Best option for a runner, help!

[kingJames6]

Hi, I am currently working out mon-sat mon,wed,fri i go running about 5 miles at a time the other 3 days i am doing circuits and a lot of body weight exercises, like push up sits ups chin ups and all that stuff, i am looking to cut my running from 5 miles to 3 but really step it up a notch and be able to put in respectable times anything below 22.00 minutes currently 25-26 hit a brick wall. and really wanted to know if the was a steroid out there capable of really improving my C.V and bodyweight exercise's.

I am 21, 6 ft and 180 lbs 81kg


I would really like some insight and appreciate any help anyone can offer

 

[stevesmi]

I was a competitive runner for 2 straight years. I ran 35 official 5K's and several half marathons.
we've had countless threads about this sort of thing. I will tell you what I've said in those threads. AAS will not help you with endurance sports. it will hurt you more than help.

the only thing you can do is run more.

I've got 5M karma waiting for someone to prove to me that AAS improved their 5K time. no one has stepped forward yet

 

[ramnares]

Stevemi's got it right. The only way you're going to improve your run time is by running. There are many programs out there designed to help do this but they all center around doing long runs one day (8-12 miles), doing regular runs on other days (not the day after your long run), runs of 5-6 miles, and then a day of just sprints, either wind sprints or if you do a trail uphill sprints. Also, if you're looking to improve your push-ups, pull-ups etc. you should dedicate a workout to doing weighted versions of those exercises. Naturally your reps would be lower but do as many as you can, for example set a pull up goal (depending how fit you are) of 50-75 weighted pull-ups and do as many sets necessary to get to that number.

 

[kingJames6]

I was a competitive runner for 2 straight years. I ran 35 official 5K's and several half marathons.
we've had countless threads about this sort of thing. I will tell you what I've said in those threads. AAS will not help you with endurance sports. it will hurt you more than help.

the only thing you can do is run more.

I've got 5M karma waiting for someone to prove to me that AAS improved their 5K time. no one has stepped forward yet

I appreciate you getting back to me

i have doing a lot of research on the internet and find a lot of people talking about it and finding a lot of Olympic runners get caught and was wondering what could they be taking i am not doubting your knowledge by any means, but in this day and age there is something for everything,
i all ready am running like crazy i dont stop i am wearing thin, i do a lot of swimming as well and cant get any fitter for some reason

i see a lot of people talking about Tbol, var, test and nandralone i have no idea what they are

 

[stevesmi]

sprinters juice, I am not saying they do not...but that wasn't what you were asking.. you are talking about endurance running.

 

[kingJames6]

sorry i just didnt consider 3 miles to be endurance

so your saying there is no enhancer I can take to help me with my running

 

[stevesmi]

3 miles most certainly is endurance.

sprinting is 400-800 meters.

notice sprinters look different then endurance runners. sprinters are built like tanks... endurance runners are scrawny, more muscle on endurance runners will damage their times.

like i told you in your PM, you need to run more.. you should be able to get under 24 minutes in a 5K very quickly if you train 3-4X per week properly and eat healthy.

I would get with a running group in your area.. you will get a lot of help with them and advice and they will push you.

 

[kingJames6]

i here what your saying but i got a few friends in the marines they have pretty respectable physics but can run 20 miles

 

[firetruck]

I used to run long distance,did five marathons. I still run 3 miles most days. When u try to run when on aas u get such an extreme pump in ur legs u have to stop. After like half a mile.

 

[kingJames6]

yea i know whta you mean the hardest thing for me is them days where you are exhausted and you build ya self up for a run and no what how much you want it you just cant run. I use to run 7 miles monday then 5 wednesday and 5 on friday at a slow pace but now i am trying to get some good times down i currently run 3 miles in 26 minutes but have to get in below 22 minutes and i came on here just to see if there is anything to help me achieve that goal, i have looked on the internet i have seen quite a few people talking but no one naming any products

 

[RADAR]

yea i know whta you mean the hardest thing for me is them days where you are exhausted and you build ya self up for a run and no what how much you want it you just cant run. I use to run 7 miles monday then 5 wednesday and 5 on friday at a slow pace but now i am trying to get some good times down i currently run 3 miles in 26 minutes but have to get in below 22 minutes and i came on here just to see if there is anything to help me achieve that goal, i have looked on the internet i have seen quite a few people talking but no one naming any products

Ok! I'll chime in here, they give EQ to racehorces to help them run faster,longer,and stronger, something to consider, but bear in mind there is a huge difference in the structure of a horses legs/atamony than ours, so to answer your question it could hinder or it could help, the only way to find out is to try it.

EQ = Equipoise

 

[Jmkt89]

Endurance runners use blood doping... That's how they 'cheat'.. Puts extra stress on your heart though..

 

[pdaddyII]

Some low dose winny wouldn't hurt

 

[stevesmi]

Endurance runners use blood doping... That's how they 'cheat'.. Puts extra stress on your heart though..

???

 

[bobby6638]

jmk2 hit the nail on the head .. I was going to post the same.. yes that is one known method the use.. They withdraw a certain amount of blood however many days before. your body replenishes the blood withdrawn then around race time they put the blood taken out back in thereby giving a greater red blood cell count with more oxygen in the blood to go faster & longer... Also look at the cyclists.. I think it was landis he was on the show bigger faster stronger.... He made a hyperbaric chamber to increase the oxygen in his blood...

I think EQ might be a possibility but you will still get some serious pumps in the legs i believe.....

 

[lamatit]

Dude... talk about leg pumps,

500mg Test E/week

Cant make it more than a mile before the pumps in my calves are unbearable. That's up and down hills around my house though, so flat land may be bearable.
After a mile i limp back home and cant bend my ankles the rest of the day without my calves wanting to lock up.

I dont see why steroids wouldnt help with endurence if you can avoid these leg pumps, I've been trying taurine, not doing much for it though....

 

[kingJames6]

Some low dose winny wouldn't hurt

2 questions

1. is there anyone on this site that runs a lot and has used winny and if so what was end result

2. how long does winny stay in body after cycle, detectable levels


thanks for getting back to me every one just trying to look for a solution

 

[stevesmi]

I'm not really sure why you do not understand that AAS will not help your times. you have to run, you have to train.

stop thinking a magic pill is gonna suddenly make you fast.

 

[kingJames6]

lol all right mate i dont know what your problem is just looking for more people like me who want the same things or people who where like me and did something about it

i aint looking for a cheat a quick fix just something to help me, i do alot of training and am dedicated i couldn't run around the block a year ago now i can run 7 miles decent pace, it's just got tot the point where i am really struggling to put in better times. every one hits a brick wall in what ever walk of life your in i am just looking for some thing to help me get over the wall so i can move on dont get offended because i dont belive you when you say all AAS will not help me

 

[stevesmi]

dont get offended because i dont belive you when you say all AAS will not help me

lol okay. I guess I do not know what I'm talking about. I have a room full of trophies from 5K races that I destroyed everybody in when I ran competitively for 2 years.. and that was in 95 degree heat in FL.. ... but you are right.. I don't know anything about running and I just ate a magic pill.. it wasn't training 5X per week in 100 degree heat and humidity.

bottom line is you are not training hard enough or correctly. you need to get setup with a group of runners who will push you. you need to hit hills hard, you need to do interval training, you need to do LSD (long slow distance) i've already told you this but you insist on not listening so I will let you juice away.. i argued with a guy about this months ago and he came back on and apologized after he ran a cycle and his times got worse. there are guys on this site who have competed in running, bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc etc. instead of calling them liars you need to LISTEN to them. at 21 I understand you are stubborn and think you know everything but you really do not know jack at that age, like i said you need to get with a running group and hopefully be-friend some older runners who have been there and done that.. and hopefully not come at them with this cocky attitude and be willing to learn... and then I GUARANTEE you will be running 22 minute 5K's consistently

 

[Zyglamail]

Endurance runners use blood doping... That's how they 'cheat'.. Puts extra stress on your heart though..

ANd blood doping does what? Increases RBC, more RBC more oxygen. At a point however the blood becomes too thick that the heart has to work harder so the benefit of extra RBC is no longer beneficial.

Guess what many AAS do? They increase RBC and in turn potentially can benefit oxygen carrying potential. The problem is, with endurance training the narrow of margin where each individual can benefit is small and takes patience, trial and error and a lot of blood work to determine your specific ideal RBC value.

That being said, athletes are well know to suffer from magnesium deficiencies. This can make a HUGE difference in the heart rate required and amount of oxygen needed to perform a given task. Get an RBC magnesium test and if your not at 6.8 mg/dL you need to take more.

 

[kingJames6]

lol okay. I guess I do not know what I'm talking about. I have a room full of trophies from 5K races that I destroyed everybody in when I ran competitively for 2 years.. and that was in 95 degree heat in FL.. ... but you are right.. I don't know anything about running and I just ate a magic pill.. it wasn't training 5X per week in 100 degree heat and humidity.

bottom line is you are not training hard enough or correctly. you need to get setup with a group of runners who will push you. you need to hit hills hard, you need to do interval training, you need to do LSD (long slow distance) i've already told you this but you insist on not listening so I will let you juice away.. i argued with a guy about this months ago and he came back on and apologized after he ran a cycle and his times got worse. there are guys on this site who have competed in running, bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc etc. instead of calling them liars you need to LISTEN to them. at 21 I understand you are stubborn and think you know everything but you really do not know jack at that age, like i said you need to get with a running group and hopefully be-friend some older runners who have been there and done that.. and hopefully not come at them with this cocky attitude and be willing to learn... and then I GUARANTEE you will be running 22 minute 5K's consistently

i am actually embarrassed at what i just read not once have i said "YOU WRONG" or "YOU DON'T NO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT" i got chills that was multiplying like travolta whilst reading how you destroyed everybody in competitive running for 2 years some old man who's highlight of his life was jogging for a 2 year stretch then joins a forum 16 years later so he can throw a couple of medals in there face like it carries weight behind it ahahaha itching for someone to doubt his running ability or knowledge , go argue with some more faggots on the forums thinking your hot shit with ya abbreviation's.

not once did i say you or anyone else was a liar you moron, go and read a cosmo you faggot

 

[RADAR]

i am actually embarrassed at what i just read not once have i said "YOU WRONG" or "YOU DON'T NO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT" i got chills that was multiplying like travolta whilst reading how you destroyed everybody in competitive running for 2 years some old man who's highlight of his life was jogging for a 2 year stretch then joins a forum 16 years later so he can throw a couple of medals in there face like it carries weight behind it ahahaha itching for someone to doubt his running ability or knowledge , go argue with some more faggots on the forums thinking your hot shit with ya abbreviation's.

not once did i say you or anyone else was a liar you moron, go and read a cosmo you faggot

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And you will act respectful on this forum,esp when talking to a moderator.

 

[Jmkt89]

Well to be quite honest now.. Aas won't help and it sounds like you have reached your natural ability.. Unfortunately it seems it's not what you want..

Train harder or give up.. Take advice with an open mind

 

[stevesmi]

i am actually embarrassed at what i just read not once have i said "YOU WRONG" or "YOU DON'T NO WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT" i got chills that was multiplying like travolta whilst reading how you destroyed everybody in competitive running for 2 years some old man who's highlight of his life was jogging for a 2 year stretch then joins a forum 16 years later so he can throw a couple of medals in there face like it carries weight behind it ahahaha itching for someone to doubt his running ability or knowledge , go argue with some more faggots on the forums thinking your hot shit with ya abbreviation's.

not once did i say you or anyone else was a liar you moron, go and read a cosmo you faggot

troll alert!

 

[Judo Tom]

always funny when people dont listen to some of the vets around here... why the heck did you come here????