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Why TREN may not be the best choice for comping part II

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I posted a thread like this a year ago and had a lot of dissention from guys who disagreed with this. here is why i say this and after talking to led (who has run more tren than most anyone on here) I will post up our convo.

I notice on tren when i wake up, after a workout or generally if i don't consume enough carbs during the day and go to lay down my blood sugar is really low. everyone on here who works out intensely or runs etc knows what low blood sugar feels like I would hope. and its not a pleasant thing. if it gets too bad you can end up in the hospital but it can be solved with consuming some sugars/carbs easily.

here is my convo below which explains more:

Definitely, especially at night a few hours after I eat my last meal with complex carbs. Remember, after insulin, Tren is the most anabolic compound out there.

What I'm tryin tell you is that tren utilizes almost all the nutrients you put in your body (almost total absorption), including "carbs." That is why I stress anyone who trains to be a bodybuilder should eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours especially when on Tren, which acts on the liver to stimulate the formation of glycogen from glucose and to inhibit the conversion of non-carbohydrates into glucose.

In other words, Tren is going to use up the carbs you eat fast, which will "lower" glycogen levels; that is why you are getting "low blood sugar levels." I suggest, if you take tren to eat complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible.

Sometimes I do "two" cardio sessions; one in the morning and one at night 1hr 1/2 before bed. The session at night almost knocks me the fuck out. I get off the treadmill feeling dizzy and faint, but as soon as I eat a Protein Bar I'm fine. This happens because of low glycogen levels.

People don't realize how powerful tren really is. If you noticed in my thread (the last post i made) I said I'm reluctant to post my cycle because i don't want to give people any ideas, and all it takes is some newb or careless person to read that stuff and emulate my cycle and bam! that asshole is taking a trip to the hospital or morgue.. Not that i'm an expert but i have a little experience with it. Ultimately, anyone can become a victim, but Im not feeling responsible for anyone's stupidity..

But YES, TREN will definitely lower your glycogen levels, so eat your complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible, that's all we can do.. Again, tren is nothing to fuck with it..

Also, keep hydrated when taking tren, even more than you would using other 'aas' because it has some thermogenic property that dehydrates the body. Being dehydrated does the opposite it; When you become dehydrated, the amount of liquid in your blood is low in relation to the nutrients and waste products in the blood. Therefore, concentrations of glucose increase. As glucose levels increase, blood circulation through the capillaries, the smallest blood vessels, diminishes.

Increased blood glucose levels can cause fatigue, blurred vision, increased thirst and an increased need to urinate, and send us to the hospital, so keep hydrated.

Conclusion: my advice when taking tren; eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours throughout the day and almost double your normal water intake..
 
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so kinda hard to comp when you need to be consuming carbs so often and drinking so much.. your blood sugar gets too low its not like you can ignore it

thoughts? opinions? lets hear it.

some of you might not get the low blood sugar symptoms as bad as others. but i've read guys complain about anxiety on tren, and i am suspecting its actually your symptom of low blood sugar but you just think its anxiety or it could be a combo
 
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I agree low glucose can be a problem in many Tren cycles we see run. You always here about someone running Tren complaining about being tired and lathery, shortness of breath, sweats, etc.
 
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^^^ i keep some fresh apple cider in my fridge.. if i start feeling low sugar on tren then i drink some of that. its a healthy way to boost my blood sugar. but its still consuming sugar unfortunately and not gonna help me shred up for a comp that i have in a few days.

thats the basis to my arguement that something like primo for example would be better to comp with since you don't have to worry about blood sugar dropping and can cut off sugars and carbs to a bare minimum

its great tren obliterates the nutrients in your body like a bomb, but it comes at a cost just like everything nice lol
 
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Ya, Tren is known to kill cardio. But if taking some of the precautions Steve has listed to minimize low glucose, I think its manageable.
 
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I noticed the low blood sugar in the morning at work a couple times on my first cycle of tren E. I upped my carbs and felt a lot better. One thing I did experience was very bad muscle cramps. I drank plenty of fluids but the hamstring and lat cramps were terrible. Even had my pec cramp up once twisting around for a shot. This part sucked.
 
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I noticed the low blood sugar in the morning at work a couple times on my first cycle of tren E. I upped my carbs and felt a lot better. One thing I did experience was very bad muscle cramps. I drank plenty of fluids but the hamstring and lat cramps were terrible. Even had my pec cramp up once twisting around for a shot. This part sucked.

Possible low potassium also?
 
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This adds much insight as to why Tren is a killer on your cardio. Very very helpful in my consideration of a possible Tren run this year.

you can carry some glucose pills and pop them during cardio.

cardio will drop blood sugar, combined with tren that will pretty much cause a person to experience major symptoms of low blood sugar. when i used to run half marathons we would drink some sugary drinks or eat cookies every 4 miles as a precaution, i never actually experienced hypo because i was a carb machine during those days, lots of bananas, grapes after the runs and i was fine. at the time i didn't understand why it was necessary but now after running tren i get it.

imagine if there was a way to strap a glucose meter to yourself for an accurate reading throughout the day.. i bet we would learn so much about how our bodies react to tren and how to minimize carb/sugar intake to a bare minimum.. just enough to keep things stable but not so much where we are over eating sugars
 
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I noticed the low blood sugar in the morning at work a couple times on my first cycle of tren E. I upped my carbs and felt a lot better. One thing I did experience was very bad muscle cramps. I drank plenty of fluids but the hamstring and lat cramps were terrible. Even had my pec cramp up once twisting around for a shot. This part sucked.

were you taking taurine?
 
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you can carry some glucose pills and pop them during cardio.

cardio will drop blood sugar, combined with tren that will pretty much cause a person to experience major symptoms of low blood sugar. when i used to run half marathons we would drink some sugary drinks or eat cookies every 4 miles as a precaution, i never actually experienced hypo because i was a carb machine during those days, lots of bananas, grapes after the runs and i was fine. at the time i didn't understand why it was necessary but now after running tren i get it.

imagine if there was a way to strap a glucose meter to yourself for an accurate reading throughout the day.. i bet we would learn so much about how our bodies react to tren and how to minimize carb/sugar intake to a bare minimum.. just enough to keep things stable but not so much where we are over eating sugars


You psycic bro? I actually have two glucose tabs on me at all times in my pocket when at the gym. Cardio or weights. Keep some in each vehicle too.
 
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^^^ need to run taurine with tren. i also recommend it will high test doses, and most all orals.

obviously clen and albuterol as well.

n2guard to tren is like peanut butter to jelly. they go perfect together. n2guard has taurine and other things to help with lipids and minerals etc. a must on a tren cycle no questions asked
 
What is being said here makes perfect sense, but I think a lot of things are individual specific. I've seen plenty of guys run tren while doing low carb or CKD without an issue. With that said, its nothing I support or recommend. Just an observation

I am running a triblend of Test E/Masteron E/Tren E over the summer with an overall goal to be pretty diced possibly as part of contest prep, so I'm definitely interested in everyone's thoughts on this. My normal diet that I plan to use is high carb and high cal on workout days with low carb low cal on cardio/rest days (recomp ranges)

I've never ran tren yet, but I don't think I've ever had a negative side effect on anything so I'm hoping that tren goes smoothly.

Doses will be 600 test, 400 tren, 400 masteron
 
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I noticed the low blood sugar in the morning at work a couple times on my first cycle of tren E. .

when i get up i will drink a bunch of OJ or apple juice. that helps boost the blood sugar.. also you are gonna want to eat something like oatmeal with some brown sugar, or even possibly some bread/pancakes with honey to balance out your breakfast of eggs.
 
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What is being said here makes perfect sense, but I think a lot of things are individual specific. I've seen plenty of guys run tren while doing low carb or CKD without an issue.

thats one of the reasons i started this thread to here some responses.

i think a lot of guys react differently to low blood sugar.. many like i said in my first or 2nd post react with anxiety which can be linked to low blood sugar, or just acting odd and not being themselves. or sweating is a big one.. guys who post that its 50 degrees and they wake up in a puddle of sweat. and especially INSOMNIA which is a side you hear with tren all the time but i never have a problem since i get in carbs before bed.

here is a list of hypo symptoms I pulled up and it matches a lot of tren complaints and i would be curious if anyone really does keep carbs at a minimum on tren yet doesn't experience any of these sides. i suppose its possible in some, but very rare .. if you are a tren user and read this list and half of these things are your symptoms then you might want to definately up your carbs.


Symptoms you may have when your blood sugar gets too low include:
  • Double vision or blurry vision
  • Fast or pounding heartbeat
  • Feeling cranky or acting aggressive
  • Feeling nervous
  • Headache
  • Hunger
  • Shaking or trembling
  • Sleeping trouble
  • Sweating
  • Tingling or numbness of the skin
  • Tiredness or weakness
  • Trouble sleeping
  • Unclear thinking
 
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I have ran Tren many times different doses and ED vs EOD. I have found (at least for me) sides are far less when taken ED vs EOD. Bloods are much more stable. Problem is ED is not suitable for many.

Tren A that is with Tren E its not an issue and I've ran both.
 
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when i get up i will drink a bunch of OJ or apple juice. that helps boost the blood sugar.. also you are gonna want to eat something like oatmeal with some brown sugar, or even possibly some bread/pancakes with honey to balance out your breakfast of eggs.

Thanks Steve for the advice. I will give it a try here on my next run.
 
The only sides ive gotten with tren is the lack of sleep. And that was only when i ran it pre contest. When i ran it as a bulker, i honestly didnt experience any sides
 
I'm finishing a tren run tomorrow which has seen me drop ~10% bodyfat, I went very, very low carb for the first six weeks

What I experienced was the same feeling of being in ketosis, except more pronounced, its like I could literally feel my body eating my fat stores in a desperate scramble for energy

I called the feeling 'carb death' was tired, dizzy, couldn't concentrate had a hard time functioning at all but I refused to mess up my cut just because I felt shitty so I stuck it out

On a few occasions I could really feel my body crying out for carbs, it made me wonder what would happen if I took Tren and fed it... but I stuck to my original goal and I'm happy with the result :)
 
Definitely great information Steve. This will be very helpful for those considering running Tren. Its certainly opened my eyes to things I hadn't thought about yet. Good stuff.


Absolutely. I already play the blood sugar monitoring game with Ipamorelin so this would be nothing new. Changes my whole outlook. instead of that deca cycle this summer I may run a tren bulker with 400-600g carbs a day. Obviously tapering down carbs if too much body fat appears.

**Given this advice and info on tren's use of carbs I think pre workout N2slin, followed by a carb/MAP protein(or aminos)shake and a light amino/simple carb intra workout shake then HGH peptides could be extremely useful in packing on some real size above and beyond tren alone even.
 
What I experienced was the same feeling of being in ketosis, except more pronounced, its like I could literally feel my body eating my fat stores in a desperate scramble for energy

I called the feeling 'carb death' was tired, dizzy, couldn't concentrate had a hard time functioning at all but I refused to mess up my cut just because I felt shitty so I stuck it out

On a few occasions I could really feel my body crying out for carbs, QUOTE]

Not real wise. Some glucose tabs here and there would have been smart.
 
burnthiscorpse; I accepted that to get ripped I was gonna have to put up with feeling pretty crap from time to time, what would the glucose tabs have done? I'll bear this info in mind for next time...
 
burnthiscorpse; I accepted that to get ripped I was gonna have to put up with feeling pretty crap from time to time, what would the glucose tabs have done? I'll bear this info in mind for next time...

Taken your body out of that starving for carbs feeling. Avoiding any super dizzyness, feeling faint, like ass ect..hypo symptoms. Raising your blood sugar to a healthy level with just 4g of glucose.
 
I posted a thread like this a year ago and had a lot of dissention from guys who disagreed with this. here is why i say this and after talking to led (who has run more tren than most anyone on here) I will post up our convo.

I notice on tren when i wake up, after a workout or generally if i don't consume enough carbs during the day and go to lay down my blood sugar is really low. everyone on here who works out intensely or runs etc knows what low blood sugar feels like I would hope. and its not a pleasant thing. if it gets too bad you can end up in the hospital but it can be solved with consuming some sugars/carbs easily.

here is my convo below which explains more:

Definitely, especially at night a few hours after I eat my last meal with complex carbs. Remember, after insulin, Tren is the most anabolic compound out there.

What I'm tryin tell you is that tren utilizes almost all the nutrients you put in your body (almost total absorption), including "carbs." That is why I stress anyone who trains to be a bodybuilder should eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours especially when on Tren, which acts on the liver to stimulate the formation of glycogen from glucose and to inhibit the conversion of non-carbohydrates into glucose.

In other words, Tren is going to use up the carbs you eat fast, which will "lower" glycogen levels; that is why you are getting "low blood sugar levels." I suggest, if you take tren to eat complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible.

Sometimes I do "two" cardio sessions; one in the morning and one at night 1hr 1/2 before bed. The session at night almost knocks me the fuck out. I get off the treadmill feeling dizzy and faint, but as soon as I eat a Protein Bar I'm fine. This happens because of low glycogen levels.

People don't realize how powerful tren really is. If you noticed in my thread (the last post i made) I said I'm reluctant to post my cycle because i don't want to give people any ideas, and all it takes is some newb or careless person to read that stuff and emulate my cycle and bam! that asshole is taking a trip to the hospital or morgue.. Not that i'm an expert but i have a little experience with it. Ultimately, anyone can become a victim, but Im not feeling responsible for anyone's stupidity..

But YES, TREN will definitely lower your glycogen levels, so eat your complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible, that's all we can do.. Again, tren is nothing to fuck with it..

Also, keep hydrated when taking tren, even more than you would using other 'aas' because it has some thermogenic property that dehydrates the body. Being dehydrated does the opposite it; When you become dehydrated, the amount of liquid in your blood is low in relation to the nutrients and waste products in the blood. Therefore, concentrations of glucose increase. As glucose levels increase, blood circulation through the capillaries, the smallest blood vessels, diminishes.

Increased blood glucose levels can cause fatigue, blurred vision, increased thirst and an increased need to urinate, and send us to the hospital, so keep hydrated.

Conclusion: my advice when taking tren; eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours throughout the day and almost double your normal water intake..


Well, it appears there is no dissention this year ;)
 
I posted a thread like this a year ago and had a lot of dissention from guys who disagreed with this. here is why i say this and after talking to led (who has run more tren than most anyone on here) I will post up our convo.

I notice on tren when i wake up, after a workout or generally if i don't consume enough carbs during the day and go to lay down my blood sugar is really low. everyone on here who works out intensely or runs etc knows what low blood sugar feels like I would hope. and its not a pleasant thing. if it gets too bad you can end up in the hospital but it can be solved with consuming some sugars/carbs easily.

here is my convo below which explains more:

Definitely, especially at night a few hours after I eat my last meal with complex carbs. Remember, after insulin, Tren is the most anabolic compound out there.

What I'm tryin tell you is that tren utilizes almost all the nutrients you put in your body (almost total absorption), including "carbs." That is why I stress anyone who trains to be a bodybuilder should eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours especially when on Tren, which acts on the liver to stimulate the formation of glycogen from glucose and to inhibit the conversion of non-carbohydrates into glucose.

In other words, Tren is going to use up the carbs you eat fast, which will "lower" glycogen levels; that is why you are getting "low blood sugar levels." I suggest, if you take tren to eat complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible.

Sometimes I do "two" cardio sessions; one in the morning and one at night 1hr 1/2 before bed. The session at night almost knocks me the fuck out. I get off the treadmill feeling dizzy and faint, but as soon as I eat a Protein Bar I'm fine. This happens because of low glycogen levels.

People don't realize how powerful tren really is. If you noticed in my thread (the last post i made) I said I'm reluctant to post my cycle because i don't want to give people any ideas, and all it takes is some newb or careless person to read that stuff and emulate my cycle and bam! that asshole is taking a trip to the hospital or morgue.. Not that i'm an expert but i have a little experience with it. Ultimately, anyone can become a victim, but Im not feeling responsible for anyone's stupidity..

But YES, TREN will definitely lower your glycogen levels, so eat your complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible, that's all we can do.. Again, tren is nothing to fuck with it..

Also, keep hydrated when taking tren, even more than you would using other 'aas' because it has some thermogenic property that dehydrates the body. Being dehydrated does the opposite it; When you become dehydrated, the amount of liquid in your blood is low in relation to the nutrients and waste products in the blood. Therefore, concentrations of glucose increase. As glucose levels increase, blood circulation through the capillaries, the smallest blood vessels, diminishes.

Increased blood glucose levels can cause fatigue, blurred vision, increased thirst and an increased need to urinate, and send us to the hospital, so keep hydrated.

Conclusion: my advice when taking tren; eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours throughout the day and almost double your normal water intake..

Is this that shakey feeling? Omg I hate it but Tren made it to where I almost couldnt eat.

But I do notice sometimes am shakey and scraming for shit. I usually smtimes will keep pop tarts with me at work.
 
I've only get night sweats, loss of breath the last 3 weeks before a show. I've never felt hypo from it. But my doses are low 75mg tren, 50mg más, and 100mg prop and 600 primo wk eod along with 4i.u gh ed and a couple of other thing the last 2 weeks I double the dose dropping prop 4 days.
For me I'm just the abnormal person.

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Nice thread and very informative. Thanks for this post Steve. I'm running tren e @ 600mg ew, this thread helped me realize a couple things that I always feel while on tren. I'm going to use some of the points in this thread to see if it works for me.


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burnthiscorpse; I accepted that to get ripped I was gonna have to put up with feeling pretty crap from time to time, what would the glucose tabs have done? I'll bear this info in mind for next time...

here is the thing.. anyone who has run long distances has i'm sure felt dizzy and like they were gonna throw up from the low blood sugar.. BUT the thing is the body will naturally recover from that and you will end up being fine even without sugar consumption. now if you were on tren then its manipulating your blood sugar and pushing it down, so your body won't recover on its own possibly. that could create major problems and could have you headed to the ER. or a day you fail to eat a lot, maybe you were on the road all day. i would definately keep them in your car and near you at all times

so its a good idea to have the tabs on hand just in case in those situations. it really helps
 
I posted a thread like this a year ago and had a lot of dissention from guys who disagreed with this. here is why i say this and after talking to led (who has run more tren than most anyone on here) I will post up our convo.

I notice on tren when i wake up, after a workout or generally if i don't consume enough carbs during the day and go to lay down my blood sugar is really low. everyone on here who works out intensely or runs etc knows what low blood sugar feels like I would hope. and its not a pleasant thing. if it gets too bad you can end up in the hospital but it can be solved with consuming some sugars/carbs easily.

here is my convo below which explains more:

Definitely, especially at night a few hours after I eat my last meal with complex carbs. Remember, after insulin, Tren is the most anabolic compound out there.

What I'm tryin tell you is that tren utilizes almost all the nutrients you put in your body (almost total absorption), including "carbs." That is why I stress anyone who trains to be a bodybuilder should eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours especially when on Tren, which acts on the liver to stimulate the formation of glycogen from glucose and to inhibit the conversion of non-carbohydrates into glucose.

In other words, Tren is going to use up the carbs you eat fast, which will "lower" glycogen levels; that is why you are getting "low blood sugar levels." I suggest, if you take tren to eat complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible.

Sometimes I do "two" cardio sessions; one in the morning and one at night 1hr 1/2 before bed. The session at night almost knocks me the fuck out. I get off the treadmill feeling dizzy and faint, but as soon as I eat a Protein Bar I'm fine. This happens because of low glycogen levels.

People don't realize how powerful tren really is. If you noticed in my thread (the last post i made) I said I'm reluctant to post my cycle because i don't want to give people any ideas, and all it takes is some newb or careless person to read that stuff and emulate my cycle and bam! that asshole is taking a trip to the hospital or morgue.. Not that i'm an expert but i have a little experience with it. Ultimately, anyone can become a victim, but Im not feeling responsible for anyone's stupidity..

But YES, TREN will definitely lower your glycogen levels, so eat your complex carbs throughout the day to be proactive as much as possible, that's all we can do.. Again, tren is nothing to fuck with it..

Also, keep hydrated when taking tren, even more than you would using other 'aas' because it has some thermogenic property that dehydrates the body. Being dehydrated does the opposite it; When you become dehydrated, the amount of liquid in your blood is low in relation to the nutrients and waste products in the blood. Therefore, concentrations of glucose increase. As glucose levels increase, blood circulation through the capillaries, the smallest blood vessels, diminishes.

Increased blood glucose levels can cause fatigue, blurred vision, increased thirst and an increased need to urinate, and send us to the hospital, so keep hydrated.

Conclusion: my advice when taking tren; eat complex carbs every 2-3 hours throughout the day and almost double your normal water intake..

Need2slin can help with this big time...
 
I run my tren e at 800mg ew. I get almost zero sides at that dose. Anything less and I can't sleep and sweat like a whore in church. I want to add a child's dose of deca to help lubricate my joints next time around. What's your thoughts on this and dosage for both tren e and deca?


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^^^ my opinion would be to up your omega oils instead for your joints rather than throw in deca. deca makes things more complicated because now you are gonna have to worry about progesterone on top of prolactin. with tren you only have to worry about prolactin which is easy to to control. progesterone isn't so easy

so in summary I'm not a proponent of using deca for joints, not worth the risk vs. reward. especially when there are things like krill oil, cage free eggs, olive oil, flax, avocado, etc that provide the same benefits without the negatives

also since you aren't getting sides from tren that tells me you are doing a good job taking in enough food during the day OR you are one of those people who aren't blood sugar sensitive. i have used certain brands of tren btw and noticed less of a blood sugar impact, but the top quality tren i have used (specifically parabolan ampules) the blood sugar impact is more pronounced. which tells me they tren you are using is poor quality if you are running 800mg .. i could never run that much of this parabolan i can tell you that.. 400mg is more than ample

remember what tren does.. it nutrition partitions as i illustrated in the first post.. if you aren't getting that impact from it that would be a red flag to me
 
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