H36N2O3

Common Dosages: 150mg to 300 mg daily.
Common Cycle Length: 5-6 Weeks.
Methylated: No
Half-Life: Short (5-6 hours)
Possible Side effects: very mild, reduces good & bad cholesterol, increased anxiety, slightly increased blood Pressure, back pumps and etcetera. Any side effects a woman could expect from a light winny cycle you could expect from this compound. Lose of menstration for a time, deepening of the voice is not common but can happen. Increased sex drive.
Notes: Great cutter, decent strength gains, lean and dry gains best compound for cutting or retaining muscle well cutting for woman. One of the most safest otc steroids for a woman of all otc steroids. However it is still not to be taken lightly.

Through out this write up I will call this compound Katanadrol because this is the highest dosed brand there is and it is one of the purest. Truthfully all other brands are dosed so low they are not even worth taking for even a woman. You ether run this compound at above 200mg a day or dont even bother IMO. Unless you are stacking it with other compounds.


Katanadrol
Directions: As a dietary supplement, adult woman take 150-300mg capsules spread throughout the day. For optimal results, take one serving prior to bed time. On training days take 1 serving prior to workout. For best results use for 4-6 weeks followed by an equal amount of time off. Do not exceed recommended dose.

Katanadrol is a potent non-methylated pro-steroid compound capable of producing incredibly hard, dense muscle gains. It is perfect for athletes looking to get cut and ripped by dramatically increasing muscle definition. It is highly anabolic, minimally androgenic, and does not aromatize in the body. If you are looking for a pro-steroid that will give you quality gains in muscle mass without troubling estrogen related side effects, Katanadrol is the answer for the ladies. It works outstandingly well at preserving muscle mass well trying to cut body fat. Though it pains me to say this the product even works for cardoi bunnies but I still think they should stay away and not waste there time with it. Just use a fat burner.


Katanadrol is not aromatized in the body and is not estrogenic. An additional anti-estrogen should not be necessary and estrogen related side effects should not be a concern. Katanadrol may also act as an antagonist with progesterone, which can help eliminate progesterone related side effects. Progesterone side effects are generally similar to estrogen related side effects, so eliminating them will help enhance lean muscularity.

Additionally, Katanadrol has the ability to suppress levels of sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). SHBG acts to temporarily constrain hormones from exerting activity and SHBG reduces the available percentage of unbound (active) hormone

Furazabol THP(Katanadrol) is the same compound as the illegal anabolic steroid furazabol except it is not 17aa methylated.

F

Once the Katanadrol reaches the stomach, most of the compound is converted to Furazabol (the non-methylated version). Therefore, topical delivery of this compound is probably not worthwhile. Furazabol has a similar structure to the illegal anabolic steroid stanozolol (Winstrol). The only difference is the pyrazole ring has been replaced with a furazan ring.


The half-life of this compound is short, so dosages should be taken every few hours to keep blood levels stable. Although furazabol can successfully be used as a standalone it can be stacked with other compounds depending on the users goals.


Woman should run this compound with other cholesterol lower sups like N2guard. A pct with something like bridge is still a great idea. Keep in mind that Katanadrol is the same as winny and thus a dht derivative. This means it will drop estrogen and progesterone. Hormones that can be important for normal female body functions. DHT means anadrogenic aka manly. So this is not as safe as epi but still one of the much safer compounds on the market for woman.

Because of its extremely short half life if you get sides you can drop the product and they should drop off quickly.

Thank you
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WHOA WHOA. Ok how did I not know that already? Willow may have some katanadol in her near future.
 
RottenWillow said:
WHOA WHOA. Ok how did I not know that already? Willow may have some katanadol in her near future.
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This is exactly why I have made this thread My dear and why I will be adding more and more to it over time.

The next subject I will cover is on cycle support and pct supplements for woman. Its a tough one to cover but if anyone can do it I can :biggrin:
 
I am excited as hell about Katanadrol! I like the information too thank you Need2! As always you have the best info! Holly molly a lot to read but well worth it! I cant wait to try this!
 
Thanks Need2!

Do you have any insight as to the effects of these compounds(specifically Epi and Katanadrol) on appetite?


I noticed on Epi I am beyond hungry, but Katana seems to totally blunt appetite:chomp:. I am sure many diffent factors attribute to this but I'd like your input.

Thank you!
A
 
Yup, I've been toying with the idea of that one as well... just depending on a few things. Solid reviews so far though!
 
anolan05 said:
Thanks Need2!

Do you have any insight as to the effects of these compounds(specifically Epi and Katanadrol) on appetite?


I noticed on Epi I am beyond hungry, but Katana seems to totally blunt appetite:chomp:. I am sure many diffent factors attribute to this but I'd like your input.

Thank you!
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katanadrol is dht that will lower estrogen and progesterone. Estrogen or more sp E2 E3 for woman can play a role in snack cravings for woman. Emotions and estrogen are tightly related for you ladies. When you lower overall estrogen for a woman this may not drop your appetite per say however it can control emotional eating habits or cravings. This may make you feel like its decreasing your appetite when truthfully its just giving you more control over your eating habits..

I know you ladies just hate to admit your emotions control your actions but I have to brake it to you. THEY DO!!!!


Also epi is more anabolic and this of course increases hunger.
 
If Katanadrol is completely non-methylated now that would mean only a portion of each dose would ever become bio-available. How much would need to take to see a significant anabolic effect?
 
RottenWillow said:
If Katanadrol is completely non-methylated now that would mean only a portion of each dose would ever become bio-available. How much would need to take to see a significant anabolic effect?
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Men see great results when useing 250mg every day and above. Truthfully for a woman I would not go much lower then this ether. I have advised Amy to use 250mg every day spread out along with some need2slin. I great little tip for otc steroids like this is one glass of grapefruit juice in the morning will cause enhanced absorption. Taking a hormone like this that would only get about 5-10% conversion to about 20-30% conversion. Added TCLC will cause a up regulation of the androgen receptors again helping the compound work better. Just by using a few tricks of the trade one could turn this into a cycle that would be exactly like taking winstrol only way less sides.

Another little tid bit you may like Willow is not only does it not effect the liver but this compound unlike winstrol has been show to be favorable to your cholesterol levels. Most people know winstrol will kick the crap out of your cholesterol levels but this is not the case with Katanadrol 2.0

Because every other company in the industry made products that were dosed at "50mg" per cap but only gave you 30 caps per bottle. Most people got the impression that 150mg every day was on the higher end of dosing when it fact 150mg every day was on the low low end of dosing this compound. In fact 150mg every day would prob not even show any gains for a woman let alone a man.

This is why when I formulated katanadrol for Mrsupps.com I made sure there was enough in each bottle to run a full 250mg a day for 30 days. This in all honesty is a great dose for woman and a mild dose for men.
 
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needtogetaas said:
Katanadrol

Clones: Furaguno, Furazadrol, Furuza-A, Winabol/Winadrol
Nomenclature: 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Chemical Formula: C24H36N2O3

Common Dosages: 150mg to 300 mg daily.
Common Cycle Length: 5-6 Weeks.
Methylated: No
Half-Life: Short (5-6 hours)
Possible Side effects: very mild, reduces good & bad cholesterol, increased anxiety, slightly increased blood Pressure, back pumps and etcetera. Any side effects a woman could expect from a light winny cycle you could expect from this compound. Lose of menstration for a time, deepening of the voice is not common but can happen. Increased sex drive.
Notes: Great cutter, decent strength gains, lean and dry gains best compound for cutting or retaining muscle well cutting for woman. One of the most safest otc steroids for a woman of all otc steroids. However it is still not to be taken lightly.

Through out this write up I will call this compound Katanadrol because this is the highest dosed brand there is and it is one of the purest. Truthfully all other brands are dosed so low they are not even worth taking for even a woman. You ether run this compound at above 200mg a day or dont even bother IMO. Unless you are stacking it with other compounds.
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Needto, just wondering what other compounds would be stackable with Katanadrol for a woman?
 
Amaryllis said:
Needto, just wondering what other compounds would be stackable with Katanadrol for a woman?
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Epi-strong would make a great stack.. I am going to get into stacking later on for the ladies. Also dermacrine would make another great stack. For a woman wanting to steer clear of compounds that could effect the liver then a dermacrine/katanadrol cycle would be great. Add in something like need2slin and you got a perfect fat burning muscle building combo.

Dermacrine can also be used as a extension of a cycle or a pre pct as well. Then follow that up with bridge as your pct and gear for better muscle recovery which is deff lost when coming off cycle.
 
It really has sparked my interest. I'm about a week into my second Epi cycle, this time at a lower dose with the hopes of running it longer than last time. When would be an ideal time to add in the katanadrol along with the Epi and Need2slin?
 
Amaryllis said:
It really has sparked my interest. I'm about a week into my second Epi cycle, this time at a lower dose with the hopes of running it longer than last time. When would be an ideal time to add in the katanadrol along with the Epi and Need2slin?
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This is definitely got my attention

RD
 
Amaryllis said:
It really has sparked my interest. I'm about a week into my second Epi cycle, this time at a lower dose with the hopes of running it longer than last time. When would be an ideal time to add in the katanadrol along with the Epi and Need2slin?
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Add in need2slin now at 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals.
then at the end of week 2 drop in the katanadrol at 200mg every day and you can then run the epi for 4 weeks, the need2slin for 6 weeks and the katanadrol for 5.

so your cycle would look like this

weeks
1-4 epi-strong dosed ? ( do not know your dose)
2-8 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals
3-8 katanadrol 200mg every day
pct
8-12 bridge 1 cap twice to 3 times a day
8-12 ancient strength 3 caps every day

use the first 4 weeks of the cycle for bulking up as much as you can and then the last 4 weeks you can adjust to a leaner bulk or even cut.
 
needtogetaas said:
Add in need2slin now at 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals.
then at the end of week 2 drop in the katanadrol at 200mg every day and you can then run the epi for 4 weeks, the need2slin for 6 weeks and the katanadrol for 5.

so your cycle would look like this

weeks
1-4 epi-strong dosed ? ( do not know your dose)
2-8 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals
3-8 katanadrol 200mg every day
pct
8-12 bridge 1 cap twice to 3 times a day
8-12 ancient strength 3 caps every day

use the first 4 weeks of the cycle for bulking up as much as you can and then the last 4 weeks you can adjust to a leaner bulk or even cut.
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woo hoooo I feel a purchase coming on...:D
 
Dermacrine.
Dont ever buy dermacrine again. My new RS-transaderm is 60 days worth of the product for less then you would pay for 23 days worth of derma.
Derma takes 10 mins to dry and Rs-transaderm takes 10 seconds to dry. Derma smells like piss and RS-transaderm smells like nothing. More for less!! Better for less
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Pro-Hormones/RS-Transaderm-p105.html
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Pro-Hormones/RS-Transaderm-p105.html
To understand this product we must first understand the two major hormone precursors in the product.

1. DHEA
2. Pregnenolone
And then the secondery helpers in the product Resveratrol ,7,8-Benzoflavone, and chrysin

Let us start with DHEA.

DHEA Occurs naturally naturally in the adrenal glands of the human body. When taken orally DHEA is readily converted in the liver and kidneys into DHEA sulfate a inactive and otherwise useless form of this hormone. Studies also show that oral DHEA converts to estrogen at a higher degree then topical and in fact studies have shown that transdermal dhea does not covert to estrogen at all and at the same time has some positive effects on testosterone.

Physiological changes in dehydroepiandrosterone are not reflected by serum levels of active androgens and estrogens but of their metabolites: intracrinology.

Labrie F, Belanger A, Cusan L, Candas B.

Medical Research Council Group in Molecular Endocrinology, Centre Hospitalier de l'Universite Laval Research Center, Le Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Quebec, Canada.

This study analyzes in detail the serum concentration of the active androgens and estrogens, as well as a series of free and conjugated forms of their precursors and metabolites, after daily application for 2 weeks of 10 mL 20% dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) solution on the skin to avoid first passage through the liver. In men, DHEA administration caused 175%, 90%, 200% and 120% increases in the circulating levels of DHEA and its sulfate (DHEA-S), DHEA-fatty acid esters, and androst-5-ene-3 beta,17 beta-diol, respectively, with a return to basal values 7 days after cessation of the 14-day treatment. Serum androstenedione increased by approximately 80%, whereas serum testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) remained unchanged. In parallel with the changes in serum DHEA, the concentrations of the conjugated metabolites of DHT, namely androsterone glucuronide, androstane-3 alpha,17 beta-diol-G, and androstane-3 beta,17 beta-diol-G increased by about 75%, 50%, and 75%, respectively, whereas androsterone-sulfate increased 115%. No consistent change was observed in serum estrone (E1) or estradiol (E2) in men receiving DHEA, whereas serum E1-sulfate and E2-sulfate were slightly and inconsistently increased by about 20%, and serum cortisol and aldosterone concentrations were unaffected by DHEA administration. Almost superimposable results were obtained in women for most steroids except testosterone, which was about 50% increased during DHEA treatment. This increase corresponded to about 0.8 nM testosterone, an effect undetectable in men because they already have much higher (approximately 15 nM) basal testosterone levels. In women, the serum levels of the conjugated metabolites of DHT, namely androsterone glucuronide, androstane-3 alpha,17 beta-diol-G, androstane-3 beta,17 beta-diol-G, and androsterone-sulfate were increased by 125%, 140%, 120% and 150%, respectively. The present study demonstrates that the serum concentrations of testosterone, DHT, E1, and E2 are poor indicators of total androgenic and estrogenic activity. However, the esterified metabolites of DHT appear as reliable markers of the total androgen pool, because they directly reflect the intracrine formation of androgens in the tissues possessing the steroidogenic enzymes required to transform the inactive precursors DHEA and DHEA-S into DHT. As well demonstrated in women, who synthesize almost all their androgens from DHEA and DHEA-S, supplementation with physiological amounts of exogeneous DHEA permits the biosynthesis of androgens limited to the appropriate target tissues without leakage of significant amounts of active androgens into the circulation. This local or intracrine biosynthesis and action of androgens eliminates the inappropriate exposure of other tissues to androgens and thus minimizes the risks of undesirable masculinizing or other androgen-related side effects of DHEA.

PMID: 9253308 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


So what does this mean for the female Athlete?


DHEA is produced in large numbers within the body and circulates in the blood at higher levels then cortisol and second only to cholesterol. DHEA is converted in the peripheral tissue into MMMMM MMMM good old androstenendione and test too.


NOW FOR THE FEMALE ATHLETE COMES THE GOOD PART!!!

DHEA accounts for only accounts for about 5% of total androgen production in the normal male. However in females it is the major source of all androgen production!!!!! . Making transdermal DHEA a pretty powerful hormone product for woman.
DHEA has also been known to convert at some degree to 7-keto and 7-hydroxy metabolites which appear to have a positive effect on cortisol in the body. Last but not least in the female body ( to a lesser degree males) DHEA when used topically also converted to more powerful fat burning hormones such as 7-oxo-DHEA and 7-beta-DHEA. Something to think about for the female Athletes out there.

When combined with the right ingredetns DHEA can be a awesome cycle for a woman that will give good results with very few side effects.



Next we will Role into Pregnenolone another powerful hormone precursor.

Pregnenolone first off is a powerful neurosteroid and among woman its twice as powerful. Working so well that woman suffering from ( that time of month) have been given this in small amounts by even doctors to help there mood. Not going to go there though :p Back in the 1940's, when researchers started experimenting with the use of pregnenolone, they realized that it could be helpful for people under stress and it could increase energy in those who were fatigued

Pregnenolone is a naturally occurring metabolite that is made in your body. It is often referred to as the ‘mother steroid compound’ because it is the basic raw material for all steroid hormones in the body. This includes cortisone, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and DHEA.

One could argue then that using it could cause a rise in hormones that one would not want. Very true but this will be covered later my friends.

Moving on

The chemical pathways that use Pregnenolone as the precursor in the production of steroid hormones and, indeed, the interrelationships between these hormones themselves, are complex. Like money other steroid hormones pregnenolone is synthesized from cholesterol. In a complex series of steps, cholesterol is broken down into different steroid hormones as the body needs them. It is first synthesized into pregnenolone and used by the body in that form. What is not utilized undergoes a chemical change that "repackages" it into DHEA. DHEA in turns used by the body as DHEA and is also broken down into estrogen and testosterone. This chain of hormones is known as the "steroid pathway."

Optimal levels of Pregnenolone are important for mental health and ability. Pregnenolone is a superhormone that is key to keeping our brains functioning at peak capacity. Some scientists believe it is the most potent memory enhancer of all time. Perhaps what is even more amazing are the studies that demonstrate pregnenolone enhances our ability to perform on the job while heightening feelings of well-being. In other words, this superhormone appears to make us not only smarter but also happier.

Sometimes it is the direct action of Pregnenolone that is beneficial, whereas in other situations the benefits of Pregnenolone flow not from the Pregnenolone itself but from the fact that it is has been used to produce other steroid hormones. Just how much Pregnenolone is used as Pregnenolone or is converted into other hormones depends on a number of factors, not least being your gender

Because of this the product dermacrine can not only work as a perfect starting hormone for new coming females to the hormone game but it can also double as a great pct product for the more advanced hormone users.

Now back to the subject of preventing its conversion to estrogen and progesterone. First off studies have shown that topical preg coverts to progesterone to a much lesser degree but just to be safe dermacrine gives the added effects of Resveratrol , 7,8-Benzoflavone and chrysin.



The first of these Resveratrol is an ‘estrogen blocker’ because of its unique chemical structure which binds to the estrogen receptor, thus inhibiting estrogenic activity.
as seen in many studies this is some outstanding stuff ladies.

Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University

But the main reason it is in this product is to block the action of estrogen and that is exactly what it does.


The 2nd 7,8-Benzoflavone has shown to have positive effects on estrogen metabolism by inducing 2-hydroxylation of estrogens (the preferred clearance pathway, which reduces cancer risk)

Modulation of rabbit and human hepatic cytochrome P-450-catalyzed steroid hydroxylations by alpha-naphthoflavone
GE Schwab, JL Raucy and EF Johnson
Volume 33, Issue 5, pp. 493-499, 05/01/1988

Regioselective 2-hydroxylation of 17beta-estradiol by rat cytochrome P4501B1.
M Rahman, C Hayes Sutter, GL Emmert, and TR Sutter
Toxicol Appl Pharmacol, November 1, 2006; 216(3): 469-78.

Naturally occurring coumarins inhibit 7,12-dimethylbenz[a]anthracene DNA adduct formation in mouse mammary gland
Misty Prince, Cheryl T. Campbell, Taylor A. Robertson, Amy J. Wells, and Heather E. Kleiner
Carcinogenesis, Jun 2006; 27: 1204 - 1213.

Pharmacokinetics and bioavailability of the flavon... [J Pharm Sci. 2008] - PubMed result

WikiGenes -

7,8-benzoflavone and chrysin together have been shown to be very powerful in there action to black estrogen

WikiGenes -

Crysin also has posative effects on nitric oxide production
WikiGenes -


All In all Dermacrine works awesome for the female Athlete. Side effects are minimal to non at all as reported by many. Still it is still important to know that any hormone product can have adverse side effects.

The same side effects one could get from any steroid one could possibly get from this product, however in my 5 years of dealing with the product i have never seen it.. Other then one woman saying it made her breast a little itchy well on it that was the extent of all side effect feed back I have seen.

Cycle this product for woman is anywhere from 2 to 5 pumps rubbed on the upper body once or twice a day for up to 6 weeks.
It can also be used in this manner after a more powerful steroid cycle for a pct.

right now my company ruthless.inc will be set to be the only company to have this product Rlssupplements.com :p:p
^^6^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My company Ruthless was the only exclusive seller of dermacrine for a wile. Except the original makers got scared, greedy, what ever you name it and pulled the product from me. So Like always I said FUCK YOU.... and went and made a better product for less. http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Pro-Hormones/RS-Transaderm-p105.html
 
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Good post. I used the Dermacrine three different times. I can't say that I had noticeable gains in strength or muscle, but I had a very noticeable boost in energy. I also just felt good. Don't really know how to describe it but I just seemed in a better, more positive mood which really helped my attitude in the gym.

Rebecca D
 
Rebecca D said:
Good post. I used the Dermacrine three different times. I can't say that I had noticeable gains in strength or muscle, but I had a very noticeable boost in energy. I also just felt good. Don't really know how to describe it but I just seemed in a better, more positive mood which really helped my attitude in the gym.

Rebecca D
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Yes fr some one at your level dermacrine would make a better pct then cycle.
 
Jennafox said:
Hoping that the info here will help me finally get back into the shape I used to be in (before kids & hormone problems). My husband was researching to help me with stalled/non-existent weight loss when he found this site. He has ordered several of the prod mentioned here to stack as a Christmas gift for me. A little about me. 4 kids, 33, got down to my high school weight & size almost 4 yrs ago but 2 yrs ago had a very stressful transition (we moved, took forever to find & buy a home, in the mean-time I was living with in-laws & family so I had no control over the food in the house, etc). I re-gained 60+ lbs in just 7 mo. Since then my hormones have been messed up & weight loss has been just about impossible. I have tried fat burners, energy boosters, I have done some of the more popular "as seen on TV" workouts (did a full cycle of Chalean Extreme & a full cycle of P90X) - all with no more than about a 5 lb loss & minimal improvement in sizes. I am stronger & have more energy but that's about it. Before this I could lose a good 2-5 lbs a week, gain lean muscle, & drop a size a month or more without even adjusting my diet & no supplementation. I am really hoping that doing a cycle of these supps will kick-start some progress for me.

I was wondering what changes/progress I might expect with 1 cycle if I keep my eating clean & workout consistently? Sorry if I sound foolish - I actually used to be quite fit & had no need for supplements to help, I built muscle & dropped fat without difficulty but lately it just seems like a losing battle.
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well it would have to do a lot with how your diet and training looked and other things.

If I were you i would have gotten some blood test done first. Checking all of your hormone levels as well as a full test on your thyroid levels as well.
 
My dr already ran a bunch of bloodwork & said my thyroid is functioning properly & my hormone levels appear normal. Not sure why I am having trouble losing weight. I have gotten a bit smaller & notably stronger but not as much progress as my husband & I would have expected with the diet we have both been maintaining & the workouts. Most people that I know that have gone through a full 90 rotation of P90X have had very obvious results. While I notice a difference in the mirror I have not had results that most of my friends would notice. When I lost the weight the first time I did it in just under 4 mo with P90 (which is a lot less intense than P90X). My diet was okay but I was not as careful as I have been over the last 6 mo or so (I have been trying to lose the weight again for the last 2 yrs but not always consistent since frustration at lack of progress makes me want to give up completely sometimes). Since I was able to do it before in such a short amount of time I was really surprised when I tried again with a more difficult routine & only lost 5 lbs & no sizes in 3+ mo).
 
I saw that the dosage for Epi-strong is 2.5 mg 3 times a day. Mine just arrived (from MrSupps) & it is in 15 mg gelcaps. So how can I split that into 2.5 mg 3 times a day? My husband said this was the only dosage per capsule he found.
 
There are several epi logs in the women's section. Mine is there but there are other one's as well. Please read as many as you can before you begin. I loved being on the epi but there are risk involved. (Beware of the scratchy throat). You can PM me or any of the other ladies if you have any questions. Good Luck.

Rebecca D
 
Jennafox said:
I saw that the dosage for Epi-strong is 2.5 mg 3 times a day. Mine just arrived (from MrSupps) & it is in 15 mg gelcaps. So how can I split that into 2.5 mg 3 times a day? My husband said this was the only dosage per capsule he found.
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open up a cap and poor out the powder. Split that powder into 3 little equal piles. Now you have 3 piles that are 5mg each. A half of one of these is 2.5mg :biggrin::biggrin:

If you want help you can call me any time btw.
 
Hi All,

Haven;t been here in a while, but I wanted to share my experience with katanadrol so far! Been using it for the first 4 weeks of my contest prep and I'm down 6% BF and only 2lbs lost on the scale... WOOOT! I love this stuff, no sides for me AT ALL. Just ordered my second bottle:D Have been running it at 5 caps a day split evenly. Happy lady, right here!
 
Amaryllis said:
Hi All,

Haven;t been here in a while, but I wanted to share my experience with katanadrol so far! Been using it for the first 4 weeks of my contest prep and I'm down 6% BF and only 2lbs lost on the scale... WOOOT! I love this stuff, no sides for me AT ALL. Just ordered my second bottle:D Have been running it at 5 caps a day split evenly. Happy lady, right here!
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Katanadrol is by far the best steroid for contest prep hands down. Even better then any e-legal steroid out there. You are getting all the great effects of winstrol with little to non of the side effects. Also the katanadrol ups body temp a little more then winstrol does. Maybe a lot more I should say. If its working right you should be noticing the night sweats like crazy. Almost like men would with tren. Sheets drenched with sweet lololol its good stuff for cutting the fat.
 
needtogetaas said:
Men see great results when useing 250mg every day and above. Truthfully for a woman I would not go much lower then this ether. I have advised Amy to use 250mg every day spread out along with some need2slin. I great little tip for otc steroids like this is one glass of grapefruit juice in the morning will cause enhanced absorption. Taking a hormone like this that would only get about 5-10% conversion to about 20-30% conversion. Added TCLC will cause a up regulation of the androgen receptors again helping the compound work better. Just by using a few tricks of the trade one could turn this into a cycle that would be exactly like taking winstrol only way less sides.

Another little tid bit you may like Willow is not only does it not effect the liver but this compound unlike winstrol has been show to be favorable to your cholesterol levels. Most people know winstrol will kick the crap out of your cholesterol levels but this is not the case with Katanadrol 2.0

Because every other company in the industry made products that were dosed at "50mg" per cap but only gave you 30 caps per bottle. Most people got the impression that 150mg every day was on the higher end of dosing when it fact 150mg every day was on the low low end of dosing this compound. In fact 150mg every day would prob not even show any gains for a woman let alone a man.

This is why when I formulated katanadrol for Mrsupps.com I made sure there was enough in each bottle to run a full 250mg a day for 30 days. This in all honesty is a great dose for woman and a mild dose for men.
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Let's us know if/when there's a sale, N2.


https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Katanadrol-v2.0_34.aspx
 
DEFINATELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE STEROID PROFILES HERE & even legal...Need 2 not sure if you have had a chance to cover Beastdrol, but damn it is a great one if you are looking for strength. Might be a good topic and I certainly would love to find out more on the legal side of things available and sides...
 
needtogetaas said:
Methylepitiostanol and Methepitiostane
We are talking about two different steroids yet also the same. For the hard core gear heads out there please dont bother busting my chops about the difference of the two. I know there is a difference. However for the most part there really is no different lmao. OK sorry ladies I know I just confused the heck out of you. Let me make it very very simple and easy for you. Methepitiostane aka havoc aka 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol is the same but different. All Females just ignore havoc and do not even use it. Its a slight ( and I mean slight) bit more Androgenic then the rest although so little that its not even recorded as such in any literature. Epi-strong,epistane and anthing epi is what you want ladies. So thin epi and not havoc ok.


Epi-strong,Epistane, (these are the name brands woman want)
Nomenclature:
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol <-- this is what woman want the ingredient in the product to be
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H30OS
Molecular Weight: 320.5
Anabolic to Androgenic 1,100/91
Common Dosages: 2.5mg to 5mg doses administered 1 to 3 times a day spread out.
Common Cycle Length: 4-5 Weeks.
Methylated: Yes
Half-Life: Average (6-8 hours)
Possible Side effects: Heptatoxicity (Liver), sore/dry joints, puffy/sensitive nipples, back/calf pumps, increased libido, acne, spotting to nonexistent bleeding during menstrual cycle,rasping of the voice to deepening of the voice and or on set of masculinization.
Notes: One of the safest and most popular legal steroids among woman do to its very low Androgenic properties.

Methylepitiostanol is a methylated version of the steroid Epitiostanol. It is readily active and does not require conversion. Epi is derived from Dihydrotestosterane and is c17-alpha alkylated with a favorable balance(for woman) between anabolic and androgenic effects. In fact its about 12 times more anabolic then it is androgenic. The A/A ratio makes epi-strong one of the best available choices for woman especially in those females looking for dramatic strength and muscle size gains.

Methylepitiostanol was first described in 1966 as part of a investigation of A-ring modified androstane derivatives. During this time is when it was first studied for its anabolic androgenic potency using the standard rat testing procedures.
Although the testing proved this drug was really quite remarkable and favorably safe for both men and woman it never made it to market as a pharmaceutical drug and a patten was never formed for its use. likewise it never made it past rat testing onto human subjects at the pharmacological level Until some forty years later when it was first introduced to the supplement industry in 2006.

Methylepitiostanol has been reported to be very effective at reducing breast tissue growth in men. It has also been reported by some woman to reduce overall breast size at times (but returns normal after discontinuation of the drug). This is likely do to its antagonistic effects on estrogen. Moreover a good indication as to why it was first looked into as a drug for breast cancer treatment.

Methylepitiostanol/epi-strong/Epistane/havoc can not and will not convert to estrogen but there have been many reports of products that supposedly contain this compound causing gyno. One of the main reasons for this is the fact that Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT). I will say it again so that you females can grasp the severity of what I am saying. Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT),

Other reasons why reports of gyno from this compound have been popping up can be do to androgen receptor cross over( http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/receptor-cross-over-710073.html) and of course impurity of the product being used. Any reports of pure properly stored Methylepitiostanol causing gyno are mostly unsubstantiated thus leaving the only real explanation being receptor crossover.

As long as woman get a pure compound and a properly stored product Methylepitiostanol is one of the best legal steroids she can get. This is why i highly stress only dealing with a trusted company and or brand of product. There is 0 room for error when it comes to this compound and its use be females.


for woman Methylepitiostanol is the safest bulking compound there is. Yes bulking! For men its moderate to weak for bulking but for woman Methylepitiostanol is your number one choice for adding good hard size to your frame. Upwards of 10-20lb of hard muscle can be added to a woman's frame when using this compound.

To give you a idea of what I am talking about I will share the results of one female Athlete I consulted not to long ago. This Athlete is a MMA fighter on the fast track to earning her pro status. In fact last I knew one fight away from it ( which i heard she won). The particular fight I had been advising her for was her second and in order to fight the woman she needed to fight she had to move up a weight class. Sitting at 130 something lbs she needed to add on at least another 8-10lb in order to move up to the heavyweight class that she needed to be at.
In 4 weeks time using Methylepitiostanol 5mg twice a day she was sitting at a massive 149lb and needed to stop the cycle and use a sweat suit to get down to the perfect fighting weight. Make no mistake she is a well trained Athlete with seasoned muscles. She was training hard and long and still able to add all that extra muscle.

without a doubt epi can be effectively used as a muscle size and strength gaining compound by female athletes of all kinds. With a proper recomp diet it can also be used as a powerful recompositioning compound as well. By adjusting dosing and diet this compound can work both ways however it is not the most favorable compound for woman just looking to "lose weight". Cardio bunnies need not apply for this one. It is a compound strictly for woman looking to both lose bf% AND GAIN MUSCLE. sever low calorie diets along with lots of cardoi will render this compound practically useless at a females dose. Running it at recommended male doses will cause sever side effects.

Although Methylepitiostanol is best used for bulking by females. Hard core, highly experience females have used Methylepitiostanol
during contest prepping. IMO this is not its most effective means of use and there are much better compounds for this more on this later).

A cycle of Methylepitiostanol for a beginner would look something like this.

weeks
1-4 epi-strong 2.5mg 3 times a day
https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Epi---Strong---Buy-One-Get-One-Freee_27.aspx
1-4 N2guard 2 caps 3 times a day
N2GUARD
pct
4-8 bridge 1 cap twice a day.

Keep in mind using steroids of any kind can cause side effects. and I will say again I nether endorse nor do I condone the use of steroids,legal steroids, or pro hormones by a woman or member of the female sex. This is a choice that is in your hands and your hands alone not mine or anyone else. Just remember this is big choice and should not be taken lightly. I will be writing a lot in this thread and adding to it all the time. Through out this time I will repeat this ^^ many many times.

Drinking Alcohol,smoking cigarettes, having unprotected intercourse, eating 5 triple cheese burgers a day , or doing all of these at once is also your choice. All of these choices can have equally long lasting effects to your body and way of life. no one can make any of these choices for you and no ones can force them on you ether.

I am not giving anyone advice nor am I a doctor or a medical professional. I am only writing what I know and have learned overtime from many different sources of information. What I write comes from the experience of others, my own study of literature, and a collective composite of others knowledge and understanding all brought together into one source of information. I have choices to share all of this with you however the choice to use this information is still in our hands and your hands alone..

Thank you. I will be back again to cover more. hope to see you all. :qt::qt:
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LADIES NEED TO READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...itnutrition-com-limited-time-only-755125.html
 
I actually have two bottles of epistrong left. I decided to run 1/2 cap a day during June. As before, I had very good results. Felt stronger and had more energy. After 3 weeks I was stronger and tighter. But, as before, the scratchy throat started to kick in so I quit after 3 weeks. (Better safe than sorry). Just thought I would share this. I love taking epi, but I am am very cautious about the voice. Epistrong does give results, but remember it can give sides and the voice is one of the first sides to show up. Tips for women taking epi....keep dose low, 5-10 mg/day tops. Diet must be strict. Workouts must be consistent and intense. If you feel like you got a head cold or sore throat then be very cautious. Don't increase dose once you start even though you will want to.

Rebecca D
 
Rebecca D said:
I actually have two bottles of epistrong left. I decided to run 1/2 cap a day during June. As before, I had very good results. Felt stronger and had more energy. After 3 weeks I was stronger and tighter. But, as before, the scratchy throat started to kick in so I quit after 3 weeks. (Better safe than sorry). Just thought I would share this. I love taking epi, but I am am very cautious about the voice. Epistrong does give results, but remember it can give sides and the voice is one of the first sides to show up. Tips for women taking epi....keep dose low, 5-10 mg/day tops. Diet must be strict. Workouts must be consistent and intense. If you feel like you got a head cold or sore throat then be very cautious. Don't increase dose once you start even though you will want to.

Rebecca D
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Great info and experience girl thank you
 
Hi, I am new to this thread and website, but this sticky caught my attention.

Even though I am not thinking of starting any anabolic substance, seeing as it is a huge temptation but I am not sure I have reached a point in my fitness life, where I need to do so.

What I have been contemplating though, is using natural test boosters like Animal Stak and using IGF-2 supplements, to take my training and muscle building progress to a new level.

Just a little background about me, I have been lifting weights since 2003, off and on. I have been consistent with my training and diet, for a year and a half now. Whether it be for cutting or bulking. Right now, I am on a bulk to 180 lbs. I have gained about 15 lbs since I have started.

Would you suggest or recommend Animal Stak and IGF-2 to a female bodybuilder? Do you know of any side effects that they may have? As your first post mentioned, a lot of information on anything related to testosterone, is limited towards females. I am thinking of messaging you with this just in case you don't see it here.

Thanks in advance for any help you give me.
 
Good to have you strongwoman,

My personal experience has not been that great with natural test boosters. Probably my favorite has been zma just because it makes me sleep much deeper. I have tried products similar to animal stack and not been overly impressed. I had a "better feeling" in the gym and better pumps and energy, but I only had minimal strength and size gains. No sides though. (never tried igf-2)

I have never done roids but had tremendous success with epistrong. It will work, but it will bring sides as well. Play around with the natural t-boosters first and see what happens, different things work differently for different people. (say that fast three times). Just don't spend a ton of $$ until you experiment a little. I would stay away from prohormones and roids until you are ready to compete, and even then I would be cautious. Remember, sides are forever.

Rebecca D
 
Rebecca D said:
Good to have you strongwoman,

My personal experience has not been that great with natural test boosters. Probably my favorite has been zma just because it makes me sleep much deeper. I have tried products similar to animal stack and not been overly impressed. I had a "better feeling" in the gym and better pumps and energy, but I only had minimal strength and size gains. No sides though. (never tried igf-2)

I have never done roids but had tremendous success with epistrong. It will work, but it will bring sides as well. Play around with the natural t-boosters first and see what happens, different things work differently for different people. (say that fast three times). Just don't spend a ton of $$ until you experiment a little. I would stay away from prohormones and roids until you are ready to compete, and even then I would be cautious. Remember, sides are forever.

Rebecca D
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Honey I hate to brake it to you but yes you have done Roids babe. Epi-strong is not a pro hormones or a pre curser it is a str8 all out steroid in every sense of the world.

It needs no enzymes within the body (skin, stomach, liver) in order to make it a complete hormone it is already complete like all steroids are..


As for Natural test boosters that will " work" for woman I have covered that in this thread. Bridge and or Rs-transaderm are two products ( hormone Precursors) That will work.. If anyone wants advice on how to cycle them hit me up in a pm always around
 
I guess I should have been clearer. I have never done traditional (illegal) steroids such as var or winny. I should be clear when giving advice. I know all to well that epistrong is a steroid. My gains were through the roof and my sides, while minimal, were sides. (slight voice rasp). I have never had great results with test boosters, but I also think that taking otc test boosters after doing a couple of cycles of epi (and one of beast--wow) that even if it did help a little I couldn't tell.

The benefits of these products are great, but make sure you fully understand the risk involved before you proceed. Overall, I am happy with my experience. The support and advice I received from Needto--he called me honey..tee hee hee--and Rotton Willow really helped me make an educated decision. I proceeded with caution, worked out hard and was spot on when I dieted.

Merry Christmas to all the wonderful people at EF:stilleto:
 
Hey babe If I sounded rude please please forgive me that is not at all what I wanted to sound like...I some times ( ok all he time) have very little time so I just get the message out and forget that I have qouted some one so they assume I am talking at them or two them. Your awesome D and you know I love you so please forgive me for being a dink.

Getting back to the topic D have you ever used the Rs-transaderm and or the Bridge product with some need2slin added in? If not then I would love to send you this stack for you to log for the ladies here. Look you have done the super powerful anabolic androgenic stuff. So if a natural product is worth taking then you would know. So that is why I ask. you may have tried many natural products but have you used mine? Have you used them the way I would have laid it out for you and in the stack I would have given? ... When it comes to natural products ( and again Rs-transaderm is really a step above natural its a precursor hormone) It takes a lot of knowledge and understanding to be able to 1. Put a formula together with the exact amounts of everything needed. 2 know what works well with what in combination with what to be able to make a good product. 3. know what each and every ingredient is doing within the body for both males and females 4. Then a honest person who will not take 2nd best to go out and get all the best damn ingredients money can buy and put it all into a product. 5 Then Know how to stack all the products synergistic to help some one . And this is just the ip of it and that is why there is so few products out there that are worth taking and even when they are you have to know how to use them , when to use them, why you are using them and how to stack them all. No wounder supplements get a bad rap...

You look around here on elite and any site I sponsor though and what do you see. You see people getting results from the supplements they are taking. Not all of them mine ether. Because the people of the forums I sponsor have me and my N2Bm family out helping them learn.. Now I would love to show you how to stack some products to get some bad ass results D.. Make you a convert of Sups...
 
Needto,

I used dermacrine several years ago and loved it. I kind of consider it a little above natural test booster though. It gave me a great feeling and more energy during workouts...and no sides that I noticed. I assume RS-transaderm is similar, if so then I need to give it a try.

I have never tried the need2slin but I "need to"--clever huh. I am always good for a honest log.

I did try bridge once after finishing a cycle of epistrong. This was where I couldn't tell what was the epi still working or the bridge keeping me at that level. Anyway, I would be willing to try it again.

I'll send you a message telling you my goals and see what you can put together.

Thanks for all your hard work

Rebecca D:sassy::sassy:
 
Hi, I see that you guys have actually responded to my post. Hopefully you needto, can respond to this one.

I am going to be purchasing the Need2Slin in a few weeks, as soon as I place my check into my account and it clears. I was wondering, as the Rs-Transaderm is something that you may recommended to a female, would it cause any side effects if I run it for 4 weeks? I see that you don't have to take any PCT if you run it for that limited amount of time. Also, would I have to purchase Bridge, if I decide to use Rs?

Finally, would Rs provide me any uncomfortable side effects like the raspy voice etc. I mean raspy voice is nice and all, but I think that would be a tell-tale sign to a lot of people around me, that I have sided to go for the Ph. Just want to keep this to myself to be honest.

Anyways, hope you respond so I know what to add to my shopping cart.
 
strongfemale2012 said:
Hi, I see that you guys have actually responded to my post. Hopefully you needto, can respond to this one.

I am going to be purchasing the Need2Slin in a few weeks, as soon as I place my check into my account and it clears. I was wondering, as the Rs-Transaderm is something that you may recommended to a female, would it cause any side effects if I run it for 4 weeks? I see that you don't have to take any PCT if you run it for that limited amount of time. Also, would I have to purchase Bridge, if I decide to use Rs?

Finally, would Rs provide me any uncomfortable side effects like the raspy voice etc. I mean raspy voice is nice and all, but I think that would be a tell-tale sign to a lot of people around me, that I have sided to go for the Ph. Just want to keep this to myself to be honest.

Anyways, hope you respond so I know what to add to my shopping cart.
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Although for men Rs-transaderm is a lot more on the light side for woman it can be just a small step below a steroid. However I have never heard of anyone getting the rasp voice from Rs-transaderm though. You will not need the bridge and it will stack perfectly fine with Need2slin . Yes I would run it 3 pumps am and another 3pumps pm to be honest I like split dosing with any transdermal. Run it 4 weeks then take a few weeks brake.
 
Rebecca D said:
Needto,

I used dermacrine several years ago and loved it. I kind of consider it a little above natural test booster though. It gave me a great feeling and more energy during workouts...and no sides that I noticed. I assume RS-transaderm is similar, if so then I need to give it a try.

I have never tried the need2slin but I "need to"--clever huh. I am always good for a honest log.

I did try bridge once after finishing a cycle of epistrong. This was where I couldn't tell what was the epi still working or the bridge keeping me at that level. Anyway, I would be willing to try it again.

I'll send you a message telling you my goals and see what you can put together.

Thanks for all your hard work

Rebecca D:sassy::sassy:
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Hey and always remind me of what I say out on the forums so I do not forget lol... Send me another will put together this cycle for you. Yes the Rs-trnsaderm is the same as the dermacrine only we give you 8 weeks worth in a bottle and the dilivery system dries faster
 
I'm a noob at this and just joined the forum....I was really hot on getting some epi-strong and it's no longer available. What gives with that? It seemed to be extraordinarily popular....? Is epistane as good, and is it available anywhere at the moment?
 
runningonempty said:
I'm a noob at this and just joined the forum....I was really hot on getting some epi-strong and it's no longer available. What gives with that? It seemed to be extraordinarily popular....? Is epistane as good, and is it available anywhere at the moment?
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Very few places left that sell this ( that I trust)... Myopharma Epibolin (Epistane/Havoc) <--- little unknown brand that is not to bad. Like the epi-strong they doses this at 15mg a cap too smart people running this place. If they had added the LCLT it be perfect.
 
I have a question about HCG and the HCG diet... If I order the injectables... do I still do 5000iu a week in one injection every 5 days?
 
I am interested in this thread being active again. It looks like most of the stuff mentioned in previous posts are obsoluete now. What are some of the new options women have for getting lean and getting cut?
 
jjjbluray said:
I am interested in this thread being active again. It looks like most of the stuff mentioned in previous posts are obsoluete now. What are some of the new options women have for getting lean and getting cut?
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Nothing in this thread is obsoluete.. Matter of fact you can still get everything I have mentioned in this thread and if you have any trouble finding it send me a PM. I know how to get everything and then some trust me. ;););)
 
Need2- Do women need anything for PCT after running a cycle of the new Katanadrol? Been looking for an answer without much luck.
 
CML0915 said:
Need2- Do women need anything for PCT after running a cycle of the new Katanadrol? Been looking for an answer without much luck.
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I am glad you have asked this question as its a subject I have been looking into more and more every day. Female PCT or PCT for a woman Is much more complicated than pct for a man. Woman have a completely different HPTA regeneration process. For decades though the myth that woman do not need a pct has become something of a Staple peace of advice past down from generation to generation.

Albeit your pct is going to be a lot more easy than that of a man, this in no way means woman do not have any recovering to do after a cycle. After all I have been saying for almost a decade now that there is a lot more to pct than just recovery of the HPTA.. Keeping your gains, Neurotransmitter recovery, The mental aspect of being on, Recovery of energy, recovery of the other systems AAS have an effect on of which there is many.



The proper functioning of the adrenal gland can and will dictate the HPTA recovery. Though the topic can get confusing. The adrenal gland should make the necessary amount of hormones in a balance, without producing too much or too little. One of the major hormones made by the adrenal gland is cortisol But this is only one of many.

Next we have The thyroid. The thyroid gland makes two thyroid hormones which affect metabolism, body temperature, muscle strength, bone health, skin dryness, menstrual cycles, weight and cholesterol levels. Again, balance is key when it comes to these hormones.



So a couple of things we want to do for female pct.
1. Lower cortisol
2. Slightly raise DHEA
3. Restore Thyroid functions
4. Replace the androgens in the AR continuing and or maintaining muscle growth.
5. Keep estrogen and prolactin rebound in check.


Right now I am working on a product designed specifically designed for all of the above reasons.. However for now its going to take a combo of products which in reading over this thread you will see I have been recommending over and over again from the start...

1. Start Need2slin 2 weeks before the cycle is over and run it 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before emals and run it 4 weeks past the cycle.. 1 bottle will last you the entire 6 weeks if run at the above does. This weekend only we got a sale going on buy 2 get one free us discount code Freeslin5..

2. The day the cycle ends start Bridge 1 cap am and pm every day for 4 weeks.

3. Sarms "MK-2866" 12.5mg (Half of 25mg dose) once in the morning and once at night for 6 weeks starting the day the cycle ends . You can run this longer if you like...

...This last peace of advice is optional but its something I have wanted to start adding to female pct for a long time now... Please Read the following study/information.....



http://www.endojournals.org/site/abstracts/P2-1_to_P2-500.pdf


P2-2
A 12-Week Pharmacokinetic and Pharmacodynamic
Study of Two Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators
(SARMs) in Postmenopausal Subjects.
E E Marcantonio MD, PhD1, R E Witter BA1, Y Ding PhD1, Y Xu PhD1, J Klappenbach PhD1, Y Wang PhD1
, P H Wong PhD1, F Liu PhD1, JA Chodakewitz MD1, J A Wagner MD, PhD1 and S A Stoch MD1.
1Merck and Co Whitehouse Station, NJ.
BACKGROUND/AIMS: SARMs target the androgen receptor in different tissues to elicit a desired androgen effect
(increased lean body mass [LBM] and muscle strength) without causing mechanism-based adverse events. This study
was designed to identify the SARM-like profiles of MK-3984 and MK-2866 (Ostarine) in healthy postmenopausal (PMP)
women by evaluating specific pharmacodynamic endpoints.
METHODS: This was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel group study in 88 healthy, PMP women
(mean age 57 yr, range 46-72) randomized to 4 treatments in a 1:1:1:1 ratio (see Table for procedures).
Procedure Day
DEXA (LBM) 1 and 84
MRI-thigh muscle volume 1, 28 and 84 (∼1/2 of subjects)
One repetition maximum bilateral leg press 1 and 84
5 mm skin punch biopsy 1†, 14‡,84†
TVU 1 and 84
†For sebaceous gland volume and qPCR
‡For qPCR only
RESULTS: After 12 weeks of treatment, both MK-3984 and MK-2866 significantly increased LBM from baseline. A mean
difference of LBM from baseline versus placebo was observed as 1.54 kg (p-value < 0.001) for both 3 mg of MK-2866
and 50 mg of MK-3984, and 1.74 kg (p-value < 0.001) for 125 mg of MK-3984. All three doses of the SARMs led to an
increase in thigh muscle volume compared to placebo at 4 weeks, persisting through 12 weeks of treatment. In
addition, there was a dose dependent increase for MK-3984 in leg muscle strength after 12 weeks compared to placebo.
MK-3984 and MK-2866 did not significantly increase total sebaceous gland volume compared to placebo. No difference
in endometrial thickness as assessed by transvaginal ultrasound (TVU) or in vaginal bleeding post-medroxyprogesterone
acetate challenge between either dose of MK-3984 or MK-2866 and placebo was observed. Elevations in liver enzymes
of > 3X upper limit of normal at both the 50 and 125 mg qd dose of MK-3984 resulted in the discontinuation of 7
subjects, but did not occur for the 3 mg dose of MK-2866.
Conclusion: Both MK-3984 and MK-2866 are generally safe and well tolerated in PMP women, with the exception of the
aforementioned liver enzyme elevations observed with MK-3984. Pharmacodynamic results from this study indicate that
both MK-3984 and MK-2866 exhibits SARM-like properties in their ability to increase LBM, thigh muscle volume and leg
strength, while having little to no effect on markers of skin androgenization (sebaceous gland volume, sebum excretion
rate, assay of androgenization hair follicle gene expression) or endometrial proliferation.
Disclosures: EEM: Employee, Merck & Co. REW: Employee, Merck & Co. YD: Employee, Merck & Co. YX: Employee,
Merck & Co. JK: Employee, Merck & Co. YW: Employee, Merck & Co. PHW: Employee, Merck &
 
wow this is just what i was looking for. Ive been training for about a year eating really well and have taken the choice to go down the extra help shall we say route. Ive been offered Tri Tren & winstrol and ive read that anavar is good for women Im not keen on taking this tri tren as ive read its not good for women. I really could do with out turning into a man as Im getting divorced and could do with meeting a new man one day soon lol :) So do i see if my mate can get hold of this Methylepitiostanol???? Really want to get started ASAP.
Thanks
 
Not sure if my last reply worked??? I cant see it. Sorry Im new!!!! I will try again. I have been looking for ages for something like this. I have been training hard for a year and eat clean but need a little extra help. My mate can get Tri Tren & Winstrol but Im not keen on the Tren as ive read its not for women. So do I get the Winstrol off him or do I see if he can get Anavar or if he can get this Methylepitiostanol???? Looking forward to your replies wanna get on is ASAP :o)
x
 
sassalj said:
wow this is just what i was looking for. Ive been training for about a year eating really well and have taken the choice to go down the extra help shall we say route. Ive been offered Tri Tren & winstrol and ive read that anavar is good for women Im not keen on taking this tri tren as ive read its not good for women. I really could do with out turning into a man as Im getting divorced and could do with meeting a new man one day soon lol :) So do i see if my mate can get hold of this Methylepitiostanol???? Really want to get started ASAP.
Thanks
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Methylepitiostanol Aka Epi-strong you can get at Mrsupps.com so its easy to get. Do you know how you will be using it in a proper cycle?
 
needtogetaas

What kind of PCT would epi-strong require?
Do you think epistane from IBE would be a reliable brand to choose??

Thank you
 
For PCT, it's relatively simple for women. I only use a bottle of Bridge from NTBM and I'm good to go. The post cycle/unleashed combo is also a good choice, as is Forma from MrSupps. Any one of those three will be fine.
 
For a female? Why would you do that and risk the rebound from such a powerful substance?

Do what I said please.
 
I m sorry, I m a n00b and I m just trying to understand how the whole thing works.:freak:
I actually live in EU so many of the stuff you recomend is not available for me.

I didnt get you. Would Nolvadex do a rebound? How so? It s an anti-estrogen,right? :confused:
I mean it blocks estrogen receptors. If taken in small dose, wouldnt it work for preventing estr. rebound after epistane??
 
BroomHilda said:
I m sorry, I m a n00b and I m just trying to understand how the whole thing works.:freak:
I actually live in EU so many of the stuff you recomend is not available for me.

I didnt get you. Would Nolvadex do a rebound? How so? It s an anti-estrogen,right? :confused:
I mean it blocks estrogen receptors. If taken in small dose, wouldnt it work for preventing estr. rebound after epistane??
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Just saw this, needto said he talked to you, but do NOT use nolva. Yes you'll see a rebound especially if not administered properly. Why would you use a rough drug like nolva when you could just use an over the counter product like Bridge or Unleashed?

Do not use nolva for pct, end of story
 
weeks
1-4 epi-strong 2.5mg 3 times a day
1-4 N2guard 2 caps 3 times a day
PCT
4-8 bridge 1 cap twice a day.

And yes n2slin can be added, 1 cap 3x a day 30min before meals w carbs. You can save it for PCT or run it the entire time weeks 1-8, I've done that before and enjoyed it
 
psizzle_8 said:
weeks
1-4 epi-strong 2.5mg 3 times a day
1-4 N2guard 2 caps 3 times a day
PCT
4-8 bridge 1 cap twice a day.

And yes n2slin can be added, 1 cap 3x a day 30min before meals w carbs. You can save it for PCT or run it the entire time weeks 1-8, I've done that before and enjoyed it
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Ok thanks for the info :-) I also want to do a cycle of katanadrol v3 some time in the near future how long do u suggest waiting in between cycles?
 
Fitmommy1114 said:
I forgot to add, what is the n2gear for?

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N2guard or Gear?

N2guard is an all on one cycle support.. covers liver, heart ,kidneys cholesterol, blood pressure, prostate, skin etc its essential and way cheaper than buying products separately

Gear is protein but there is much more to it than that and I don't want to sell the stuff short cos I don't know jack about it really

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