Yeeks, 10mth's later gyno..

[JoNeS]

Been Off gear for 10 mth's and off Nolva and letro for 8mth's. 2 days ago, what do you fuckin know, but 2 pea sized, painful, lumps under each side of nipps appear.

-Anyone know what caused this to happen so late? I used letro through-out the cycle. Last cyc was 750mg test ew, 80mg var ed. for 10 weeks.

-I'm starting some letro @ 1.25mg ed, or more if it doesn't clear, then 2 weeks of nolva after to avoid an estrogen reboound.

-Is there anything else that I should change or do?

 

[njmuscleguy]

VERY common dude, though more so common when something like de-ca is in the mix (that stays in your system for quite a while). A buddy of mine ran de-ca then almost a year later got a bad case of gyno. Run the le-tro and no-lva as you stated, give it time. You may even want to run some cabaser with it just in case it's prolactin-related

 

[bsdgeek]

bloodwork? maybe?

 

[perryscoon]

Same exact thing happened to me. I got gyno months AFTER my cycle. I was drinking a lot though so that probably didn't help either. I ran a bottle of letro and the painful lump went away but the nip is still disproportioned.

 

[Smokescreen]

Did you do PCT - post cycle therapy - ? Perhaps you came off the juice. Your natural test never returned back to normal. And Estrogen dominated. Hence...VOILA! Gyno!

 

[jumpmaster82]

use nova and clomid until it goes away bro. Or femera

 

[Wulfgar]

same thing happened to me. Get it cut out bro. It will save you alot of trouble and time wasted as well as your cholesterol levels from prolonged high dose anti-E's

 

[Smokescreen]

same thing happened to me. Get it cut out bro. It will save you alot of trouble and time wasted as well as your cholesterol levels from prolonged high dose anti-E's

Yeah but really come on! How much is that going to cost? And it will grow back again if the E is high enough.

 

[ALIN]

Been Off gear for 10 mth's and off Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and Femera - letrozole - for 8mth's. 2 days ago, what do you fuckin know, but 2 pea sized, painful, lumps under each side of nipps appear.

-Anyone know what caused this to happen so late? I used Femera - letrozole - through-out the cycle. Last cyc was 750mg test ew, 80mg Anavar - oxandrolone - ed. for 10 weeks.

-I'm starting some Femera - letrozole - @ 1.25mg ed, or more if it doesn't clear, then 2 weeks of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - after to avoid an estrogen reboound.

-Is there anything else that I should change or do?

most likely your own natural test levels are low and estrogen levels elevated

 

[Smokescreen]

most likely your own natural test levels are low and estrogen levels elevated

Yeap! I say the same thing too.

 

[Zuperman]

Yeah but really come on! How much is that going to cost? And it will grow back again if the E is high enough.

there you go man!! please tell them that it really does grow back, no matter what the doctor says!!! remember he gets paid either way. all he has to say is that you are an exception to the rule.

 

[Wulfgar]

Yeah but really come on! How much is that going to cost? And it will grow back again if the E is high enough.

Most of the time if you get gyno it is normally from a rooted case of epithlial proliferation stemming from puberty. A good surgeon will take the ENTIRE gland out...rendering the space empty. Unless you go so crazy on gear your estrogen levels rocket enough to let a few remianing cell turn into a whole new case of gyno Im pretty sure you will be in the clear.

 

[bsdgeek]

dude, get some bloodwork done, then use some letr.o first, if that doesn't cure it, then have the surgery done. always use the knife as a last resort. just my 2.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I hear of so many guys that have the surgery, only to have it be unsuccessful (meaning the gyno comes back...because not all of the tissue was removed).... people NEED to understand that the surgery is NOT fool-proof!

 

[JoNeS]

most likely your own natural test levels are low and estrogen levels elevated

Would it help to reverse the gyno if i added 250mg's test ew for 10 or so weeks, in addition to the letro?

 

[mustang_00]

I haven't been on anything for almost 2 years now and i "think" i have it on my right nip. I hadn't noticed anything until i stopped lifting due to a work injury. I hadn't lifted for a month and i noticed a sharp pain when i layed down on my chest. it only hurts (akward pain) when something is touching it. if i rub it for a few minutes the pain goes away but comes back a little while later. i'm curious to know what brand gear was taken and pct brand also from the above posters with it. pm any info to me! more or less curious... a old guy from my gym told me to take midol and drink assloads of water. i remember reading a article about that back in 03 but can't find it anywhere!? anyone hear that????

 

[JoNeS]

most likely your own natural test levels are low and estrogen levels elevated

Would it help to reverse the gyno if i added 250mg's test ew for 10 or so weeks, in addition to the letro?

 

[Smokescreen]

Would it help to reverse the gyno if i added 250mg's test ew for 10 or so weeks, in addition to the letro?

Proviron or Masteron will do.

 

[bsdgeek]

Would it help to reverse the gyno if i added 250mg's test ew for 10 or so weeks, in addition to the letro?

if you're not going to get bloodwork as i previously advised, then get some aromasin and letro. use the letro in good dosages until the lumps go away, then when they're gone, use some aromasin at 20 mg a day for about 2 weeks. this should help with the rebound. jus my 2, hope this helps.

 

[Smokescreen]

if you're not going to get bloodwork as i previously advised, then get some aromasin and letro. use the letro in good dosages until the lumps go away, then when they're gone, use some aromasin at 20 mg a day for about 2 weeks. this should help with the rebound. jus my 2, hope this helps.

That's an excessive amount of Estrogen lowering IMO! He would become extremely lethargic and quite irritable.

 

[[email protected]]

I had gyno (#32cCup)from drinking and AAS. It somehow made me feel more compassionate about things, in a feminine way! OH SHIT! Am I turning into an "Anthony"?! LOL TOO MUCH ESTROGEN!!! I went on a thirty day water fast to get that shit out! of me and it worked! Thank you, Dr. Penn! May God Bless All!

 

[bsdgeek]

That's an excessive amount of Estrogen lowering IMO! He would become extremely lethargic and quite irritable.

yep, but he's battling gyno with no bloodwork, any prescription we give him is a guess right now. he has no idea where his estro levels are, nor his test levels. we have no idea what's going on with him without bloodwork. i'm sure he'd be very aggitated by the 3rd or 4th day, hell, his joints should be aching by day 3 or 4, but if it'll kill his gyno without having to go to the doc and get cut on, so be it. again, without proper bloodwork, we're all guessing. just my 2 bro, but i hate guessing- i'm an engineer BTW.

 

[Smokescreen]

yep, but he's battling gyno with no bloodwork, any prescription we give him is a guess right now. he has no idea where his estro levels are, nor his test levels. we have no idea what's going on with him without bloodwork. i'm sure he'd be very aggitated by the 3rd or 4th day, hell, his joints should be aching by day 3 or 4, but if it'll kill his gyno without having to go to the doc and get cut on, so be it. again, without proper bloodwork, we're all guessing. just my 2 bro, but i hate guessing- i'm an engineer BTW.

Wait! You mean he never got bloodwork?! OMFG!!! Yes! Get bloodwork! Always. Go here...I always do.

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/

 

[bsdgeek]

Wait! You mean he never got bloodwork?! OMFG!!! Yes! Get bloodwork! Always. Go here...I always do.

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/

yep yep. ditto carth, i knew we were on the same page, we just missed it a couple times

 

[JoNeS]

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[Smokescreen]

Do what I do first. Do this in order so save money. Hope you got insurance. Do you? Ok...do this. Go first to your primary physician. And go dressed really bummy. I want you to go in looking like shit really! Look like shit...act like shit. You feel like shit! Remember that! Claim that you have been feeling very, very weak as of late. And quite unmotivated to do anything! Tell them you go to sleep at 10pm every night. And get up at 9am. And you're still a bit tired. Once again...go dressed like shit. Unmotivated, lazy, weak people always dress and look like shit. Hell! Don't shave for a few days neither.

Tell the doc that you want a full complete bloodwork. You need to know what is going on. Of course, docs with all their "so-called" godly knowledge. Will try to outbeat you all the time. In order to save them time. And make them money. He/She will probably try to "figure" out what is wrong with you by suggesting stupid things like....

You need more sleep
Go for a jog more often
What are you eating? You need more fruits and veggies.

Whatever He tells you. You must outbeat them! Always! Say yes, I take afternoon naps. I go for daily jogs. And I eat plenty of fruits and veggies everyday! In fact..you can't get enought of those fruits and veggies! Yummmm!!!

Again! Demand a bloodwork. Say won't leave until you get a bloodwork and began to raise your voice a bit if you must. Put a crazy look on your face if you must. I know I do and it works to get what I want. Last thing anyone wants is a big muscular MOFO going ballistic on their ass. Right?!

Ok! Get your bloodwork and check every fucking day back for your results. Then go to this site and just get a Test for the following. It will cost you though. Get a test for Test and Estrogen. That's all you will need really. I'm sure the Doc will cover the rest. And your insurance will pay.

And remember this bro....

GOOD GUYS FINISH LAST! ALWAYS!
Learn to beat the system. Or else the system beats you.

 

[JoNeS]

Alright Man, thanks for all the info, will keep the thread updated

 

[[email protected]]

Been Off gear for 10 mth's and off Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and Femera - letrozole - for 8mth's. 2 days ago, what do you fuckin know, but 2 pea sized, painful, lumps under each side of nipps appear.

-Anyone know what caused this to happen so late? I used Femera - letrozole - through-out the cycle. Last cyc was 750mg test ew, 80mg Anavar - oxandrolone - ed. for 10 weeks.

-I'm starting some Femera - letrozole - @ 1.25mg ed, or more if it doesn't clear, then 2 weeks of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - after to avoid an estrogen reboound.

-Is there anything else that I should change or do?

What the hell!? You had to been overdosing? I've using test and deca with no gyno for two years! Yet, once I stop I made need 38bcup! LMAO

 

[SaladFork]

Wait! You mean he never got bloodwork?! OMFG!!! Yes! Get bloodwork! Always. Go here...I always do.

http://www.healthcheckusa.com/

Good call, never seen these. What test should he order?

T-

 

[Smokescreen]

Good call, never seen these. What test should he order?

T-

I'd say Test, Estrogen, and Progesterone. Progesterone test is only $35. Might as well get it. Test is a little more. E is the one that costs way more. But fuck! Just get it and see whats up! LOL