Top Ten Creationist Arguments Part 1 and 2

[cindylou]

Last I checked there were Jews and Romans making the records in Jerusalem...Indians weren't power players. People looking at "prophecy" are just trying to confirm their bias. How do you explain a lack of historical record for the resurrection of Jesus based on biblical accounts? The Bible is quite clear that not only did Jesus arise from the dead but EVERY dead person in Jerusalem rose from the dead and walked around greeting their friends and family...I'm pretty sure someone would have written down the fact every dead person in Jerusalem rose from the dead with Jesus and walked around greeting their family members.

Okay wait a minute. What? The bible is quite clear that EVERY dead person in Jerusalem rose from the dead and walked around greeting their friends and family? Wow Java. I love how you used "quite clear" and then EVERY like that. LMFAO.

Not every dead person in Jerusalem rose from the dead. It does not even say that anywhere so I don't see how that is VERY CLEAR THAT EVERY DEAD PERSON rose from the dead and walked around. There wouldn't be enough room in Jerusalem for people to stand. Think about it. When was the last time you read the gospels? Have you even read them? I guess it has been a minute. Where else did you hear or read that the gospels say that? Who told you that? Who are you listening to? I didn't know you thought that...some people did raise from the dead but not ALL the dead...not EVERY dead person, no the bible is NOT quite clear about that. You sound so sure of yourself...

 

[ledhead]

Belief and popularity are not proof of anything...quotations from chairman Mao is the second best selling book of all time and Candle in the Wind by Elton John is the best selling single of all time....What's your point? When Islam becomes the largest religion in the world will you convert?

My point is to expose your lack of knowledge in this subject. I will quote you, you said, "there are only two references to Jesus outside the bible." I gave you a third reference, so you can see that you are wrong. I severely doubt that I would consider converting to Islam, considering I have at least 20-25 confirmed and probably over a 100 probables. I would be such a hypocrite.

I never would have guessed the bible was written in pen, thanks for letting me in on that one. I suppose if there was typewriters in 40 A.D. the bible would still be in tack, right? Just think if there would have been information technology back then, you would be totally converted. What about the men that fought in the Crimean War? Can you find their actual discharge papers? If not, then that war never happened according to your philosophy. That war supposedly occurred only 150 yrs ago.

Actually, White Christmas by Bing Crosby is the best selling single of all time, but who keeps a record of that stuff?

Glenn Beck reads off a teleprompter, kinda like what you do with the YouTube videos.

 

[bigpokey]

Glenn Beck reads off a teleprompter, kinda like what you do with the YouTube videos.

^THIS x 9999999 milligreens

 

[Mr. dB]

I suppose if there was typewriters in 40 A.D. the bible would still be in tack, right?

"In tack"???

 

[ledhead]

"In tack"???

Lol... I guess I could have used a better word. However, the word does fit (to secure something). I suppose a typewriter would have made the bible more secure opposed to a pen. At least that's what Java is trying to get across.

 

[javaguru]

Matthew 27:51-53

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Where is the historical record of this zombie plague upon Jerusalem? Nobody recorded the earthquake? There would have been plenty of Roman officials to record this event. All these saints appeared and only Jesus is recorded by name in the Bible? WTF? If I'm a saint I should get my mother fucking props...Jesus was obviously that douchebag that stabs you in the back at work after you helped him get where he is...

 

[javaguru]

Lol... I guess I could have used a better word. However, the word does fit (to secure something). I suppose a typewriter would have made the bible more secure opposed to a pen. At least that's what Java is trying to get across.

No, that isn't my point, I can obtain a copy of some conspirator rag that claims the United States only landed on the moon thanks to the 1948 Roswell alien crash. They claim to have living first person accounts of those alien spaceship crashes and the cover ups as well as redacted govt documents proving their position; Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

 

[javaguru]

You only want to apply skepticism to the foundations of the Christian faith. The community of professional historians accept that Jesus did exist. You know it. I know it. Java is long on hot air and short on the truth.

I don't know why are trying to troll me by bringing up Glenn Beck. You know that was just a shtick just for you. I have no idea what you're talking about.

but lmfao @ trying to discredit me by using television programs that you suggested we watch together I probably deserved it because I was being a little snide but even so, I guess that means that this thread is over because you're done if you have to start doing stuff like that.

Accepting the existence of Jesus as a historical person doesn't mean a thing when it comes to theology...I've always been willing to concede his existence. However, you also have to concede the existence of Achilles and Hector....and that doesn't mean you have to concede the supernatural qualities attributed to them.

 

[javaguru]

My point is to expose your lack of knowledge in this subject. I will quote you, you said, "there are only two references to Jesus outside the bible." I gave you a third reference, so you can see that you are wrong. I severely doubt that I would consider converting to Islam, considering I have at least 20-25 confirmed and probably over a 100 probables. I would be such a hypocrite.

I never would have guessed the bible was written in pen, thanks for letting me in on that one. I suppose if there was typewriters in 40 A.D. the bible would still be in tack, right? Just think if there would have been information technology back then, you would be totally converted. What about the men that fought in the Crimean War? Can you find their actual discharge papers? If not, then that war never happened according to your philosophy. That war supposedly occurred only 150 yrs ago.

Actually, White Christmas by Bing Crosby is the best selling single of all time, but who keeps a record of that stuff?

Glenn Beck reads off a teleprompter, kinda like what you do with the YouTube videos.

I missed your third historical reference to Jesus outside the bible...can you repost?

I'm making the low hanging fruit argument....if in fact you could even prove Jesus existed it doesn't prove a single claim made in the bible about the events in this persons life. We have hieroglyphics from ancient Egypt that were cut into stone, clearly unaltered, with the same kinds of fanciful stories that exist in the bible.

To use American mythology....Davy Crockett existed due to the numerous references to him but his autobiography should be ignored when it comes to facts and I'm pretty sure he didn't kill a bear when he was three.....

 

[cindylou]

Accepting the existence of Jesus as a historical person doesn't mean a thing when it comes to theology...I've always been willing to concede his existence. However, you also have to concede the existence of Achilles and Hector....and that doesn't mean you have to concede the supernatural qualities attributed to them.

Saints that helped Jesus get where he is? What? The people that were raised where those that believed during Jesus' life and were baptized. How many do you think that was? The earthquake was recorded. It's funny what you said...conquering death not being enough for you...you want your mother fucking PROPS and blame God if you don't get your mother fucking PROPS. Never mind that though...

Again, have you thought that maybe you only apply your skepticism to the foundations of the Christian faith? That you might believe anything you're told as long as it rejects theology? There is evidence..several lines of evidence that indicate that Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of women, not couting postmortem appearances. If you want, I'm ready to go through this and think this through to the end with you. Once we arrive there are you going to try and attempt to explain that psychologically? Hallucinations? I'm ready to go through each one with of those objections with you. Even skeptical scholars at least admit that these people believed that his man had been raised from the dead. We need to go through why they would believe that once we get there. Even if you just define the Jesus of history as only the person you can recover today with your philosophy on history (that you only apply to the historical evidence of Christianity) you still run into serious problems, and we can go through those too. For the time being, at least we know that you admit he existed. That is a start.