Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below well to start things off im new to the board, this is my first post. i came across the site the outher day and it seamed to be quite informative. so hears my problem. im kinda new to weight lifting, been working out for four months and i enjoy every second of it. two months ago i started taking met-rex and trac. no my problem is that im not seeing any gains. i have stayed at the same weight and thats my problem. im 6'4 and weight in a a measly 160lbs. my goal is to bulk up, alot. ive been pueny my whole life, which has been all of 18 years, so now its time fo r a change. i want to be huge, i know this cant happen right away but it seems as if nothing is happining. can u guys give me n e advice. am i taking the wring supps. wtf. i cant stand being underweight n e more
WTF!! two months and no gains
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Greek Freak
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your problem may be overtraining...read over a couple of basic training articles and see if you have any of hte symptoms. Also make sure your taking in enough protein/calories..cant grow if you dont eat.
well to tell you the truth, i eat soo much its not even funny. and i dont eat junk food or candy or crap like that. i eat alot of chicken and pasta mostly though i do eat some steak. and as for my workout, well i diont think that im overtraining. i go to the gym about 4 sometimes 5 times a week, and i never workout the same stuff two days in a row. how many shakes do you guys drink a day? i think im gunna start drinking more and see if that has any affect
training routine is very important you really have to shock your muscles you're defainatly an ectomorph thats something you need to read up on you're probably not training your legs very much which is so important squats dead lifts all that good shit its the only way to get your smaller muscles to really grow and hang in there 18 to 22 is when you'll be able to start packing on some pounds believe me i've seen it happen take your time get into a good groove it'll come together your diet sounds good make sure you're drinking your shakes right after your workouts the best way to feed your muscles oh yeah working out 5 times a week is too much!!! 4 tops
1)Increase your calorie intake! Sounds like you're burn what you take or worse...your burning more than you take in! Supp in some MRPs and eat eat eat!
2)Cut your training down to 3 days a week. Follow more of a powerlifting type workout (squats, d-lifts, bench).
3)Do no cardio. Don't run when you can walk, don't walk when you can sit, don't sit when you can lay down!....words from one of my ecto friends.
2)Cut your training down to 3 days a week. Follow more of a powerlifting type workout (squats, d-lifts, bench).
3)Do no cardio. Don't run when you can walk, don't walk when you can sit, don't sit when you can lay down!....words from one of my ecto friends.
It is also harder for somebody of your height to make large gains as compared to someone that is 5'8" because your muscle bellies are alot longer and take more time to grow. I am 6'2" and it took me about 10 years of training to get to where I am now. I would give anything to be 2-3 inches shorter. Just set a long term goal for yourself and stick to it. Good luck.
Basement Dweller
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Bro - I'm also 6'4", and used to weigh about 160# soaking wet. You should get some newbie gains (10-15 pounds) if you eat like crazy and don't overtrain. Stick with the basic movements: bench, squat, curl, mil press, rows, dips, etc. Train each body part once a week. After warming up, go heavy on a few sets (7-10 reps). NO CARDIO!! And bottom line.....eat until you think you are going to puke, then eat some more. Set the alarm, and wake up in the middle of the night to eat if you have to. 300+ grams of protein per day. Try some creatine if you want to gain a few quick pounds and get yourself motivated. It took many years, but I hit 220 naturally.
what about your measurements? forget the weight........
when I started working out, I weight 150, and for six months my weight stayed the same. Then after that I actualy lost weight.
went down to 130. i'm 150 again, but a different 150. my measurements are totaly different now. for example, my arms were 12" now they are almost 15". see what I mean.
kj
when I started working out, I weight 150, and for six months my weight stayed the same. Then after that I actualy lost weight.
went down to 130. i'm 150 again, but a different 150. my measurements are totaly different now. for example, my arms were 12" now they are almost 15". see what I mean.
kj
jacshelb
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I'm 6'2" and started out last year at about 145-150, now at 165-170. Everything above sounds good. The best thing I can tell you (I've been lifting off and on for 8 years, obviously off just before getting real skinny) is to do powerlifting movements like deadlifts, clean and jerks, squats etc. They may not make sense to you because they aren't working one specific muscle, but, believe me, it's the only way to getting bigger at all for us skinny guys. I wasted years lifting to build my chest, lats, biceps etc. instead of just bulking.
Now I train once every 9 days or so with powerlifting movements and muscle specific movements. I've been gaining a solid pound every week since I started doing it this way. Hopefully it will continue.
It's just a thought, and a way of training you'll probably never hear talked about too much. Good luck!
Jacob
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Now I train once every 9 days or so with powerlifting movements and muscle specific movements. I've been gaining a solid pound every week since I started doing it this way. Hopefully it will continue.
It's just a thought, and a way of training you'll probably never hear talked about too much. Good luck!
Jacob
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Scaggs
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I would say you're overtraining. I had the same problem. I always failed in the gym untill i figured out my body and the secret to an ectomorph. I was 143 at 6 foot 2 and a half years ago. Now I'm just under 180. I was skinny as hell. All it was was the wrong exercises and too often at too early in the game. You need to just stimulate growth right now. 1 year later you will be able to hit them much harder and add exercises. Focus on movements that produce Growth Hormone. These will be the most painfull exercises you can do but are a necessity to a body like yours. train 2 days a week using three different routines. an A routine, a B routine and a C routine. Monday and Thursday only or whatever days are better for you but two full resting days in between training days and 3 days rest before the next week begins. When the following monday comes around pick up Routine C. and keep going lilke that. Rest is your best friend for your first year. Always Squat first.
Use these exercises- free squats, dead lifts, bent over barbell rows, clean and jerk, clean and press, stiff legged deadlifts, incline bench, incline flies, flat bench, flat flies, military presses standing curls, dips, close grip bench presses. lat pulldowns, upright rows. Only do 2 sets maximum at low reps. 5 to 7. Work hard. You need to force the GH. Trust me. 1 or 2 warmup sets at 50% of the working wieght. forget about isolation exercises like forearms, calve raises, concetration curls, and any other movement that will take away from your recovery. Stay with the core movements your first year. And absolutely NO CARDIO. if you can drive don't walk. if you can sit don't stand.
Now that is just 1 part of the equation for you. 2nd part of the equation is your nutrition. if you don't do it you are shoveling shit against the tide. it goes nowhere. 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. increase your carbs. go to atleast 400 grams of carbs a day. you will need a high carb protien shake to do this. one in the morning and one at night. never sleep on an empty stomach. take a fast acting pure whey amino protien immediately after you train. Eat within 2 hours of that. Cycling creatine will help you put on and hold some water weight and will help you train hard. If you want you can even include a prohormone but not a necessity.
3rd part of the equation is your rest. 8 hours of sleep minimum. The added rest between workouts will make you feel like you are on vacation between training days. Exactly what you need to nudge your muscles. Right now they are fighting you ever which way to not grow. More is not better. Not yet. Within 4 months of this routine you should have packed on 8lbs of lean mass. Listen to your body. if you have aches in your legs you might be overtrained. Loss of motivation is another sign.
Use those above exercises and set them up in a way that Routine A gave you flat flies and where your chest isn't hit again until Routine C comes in at incline flies (alternation) at 7 days later. Do you see what i mean? Do that style for all your Routines. The main starters of every day should either be deadlifts or squats. Those are your ultimate GH producers and have one of them on every training day. Eventually you will come to like that fact that you are as lean as you are. You'll always be ripped. Just give it time and don't get discouraged.
PM if you want any other info on The A & B routine. I think i might still have mine saved in a Exel Doc.
Good Luck
Scaggs
thanx for all the help guys, scaggs very informative . im going to start that a,b,c training routine and see how that works out. im also trying my hardest to take in as much carbs and protien as i can handle. some of you suggested trying creatine. i used it for about four weeks durring the summer and saw mild gains, but i lost it all when i discontinued use. scaggs as for prohormones, well a lot of people seem to say that 18 is to young. im undecided because i dont have that much knowledge on the subject, but you will be happy to know that im using the search function to read past posts. how do you feel about prohormones? and age?
Scaggs
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Well Me personally have always been one to make my own decisions and said screw the consiquences if they are only in theory. If there is absolute proof that a prohormone would damage you at your age then I would not take them. Let me put it this way... If I was 18 again and was a skinny as I was at 18, I would have done any Steroid I could get my hands on at that time. I just couldn't get it. And we all know most steroids can have some serious sides. I guess its up to you. I would have taken 1-test or 1-ad when I was 18 sure. I think you're lucky to have them available to you now. Shit I've heard of kids 10-15 years old on real juice. Now I can't imagine 1-test or 1-ad hurting you if you do it smart and cycle it. At your age though you might experience some shoulder acne. That I still get at 24. Learn to live with it. Bodybuilding itself makes me break out. A dermatologist will almost 100% of the time remedy any acne problems you may get.
I would try the 1-test transdermal - VPX Sports (i have a thread in supplements called before and after pics of 3rd week of 1-test) You'll see how it helped me on training 2 days a week. Off days i would just do neck abs and forearms. nothing to exerting.
1-AD Ergopharm is another great one.
Pinnacle Andro Poppers are awsome.
One+ or One from Avantlabs.com is another good one.
Whatever best fits in your $$$
As far as the A B C routine, split up all those excercises whichever way your body responds best to. If one muscle group is still sore by the next routine, then move it to another day to give more rest. never train a swore muscle. 5 or 6 exercises per workout (not all of those above) jeeze that would put you in a coma.
Oh and def cycle the creatine. Try Twinlabs fizz fuel. Its Efervescent and works the best on me. Some reason powder doesnt' work that great on me and i get swamp ass. Get all these ballistics together before you start your new routine and you should recieve great results. Good Luck. Keep me posted
Scaggs
I would try the 1-test transdermal - VPX Sports (i have a thread in supplements called before and after pics of 3rd week of 1-test) You'll see how it helped me on training 2 days a week. Off days i would just do neck abs and forearms. nothing to exerting.
1-AD Ergopharm is another great one.
Pinnacle Andro Poppers are awsome.
One+ or One from Avantlabs.com is another good one.
Whatever best fits in your $$$
As far as the A B C routine, split up all those excercises whichever way your body responds best to. If one muscle group is still sore by the next routine, then move it to another day to give more rest. never train a swore muscle. 5 or 6 exercises per workout (not all of those above) jeeze that would put you in a coma.
Oh and def cycle the creatine. Try Twinlabs fizz fuel. Its Efervescent and works the best on me. Some reason powder doesnt' work that great on me and i get swamp ass. Get all these ballistics together before you start your new routine and you should recieve great results. Good Luck. Keep me postedScaggs
well i looked at you site and the pictures show a nice change. but dont u shoot the 1-test . i cant stand that shit. and with the 1-ad, well i just dont want all those crazy side effects. i already have some mild acne and i really dont want to break out like mad. are the side effects really that bad, cuz i dont wanna like loose my hair and sh!t
Scaggs
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You'll only lose your hair if for one, your predisposed to male pattern baldness. Look at your mothers fathers hair or your fathers hair. That should just give you an idea. Also its not def that you would lose hair anyway on PH's.
1-test is transdermal which means it absorbs through the lining in your mouth. You just swish it around for a minute or two. You can also get 1-test in a gel that you rub on your skin. Or you take oral 1-ad. the sides are not that bad and aren't a def that you would get any. The acne would most likely come on your shoulders and traps and not your face if it effected you that way. some it doesn't. I think you would be ok if you took 1-test. I speak from exp and didn't get any sides from it. So try that over the others first.
Scaggs
1-test is transdermal which means it absorbs through the lining in your mouth. You just swish it around for a minute or two. You can also get 1-test in a gel that you rub on your skin. Or you take oral 1-ad. the sides are not that bad and aren't a def that you would get any. The acne would most likely come on your shoulders and traps and not your face if it effected you that way. some it doesn't. I think you would be ok if you took 1-test. I speak from exp and didn't get any sides from it. So try that over the others first.
Scaggs
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The Shadow
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1tallguy said:
Easy:
..and this is coming form a person who went form 150 to 230...
1 - EAT
2 - EAT some more
3 - By eta I mean 30x bodyweight in cals
4 - go to training baord and search my "Old School Program"
5 - Follow it for 6 weeks and you will be 12-15 pounds heavier
6 - add creatine
Scaggs
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I paid $109 for the 240cc bottle and $70 for the 120cc bottle. You would need those two to complete a 6 week cycle. Actually better would be two bottles of the 240cc bottle and take 4cc at a clip. One in the morning and one at night. I buy a lot of my supps through vitamin shoppe myself. They should be able to order you special the 240cc bottles and this way you get money back at the end of the year. I already have 150 bucks coming to me in January. Do you have a member card? If you don't you should get one. You earn points with every purchase that converts to money.
If that is too much money than look into Pinnacle's Andro Poppers. They have 1-test in them too.
Scaggs.
If that is too much money than look into Pinnacle's Andro Poppers. They have 1-test in them too.
Scaggs.
just how noticeable are the side effects. my dad and my grandfater are both pretty bald. i only ask cuz im 18 and dont want to wake up tomorrow with missing hair, and i also dont want to have to explain to people where all my hair went. also, will it grow back or will it stay thin. this is prolly a stupid question but if i get a thin sopt i just dont want to have it for the rest of my life
Scaggs
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Well the side effects are not that strong and not that fast. You wont wake up tomorrow without hair. If I were you the prohormone of choice would be Avantlabs "One" transdermal. You rub it into your skin. There isn't supposed to be any conversion to DHT. You shouldn't get side effects from that. Also the hair loss would be very slow and some claim that anything you take to cause hair loss will grow back if you didn't completely kill the follicle and stop whatever it is you're doing. That's why its important to cycle and take time off for a good month at least. Also if you are worried about DHT take double the bottles dosage of Saw Palmetto during your PH cycle. Saw Palmetto is an awsome supplement and you won't find anything harmful about it. Saw Palmetto is supposed to inhibit DHT.
Scaggs
Scaggs
well im pretty pissed. i went to the vit shope to get protien, and i was really thinking about getting 1-test but when i went to the case that they keep it in i noticed that the price of the 120cc bottle went up to 120. and the 30% off sale would not be valid on this product. also they dont carry 1-ad. so as a last desprite measure i went to gnc only to find out that they dont carry 1-ad or 1-test. they guy said that they were getting in mhp 1-test but he wasnt sure when. i havent herd anything bout this stuff so i went home in a bad mood. this sux.
Scaggs
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Hahahah, I know the feeling man, once you get all phsyced on suttin, your pissed if you can't get it. You should have gotten Pinnacle's Cyclo Poppers bro. My 60 year old father is on them and he's raving about them. He's been getting great results off them. They got all the andro-diols and the 1-test in them, and they are really affordable. Like under 40 bucks for a good long supply.
120 bucks is highway robbery bro. A buck a CC. Dam. F that. You can get an awsome deal on VPX 1-test from www.nutripro.com - Thats where I got mine. 120cc for 69.99
But better yet, go here http://www.mindandmuscle.net/main.html and click on products - steroidal and then ONE or ONE+. Only 89 bucks for a month supply. But if you can't order online then go with Pinnacle's Cyclo Poppers from Vitamin Shoppe, Seriously. Thats what I took my first year "the old formula" when they were all diones and before 1-ad or 1-test and they helped out ALOT. Now the new formula has 1-test and all the Diols. (no Diones) You will feel the spike within 45 minutes from those. I'll tell ya suttin else too, If I fell asleep with them in my mouth, I would wake up jackin it thats how horny they would make me. They work bro. Just try one bottle and I bet you, you will feel the difference.
Scaggs
120 bucks is highway robbery bro. A buck a CC. Dam. F that. You can get an awsome deal on VPX 1-test from www.nutripro.com - Thats where I got mine. 120cc for 69.99
But better yet, go here http://www.mindandmuscle.net/main.html and click on products - steroidal and then ONE or ONE+. Only 89 bucks for a month supply. But if you can't order online then go with Pinnacle's Cyclo Poppers from Vitamin Shoppe, Seriously. Thats what I took my first year "the old formula" when they were all diones and before 1-ad or 1-test and they helped out ALOT. Now the new formula has 1-test and all the Diols. (no Diones) You will feel the spike within 45 minutes from those. I'll tell ya suttin else too, If I fell asleep with them in my mouth, I would wake up jackin it thats how horny they would make me. They work bro. Just try one bottle and I bet you, you will feel the difference.
Scaggs
feel the spike? so im guessing that its gunna make me more agressive in the gym. thats kewl and the price sounds very nice to. i think ill give em a try. assuming that i can get my hands on em. by the way, do cyclo poppers have all those crazy side effects? i did a search for Pinnacle Cyclo Poppers and only found two posts
Scaggs
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No, havn't heard anything on MHP 1-test but i know their MHP Segretagogue-1 is good. They make quality stuff.
You prally won't find much on these boards about Pinnacles Cyclo Poppers here. I never have. But I used them personally and know they work. You shouldn't get all crazy sides from those either. Vitamin shoppe carries the new pinnicle poppers. Make sure it says A1-E on it. Thats the 1-test. They just have their own name for it. Go here and check it out. 100 tabs for 29 bucks.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pin/andro150.html
Yea you will be much more aggressive in the gym but when you come off them you might experience some lack of motivation like i did. And some loss of strength. But nothing too severe. Just take Tribulus fuel when you come off them.
Scaggs
You prally won't find much on these boards about Pinnacles Cyclo Poppers here. I never have. But I used them personally and know they work. You shouldn't get all crazy sides from those either. Vitamin shoppe carries the new pinnicle poppers. Make sure it says A1-E on it. Thats the 1-test. They just have their own name for it. Go here and check it out. 100 tabs for 29 bucks.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pin/andro150.html
Yea you will be much more aggressive in the gym but when you come off them you might experience some lack of motivation like i did. And some loss of strength. But nothing too severe. Just take Tribulus fuel when you come off them.
Scaggs
