Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...

[HumorMe]

Hey dude and uNOwho........very good posts! While I am more in line with dude in his previous posts, uNOwho has some interesting views also. I believe God is in human form because it is written that God created man in his own image. Nonetheless, very informative information for those seeking answers to why God allows good and bad things happen. Great post guys!

 

[Sushi X]

why don't you all just bow down before me?

lol, just kidding. many of you know where i stand. so no point in going into it. let me just say that there is an undescribable amount of peace that comes from my believing. without faith and my convictions to govern my actions on a day to day basis i feel lost. why so many religions in the world? simple, they are man's attempt to find God. is God so really lost he needs to be found or are we the one's lost? something to think about. but like i say, to each their own.

 

[mattcanning99]

im agnostic at the moment - ive had faith in the past, and may likely have faith in the future...as an agnostic my beliefs can be understood by this metaphor:

the speed limit is 50 kph on city streets.

why?

because people go 60, and it would be dangerous if people went more than 70.

in other words, speed limits are a little more strict than people actually do act, and a little more strict than what could actually occur safely...people break speed limits, but only a bit...

the bible is a big book of laws, that everyone breaks...a big book of laws (written by people, not god, or jesus, or whatever) that are a LITTLE more strict than could actually occur safely...people break the rules in the bible, but only a bit...

in other words, the bible presents a bunch of laws that people dont follow, but only stray from a little bit, and things still function ok. if this book didnt exist, and people werent afraid of going to this fictional hell, people would do what they want with no consequences...if the speed limit were 70, people would go 80, thats why you make things a little more strict than would function properly, because people break the rules, but only so much. when we die, we dont go to heaven or hell, our minds just dont exist, the same way we dont remember 1750...

i might regain my faith later, but if god is going to send me to hell, despite being a good person, just because i dont live my life for him, then that isnt a god for me

 

[casavant]

Re: Re: Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...

Plus, all bad deeds are KARMA.... Those people who suffered probably did something bad, either in this life or the next... That was their lesson, that they have learned.

So if I go on a killing spree, I'm doing God's work?

 

[Burning_Inside]

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[Big Brother Val]

OMEGA..... I've heard similar stories such as that from MANY people... and it does raise curiosity. Though I've never felt that... years after my brothers death, my mothers life had no direction... she was in a downward spiral... her husband then left her, then she lost her job... she has started going to church again, and seems happier than she has been in the past 8 years. Sometimes I envy that... I guess I just don't understand it.

DUDE... Thank you for taking the time to write. And though, in an odd way, what you posted sorta makes sense... it still doesn't make any sense as to why infants and children suffer... they haven't done wrong yet... and if God grants those evil people children, just so they can do acts of evil upon that child... then what in the hell was the point of giving them the child? He already knows they're going to do evil... so why give them the chance to harm a beautiful little child if he KNOWS they will anyway? Why but the child through that?

UNOWHO.... Also thank you for taking the time to write your post... I appreciate the "lamans" terms you use as well... and I took no offense whatsoever to it. In a way, I can see what you are saying. But to me... that's just a way of saying "have faith".... well... if I was to stab you in the leg with a screwdriver twice a day for 10 years, while every day saying "I won't stab you again tomorrow." then doing so anyway... then all the sudden turned around and said... "Nah... I won't stab you again." And didn't for a while... are you going to have faith that I won't stab you again whenever I pick up a screwdriver?

I wouldn't.

Just as with God... I see all of these children suffering... there are children who are cold and hungry... there are children who are beaten... there are children who are stolen and murdered... then for God to expect us to believe in him despite the evil... I just don't know how he can ask that of us. It seems very hypocritical. How can I view such a neglectful God as my eternal father?



Thank you all for taking the time to write. What you post does make sense to me... but I still can't understand how God... whatever he is... can expect us to believe based on a book that was written before we were born. And if we don't believe, we may not be saved, because we didn't believe in him...

Well if he is so understanding and merciful.. wouldn't he understand WHY it's hard to believe?

How can a father let his children suffer? He could stop it any time, of any day... and decides not to.

 

[Frackal]

I don't follow any one religion..in my opinion, each religion is based off of some prophet or what-not that may or may not have been a 'master.' (Someone of the highest spiritual enlightenment....ie, Jesus, Buddah etc...)

If I were to guess, the point of all the pain we go through is to make us grow and enrich ourselves. For example, I, as I've mentioned on here a lot, have experienced a relatively severe back injury....I believe that this along with other pains has caused me to grow and mature quite a bit...you also cannot appreciate pleasure without knowing pain.

 

[HappyScrappy]

I believe that this along with other pains has caused me to grow and mature quite a bit...you also cannot appreciate pleasure without knowing pain.

just see vanilla sky recently?

 

[casavant]

b]you also cannot appreciate pleasure without knowing pain. [/B]

Than what would heaven be like? And it didn't have to be this way, since God supposedly created everything.

Disclaimer: Frack, you didn't say you believed in a heaven, so this question isn't directed at you. I just wanted to throw it out there.

 

[Big Brother Val]

Than what would heaven be like?

I believe they say that you'll appreciate Heaven so much, because you go through hell on Earth. There is so much pain here, and so much shit to go through... that Heaven could simply be a nice town in Nebraska, and it'd seem wonderful.

But what about those people born into wealthy families, who never have real problems in life, live happily, then die? Was that their "TEST"? If so... how will they appreciate Heaven?

And what about the 3 month old infant that starves to death because the parents decide not to feed him anymore? Does he appreciate Heaven? His only trial was hunger... and he didn't truly understand it.

And the point you made earlier about going on a killing spree as doing God's work.. I totally agree on. How can it be said that those who are punished were the worst ones? So an infant who is beaten to death, or starved to death, or freezes to death in a fucking dumpster deserved it because of how wicked they were, or were going to be?

I call a big "Fuck that" on that topic.

How can got be so righteous? So merciful? So loving?

There are children who are dieing.

And God does nothing.

If I was to go avenge the children, and wipe these fuckers off the face of the Earth, I'd go to hell for doing a job that God doesn't have the balls to follow up on...

What a truly loving, merciful father he is.