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WTF!! two months and no gains
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Basement Dweller
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Bro - I'm also 6'4", and used to weigh about 160# soaking wet. You should get some newbie gains (10-15 pounds) if you eat like crazy and don't overtrain. Stick with the basic movements: bench, squat, curl, mil press, rows, dips, etc. Train each body part once a week. After warming up, go heavy on a few sets (7-10 reps). NO CARDIO!! And bottom line.....eat until you think you are going to puke, then eat some more. Set the alarm, and wake up in the middle of the night to eat if you have to. 300+ grams of protein per day. Try some creatine if you want to gain a few quick pounds and get yourself motivated. It took many years, but I hit 220 naturally.
what about your measurements? forget the weight........
when I started working out, I weight 150, and for six months my weight stayed the same. Then after that I actualy lost weight.
went down to 130. i'm 150 again, but a different 150. my measurements are totaly different now. for example, my arms were 12" now they are almost 15". see what I mean.
kj
when I started working out, I weight 150, and for six months my weight stayed the same. Then after that I actualy lost weight.
went down to 130. i'm 150 again, but a different 150. my measurements are totaly different now. for example, my arms were 12" now they are almost 15". see what I mean.
kj
jacshelb
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I'm 6'2" and started out last year at about 145-150, now at 165-170. Everything above sounds good. The best thing I can tell you (I've been lifting off and on for 8 years, obviously off just before getting real skinny) is to do powerlifting movements like deadlifts, clean and jerks, squats etc. They may not make sense to you because they aren't working one specific muscle, but, believe me, it's the only way to getting bigger at all for us skinny guys. I wasted years lifting to build my chest, lats, biceps etc. instead of just bulking.
Now I train once every 9 days or so with powerlifting movements and muscle specific movements. I've been gaining a solid pound every week since I started doing it this way. Hopefully it will continue.
It's just a thought, and a way of training you'll probably never hear talked about too much. Good luck!
Jacob
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Now I train once every 9 days or so with powerlifting movements and muscle specific movements. I've been gaining a solid pound every week since I started doing it this way. Hopefully it will continue.
It's just a thought, and a way of training you'll probably never hear talked about too much. Good luck!
Jacob
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Scaggs
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I would say you're overtraining. I had the same problem. I always failed in the gym untill i figured out my body and the secret to an ectomorph. I was 143 at 6 foot 2 and a half years ago. Now I'm just under 180. I was skinny as hell. All it was was the wrong exercises and too often at too early in the game. You need to just stimulate growth right now. 1 year later you will be able to hit them much harder and add exercises. Focus on movements that produce Growth Hormone. These will be the most painfull exercises you can do but are a necessity to a body like yours. train 2 days a week using three different routines. an A routine, a B routine and a C routine. Monday and Thursday only or whatever days are better for you but two full resting days in between training days and 3 days rest before the next week begins. When the following monday comes around pick up Routine C. and keep going lilke that. Rest is your best friend for your first year. Always Squat first.
Use these exercises- free squats, dead lifts, bent over barbell rows, clean and jerk, clean and press, stiff legged deadlifts, incline bench, incline flies, flat bench, flat flies, military presses standing curls, dips, close grip bench presses. lat pulldowns, upright rows. Only do 2 sets maximum at low reps. 5 to 7. Work hard. You need to force the GH. Trust me. 1 or 2 warmup sets at 50% of the working wieght. forget about isolation exercises like forearms, calve raises, concetration curls, and any other movement that will take away from your recovery. Stay with the core movements your first year. And absolutely NO CARDIO. if you can drive don't walk. if you can sit don't stand.
Now that is just 1 part of the equation for you. 2nd part of the equation is your nutrition. if you don't do it you are shoveling shit against the tide. it goes nowhere. 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. increase your carbs. go to atleast 400 grams of carbs a day. you will need a high carb protien shake to do this. one in the morning and one at night. never sleep on an empty stomach. take a fast acting pure whey amino protien immediately after you train. Eat within 2 hours of that. Cycling creatine will help you put on and hold some water weight and will help you train hard. If you want you can even include a prohormone but not a necessity.
3rd part of the equation is your rest. 8 hours of sleep minimum. The added rest between workouts will make you feel like you are on vacation between training days. Exactly what you need to nudge your muscles. Right now they are fighting you ever which way to not grow. More is not better. Not yet. Within 4 months of this routine you should have packed on 8lbs of lean mass. Listen to your body. if you have aches in your legs you might be overtrained. Loss of motivation is another sign.
Use those above exercises and set them up in a way that Routine A gave you flat flies and where your chest isn't hit again until Routine C comes in at incline flies (alternation) at 7 days later. Do you see what i mean? Do that style for all your Routines. The main starters of every day should either be deadlifts or squats. Those are your ultimate GH producers and have one of them on every training day. Eventually you will come to like that fact that you are as lean as you are. You'll always be ripped. Just give it time and don't get discouraged.
PM if you want any other info on The A & B routine. I think i might still have mine saved in a Exel Doc.
Good Luck
Scaggs
thanx for all the help guys, scaggs very informative . im going to start that a,b,c training routine and see how that works out. im also trying my hardest to take in as much carbs and protien as i can handle. some of you suggested trying creatine. i used it for about four weeks durring the summer and saw mild gains, but i lost it all when i discontinued use. scaggs as for prohormones, well a lot of people seem to say that 18 is to young. im undecided because i dont have that much knowledge on the subject, but you will be happy to know that im using the search function to read past posts. how do you feel about prohormones? and age?
Scaggs
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Well Me personally have always been one to make my own decisions and said screw the consiquences if they are only in theory. If there is absolute proof that a prohormone would damage you at your age then I would not take them. Let me put it this way... If I was 18 again and was a skinny as I was at 18, I would have done any Steroid I could get my hands on at that time. I just couldn't get it. And we all know most steroids can have some serious sides. I guess its up to you. I would have taken 1-test or 1-ad when I was 18 sure. I think you're lucky to have them available to you now. Shit I've heard of kids 10-15 years old on real juice. Now I can't imagine 1-test or 1-ad hurting you if you do it smart and cycle it. At your age though you might experience some shoulder acne. That I still get at 24. Learn to live with it. Bodybuilding itself makes me break out. A dermatologist will almost 100% of the time remedy any acne problems you may get.
I would try the 1-test transdermal - VPX Sports (i have a thread in supplements called before and after pics of 3rd week of 1-test) You'll see how it helped me on training 2 days a week. Off days i would just do neck abs and forearms. nothing to exerting.
1-AD Ergopharm is another great one.
Pinnacle Andro Poppers are awsome.
One+ or One from Avantlabs.com is another good one.
Whatever best fits in your $$$
As far as the A B C routine, split up all those excercises whichever way your body responds best to. If one muscle group is still sore by the next routine, then move it to another day to give more rest. never train a swore muscle. 5 or 6 exercises per workout (not all of those above) jeeze that would put you in a coma.
Oh and def cycle the creatine. Try Twinlabs fizz fuel. Its Efervescent and works the best on me. Some reason powder doesnt' work that great on me and i get swamp ass. Get all these ballistics together before you start your new routine and you should recieve great results. Good Luck. Keep me posted
Scaggs
I would try the 1-test transdermal - VPX Sports (i have a thread in supplements called before and after pics of 3rd week of 1-test) You'll see how it helped me on training 2 days a week. Off days i would just do neck abs and forearms. nothing to exerting.
1-AD Ergopharm is another great one.
Pinnacle Andro Poppers are awsome.
One+ or One from Avantlabs.com is another good one.
Whatever best fits in your $$$
As far as the A B C routine, split up all those excercises whichever way your body responds best to. If one muscle group is still sore by the next routine, then move it to another day to give more rest. never train a swore muscle. 5 or 6 exercises per workout (not all of those above) jeeze that would put you in a coma.
Oh and def cycle the creatine. Try Twinlabs fizz fuel. Its Efervescent and works the best on me. Some reason powder doesnt' work that great on me and i get swamp ass. Get all these ballistics together before you start your new routine and you should recieve great results. Good Luck. Keep me postedScaggs
well i looked at you site and the pictures show a nice change. but dont u shoot the 1-test . i cant stand that shit. and with the 1-ad, well i just dont want all those crazy side effects. i already have some mild acne and i really dont want to break out like mad. are the side effects really that bad, cuz i dont wanna like loose my hair and sh!t
Scaggs
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You'll only lose your hair if for one, your predisposed to male pattern baldness. Look at your mothers fathers hair or your fathers hair. That should just give you an idea. Also its not def that you would lose hair anyway on PH's.
1-test is transdermal which means it absorbs through the lining in your mouth. You just swish it around for a minute or two. You can also get 1-test in a gel that you rub on your skin. Or you take oral 1-ad. the sides are not that bad and aren't a def that you would get any. The acne would most likely come on your shoulders and traps and not your face if it effected you that way. some it doesn't. I think you would be ok if you took 1-test. I speak from exp and didn't get any sides from it. So try that over the others first.
Scaggs
1-test is transdermal which means it absorbs through the lining in your mouth. You just swish it around for a minute or two. You can also get 1-test in a gel that you rub on your skin. Or you take oral 1-ad. the sides are not that bad and aren't a def that you would get any. The acne would most likely come on your shoulders and traps and not your face if it effected you that way. some it doesn't. I think you would be ok if you took 1-test. I speak from exp and didn't get any sides from it. So try that over the others first.
Scaggs
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The Shadow
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1tallguy said:
Easy:
..and this is coming form a person who went form 150 to 230...
1 - EAT
2 - EAT some more
3 - By eta I mean 30x bodyweight in cals
4 - go to training baord and search my "Old School Program"
5 - Follow it for 6 weeks and you will be 12-15 pounds heavier
6 - add creatine
