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The dream act is such shiat

binö

binö

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All sortsa unemployed americans
debt for decades
a prison population bubbling over with other countries problems
schools decrepit, teachers overworked, and parents who just don't give a fug
so the logical thing to do must be to offer amnesty to millions of otherwise illegals, thereby forever cementing democrat rule...wtf?
why does this bill keep on getting brought up?? seems like the populace is pretty much against it, but i have a feeling it will get forced upon us if it bombs out of congress like it did the last time around.
that's hope and change you can count on
discuss
 
the other day the messiah had a speech that was attended by a few hundred illegals...he said something to the effect that no one here would be arrested or deported today.
basically giving them a pass for breaking the law and attending his propaganda campaign...allowing them to flaunt our laws, meanwhile some dipshit somewhere is getting jailed for blazing a blunt, or the IRS is hassling someone over some unpaid tax monies.
why can't they get a pass too?
alaska is beckoning me, i got the job potential there if i want it
 
DREAM Act: Senate holds hearing - latimes.com

and they always trot out some innocent looking str8 A student as if they are indicative of every illegal that hops the fence.
I feel pity for Tolu, but wait in line like everyone else has to...she only gets face time cause she's black, if she was a euro she'd have been bounced yrs ago like she should have.
sorry tolu go back to nigeria no pity here
 
ceo said:
cold up there bro!
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up here near redding?
nah bro, hotter here than in socal.
hottest part of the state outside of the desert is right up this way
sucks maing



edit: ahh you meant alaska...yea but i'm used to it.
and plus CA is on the downslope esp when the dream act gets crammed down our throats by those who know better than us pissants.
costing me $800 to get my whip registered and plated in this POS state.
what do i get for my money, other than the satisfaction of paying for some fatty to hatch out dirty ass kids...
 
canadianhitman said:
Time to start shooting dems and illegals, perhaps. Maybe the militia types weren't such whack-jobs after all?
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if that was to happen it's now or never, in a few yrs it will be too late and are armies will be largely democrat indebted...personally i'd like to see some states attempt to breakaway from the union...not sure if it would work but it would be interesting
 
binö said:
if that was to happen it's now or never, in a few yrs it will be too late and are armies will be largely democrat indebted...personally i'd like to see some states attempt to breakaway from the union...not sure if it would work but it would be interesting
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That's the sad truth; soon the lunatics will truly be running the asylum...if they already aren't.
 
canadianhitman said:
That's the sad truth; soon the lunatics will truly be running the asylum...if they already aren't.
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repubs are not much better, even the texas gov perry is in favor of the dream act.
both parties need to be tarred and feathered and put on display...did you know these fucks are exempt from SS? they don't pay...and also exempt from obama's healthcare.
too good for what the masses get.
 
binö said:
All sortsa unemployed americans
debt for decades
a prison population bubbling over with other countries problems
schools decrepit, teachers overworked, and parents who just don't give a fug
so the logical thing to do must be to offer amnesty to millions of otherwise illegals, thereby forever cementing democrat rule...wtf?
why does this bill keep on getting brought up?? seems like the populace is pretty much against it, but i have a feeling it will get forced upon us if it bombs out of congress like it did the last time around.
that's hope and change you can count on
discuss
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biased!
 
The average American worker:
52 weeks x 5 days/week = 260 days
4 weeks vacation/year = -20 days*
10 holidays/year = -10 days
3 sick days/year = -3 days
3 personal days/year = -3 days
Total days worked ~ 224 days/year

* 4 weeks vacation AFTER 4-5 years of employment

Work day is 8 hours WORK with 1/2 hr. unpaid lunch and two 15 minutes break/day




The average teacher:
School year = 180 days
14 Holidays/year = -14
5 personal days/year = -5
7 Sick days/year = -7
? Vacation days/year = ?
Total days worked ~ 154 days/year

Work day is 7 hours including a 1/2 hour PAID lunch and one hour free period/day
 
puddlemonkey said:
The average American worker:
52 weeks x 5 days/week = 260 days
4 weeks vacation/year = -20 days*
10 holidays/year = -10 days
3 sick days/year = -3 days
3 personal days/year = -3 days
Total days worked ~ 224 days/year

* 4 weeks vacation AFTER 4-5 years of employment

Work day is 8 hours WORK with 1/2 hr. unpaid lunch and two 15 minutes break/day



The average teacher:
School year = 180 days
14 Holidays/year = -14
5 personal days/year = -5
7 Sick days/year = -7
? Vacation days/year = ?
Total days worked ~ 154 days/year

Work day is 7 hours including a 1/2 hour PAID lunch and one hour free period/day
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lesson preparation and grading papers/exam are typically not done during school hours.


a lot of teachers have to do that at home.

your numbers are faulty.
 
calveless wonder said:
lesson preparation and grading papers/exam are typically not done during school hours.


a lot of teachers have to do that at home.

your numbers are faulty.
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not my numbers, copy/paste. posted to pester bino as his parents are teachers.




lol@lesson preparation

that shit is regurgitated year after year
 
Even if he added lesson prep/grading, it's a 70 day difference so I still don't think teachers are overworked. Underpaid perhaps, but not overworked.
 
Amnesty will put us way over the 50% threshold that libs need to keep power forever. It's not about illegals, it's about manipulating the voter base enough so they can finally tell the center of the country to go to hell.
 
stevesmi said:
not another angry white man thread.

GTF over it already. the civil war was 150 years ago
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And how exactly is a war driven by the bifurcation of agrarian and industrial societies similar to enforcing federal immigration laws?

I'd settle for the immigration policies of just about any modernized nation. You can't get away with what our illegals do in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, UK, Sweden... Hell, I'd settle for us adopting Mexico's immigration policy.
 
binö said:
costing me $800 to get my whip registered and plated in this POS state.
what do i get for my money, other than the satisfaction of paying for some fatty to hatch out dirty ass kids...
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ololo
 
mrplunkey said:
And how exactly is a war driven by the bifurcation of agrarian and industrial societies similar to enforcing federal immigration laws?

I'd settle for the immigration policies of just about any modernized nation. You can't get away with what our illegals do in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, UK, Sweden... Hell, I'd settle for us adopting Mexico's immigration policy.
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then move to those countries. :chomp:
 
binö said:
repubs are not much better, even the texas gov perry is in favor of the dream act.
both parties need to be tarred and feathered and put on display...did you know these fucks are exempt from SS? they don't pay...and also exempt from obama's healthcare.
too good for what the masses get.
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they get to collect it, though...
 
binö said:
the other day the messiah had a speech that was attended by a few hundred illegals...he said something to the effect that no one here would be arrested or deported today.
basically giving them a pass for breaking the law and attending his propaganda campaign...allowing them to flaunt our laws, meanwhile some dipshit somewhere is getting jailed for blazing a blunt, or the IRS is hassling someone over some unpaid tax monies.
why can't they get a pass too?
alaska is beckoning me, i got the job potential there if i want it
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youre so racist
 
mrplunkey said:
And how exactly is a war driven by the bifurcation of agrarian and industrial societies similar to enforcing federal immigration laws?

I'd settle for the immigration policies of just about any modernized nation. You can't get away with what our illegals do in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, UK, Sweden... Hell, I'd settle for us adopting Mexico's immigration policy.
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Yep. I remember when the government was holding the illegal's kids at school until they came to pick them up...then deported them all. Harsh, but effective.
 
EnderJE said:
Great! Then go be a teacher and see how it is.
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I don't need to. My sister is a teacher, so is my stepmom and so was my mother for a while and a few other family members.

Teachers aren't overworked, they work no more than anybody else does. Do I think some of them are underpaid for that work? Yes, like I said.

So I don't get your point. Are you trying to argue that they are overworked or what?
 
AFeedz said:
I don't need to. My sister is a teacher, so is my stepmom and so was my mother for a while and a few other family members.

Teachers aren't overworked, they work no more than anybody else does. Do I think some of them are underpaid for that work? Yes, like I said.

So I don't get your point. Are you trying to argue that they are overworked or what?
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Then your sister and stepmom have it easy.

It's a combination of both (overworked + underpaid).

The ones that I know are both (ie 14 hour days +) to make ends meet. Meanwhile, the guys I know in NY are living it up with 6 hour days.
 
EnderJE said:
Then your sister and stepmom have it easy.

It's a combination of both (overworked + underpaid).

The ones that I know are both (ie 14 hour days +) to make ends meet. Meanwhile, the guys I know in NY are living it up with 6 hour days.
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Are you talking about the US? In the US, firing a teacher is virtually impossible. I understand that the dedicated ones would feel overwhelmed, but the apathetic ones probably have tons of time on their hands. What would they do -- fire them? Absolutely not.
 
EnderJE said:
Then your sister and stepmom have it easy.

It's a combination of both (overworked + underpaid).

The ones that I know are both (ie 14 hour days +) to make ends meet. Meanwhile, the guys I know in NY are living it up with 6 hour days.
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So you're saying some teachers you know have 5+ hours of grading papers every single day? Because I don't see how that's possible, minus the occasional essay/project.

Public school overcrowding I guess is the only other reason I could think of, but my county is pretty overcrowded. At one point, I was going to highschool from 12p-6p while the other half went from 6a-12p and even then, I wouldn't say my stepmom and mom who was a teacher at the time had 5+ hours of homework a day outside of their regular work day.
 
mrplunkey said:
Are you talking about the US? In the US, firing a teacher is virtually impossible. I understand that the dedicated ones would feel overwhelmed, but the apathetic ones probably have tons of time on their hands. What would they do -- fire them? Absolutely not.
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Ah, good point. I was comparing non-US teachers with NY bankers.

I should tell my friends to do the same as their US counterparts (if it's that hard to be fired).
 
AFeedz said:
So you're saying some teachers you know have 5+ hours of grading papers every single day? Because I don't see how that's possible, minus the occasional essay/project.

Public school overcrowding I guess is the only other reason I could think of, but my county is pretty overcrowded. At one point, I was going to highschool from 12p-6p while the other half went from 6a-12p and even then, I wouldn't say my stepmom and mom who was a teacher at the time had 5+ hours of homework a day outside of their regular work day.
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Well, the local school starts at 8 and goes to 4. After then they have grading papers, lesson preparation and one is accountable for the math club and student body.

I keep telling them to quit or do something else that they love that earns more.
 
EnderJE said:
Ah, good point. I was comparing non-US teachers with NY bankers.

I should tell my friends to do the same as their US counterparts (if it's that hard to be fired).
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Their US counterparts have employment for life. The worst that can be done to them is either sent to a rubber room (with full benefits and pay) or transferred to another school (the dance of the lemons).

I would feel for US teachers if they would just police themselves. They need to kick-out the unions and put their own, self-developed performance standards in place. Then if they want more money, I'd say go for it.
 
mrplunkey said:
Their US counterparts have employment for life. The worst that can be done to them is either sent to a rubber room (with full benefits and pay) or transferred to another school (the dance of the lemons).

I would feel for US teachers if they would just police themselves. They need to kick-out the unions and put their own, self-developed performance standards in place. Then if they want more money, I'd say go for it.
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More than a few teachers were fired from my public high school. Just sayin'.

Not that it matters. They've been laid off by the thousands lately.
 
mrplunkey said:
Are you talking about the US? In the US, firing a teacher is virtually impossible. I understand that the dedicated ones would feel overwhelmed, but the apathetic ones probably have tons of time on their hands. What would they do -- fire them? Absolutely not.
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Not around these parts. The Philadelphia school district just made a bunch of cuts -- and not shit like maintenance, they're cutting the arts programs, the vo-tech programs, sports, everything but the 3-Rs:

Although the Philadelphia School District has already shed more than 3,000 workers from its payroll, more pink slips are coming, an official warned Friday.

"There will be more layoffs," chief financial officer Michael Masch said after a special School Reform Commission meeting.

As of Friday, the district had lost about 3,400 jobs - 2,778 of them through a reduction in force.

Because the district was banking on charter-school reimbursement that the state this week did not provide, officials must now figure out how to close a $35 million gap - on top of the $629 million it already slashed with layoffs and deep cuts to programs and school budgets.
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musclemom said:
Not around these parts. The Philadelphia school district just made a bunch of cuts -- and not shit like maintenance, they're cutting the arts programs, the vo-tech programs, sports, everything but the 3-Rs:
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our governor's charter school and voucher initiatives are horseshit...other than the proprietors of the charter schools, he's the only one that seems to be supporting it...and, if it passes (against the citizen's wishes) it will hamstring many public schools to the point where the whole no child left behind act will be...well...left behind. public education is failing because to many parents suck.
 
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AFeedz said:
More than a few teachers were fired from my public high school. Just sayin'.

Not that it matters. They've been laid off by the thousands lately.
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Well now if you screw a 12 year old female student or shoot-up the school, I'm sure there's a 54-step product you can follow to fire them.

And no, I don't consider the layoffs being made as a part of cities/states going bankrupt the same thing. That's just the government learning to live like the rest of us and not spend more than they collect. If those jobs were that precious, they could probably stand to downsize those lucrative pension programs where you retire early with a huge portion of your last years' pay.
 
mrplunkey said:
Well now if you screw a 12 year old female student or shoot-up the school, I'm sure there's a 54-step product you can follow to fire them.

And no, I don't consider the layoffs being made as a part of cities/states going bankrupt the same thing. That's just the government learning to live like the rest of us and not spend more than they collect. If those jobs were that precious, they could probably stand to downsize those lucrative pension programs where you retire early with a huge portion of your last years' pay.
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Only maybe half of the teachers fired while I was in HS were fire for inappropriate relations with students. :)











Seriously, though.
 
AFeedz said:
Only maybe half of the teachers fired while I was in HS were fire for inappropriate relations with students. :)

Seriously, though.
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We had a math teacher who mysteriously left his wife and mysteriously married his former sixth-grade student (who he'd been strangely hanging out with for years) the day she turned 18.
 
mrplunkey said:
Well now if you screw a 12 year old female student or shoot-up the school, I'm sure there's a 54-step product you can follow to fire them.

And no, I don't consider the layoffs being made as a part of cities/states going bankrupt the same thing. That's just the government learning to live like the rest of us and not spend more than they collect. If those jobs were that precious, they could probably stand to downsize those lucrative pension programs where you retire early with a huge portion of your last years' pay.
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well...school teachers are college-educated professionals (i.e., they had to take state examinations to get their jobs), with continuing education requirements (like all professionals). however, their pay rate is generally not in-line with other professionals that have similar requirements...they get a significant portion of their payday when they retire...if they are willing to accept that, who am i to argue??
 
mrplunkey said:
We had a math teacher who mysteriously left his wife and mysteriously married his former sixth-grade student (who he'd been strangely hanging out with for years) the day she turned 18.
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I ran into a big mouthed mother of a girl I barely knew right after I graduated and she told me her daughter was dating/moving in with my old math teacher.

She swore up and down they waited to date until she graduated. Stupid mother's wishful thinking. As if they weren't talking inappropriately before graduation, considering they started dating a month later.

He wasn't one of the fired ones, though.
 
digimon7068 said:
well...school teachers are college-educated professionals (i.e., they had to take state examinations to get their jobs), with continuing education requirements (like all professionals). however, their pay rate is generally not in-line with other professionals that have similar requirements...they get a significant portion of their payday when they retire...if they are willing to accept that, who am i to argue??
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I like the idea of decertifying teacher's unions and putting together a comprehensive plan for teachers policing themselves. If they do that, I'd be all for a substantial (i.e. 25%-40%) increase in salaries in lower rate of pay markets.
 
mrplunkey said:
I like the idea of decertifying teacher's unions and putting together a comprehensive plan for teachers policing themselves. If they do that, I'd be all for a substantial (i.e. 25%-40%) increase in salaries in lower rate of pay markets.
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In Florida, 50% of teachers' pay is based on their students' test scores and new teachers get no tenure.
 
mrplunkey said:
I like the idea of decertifying teacher's unions and putting together a comprehensive plan for teachers policing themselves. If they do that, I'd be all for a substantial (i.e. 25%-40%) increase in salaries in lower rate of pay markets.
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school districts need to be empowered to treat their teachers like any other professional...you meet expectations, you get paid; you exceed expectations, you get paid more; you fail to meet expectations, you get fired.
 
jnevin said:
Nice gyno.
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yea no shit put a shirt on bro christ

and i meant overworked in the sense they have to cope with a bunch of non-english speaking students and their classrooms are too big cause of the "diversity" and not enough tax money to go around.
 
binö said:
yea no shit put a shirt on bro christ

and i meant overworked in the sense they have to cope with a bunch of non-english speaking students and their classrooms are too big cause of the "diversity" and not enough tax money to go around.
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Non-English speaking kids in my HS had their own classes.
 
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Remember in plat yesterday when you said you couldn't recall you being mean to me lately?


Mm Hmm...
 
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