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SinisterUproar
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It's one of the most popular steroids for mass... Yet any experienced user says its garbage. What's the deal?
Why does Deca suck?
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keepnitreal
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Idont know much but
A buddy was on it...had srs acne... Google decca dick
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Texas Monster
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It has too long of a clearing time and just when it starts getting good....bam side effects.
The opt way is to go with NPP. You can run it for 10 weeks and get all the benefit of deca without the sides.
The opt way is to go with NPP. You can run it for 10 weeks and get all the benefit of deca without the sides.
noodles1010
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RECOVERY IS A BITCH!!! Neverrrr againnnn!!!!
SinisterUproar
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Is NPP rare? I have a hookup for just about everything except this...
jmat2407
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Nah it's pretty common most big time suppliers will have it. Least that was the case back when I bought pre made gear.
Nope its extremely common and readily available if you look in the right places. Its dirt cheap like test p but you need a lot more for a cycle.
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Just gained 4 lbs in 4 weeks... With 3000 cals per day! I'd say its pretty good stuff
gaining 4lbs in 4 weeks can be done with test but definitely not on 3000 cals per day...at least not for me...was on 4400 just to get 1lb per week.
but is deca the only one that can give good mass.? no other comes close without all the sides of cos...
same here...my supplier dont have npp...seems rare...
Texas Monster
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NPP is the same hormone as deca. It is just attached to a different ester.
You get the same mass and benefits of deca without the bloat.
Do some more reading.
1 word: PROGESTERONE. a female hormone. deca in the body turns into that.
progesterone is one of the most confusing and mis-understood hormones.. most guys that run deca (even guys who have been juicing for decades) have no idea what it is or how to combat it. hence they run into trouble.
the reason experienced guys like me don't like deca is because it has to be run for a while since it is a slow builder. so if you like to keep cycles short and recovery fast it is a bad choice. hence I have no desire to ever touch it again. at the very least go with NPP. stacking deca + test together and your progesterone and estrogen will go sky high, meaning difficulty recovering.
i would say there are better stacks to build mass out there that aren't so much trouble. if you do choose deca make sure you know what the heck you are doing ! overall deca has less sides than other steroids believe it or not, assuming you are controlling progesterone and estrogen on it. otherwise it can be an awful experience, just do a search of all the deca horror stories online
most guys who run deca don't run any ancillaries at all and run a nolva pct (ignorance is bliss) so its built up an awful reputation for that reason
progesterone is one of the most confusing and mis-understood hormones.. most guys that run deca (even guys who have been juicing for decades) have no idea what it is or how to combat it. hence they run into trouble.
the reason experienced guys like me don't like deca is because it has to be run for a while since it is a slow builder. so if you like to keep cycles short and recovery fast it is a bad choice. hence I have no desire to ever touch it again. at the very least go with NPP. stacking deca + test together and your progesterone and estrogen will go sky high, meaning difficulty recovering.
i would say there are better stacks to build mass out there that aren't so much trouble. if you do choose deca make sure you know what the heck you are doing ! overall deca has less sides than other steroids believe it or not, assuming you are controlling progesterone and estrogen on it. otherwise it can be an awful experience, just do a search of all the deca horror stories online
most guys who run deca don't run any ancillaries at all and run a nolva pct (ignorance is bliss) so its built up an awful reputation for that reason
Steve pretty much summed it up. The negatives just outweigh the positives for Deca IMO. It is the reason I probably will never touch the stuff. NPP just makes a hell of a lot more sense, as others have said.
i know npp is the same as deca but of a different ester...just that it seems most take deca or talk about deca...npp is seldom mentioned...
1 word: PROGESTERONE. a female hormone. deca in the body turns into that.
progesterone is one of the most confusing and mis-understood hormones.. most guys that run deca (even guys who have been juicing for decades) have no idea what it is or how to combat it. hence they run into trouble.
the reason experienced guys like me don't like deca is because it has to be run for a while since it is a slow builder. so if you like to keep cycles short and recovery fast it is a bad choice. hence I have no desire to ever touch it again. at the very least go with NPP. stacking deca + test together and your progesterone and estrogen will go sky high, meaning difficulty recovering.
i would say there are better stacks to build mass out there that aren't so much trouble. if you do choose deca make sure you know what the heck you are doing ! overall deca has less sides than other steroids believe it or not, assuming you are controlling progesterone and estrogen on it. otherwise it can be an awful experience, just do a search of all the deca horror stories online
yes steve..you are rite on that point...i do know some in the gyms that run deca and they dont have anything else on hand to control progesterone and estrogen except nolva and they run nolva and clomid pct.
ask them about it and they said the cycle is recommended from someone who had run it and it's good for mass...so the wrong information just passed around from one person to another...
jmat2407
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THIS.
Also just to clarify. Nandrolone doesn't convert or turn into progesterone. It converts to estrogen just like test, albeit only about 20% the rate. Progesterone is a c-19 steroid, since that group is removed in 19-nor anabolic steroids this is what causes the greater binding to the progesterone receptor. Which will lead to progestin-like activity in the body.
BTW, progesteron needs estrogen to have any effect in the body. Thus control E2 and you can control it as well. However if your levels are already high an AI will not lower them nor do anything for progesterone induced gyno.
Anotech
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Been running 19-nor for 15 weeks... No problems so far. Im using armidex .5 EOD.
noodles1010
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1 word: PROGESTERONE. a female hormone. deca in the body turns into that.
progesterone is one of the most confusing and mis-understood hormones.. most guys that run deca (even guys who have been juicing for decades) have no idea what it is or how to combat it. hence they run into trouble.
the reason experienced guys like me don't like deca is because it has to be run for a while since it is a slow builder. so if you like to keep cycles short and recovery fast it is a bad choice. hence I have no desire to ever touch it again. at the very least go with NPP. stacking deca + test together and your progesterone and estrogen will go sky high, meaning difficulty recovering.
i would say there are better stacks to build mass out there that aren't so much trouble. if you do choose deca make sure you know what the heck you are doing ! overall deca has less sides than other steroids believe it or not, assuming you are controlling progesterone and estrogen on it. otherwise it can be an awful experience, just do a search of all the deca horror stories online
I know this all too well. Death to deca!!!
I'm giving Dbol a run in about 2 mos. I'm fuckin pumped about that. Seems like a better recovery, cycle, and gains all together...
Deca is essentially a failed experiment. I was designed to be non suppressive! Also, the "mass" gained is mostly water. That, plus impotence and long detection time. Why anyone would use it when there are so many better alternatives is beyond me.
SinisterUproar
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What would be an alternative?
SinisterUproar
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Yes I am thinking of trying this
SinisterUproar
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Bump
spikester
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LOL what a retarded information filled thread. Screw deca and take d-bol LMFAO!!! You think water retention is bad with deca? just wait! Fast gains, with d-bol you say? HA fucking water weight, so enjoy your scale (telling) you "you have gained 10lbs of muscle". Then once you get off, let the scale tell you how much muscle your losing each day! You will lose it faster than you gained it. If yall have read and took into consideration what any of the experienced users or readers have said? you might actually like it more.
FAILED experiment? The question is why... Deca was designed to be a NON suppressive steroid. It miserably failed at that and became a very suppressive steroid. In turn we got- a steroid that has anti inflammatory effects that work wonders for joint pain. The drug builds loads of muscle being that its so androgenic. You can get as lean as you want wile taking this drug, just eat right and see what happens. so this means its multi purpose, another plus!
Follow your precautions and this is a great drug. Abuse it and expect nothing bad to happen, and just wait for side to kick your ass.
FAILED experiment? The question is why... Deca was designed to be a NON suppressive steroid. It miserably failed at that and became a very suppressive steroid. In turn we got- a steroid that has anti inflammatory effects that work wonders for joint pain. The drug builds loads of muscle being that its so androgenic. You can get as lean as you want wile taking this drug, just eat right and see what happens. so this means its multi purpose, another plus!
Follow your precautions and this is a great drug. Abuse it and expect nothing bad to happen, and just wait for side to kick your ass.
i agree with your first paragraph 100% but the same can be said about every AAS out there, even those that dont aromatize. to think that its possible to keep every pound you 'gain' on a cycle is foolish.
your 2nd paragraph is full of mis-information. deca is no more suppressive than anything else out there WHEN USED CORRECTLY.. i won't get into the specifics but its true. no such thing as being 'anti-inflammatory', that is a major myth. if that was true then it would be a horrible idea to use it. anti-inflammatory drugs should never be touched by lifters EVER EVER EVER. and then lean on deca? huh? deca needs calories to even work!! if you don't eat calories you are wasting your time with it. want to run a calorie deficit? run PRIMO. thats the one to run, not deca.
great drug? maybe, great for guys that cycle? i disagree. a reason why you never hear of vets who cycle use it the stuff. you hear of vets who are cruising or on HRT use it yes, but NOT those who actually cycle off and on. 99% of the time deca is used by newbs who don't know what they are doing.. why? i'm not sure, maybe cause the name DECA sounds hard and hip? no idea. the proof is you see guys run 8 weeks of deca all the time, when its slow builder and won't even reach peak levels till week 5. should be run a minimum of 12-14 weeks. proves internet parroting and 'my friend at the gym told me to run it' is prevalent with this stuff. the ONLY thing i would ever run just 8 weeks that wasn't an oral or wasn't prop based would be tren ace, thats all. every other injectable (for the most part) should be run a minimum of 12 weeks or you are wasting peak levels of it
EliteFitnessGuy
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He is not wrong. The problem lies in the fact that many guys emphasize some Deca's side effects that in reality aren't serious at all, or can be well controlled.
I can't really grasp, how someone can take the risk of losing hair on some androgenic steroid for life, instead of tolerating lower libido on nandrolone for mere 2 months. That's not just the most ingenious trade-off. Furthermore, the reaction to Deca is individual and some people can actually "suffer" from chronical erections (which I did as well).
I was taking 300 mg Deca/week for 6 weeks as a novice, and it was a pretty good cycle. No large muscles, but good strength gains. Well, it took 4 weeks to work, but currently you can already apply nandrolone powder transdermally, and in theory, it should work as fast as oral steroids. The only serious side effect was acne on my back after the end of the cycle. I observed absolutely no signs of bloating, which suggests that this problem may result either from extremely long cycles or extremely high doses. My recuperation after the cycle was catastrophic, because I had no idea about PCT then. But today, this is no issue anymore, thanks to SARMs.
So, although Deca certainly insn't without side effects, it offers an excellent trade-off between side effects and muscle/strength gains. It certainly belongs to the best steroids ever made. I am sorry that I can't take it anymore, because I use finasteride against hair loss.
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EF guy: so you are pretty much saying after you ran deca your recovery was horrible. then you say that staying on for pct would result in no issues. so you are pretty much in agreement with me that deca is good for those that cruise or stay on year round but bad for those who cycle off everything right?
so in other words for a young guy deca is a fast way to end up on HRT early in life. why do that to yourself when there are other AAS to choose from?
so in other words for a young guy deca is a fast way to end up on HRT early in life. why do that to yourself when there are other AAS to choose from?
Deca has a purpose. It is just like half the supplements out there, there is a demand and that demand is by the ignorant users. "They" have a friend at the gym that told them. That is why deca is still around. Demand and $.
spikester
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Ok well its not an anti inflammatory and yes that wouldn't be good to take anti inf the hole time your trying to build muscle. BUT... it does promote collegen synthesis, which makes your joints feel a lot better! When i hurt my shoulder i alway ice it and take aspirin. All the power lifter do, why all the sudden is it bad to take an anti inflammatory for joint issues. Most of the guys are prescribed to mobic celebrex etc. at the gym.
Steve you know just as well as i do that their are good and bad calories to choose from. A guy on a bad diet taking a ton of winstrol is not going to see an ounce of getting lean affects. Yes it will make you hold a little water (nothing outragous if you are eating right) but so does test and i dont see any bodybuilder in there (right) mind NOT using test wile dieting. This is from personal experience Diet + Deca = lean.
Yes there are newbies out there taking your every day gym talk ang going out a buying a btl of deca running it by its self and not posting when done. Now you have your poster boy for all the bad sides from deca. Doing this drug with test and AIs and posting correctly i see no problem Especially if its no more suppressive than any other drug like you said.......
its off subject but you should never ever take anti-inflammatories. the reason the body gets inflamed in the first place is because it is HEALING. when you take an anti-inflammatory you are preventing healing and just coating the problem. big mistake and long term it will lead to more and more problems. pounding away at an injury is a huge mistake and your injury WILL become chronic doing that.
yes a lot of lifters take them, but either they are ignorant of that fact or they just don't care about their future health. one guy that powerlifts at my gym takes ibuprofen before every workout and he is 50. STUPID STUPID STUPID and he is only crippling himself benching 500 pounds the way he does. you WANT inflammation, let the body heal itself and don't get in the way!
if you ever have inflammation that is a signal that you need to rest that body part and allow it to heal, or at the very least reduce the weight or training on it.
also with joint pain that can be helped with krill oil, omega's. most people fail to get enough healthy omega's in their diet, and in fact they eat foods that rob the body of healing properties. lifters need to be focusing on getting more omega's instead of relying on drugs to fix their injuries.
the rest of your post i don't necessarily disagree with at all. i just have a different opinion. also running deca with test is not gonna prevent suppression, it will actualy make it worse as test is very suppressive and aromatizes into estrogen. the old style dbol/test/deca stack that gets bantered around on the internet is an absolute bitch tit and progesterone dream!! considering most newbs fail to run an AI with that stack they usually end up at victoria's secret getting fit for a new bra .. thats why i never recommend that stack to newbs
spikester
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True thats why i said it wouldn't be smart to take anti's the hole time your lifting, i only take them when the pain gets the 8-10 mark and lay off until its better.
Yeah their will always be opinions so we can let them be, i just hate and don't want newbies to continue to kill the reputation of a drug that works really good - ( on some people ). I mean i hate tren for the side its gives me internally, but thats only in my case, it doesn't do it for the majority of the folks that take it. So i don't go bashing it, i just let people know the possible consequences. If it wasn't for the affects i get from it i would love it.
EliteFitnessGuy
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My recovery was horrible, because I used no PCT whatsoever. I had no idea about the importance of PCT. All my gains disappeared within 1-2 weeks. I felt very exhausted and I virtually sweated all my gained strength out.
I think that testosterone is not much better in this regard, so 95% guys on this forum should be concerned about HRT.
I don't understand the rest of your post. You apparently didn't read my post carefully.
EliteFitnessGuy
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Deca is vilified by primitives, who don't take steroids for sports purposes, but in order to f*ck some woman every night. There is no justification for taking more than 50-100 mg exogenous testosterone/week. This amount will comfortably substitute your endogenous testosterone production. If you take more, you disproportionaly expose your body to testosterone's side effects, which is irrational with regard to the current offer of milder drugs.
Steroids like nandrolone, oxandrolone and methenolone have an excellent ratio between side effects and positive gains. They are not side-free, but how many drugs are?
