Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below virtually side effect free and am seeing great gains in strength and lean mass. aside from those who compete, i dont understand why this isnt more popular. when used between 50-100mg/day for about 8 weeks i think i will be incorporating this with all cycles, maybe only this from now on with about 250-500mgs test/wk to keep sex drive up. tren made me basically paranoid and i never slept. dbol makes me puffy and bloated. winny dries me up terribly. im starting to believe that for those of us who are purely recreational users var is the best way to go. any opinions?
why dont more people use anavar?
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layinback
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bang for the buck..........lot of better\cheaper choices.
i agree with the last 3 post but money isn't an issue for me
i love the shit.
especially pharmaceutical oxandrolone.
nothing this side of trenbolone gets rid of visceral fat like var.
low sides, strength, vascularity and lean mass gains make it
a personal favorite of mine.
i agree with the last 3 post but money isn't an issue for me
i love the shit.
especially pharmaceutical oxandrolone.
nothing this side of trenbolone gets rid of visceral fat like var.
low sides, strength, vascularity and lean mass gains make it
a personal favorite of mine.
enacer420nj
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Why dont more people drive bentleys instead of chryslers 300's?
splperformance
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it's all about the price...plain and simple...shit bro...we'd all live in mansions, drive lamborghinis and have giant 100' yachts but we can't afford the shit so we gotta go with what our wallets allow
Never did much for me. Price isn't an issue -- not that I have the money to toss around, but I believe if you're going to do this, do it right. I always argue with people who think Primo is too expensive. You get what you pay for. But var doesn't deliever for a lot of people and it NOT side effect free. In fact, it's quite toxic, especially since dosages need to be around 50 mgs to be effective.
Any 17AA is hard on the liver and mg per mg they're about the same. Var is also suppressive and has a really bad effect on lipid values, so all in all, it's a sub-par drug IMO.
Any 17AA is hard on the liver and mg per mg they're about the same. Var is also suppressive and has a really bad effect on lipid values, so all in all, it's a sub-par drug IMO.
GUARDIAN said:true but primo is worth every penny.
i cant say the same about primo.
You mean you cant say the same about var?
I think Var is highly overrated.
But Primo puts the A in amazing.
I use it all the time. It is the best for sides and gains for me. Very good gains and muscle density. Easy to recover from. No blood pressure issues. I use 80mgs ED for six weeks. Strength is very good from Var. Gains are not big but neither is bloat and I tend to keep most gains but not all the strength.
yourmomgoestocollege
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Nelson Montana said:
I have also heard it can be toxic at around 50mg. I am running 30mg with my upcoming stack.
yourmomgoestocollege said:
All orals are toxic to a certain degree and get dangerous above certain dosages.
yourmomgoestocollege
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the_alcatraz said:
Very true, however I see a ton of over usage on here. I can't really act innocent as I am running 750mg of sust a week in my current cycle, but with orals you really have to be careful. Cholesterol is another factor on top of liver issues. I am just agreeing with nelson that I also heard it starts to get "more" toxic around the 50mg a day mark. Some use it higher and have no problems. Depends on your bodys makeup.
yourmomgoestocollege said:
I go up to 200mg of anadrol 50 a day. How's that for toxic?
Mavafanculo
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var at effective bodybuilding/cutting dosages will TRASH HDL like nothing else (except maybe Winny).
expect to be in the single digits HDL when you go 2 weeks at 50mg+ of var. essentially accelerating your cardiovascular aging as measured by plaque accumulation by lots. months? years?
make sure you use lots of garlic extract (cardio dose or perhaps double) which tests have shown functions as a substitute HDL carrying away ldl and preventing oxidation and plaque formation.
grape seed extract will help prevent plaque formation as well.
expect to be in the single digits HDL when you go 2 weeks at 50mg+ of var. essentially accelerating your cardiovascular aging as measured by plaque accumulation by lots. months? years?
make sure you use lots of garlic extract (cardio dose or perhaps double) which tests have shown functions as a substitute HDL carrying away ldl and preventing oxidation and plaque formation.
grape seed extract will help prevent plaque formation as well.
Mavafanculo said:
Weird question, but doesnt eating onion help in that matter as well?
Nelson Montana said:
Good point here. A lot of people forget this, as Anavar is touted as being so mild. Its mildness is really isolated to its low androgenic and low(er) hepatotoxic properties.
Mavafanculo
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glover said:
its not my opinion cheech. groundless lol? impaired hdl levels are a widely recognized well know side effect of anavar. its even in the package insert for btg oxandrin and thats for doses of 2.5 and 5 mg -- BB's take 50 - 100 mg @day. I guess you didnt do your research.
MY hdl levels as I thought I mentioned were in the single digits after a month. my doctor cut me off immediately and wanted to send me to a cardiologist. nice man.
You may be an exception to the norm, or you may have been taking Pez. They look alike you know.
sensational
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lol Pez.
I love Pez, so delicious.
I love Pez, so delicious.
Mavafanculo said:its not my opinion cheech. groundless lol? impaired hdl levels are a widely recognized well know side effect of anavar. its even in the package insert for btg oxandrin and thats for doses of 2.5 and 5 mg -- BB's take 50 - 100 mg @day. I guess you didnt do your research.
MY hdl levels as I thought I mentioned were in the single digits after a month. my doctor cut me off immediately and wanted to send me to a cardiologist. nice man.
You may be an exception to the norm, or you may have been taking Pez. They look alike you know.
damn bro...PEZ is good
layinback said:
+1
PEZ gives my great pumps and vascularity... But wrestling the dispenser from my 15 year old can be a pain in the ass.
PEZ is my favorite oral. No Bloat, easy on the NUTZ TOO,
PEZ is my favorite oral. No Bloat, easy on the NUTZ TOO,
Mavafanculo
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halfcenturian said:PEZ gives my great pumps and vascularity... But wrestling the dispenser from my 15 year old can be a pain in the ass.
PEZ is my favorite oral. No Bloat, easy on the NUTZ TOO,
easy on the liver, not 17aa, doesnt trash hdl, prostate-friendly, I think you may be right.
I'm including Pez as the base of all my future cycles.
Mav..........YOU'RE THE GREATEST !!!
doogle said:
supply and demand and herein endeth price talk
stressman13
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I love people touting the Primo var stack. Both are hgighly overrated and over priced. Primo is a good compound in a stack, period. If you want to put on any serious mass Primo is a shitty buy and you will be disappointed. Test/Primo is nice tho but I still dont usually bother. I guess if your looking for a decent beach bod then primo alone is fine but I still think its a shitty buy. Why not go with test @ 250-500 for a mild cycle with an anti-E?? You will stay dry, recover easy with good PCT and it will be easy on your system. I guess its also good for people who dont want to get "too big".
stressman13 said:
i guess i have gotten a very reasonable price for my var. gains wise, my best cycles have included tren and test, which is virtually unbeatable for size and strength in my opinion, but i didnt like the paranoia, sleeplessness, aggression and perspiring. i gain so much from a stack like that that my joints and tendons have become destroyed. (torn meniscus, acl). my goals are simply to have a lean build and decent strength. as a recreational user, var gets my what im looking for and costs less for me than a long stacked cycle of several compounds for 12-16 weeks. test is something i will always incorporate and works fine for what i am looking for at about 250-500 mgs/week. if only tren could be manufactured to have the low sides that var has.
swole
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stressman13 said:
if you add primo to that amount of test in conjunction with a maintenance diet chock full of protein you will add nothing but lean, solid mass.
you will also stay dry and recover easy since primo is easy on the HPTA
you will also have keepable gains, which seem "slower" because you won't have much excess water
and i'm not in this game for a beach body. i think primo is great for people who are lean to start, i can literally watch my body grow and develop by the week
i'm running 500mg ew...do i think 400mg or even 300mg is enough? maybe. but if i'm gonna drop cash on primo might as well make it worth my while
Well Chong, stating that everyone will have single digit HDL seems like opinion to me.
If you have single digit HDL try exercise and diet. That has been know to help.
Or maybe you should just abstain from using because all AAS have sides. I make my own Var. It comes in 40and 80 mg caps. Can you sell me some of your PEZ it seems to be effective.
If you have single digit HDL try exercise and diet. That has been know to help.
Or maybe you should just abstain from using because all AAS have sides. I make my own Var. It comes in 40and 80 mg caps. Can you sell me some of your PEZ it seems to be effective.
Mavafanculo said:its not my opinion cheech. groundless lol? impaired hdl levels are a widely recognized well know side effect of anavar. its even in the package insert for btg oxandrin and thats for doses of 2.5 and 5 mg -- BB's take 50 - 100 mg @day. I guess you didnt do your research.
MY hdl levels as I thought I mentioned were in the single digits after a month. my doctor cut me off immediately and wanted to send me to a cardiologist. nice man.
You may be an exception to the norm, or you may have been taking Pez. They look alike you know.
yourmomgoestocollege said:
That is def a complete waste of money.
At that dose the chances of you feeling any positive effects from the var are probably.... zero, give or take.
Im all about conservative doses, but with some things you just need more to "feel" something... 30mg of var (especially UG, based on impurities/underdosing because of cost) aint gonna do much.
Save your money and add... Anything else lol
stressman13 and the other guys : thanks for sharing it. this thread is very interesting. so what would be the dosage + stack in your opinion for a better beach body with lean muscle with slow/moderate gains of lean mass that would look as natural as possible and make people wonder : is this guy on roods or not ?! I´m also a fun of exactly what you saying. I never went for fast gains because they will go lost just as fast. and looks ugly. would 250 -300 testo cyp + an anti-e do the trick ? for a 75 kilos lean guy ? 31 years old 178 cm high. and what anti-e would you advise ? my body reacts so nice to even the mildest drugs. it´s crazy. but have been a athlete since i was 7 yo
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