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[Nelson Montana]

I was thinking about some of the older threads on EF -- back when a few members might recall as the "good old days." A few things came to mind.

Besides daily flame fests (which are almost non existant now) there were "the experts." One in particular was called "Fonz." Some of his inimitable wisdom included cutting and pasting reports, studies, even ads, and claiming it as his own evaluation. He also suggested that Anavarr actually HEALED the liver. (Really, no lie). He claimed that Androgel was non supressive. And people hung on his every word.

Then there was a guy named Citrucide who decided the world should be only as he wanted it. He would delete and REWRITE threads to make it look like the poster said something that CItrucide wanted. No one stopped him. Yes, hard to believe, I know.

The topic of DNP was discussed in a way that made it seem completely safe. There were even reported deaths of some members followed by posts with "R.I.P bro" from the very morons who encouraged the cause. Thankfully everyone here now knows you have to be a flaming retard to use DNP.

The recomendation of a gram of juice for a first timer was commonplace.

Insulin use was rampant and encouraged, even for beginners.

I won't even get into the AF boys and their absurd advice and imbicilic psuedoscientific trivil.

This board has become like Times Square -- a renewed, thriving neighborhood that at one time seemed hopeless. Yet, there will always be a clueless few who thought the old way was better. It wasn't. Today, EF outshines every AAS board on the net.

I don't have all the answers but I try to employ logic, safety and good health as the main conponent in bodybuilding wheater you use steroids or not and I think anyone, everyone, who chooses to give advice has a responsibility to do so with a sense of caution in mind. All the vets and regulars here do an amazing job and deserve major props. The end result is a smarter board, better information, better results, and less (next to zero) casualities.

Just thought I'd get that out.

 

[st8grad]

Maybe some liked the old way better because they got to read exactly what they wanted to see. Use a gram a week of test, that DNP is safe, and Anavar, while completely non-toxic to the liver, actually heals it!

Think about it. People will be told something is bad by 10,20, or 30 people. But it only takes one person to say that it is fine for them to latch onto that person's every word.

How many potential users come on here looking to do an a-bomb only cycle for 8 weeks, get flamed to hell, only to look on another board for someone to tell them it is ok? Then when they find that site, the probably talk all kinds of trash about EF. Then the once upon-a-time pseudo scientist that roamed this board chimes in and agrees with said 15 year old.

 

[lartinos]

C-ditty was cool, and so was the old board. Fonz was a smart guy as well, whether he was a scammer I am unsure. The old board was before we had 1000 little boards and was alot of fun and alot could be learned.

 

[jeb0177]

some hear what they want to hear.... that's right.

 

[holy ghost]

yes/no

SSB is the best ran board ive experienced, information wise and participation and experience.
TM sucks, AB sucks, ABB Sucks, Fuck Genetics is cool, Chemical Soldier is valuable if youre a home chemist.
this board EF was one of my first places in the online community
thats why i still hang around and help out when i can. I see same questions every day, i only input on the difficult ones.

 

[needtogetaas]

yes/no

SSB is the best ran board ive experienced, information wise and participation and experience.
TM sucks, AB sucks, ABB Sucks, Fuck Genetics is cool, Chemical Soldier is valuable if youre a home chemist.
this board EF was one of my first places in the online community
thats why i still hang around and help out when i can. I see same questions every day, i only input on the difficult ones.

thats just it though bro this board is the center of it all now.....I have bin all around an almost all the boards some boards a will be doing a lot of posting on soon and you wont even know its me.lol <---project
but every where I go I see members from this board.i see a couple that like one board and a few that like another board but all of them post on this board..we all go out and collect info on all the boards and it all ends up right back here.
I have toy use other boards to keep up with all the sources but I only use the info to help people on this board...
ef is one big fucking melting pot of good info,ideas and more..over the past 2 years I have never seen the aas run so smoothly then now...yes they need a
full tim mod here to luck some of the crap but other then that I love the aas forum here now.

 

[xrsist]

what ever happened to the bro, dline?

 

[hanibal]

all true except the bs about AF. great products hands down, and i have no affiliation or concern of them whatsoever( except getting their products). hey nelly where were U when AF dudes were all over here...? u were alittle less visable than now...
the shit anout dnp and a gram of test and insulin use is/was true and is fucking absurd! i love when i read about guys trying to downplay the dangers of dangerous shit, like DNP mainly.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

yes/no

SSB is the best ran board ive experienced, information wise and participation and experience.
TM sucks, AB sucks, ABB Sucks, Fuck Genetics is cool, Chemical Soldier is valuable if youre a home chemist.
this board EF was one of my first places in the online community
thats why i still hang around and help out when i can. I see same questions every day, i only input on the difficult ones.

They arent taking new people right now. i treid to check them out.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

This board has really educated me a lot. Only thing I am having a prob with is this new no flame rule. not that i wana flame but it seems to be pick and choose and seems it was really on put on here for one person. he was a well respected bro and sure his tactics may have been a little harsh at times but they were funny and dead on. most of us liked him but I geuss the squeaky winny lil bitch gets the hand job.

 

[lartinos]

This topic is sort of a waste because I don't really know many people who were here 3-4 years ago. If you weren't you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Parm]

I personally think ulter and mac gave great advice and I know a lot of people have benefited from it. Everybody here may not like them but that doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about. Btw, I've seen many people reccommend 1g of test for a first cycle. Never done it myself but I do know many that have with great success.

 

[xrsist]

I personally think ulter and mac gave great advice and I know a lot of people have benefited from it. Everybody here may not like them but that doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about. Btw, I've seen many people reccommend 1g of test for a first cycle. Never done it myself but I do know many that have with great success.

1 gram of test is dangerous and not nessesary. why do 1 gram of test for a first cycle when you can do 250-300mg of test and get the same results huh?

 

[slat1]

I used to love the morons that thought you needed more juice because you were a bigger guy! They thought "since he is bigger he must produce more natural test"

 

[needtogetaas]

I personally think ulter and mac gave great advice and I know a lot of people have benefited from it. Everybody here may not like them but that doesn't mean that they don't know what they're talking about. Btw, I've seen many people reccommend 1g of test for a first cycle. Never done it myself but I do know many that have with great success.

I have to say they did give some good advice but the bullshit that came with them to were not worth it...good thing the site saw that as well.

 

[Parm]

1 gram of test is dangerous and not nessesary. why do 1 gram of test for a first cycle when you can do 250-300mg of test and get the same results huh?

I never said it was necessary and neither did I say it yields more results. I just said I know people that have done it with great success. Btw, I see you on AF too so why not ask Ulter himself why he reccommends it or better still ask E2?

 

[xrsist]

I never said it was necessary and neither did I say it yields more results. I just said I know people that have done it with great success. Btw, I see you on AF too so why not ask Ulter himself why he reccommends it or better still ask E2?

yer i check AF out everynow and then (by the way for all EF members ross is now over there.. hahaha) i dont need to ask anyone why i should use 1g of test because i know its possible to gain on 250-300mg of test

 

[Nelson Montana]

Maybe some liked the old way better because they got to read exactly what they wanted to see. Use a gram a week of test, that dnp - dinitrophenol - - dinitrophenol - is safe, and Anavar, while completely non-toxic to the liver, actually heals it!

Think about it. People will be told something is bad by 10,20, or 30 people. But it only takes one person to say that it is fine for them to latch onto that person's every word.

How many potential users come on here looking to do an Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - only cycle for 8 weeks, get flamed to hell, only to look on another board for someone to tell them it is ok? Then when they find that site, the probably talk all kinds of trash about EF. Then the once upon-a-time pseudo scientist that roamed this board chimes in and agrees with said 15 year old.

Great points.

As to why I was less visable when the AF guys were here...well, I was a threat. For one thing I designed my own products and actually knew what I was talking about. They had a nice little hold on things and didn't want to let that go. Since macro was a mod he could delete posts at will and would do so whenever anyone praised a competitor or bashed an Af product. Since I was just trying to compete on a level playing field, I couldn't survive against a mob so I split. But the truth came out. Some guys were scammers. Some guys were airchair experts. And a lot of them used several alters.

Speaking of which, I think it odd that "parm" is defending the way the board was 3 years ago when he has 34 posts.

 

[holy ghost]

Actually a lot of guys need more SUPPLEMENTS and some maybe juice becuase the amount of LBM and tissue is GREATER and it takes more blood production and fluids to compensate for a greater area of nutrient availability CAN ALSO result in increase of NATURAL higher Blood pressure for these monsters.

i think building the perfect beast should be a STICKY on this forum

you read that one nelson?

 

[Parm]

Great points.

As to why I was less visable when the AF guys were here...well, I was a threat. For one thing I designed my own products and actually knew what I was talking about. They had a nice little hold on things and didn't want to let that go. Since macro was a mod he could delete posts at will and would do so whenever anyone praised a competitor or bashed an Af product. Since I was just trying to compete on a level playing field, I couldn't survive against a mob so I split. But the truth came out. Some guys were scammers. Some guys were airchair experts. And a lot of them used several alters.

Speaking of which, I think it odd that "parm" is defending the way the board was 3 years ago when he has 34 posts.

Firstly,I wasn't defending the way the board was 3 years ago, I just said Ulter and Mac gave good advice, but as usual you don't like it when anyone says anything good about them. I think there are still some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

Secondly what the hell has my post count got to do with anything? Yea I only have 34 posts but I started reading this board long before I ever joined up.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion Nelson, not all opinions have to match yours. There are many peeps that think the board was better when 'they' were around, and before someone comes out with the 'why don't you go there then' comment, I just want to say that this is my opinion and as stated before I still think there are some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

 

[needtogetaas]

I never said it was necessary and neither did I say it yields more results. I just said I know people that have done it with great success. Btw, I see you on AF too so why not ask Ulter himself why he reccommends it or better still ask E2?

hay well your on af tell ulter I said thanks for making me a Icon over there lmao dumb ass that he is...

 

[needtogetaas]

yer i check AF out everynow and then (by the way for all EF members ross is now over there.. hahaha) i dont need to ask anyone why i should use 1g of test because i know its possible to gain on 250-300mg of test

your kidding they let ross over there...fuck I have to check this out..I know ross has shit to talk about me after he begged me to help him make his site and promote his products and I gave him the run around.lol thats prob why they let him over there they welcome any needto bashers...hell needto bashers make up 90% of there site they must love me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Firstly,I wasn't defending the way the board was 3 years ago, I just said Ulter and Mac gave good advice, but as usual you don't like it when anyone says anything good about them. I think there are still some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

Secondly what the hell has my post count got to do with anything? Yea I only have 34 posts but I started reading this board long before I ever joined up.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion Nelson, not all opinions have to match yours. There are many peeps that think the board was better when 'they' were around, and before someone comes out with the 'why don't you go there then' comment, I just want to say that this is my opinion and as stated before I still think there are some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

No prob bro, just thought it weird. I know there are a few AF hanger-ons who try to get people over to their ailing site. Anyway, it's not about all opinions matching mine. But it is about being resonsible to a degree and that's my biggest complaint. I felt that ulter didn't make anybody a better bodybuilder -- he just told them what they wanted to hear. That's not good advice, it's pandering. And worse, he made too many guys dependant on too much juice. Maybe it was because that's what HE needed, because he himself wasn't a very good bodybuilder. That's all. All the other stuff is bullshit and i'm glad to let it go.

 

[needtogetaas]

No prob bro, just thought it weird. I know there are a few AF hanger-ons who try to get people over to their ailing site. Anyway, it's not about all opinions matching mine. But it is about being resonsible to a degree and that's my biggest complaint. I felt that ulter didn't make anybody a better bodybuilder -- he just told them what they wanted to hear. That's not good advice, it's pandering. And worse, he made too many guys dependant on too much juice. Maybe it was because that's what HE needed, because he himself wasn't a very good bodybuilder. That's all. All the other stuff is bullshit and i'm glad to let it go.

just like I said dont matter what they did the members that have bin band,muscled out,threated off the board,hushed,lied to and so on and so one ant worth what the gave to the board...ya there are some die hards but they went with the flow one week your best friends with them next week they had your ass band and no one ever herd your side of the story and never will..

 

[Parm]

No prob bro, just thought it weird. I know there are a few AF hanger-ons who try to get people over to their ailing site. Anyway, it's not about all opinions matching mine. But it is about being resonsible to a degree and that's my biggest complaint. I felt that ulter didn't make anybody a better bodybuilder -- he just told them what they wanted to hear. That's not good advice, it's pandering. And worse, he made too many guys dependant on too much juice. Maybe it was because that's what HE needed, because he himself wasn't a very good bodybuilder. That's all. All the other stuff is bullshit and i'm glad to let it go.

That's fair enough bro, like I said you are also entitled to your opinion. I read many boards, mainly to build my own knowledge. This was the first board I started reading though back in 2003, I think when you weren't around and at the time there were many peeps here who say they benefitted from ults and macs advice. I know though that there are currently many peeps who have benefitted greatly from your advice too and I think in many areas you are one of the most knowleadgable bros here.

Anything I said in my previous post was not meant as a personal attack... hell I've been taught some very harsh lessons in my life from some of the closeset people to me (or atleast I thought they were) and I never attacked them in any way so I wouldn't be doing it on a message board...

 

[thelion2005]

It is true that this board is much more civilized now. I only date back to June of 2005 and can remember how tough it was to carve out a rep regardless of your outside accomplishments and knowledge. God help you if you were not Plat or fat ... or even just new.

It was all about K and red and bombs, and the domination/subjegation of the few.

BUT .... It was fun like the wild west. If you could survive, you knew you were being respected. If you stumbled...you got your head handed to you.

I really liked the characters here and the outrageous and talented slams they put on others. So many are gone.

I'd like to see the business performance stats of the "old days" vs now. More Members or less? More sales and profit or less? New Members ... those thet stay and leave. Re-ups? Ebook sales? Minutes on line? Log ons? Off?

And how do you measure FUN? Time outs? Suspensions? Terminations?

And .... Good to see RADAR today. The strong do survive!

 

[needtogetaas]

It is true that this board is much more civilized now. I only date back to June of 2005 and can remember how tough it was to carve out a rep regardless of your outside accomplishments and knowledge. God help you if you were not Plat or fat ... or even just new.

It was all about K and red and bombs, and the domination/subjegation of the few.

BUT .... It was fun like the wild west. If you could survive, you knew you were being respected. If you stumbled...you got your head handed to you.

I really liked the characters here and the outrageous and talented slams they put on others. So many are gone.

I'd like to see the business performance stats of the "old days" vs now. More Members or less? More sales and profit or less? New Members ... those thet stay and leave. Re-ups? Ebook sales? Minutes on line? Log ons? Off?

And how do you measure FUN? Time outs? Suspensions? Terminations?

And .... Good to see RADAR today. The strong do survive!

dame right bro...2005 was some hard times there was some flaming like never before..2005 was a big year for ef though the numbers were huge and the site was way more busy then it is now I dont care what any one says...
I cant wait for a boom like we had in 2005.

 

[boyer]

Atleast the picture of womens section has it's moments.

 

[samoth]

Ah, yes. I remember back in the days of heavier drama when mods would delete and edit threads they didn't like or agree with, as well as argue x into the bloody ground for countless posts, when the discussion of x versus y were only two of many options and choices, none of which were absolutely correct for every single person.

Fortunetly, posts edited by mods now show "Last Edited by..." every time, whereas it used to be an option whether a moderator wanted that to show up or not. If a person's post or thread was edited by a moderator, it should publicly show that it was edited, so I'm glad this isn't a problem any more.

Generally (not just limited to EF), having board moderators with financial interests outside of the well-being of a board can be a duel-edged sword, as many of us have seen first hand. I personally have a general dislike for business and politics, so I prefer an environment where the people moderating a board are there to moderate the board and post as a regular member... and not as someone with "power" that has the ability to manipulate and influence in his or her favor. (Not that that's inherently bad or anything, but when one has a business that puts food on the table and pays the bills, that will always come before the well-being of some discussion board they post on. And, of course, when the opportunity presents itself, you can't blame a person for taking advantage of it.) I was sketchy about this whole COB thing EF implicated, but after seeing it in effect for some time, I think it's an excellent way for companies and sponsors to have a presence on the boards -- and on the mod board -- while keeping them a seperate entity from moderators whose specific function is simply to help moderate the board and enforce the TOS.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ah, yes. I remember back in the days of heavier drama when mods would delete and edit threads they didn't like or agree with, as well as argue x into the bloody ground for countless posts, when the discussion of x versus y were only two of many options and choices, none of which were absolutely correct for every single person.

Fortunetly, posts edited by mods now show "Last Edited by..." every time, whereas it used to be an option whether a moderator wanted that to show up or not. If a person's post or thread was edited by a moderator, it should publicly show that it was edited, so I'm glad this isn't a problem any more.

Generally (not just limited to EF), having board moderators with financial interests outside of the well-being of a board can be a duel-edged sword, as many of us have seen first hand. I personally have a general dislike for business and politics, so I prefer an environment where the people moderating a board are there to moderate the board and post as a regular member... and not as someone with "power" that has the ability to manipulate and influence in his or her favor. (Not that that's inherently bad or anything, but when one has a business that puts food on the table and pays the bills, that will always come before the well-being of some discussion board they post on. And, of course, when the opportunity presents itself, you can't blame a person for taking advantage of it.) I was sketchy about this whole COB thing EF implicated, but after seeing it in effect for some time, I think it's an excellent way for companies and sponsors to have a presence on the boards -- and on the mod board -- while keeping them a seperate entity from moderators whose specific function is simply to help moderate the board and enforce the TOS.

thank you

 

[stressman13]

I like the fact that its no longer a daily flame fest but this place has become beach bod heaven. This place is now more tailor fittrd for the average guy who juices then anyone resembling a semi-serious bodybuilder, as is much of the advice. Just a point.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I like the fact that its no longer a daily flame fest but this place has become beach bod heaven. This place is now more tailor fittrd for the average guy who juices then anyone resembling a semi-serious bodybuilder, as is much of the advice. Just a point.

Who is "semi serious?" I'll put needsize, quadsweep, needto, Anthony, and yeah, even an old fucker like me up against Ulter and macro any day of the week.

 

[access]

Sounds like I should have joined back in 2005. That wild west scenario sounds like a lot of fun to me!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sounds like I should have joined back in 2005. That wild west scenario sounds like a lot of fun to me!

If you're into being in a delusional little clique that sucked each other off and didn't allow anyone else in, you would have loved it.

 

[holy ghost]

lmao

 

[lartinos]

just do some searches guys and read the threads. Much smarter guys and alot more shit talking! Good stuff in my opinion. Elite is still fun, just way different.......

 

[OMEGA]

I never like to talk negative about anyone or anything so I will LEAP FROG to the positive affirmation's made.

I agree with the "TIME SQUARE" feel of www.Elitefitness.com and that there is a much more diverse spectrum of ideologies, and opinion offered and SHARED.

I have noticed too that when disagreements arise from various camps there is a respectful "we agree to disagree" discourse that often ends is a more wide ranging view of things ( for example our cardio debates etc)

Sponsors are served by this, the content of the site is served by this.
Intellectual Freedom is served by those wiling to share new ideas and the base of members observing it all.


www.Elitefitness.com is the Golden Child of the the Boards and always will be. I never understood how any one could say anything bad about it since it has given us all so very much.

the ADMIN behind the scenes deserve ALOT of he credit, they have put in place lattice work of strength to allow fruits to grow on.

 

[mookie]

Who is "semi serious?" I'll put needsize, quadsweep, needto, Anthony, and yeah, even an old fucker like me up against Ulter and macro any day of the week.

How can you put needto in that sentence?

 

[mookie]

This board has really educated me a lot. Only thing I am having a prob with is this new no flame rule. not that i wana flame but it seems to be pick and choose and seems it was really on put on here for one person. he was a well respected bro and sure his tactics may have been a little harsh at times but they were funny and dead on. most of us liked him but I geuss the squeaky Winstrol - stanozolol lil bitch gets the hand job.

I thought they put that rule in for needto. His feelings get hurt so easy.

 

[layinback]

i have benefited from this site in a short amount of time. i love to be challenged. growth comes from friction and opposing views but respect and civility must be the cornerstone of this foundation. everyone has a finite amount of energy, positive use of this energy yields positive results.

 

[evilb]

One in particular was called "Fonz." Some of his inimitable wisdom included cutting and pasting reports, studies, even ads, and claiming it as his own evaluation. He also suggested that Anavarr actually HEALED the liver. (Really, no lie). He claimed that Androgel was non supressive. And people hung on his every word.

Then there was a guy named Citrucide who decided the world should be only as he wanted it. He would delete and REWRITE threads to make it look like the poster said something that CItrucide wanted. No one stopped him. Yes, hard to believe, I know.


The recomendation of a gram of juice for a first timer was commonplace.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

[needtogetaas]

I thought they put that rule in for needto. His feelings get hurt so easy.

ya thats it...bwahahahahahah

 

[hanibal]

 

[needtogetaas]

lol

 

[2raptors]

been lurking around...waiting for my "theoretical" shit to arrive...gotdammit.....WTF is taking so long....

Anyway, being completely new to this, listening to clandestine "gym-rats", wannabe's, Current ARE'S, and the has-beens...this site was a HUGE FIND for me to learn...and hopefully GROW....

You guys have all been great.... welcoming to newbies ( well, most anyway, at least those that write like that have some common f'n sense)..... great advise and you really to make it sound (at least) like you care! (sounds like I'm gonna fuckin' shed a tear over here).!!!!

HAHAHAHA

Well, honestly, between Nelons, X, needto, Sassy, realgains and others...we've learned and are learning a TON...

Thanks for your expetise, willing to share....and most of all... patience....and thank the GODS it's not the wild west for newbies any more! (sounds like I'd have gotten hammered on there for asking a q)

Cheers

The raptors.....

 

[Bridger]

I was thinking about some of the older threads on EF -- back when a few members might recall as the "good old days." A few things came to mind

Then there was a guy named Citrucide who decided the world should be only as he wanted it. He would delete and REWRITE threads to make it look like the poster said something that CItrucide wanted. No one stopped him. Yes, hard to believe, I know.

I remember c ditty not from here but from Iron Trybe and yes i can believe that. I used to post there and cditty is a mod. He was so full of himself, always right and never wrong. You hit that right on the head nelson. haha.

 

[sincere81oo0]

wasnt around for those times
got my boy lartinos to educate me on em though

 

[tiredofshit]

Great points.

As to why I was less visable when the AF guys were here...well, I was a threat. For one thing I designed my own products and actually knew what I was talking about. They had a nice little hold on things and didn't want to let that go. Since macro was a mod he could delete posts at will and would do so whenever anyone praised a competitor or bashed an Af product. Since I was just trying to compete on a level playing field, I couldn't survive against a mob so I split. But the truth came out. Some guys were scammers. Some guys were airchair experts. And a lot of them used several alters.

Speaking of which, I think it odd that "parm" is defending the way the board was 3 years ago when he has 34 posts.

what's that liver supp crap they push that's supposed to protect your liver against an 17aa assault?
btw AAP is ulter

 

[Kabeetz]

Revisionist history: Because If You Say It Enough, Somebody's Gonna Believe It!

 

[worldclass]

You couldn't be more wrong in this post. The level of intelligence on this board was miles ahead of where it is now. I doesn't suck but it's nowhere near what it was in the glory days. You weren't even here so I don't know how you can even comment on it. But then not knowing much about a subject has never stopped you before.

I was thinking about some of the older threads on EF -- back when a few members might recall as the "good old days." A few things came to mind.

Besides daily flame fests (which are almost non existant now) there were "the experts." One in particular was called "Fonz." Some of his inimitable wisdom included cutting and pasting reports, studies, even ads, and claiming it as his own evaluation. He also suggested that Anavarr actually HEALED the liver. (Really, no lie). He claimed that Androgel was non supressive. And people hung on his every word.

Then there was a guy named Citrucide who decided the world should be only as he wanted it. He would delete and REWRITE threads to make it look like the poster said something that CItrucide wanted. No one stopped him. Yes, hard to believe, I know.

The topic of dnp - dinitrophenol - was discussed in a way that made it seem completely safe. There were even reported deaths of some members followed by posts with "R.I.P bro" from the very morons who encouraged the cause. Thankfully everyone here now knows you have to be a flaming retard to use DNP.

The recomendation of a gram of juice for a first timer was commonplace.

Insulin use was rampant and encouraged, even for beginners.

I won't even get into the AF boys and their absurd advice and imbicilic psuedoscientific trivil.

This board has become like Times Square -- a renewed, thriving neighborhood that at one time seemed hopeless. Yet, there will always be a clueless few who thought the old way was better. It wasn't. Today, EF outshines every anabolic androgenic steroids board on the net.

I don't have all the answers but I try to employ logic, safety and good health as the main conponent in bodybuilding wheater you use steroids or not and I think anyone, everyone, who chooses to give advice has a responsibility to do so with a sense of caution in mind. All the vets and regulars here do an amazing job and deserve major props. The end result is a smarter board, better information, better results, and less (next to zero) casualities.

Just thought I'd get that out.

 

[thesuaveone]

If you're into being in a delusional little clique that sucked each other off and didn't allow anyone else in, you would have loved it.

You act as though needto doesn't walk around with your balls in his mouth...*laughs*

 

[sincere81oo0]

You act as though needto doesn't walk around with your balls in his mouth...*laughs*

and how did you candy ass come to that conclusion?

 

[thesuaveone]

and how did you candy ass come to that conclusion?

Potty mouth.

 

[sincere81oo0]

this place is supposed to be for solid advice and help for anyone willing to follow it... to help thos not so serious guys get serious..... not for people to bash on eachother like high schoolers. having dillusional cliques is retarded and hig scholl bullshit which is why im dure it stopped... the ipidemy of GAY!

 

[sincere81oo0]

Potty mouth.

ass is slang for a donkey

 

[thesuaveone]

this place is supposed to be for solid advice and help for anyone willing to follow it... to help thos not so serious guys get serious..... not for people to bash on eachother like high schoolers. having dillusional cliques is retarded and hig scholl bullshit which is why im dure it stopped... the ipidemy of GAY!

LOL, sorry needto, but your spelling gave you away.

 

[sincere81oo0]

LOL, sorry needto, but your spelling gave you away.

huh??? im typing in the dark bro.... im confused, are you calling me needto?
or apologizing to him??

 

[thesuaveone]

huh??? im typing in the dark bro.... im confused, are you calling me needto?
or apologizing to him??

LOL, nice try to cover bro, but it is pretty disingenuous (use google to figure out what that means) to come here and defend yourself with an alt account. Pretty sad really.

 

[sincere81oo0]

LOL, nice try to cover bro, but it is pretty disingenuous (use google to figure out what that means) to come here and defend yourself with an alt account. Pretty sad really.

lmao... check my threads newb.... i am in no way shape or form needto nor do i need to refer to a dictionary for such a mediocre high school term... anyway youll soon realize im not, once people read this thread and discover what retard you are.. then ill have my fun
anyway i have a life so goodnight all! have fun flaming this dumbass!

 

[thesuaveone]

LOL, ok needto. Have a good night, or was that your way to say you will be changing accounts now?

 

[holy ghost]

look bro, i havent seen you contribute to the board for shit

and what you do is a waste of post

as for needto hes a stand up guy and deals with newbs

personally i cant, so there you have it somebody has to.

 

[thesuaveone]

look bro, i havent seen you contribute to the board for shit...

And who are you?

 

[sincere81oo0]

?????????????????????????????

 

[Wulfgar]

I still read the posts here though I dont really answer alot of them
but i would agree the board seems pretty darn helpful compared to days of old.

 

[thesuaveone]

coming from a guy who makes some weak ass posts like brindging with d bol and using it as a cutter?? must be poor to have to do some shit like that.... yeah can be done but its the poor mans way out. me im more of a STAND UP GUY.... when i do something i collect the correct info on the best way if i dont already have it and do it right.... somebody has to

needto, you make my laughs come in big bunches.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I bet you and anthony look like dog turds next to ulter and macro...

Well what have we got here? Someone with 28 posts defending the AF boys. Oooh, I WONDER who it can be?

Sorry to school you sonny but my pics have been posted and so have Ulters. Now I'm no mass monster for sure but I've placed in the NPC. Ulter barely looks like a guy who works out a little.

I'm TWICE his age and have never in my life done HALF the amount of gear for HALF the amount of time.

Being arrogent is bad enough but being embarassingly stupid takes a special kind of asshole. Wise up.

 

[jacshelb]

Interesting post Nelson (start of the thread, first post). I haven't read through this entire thread. But, check out my join date. I've actually been reading quite awhile before that and have been here a long time. Some of the stuff you mention in your opening post is accurate. But, it never was the norm for the majority to reccomend dnp - dinitrophenol - - dinitrophenol - . In fact, as far back as I can remember there were always knowledgeable people screaming at us all to stay away from it. Of course, there were those who gave bad advice, purported themselves as experts when they obviously were not etc. But, I remember a lot of sane and rational people, for the most part, helping each other out. I remember posts discouraging younger people from using and so forth.

Also, at various times you were a laughing stock on this board. Not, because you gave bad information. But, because you were endlessly antagonistic, arrogant, and egocentric. Of course, that made you stand out, which, as I understand, was and is your objective. It was split sometimes more one way or another, some really dug you and others couldn't have cared less. I'm not hatin' on you, just telling what I saw and we've even talked briefly about it before. To be sure there were always members giving actual bad advice, scamming and so forth. But, there used to be several knowledgeable veterans as well.

 

[jacshelb]

I want to add this in. Nelson and I talked briefly on another board and kind of "agreed to disagree" on certain things. Truthfully, Nelson has a lot to offer and so much of the time I am on the same page with him on things like dosing length and amounts. At the roots of it, I think we are very similar in our experiences as we both started out very skinny and busted our asses to find a way to get bigger. Basically, the only thing I had a problem with him is with what I mentioned above, the antagonistic stuff, arrogance and so forth. To that, I do understand that it is more or less a good strong stance to take in an argument and a great marketing technique- it gets attention. It's not a problem for me at all lately, Nelson seems so much more calm and still gets a person's attention. But, in the old days I had my fill, quick! lol.

Anyway, like others have said, things have changed. Elite is still a good site. But, it was a good site before, I'm talking way back in 2001-2002 or so. It's had its ups and downs, share of scammers and armchair gurus. But, I am very glad to see it is still around and going strong!



Jacob

 

[jacshelb]

The things I miss about the old days.... Steven Takacs- omg, I know it's wrong to even say, but I damn near pissed in MY underwear when that thread about him came up.

A dude known as UOU or various incarnations that consistantly asked questions like, "how do you close and amp?" He went on to start his own "almost" rival board that turned into a big source/scammer fest and was shut down within about a year or so.

Someone posting about shooting themselves in the ass with a cattle pellet inject gun!

Someone posting about taking shots directly in the anus and asking, "Is it supposed to hurt this bad?"

This was all before I had ever tried anything for myself. I was just researching and stumbling across threads like these was better than watching comedy central! I've been around, been scammed, experimented with crazy things- formestane injectable gel...., written a newsletter that I used to put out in the back of Ironman, been stalked by a dealer I didn't even know.. etc etc. All the while I found my home, when it comes to this stuff, on elite!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'll admit. The needle in the anus post was fucking hilarious. (Maybe someone can dig that up).

jacshelb: As to your points, fair enough. But I will the defend the arrogent statement in that I had some strong opinions that were contrary to what was the norm -- heavy and long cycle lengths, aerobics, prohormones, the overuse of anti e's, the superiority of pharma grade gear, on and on and on. Most of the things I spoke about have been proven correct and many are now standard thinking. Vindication is awesome.

Now that doesn't give me an excuse to be arrogent, but when I had every mod, every self appointed guru and about a dozen members who sounded as if they were below the age of 14 busting my balls and flat out insulting me, well...let's just say I'm willing to debate but I don't take shit. I shot back. They shot back in spades, and eventually I bowed out. It just wasn't worth my time.

Everyone of those fools are gone and I'm still standing. Some have been busted for recreational drug sales, others were scamming members of the board. Most have quit lifting and maybe even a few are dead. So I reiterate, the board is much better now and I think the members have a better understanding of who I am. I can still be a wise ass and I have my convictions. But overall, the information this board provides in 2007 as compared to 1997 is the difference between a masters class and kindergarden.

 

[layinback]

I'll admit. The needle in the anus post was fucking hilarious. (Maybe someone can dig that up).

jacshelb: As to your points, fair enough. But I will the defend the arrogent statement in that I had some strong opinions that were contrary to what was the norm -- heavy and long cycle lengths, aerobics, prohormones, the overuse of anti e's, the superiority of pharma grade gear, on and on and on. Most of the things I spoke about have been proven correct and many are now standard thinking. Vindication is awesome.

Now that doesn't give me an excuse to be arrogent, but when I had every mod, every self appointed guru and about a dozen members who sounded as if they were below the age of 14 busting my balls and flat out insulting me, well...let's just say I'm willing to debate but I don't take shit. I shot back. They shot back in spades, and eventually I bowed out. It just wasn't worth my time.

Everyone of those fools are gone and I'm still standing. Some have been busted for recreational drug sales, others were scamming members of the board. Most have quit lifting and maybe even a few are dead. So I reiterate, the board is much better now and I think the members have a better understanding of who I am. I can still be a wise ass and I have my convictions. But overall, the information this board provides in 2007 as compared to 1997 is the difference between a masters class and kindergarden.

of course you are a little narcissistic, most successful ppl are! i am a lil full of myself, but i am very successful in most of my endeavors. most ppl envy it and women LOVE IT.

 

[mookie]

I thought the board was alot better back when I first joined. You had alot of vets with great info Terminator, Needsize, Wrongun, Bicepts, Galaxy even juice authority for being annoying to name a few and some good mods can't remember there exact names huckberry, generr13. Most of them didn't have agendas like most of the members that post alot now just trying to help. Look at the board now most of the posters that newbies listen to are trying to pimp something. The main poster is a reject c&c poster that now newbies listen too. Always find your post interesting Nelson and I think your a very knowledge bro even though you put needto in the same sentence as needsize and quadsweep. I still like this board because the other boards have alot of vets and they no there shit and not alot of newbies here you get alot of newbies asking questions so I can try to give the advice that I experienced from my own use.

 

[mookie]

what ever happened to the bro, dline?

Haven't seen him around here he was posting on another site I was on have to check to see the last time he posted over there.

 

[worldclass]

This thread has some good points. But a lot of it is just lies. Nelson unless you're 104 years old you're not twice as old as ulter. And from his pics you don't look any better. He didn't need to get lipo to get abs like you did. As far at the AF boys defending themselves goes. I wish they would. You wouldn't last 10 posts against them on just about any subject I've seen you write about. Go ahead, ask them to challenge you on a nutral site. Good luck with that Bro. I'm sure it's nice to feel safe and protected here at EF now that they don't expose your lack of science and the understanding of it. See I remember the real reason you left. Your views and theories about a holistic approach to PCT and telling people to buy your supplement formulas instead of Clomid and HCG was exposed. And your temper was, and even at times on this thread, out of control. No you and others have free reign to post anything about anything and no one can challenge you.

BTW Needto, the board doesn't say when an admin deletes a post. And they are still deleting most of what disappears.

Well what have we got here? Someone with 28 posts defending the AF boys. Oooh, I WONDER who it can be?

Sorry to school you sonny but my pics have been posted and so have Ulters. Now I'm no mass monster for sure but I've placed in the NPC. Ulter barely looks like a guy who works out a little.

I'm TWICE his age and have never in my life done HALF the amount of gear for HALF the amount of time.

Being arrogent is bad enough but being embarassingly stupid takes a special kind of asshole. Wise up.

 

[LAN T]

Speaking of which, I think it odd that "parm" is defending the way the board was 3 years ago when he has 34 posts.

Post count matters???!!? You are such a freaking self promoting tool I can't take it anymore. Arrogance seldom lends itself to self-awarenes!

 

[Thyck]

Well what have we got here? Someone with 28 posts defending the AF boys. Oooh, I WONDER who it can be?

Sorry to school you sonny but my pics have been posted and so have Ulters. Now I'm no mass monster for sure but I've placed in the NPC. Ulter barely looks like a guy who works out a little.

I'm TWICE his age and have never in my life done HALF the amount of gear for HALF the amount of time.

Being arrogent is bad enough but being embarassingly stupid takes a special kind of asshole. Wise up.

Funny for someone who is so confident in himself, you sure deleted my reply quick enough.

 

[jronimoe15]

i have to agree with you bro........just because people post doesn't mean they know what the hell they are posting! it reminds me of one of those people staying at a holiday inn, then all of a sudden they are healing people! i've been around these boards for years, and i've read a helluva a lot more than i post...........reason why???..........even after years of athletics and training, i'm still no expert, and don't think it's wise for me to tell others how to administer their supps!!!

as Parm said, there are a lot of knowledgable bros on this site, and many others, including Mac and Ulter.

Firstly,I wasn't defending the way the board was 3 years ago, I just said Ulter and Mac gave good advice, but as usual you don't like it when anyone says anything good about them. I think there are still some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

Secondly what the hell has my post count got to do with anything? Yea I only have 34 posts but I started reading this board long before I ever joined up.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion Nelson, not all opinions have to match yours. There are many peeps that think the board was better when 'they' were around, and before someone comes out with the 'why don't you go there then' comment, I just want to say that this is my opinion and as stated before I still think there are some very knowleadgeable bros on here.

 

[slat1]

You never know what anyone knows on this site until you study their posts over time.
There are a lot of knowledgeable people on this site.
They are not always posting though.
The people with the most knowledge may have the most to lose by posting!

 

[Miles M]

" Well what have we got here? "

That is great. It just needs a Bwahahahaha, and a picture of an evil villain cartoon bad guy rubbing his hands together in greedy anticipation.

 

[sincere81oo0]

why do i feel like random accoutns are popping up like crazy on this board the past week or so?????

 

[needtogetaas]

This thread has some good points. But a lot of it is just lies. Nelson unless you're 104 years old you're not twice as old as ulter. And from his pics you don't look any better. He didn't need to get lipo to get abs like you did. As far at the AF boys defending themselves goes. I wish they would. You wouldn't last 10 posts against them on just about any subject I've seen you write about. Go ahead, ask them to challenge you on a nutral site. Good luck with that Bro. I'm sure it's nice to feel safe and protected here at EF now that they don't expose your lack of science and the understanding of it. See I remember the real reason you left. Your views and theories about a holistic approach to PCT - post cycle therapy - and telling people to buy your supplement formulas instead of Clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - was exposed. And your temper was, and even at times on this thread, out of control. No you and others have free reign to post anything about anything and no one can challenge you.

BTW Needto, the board doesn't say when an admin deletes a post. And they are still deleting most of what disappears.

your kidding...even I could go post rounds with ulter...so much so that he could not take it and had to bomb me and the threaten to have me band in pm's...he could not handle it and had to resort to asking brr to have me band to witch brr band his ass instead...lmao I love it that him and his crones hate me so much...I laugh my ass of every time I think of that pm he sent me of how he was going to have me band then a day latter he gets band.I told his ass I would not be as easy to get rid of as the other members he did that kind of shit to,but no he was so sure he was going to get me....lolololololol
god I hope ulter is looking at this...hay ulter how you like me now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Funny for someone who is so confident in himself, you sure deleted my reply quick enough.

I didn't delete your post -- if you can read you'd see that. I responded to it.

 

[sincere81oo0]

lmao this shit is too funny...... the boards are like gangs hahaha

 

[Nelson Montana]

This thread has some good points. But a lot of it is just lies. Nelson unless you're 104 years old you're not twice as old as ulter.
....................................................................

HOW OLD IS ULTER? 30? OKAY, I GOT 20 YEARS ON HIM. I COMPETEED AT THE AGE OF 42 WHEN MY CYCLE WAS 200 MGS OF DECCA AND 20 MGS OF DBALL. THAT ISN'T EVEN A 'BRIDGE' FOR ULTER.

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And from his pics you don't look any better.
......................................................

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION. I'D BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT IF SOMEONE LOOKS GOOD OR BETTER. IN ALL HONESTY I DON'T THINK HE HAS HALF MY MUSCLE AND I'M ONLY ON HRT... BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. FOR A GUY WHO USES 2 GRAMS A WEEK, HE SHOULD BE A FUCKING MONSTER. HE AIN'T.


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He didn't need to get lipo to get abs like you did.

........................................

EITHER DID I. THAT WAS AN EXPERIMENT I VOLUNTEERED FOR. IT WAS AFTER I COMPETED.

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As far at the AF boys defending themselves goes. I wish they would. You wouldn't last 10 posts against them on just about any subject I've seen you write about. Go ahead, ask them to challenge you on a nutral site. Good luck with that Bro. I'm sure it's nice to feel safe and protected here at EF now that they don't expose your lack of science and the understanding of it.

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THIS HAS SUCH A "MEET ME AT THE FLAGPOLE AFTER SCHOOL FOR A FIGHT" RESONANCE TO IT. GOD, I HOPE YOU AREN'T OLDER THAN 16. THAT WOULD BE EMBARASSING.



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See I remember the real reason you left. Your views and theories about a holistic approach to PCT - post cycle therapy - and telling people to buy your supplement formulas instead of Clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - was exposed.

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IT WAS?! AS IT TURNS OUT MY FRIEND, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BECAME AWARE THAT MY ADVICE WORKED BETTER. NAME ONE PERSON WHO USED MY APPRAOCH TO PC T WHO HAD BAD RESULTS? YOU SEE, YOU CAN ARGUE, DEBATE, AND DIFFER, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE SHIT UP. THEN YOU REALLY LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.


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And your temper was, and even at times on this thread, out of control. No you and others have free reign to post anything about anything and no one can challenge you.


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THIS IS WHAT THE CONTROLLING MEMBERS TRIED TO CONVINCE THEIR LOYAL LITTLE HERD OF BY DELETING AND REWRITING MY POSTS. THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT PAL. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

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BTW Needto, the board doesn't say when an admin deletes a post. And they are still deleting most of what disappears.

..

 

[Nelson Montana]

And one more thing...

This was a positive thread that gave props to its members, the mods, the vets , Rick Rock, and due respect to the noobs. ALL...I mean ALL of the shit being flung is by people defending the old controllers of the board. What does that tell you?

 

[needtogetaas]

And one more thing...

This was a positive thread that gave props to its members, the mods, the vets , Rick Rock, and due respect to the noobs. ALL...I mean ALL of the shit being flung is by people defending the old controllers of the board. What does that tell you?

the sooner they leave stop comeing back or get band the sooner we wont have to worry about the disruptions...its funny how they never offer and once of knowledge or even make a good debate but can sling the most outlandish crap.

 

[jacshelb]

I'll admit. The needle in the anus post was fucking hilarious. (Maybe someone can dig that up).

jacshelb: As to your points, fair enough. But I will the defend the arrogent statement in that I had some strong opinions that were contrary to what was the norm -- heavy and long cycle lengths, aerobics, prohormones, the overuse of anti e's, the superiority of pharma grade gear, on and on and on. Most of the things I spoke about have been proven correct and many are now standard thinking. Vindication is awesome.

Now that doesn't give me an excuse to be arrogent, but when I had every mod, every self appointed guru and about a dozen members who sounded as if they were below the age of 14 busting my balls and flat out insulting me, well...let's just say I'm willing to debate but I don't take shit. I shot back. They shot back in spades, and eventually I bowed out. It just wasn't worth my time.

Everyone of those fools are gone and I'm still standing. Some have been busted for recreational drug sales, others were scamming members of the board. Most have quit lifting and maybe even a few are dead. So I reiterate, the board is much better now and I think the members have a better understanding of who I am. I can still be a wise ass and I have my convictions. But overall, the information this board provides in 2007 as compared to 1997 is the difference between a masters class and kindergarden.

Hey, exactly man. I would guess that "in person" you are probably not "arrogant" at all. Like I said, a very good marketing technique that I learned to respect, if not like. I'll admit, it used to get on my nerves because I felt that all the ball busting actually started to take away from some of the good information. But, whatever, I'm more of the mind of "whatever gets the job done" these days. I'm a little older and a lot more laid back than I used to be.


Jacob

 

[Miles M]

Nelson, what level did you compete at and did you win?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, what level did you compete at and did you win?

Nah, placed 5th. Not a sterling career, and never was meant to be. Did it more for fun. But I did it.

 

[ricorico]

And one more thing...

This was a positive thread that gave props to its members, the mods, the vets , Rick Rock, and due respect to the noobs. ALL...I mean ALL of the shit being flung is by people defending the old controllers of the board. What does that tell you?

i dont know how u viewed your initial post as "positive", bc ive been on EF for several years now and am also a member at AFboard, and your comments about the board imply that everyone over there is Stupid, so i take offense. Im not a newbie, so i read things and research the facts before making an opinion, i dont just interpret everything you type as Gospel and correct. Because its not. And people should have a right to opinions. No matter what product they use, clomid, aifm, or derma. And EF is looked down upon on several other boards, not just AF.........but what ive seen on this board as of late is people giving advice, who probably shouldnt be. Bc its biased, and incorrect info. ....i bet constitutional rights are waved here and i now get banned, or my post deleted

 

[Miles M]

I'm TWICE his age and have never in my life done HALF the amount of gear for HALF the amount of time.

Ulter is in his 50's, but looks in his 30's. He does look young for his age, no wrinkles, good hair line. I am in my mid to late 40's, and people frequently tell me I look in my 30's - I think in part because of living an AF type lifestyle.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ulter is in his 50's, but looks in his 30's. He does look young for his age, no wrinkles, good hair line. I am in my mid to late 40's, and people frequently tell me I look in my 30's - I think in part because of living an AF type lifestyle.

fucking 5 post wonders are cracking me up here...ulter get the fuck of ef we dont want you here......

 

[Kabeetz]

Ulter and Mac must be some pretty knowledgable bros if people are willing to spend 10 pages of thread defending and discussing them. Impressive, and the positive legacy will not be tarnished by those who wish to re-write history and delete posts in a vain attempt to impress a few newbs.

If you dislike them so much, simply stop bringing them up. It is really that simple. Anything less is just petty, desparate and more than a little sad.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ulter and Mac must be some pretty knowledgable bros if people are willing to spend 10 pages of thread defending and discussing them. Impressive, and the positive legacy will not be tarnished by those who wish to re-write history and delete posts in a vain attempt to impress a few newbs.

If you dislike them so much, simply stop bringing them up. It is really that simple. Anything less is just petty, desparate and more than a little sad.

ok cool go to the aifm board and apply this post there...only about me.lmao
there is 500X more talk about me on there site then there is about them here so I think you need to apply this post over there bro.....ha ha

 

[jpt]

pls ban me so i am no longer allowed to post on this aweful aweful site!!!!!!!

kab..don't know why you still post here...it's obvious these 2 tools know nothing about science.

 

[Parm]

Ulter and Mac must be some pretty knowledgable bros if people are willing to spend 10 pages of thread defending and discussing them. Impressive, and the positive legacy will not be tarnished by those who wish to re-write history and delete posts in a vain attempt to impress a few newbs.

If you dislike them so much, simply stop bringing them up. It is really that simple. Anything less is just petty, desparate and more than a little sad.

Good point. Like I keep saying,there are still some knowleadgeable bros here but the fact is Ulter and Mac know their stuff and like it or not they have helped many people achieve great results. If some on here don't like them, don't post about them but there will always be some of us that will defend them because they did and still do help A LOT of people.

Regarding deleting posts, that still happens now, posts that are not liked still get deleted, mac or ulter were not the only one's that did that.

 

[jpt]

oh and needto...i def wouldn't flatter yourself. your hardly mentioned over there...and when you are it usually brings levity to the post.

 

[needtogetaas]

oh and needto...i def wouldn't flatter yourself. your hardly mentioned over there...and when you are it usually brings levity to the post.

lmao do a search on my name...500 threads pop up and the funny part is I have never even made a single post on that site.

 

[needtogetaas]

go over to the aifm board and talk back to ulter or mac..do it just once and see what will happen...go over there and make a thread about how aifm gave people 3rd degree burns see what happens to the thread...I am willing to bet they use the same tactics there they did here..they will band your ass and no one will ever know you ever existed or that you ever made a post or a thread....

I bet there ant a thread there with some one talking back to ether of them..its on big nut swinging fest who wants to prov other wise.lmao members that ever talked back to them or said any thing bad about them got band before any one ever new them...

what I find funny is there is some members that know this first hand there are some members that are here on this site now posting under a deferent handle that got band by ulter for talking back to them and that member acts like ulter is his hero...wonder how much ulter paid his ass.

I worked my ass of to get that member back on the site after he got band and he runs around talking shit about me now...there is no end to what them to clowns will do just to look good...they will pay you off band you shit I even know they were making threats to call le on people and even had other members do so...

ya there are some die hards but ill tell every dame person new and old how fucked up them to are till the day I die and guess what guys witch one of you is going to stop me...not a dame single one of you....

 

[worldclass]

Where do you get this stuff?
Ulter is 51 or 52yo and uses 500mg/wk for HRT (reading his log)

Meet them at the flagpole? Okay. First you talk about how you challenged them and then you say the idea of a challenge is beneath you.

Needto, Sorry to disappoint. Very few people from the old EF, utler included will ever read this or any posts on EF. I have to go find them on all the other boards. BRR traded ulter for you? I didn't know that. I'll bet he's very proud.

.This thread has some good points. But a lot of it is just lies. Nelson unless you're 104 years old you're not twice as old as ulter.
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HOW OLD IS ULTER? 30? OKAY, I GOT 20 YEARS ON HIM. I COMPETEED AT THE AGE OF 42 WHEN MY CYCLE WAS 200 MGS OF DECCA AND 20 MGS OF DBALL. THAT ISN'T EVEN A 'BRIDGE' FOR ULTER.

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And from his pics you don't look any better.
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YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION. I'D BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT IF SOMEONE LOOKS GOOD OR BETTER. IN ALL HONESTY I DON'T THINK HE HAS HALF MY MUSCLE AND I'M ONLY ON HRT... BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. FOR A GUY WHO USES 2 GRAMS A WEEK, HE SHOULD BE A FUCKING MONSTER. HE AIN'T.


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He didn't need to get lipo to get abs like you did.

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EITHER DID I. THAT WAS AN EXPERIMENT I VOLUNTEERED FOR. IT WAS AFTER I COMPETED.

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As far at the AF boys defending themselves goes. I wish they would. You wouldn't last 10 posts against them on just about any subject I've seen you write about. Go ahead, ask them to challenge you on a nutral site. Good luck with that Bro. I'm sure it's nice to feel safe and protected here at EF now that they don't expose your lack of science and the understanding of it.

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THIS HAS SUCH A "MEET ME AT THE FLAGPOLE AFTER SCHOOL FOR A FIGHT" RESONANCE TO IT. GOD, I HOPE YOU AREN'T OLDER THAN 16. THAT WOULD BE EMBARASSING.



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See I remember the real reason you left. Your views and theories about a holistic approach to PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - and telling people to buy your supplement formulas instead of Clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - was exposed.

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IT WAS?! AS IT TURNS OUT MY FRIEND, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BECAME AWARE THAT MY ADVICE WORKED BETTER. NAME ONE PERSON WHO USED MY APPRAOCH TO PC T WHO HAD BAD RESULTS? YOU SEE, YOU CAN ARGUE, DEBATE, AND DIFFER, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE SHIT UP. THEN YOU REALLY LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT.


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And your temper was, and even at times on this thread, out of control. No you and others have free reign to post anything about anything and no one can challenge you.


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THIS IS WHAT THE CONTROLLING MEMBERS TRIED TO CONVINCE THEIR LOYAL LITTLE HERD OF BY DELETING AND REWRITING MY POSTS. THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT PAL. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

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BTW Needto, the board doesn't say when an admin deletes a post. And they are still deleting most of what disappears..