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spongebob
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non-sport related people use steroids for many different reasons. i would have to say image is the number one reason. to attract the opposite sex(you feel that you have to be muscular in order to pick up the opposite sex) or to achieve a certain goal(its to be able to lift more, which is an image). it all falls under image. wether it is self image or the image you want to project to society.
i believe the arguement either way is fruitless, and hypocritical.
frackel, no offense but i think you sort of went off on a tangent on this one.
buksoon expressed an opinion, thats all.
she said" but for those of you who just want to look good to reap more/better-quality pussy--i just don't get it."
you proceeded to answer her with some ligitimate responses(healing back) as to why you use them. but one of your reasons is to attract the opposite sex.
this is why she is asking "why".
do you not feel that you can attract the opposite sex without them. i'm sure you can, for i have easily. i know plenty of people that are natural and have very descent size, hell some natural people are often accussed of using, when not. you obviously have convinced yourself that being 180-190 naturally is not good enough, therefore you must try to get even bigger.
my point being, everything you said in regards to "looking better, more muscular, six-pack abs" can be obtained naturally, so why use.
because image is often a step ahead of us.
frackel said "What annoys me the most about this post is the naive ignorance...you know nothing about steroids obviously."
"So I'll tell you what, do some research, open your eyes and learn a bit, then come back...don't come on a pro-steroid board asking ignorant questions about steroids."
where in the world did she claim or need to claim for that matter knowledge of AS. thats not what this thread was about.
frackel, you will justify your use by any logic nessecary, which is fine, because for the most part i agree with you, not to, would be hypocritical and i dont know which i despise more, hypocracy or insincerity.
by the way i have an internet crush on buksoon, so im sticking up for her on this one, and it is a ligitimate opinion of hers.
as always, just my .02.
i believe the arguement either way is fruitless, and hypocritical.
frackel, no offense but i think you sort of went off on a tangent on this one.
buksoon expressed an opinion, thats all.
she said" but for those of you who just want to look good to reap more/better-quality pussy--i just don't get it."
you proceeded to answer her with some ligitimate responses(healing back) as to why you use them. but one of your reasons is to attract the opposite sex.
this is why she is asking "why".
do you not feel that you can attract the opposite sex without them. i'm sure you can, for i have easily. i know plenty of people that are natural and have very descent size, hell some natural people are often accussed of using, when not. you obviously have convinced yourself that being 180-190 naturally is not good enough, therefore you must try to get even bigger.
my point being, everything you said in regards to "looking better, more muscular, six-pack abs" can be obtained naturally, so why use.
because image is often a step ahead of us.
frackel said "What annoys me the most about this post is the naive ignorance...you know nothing about steroids obviously."
"So I'll tell you what, do some research, open your eyes and learn a bit, then come back...don't come on a pro-steroid board asking ignorant questions about steroids."
where in the world did she claim or need to claim for that matter knowledge of AS. thats not what this thread was about.
frackel, you will justify your use by any logic nessecary, which is fine, because for the most part i agree with you, not to, would be hypocritical and i dont know which i despise more, hypocracy or insincerity.
by the way i have an internet crush on buksoon, so im sticking up for her on this one, and it is a ligitimate opinion of hers.
as always, just my .02.
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Nice post spongebob. Frackals statements came off in a negative way with me and I have juiced. I'd like to sell the rest of the AS but that is too risky so I guess I'll do it again.
There are all types of steroid users with all kinds of reasons. I'll bet some do it out of curiousity and the challenge to try something very new and different. Hard not to wonder what one would look and feel like with an extra 20 lbs of muscles and less fat.
This is what I am thinking. "Hot" women go for "hot" guys generally speaking. I would not be surprised if "hot" people tend to have more than their share of psychological hang ups. The possibility of compensation for other weaknesses must be considered as well. My observation is that while the women may look better that go for bodybuilders, the quality of the woman suffers as a rule.
Steroids can be very safe if one does a lot of research, buys safe gear, and administers properly. I really doubt that doing a couple months of roids here and there will have a lasting negative impact on health. Especially when you consider that people who get into it also tend to pay more attention to sleep and diet and avoid mind altering drugs. My .02 for now. I really like this discussion.
There are all types of steroid users with all kinds of reasons. I'll bet some do it out of curiousity and the challenge to try something very new and different. Hard not to wonder what one would look and feel like with an extra 20 lbs of muscles and less fat.
This is what I am thinking. "Hot" women go for "hot" guys generally speaking. I would not be surprised if "hot" people tend to have more than their share of psychological hang ups. The possibility of compensation for other weaknesses must be considered as well. My observation is that while the women may look better that go for bodybuilders, the quality of the woman suffers as a rule.
Steroids can be very safe if one does a lot of research, buys safe gear, and administers properly. I really doubt that doing a couple months of roids here and there will have a lasting negative impact on health. Especially when you consider that people who get into it also tend to pay more attention to sleep and diet and avoid mind altering drugs. My .02 for now. I really like this discussion.
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Frackal
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Yeah, my statements were negative because she pissed me off.
First,
babydoc: "A humble man does not say it...."
A humble man does not say it? Maybe, but I know what I am, what traits I have and what I lack, does that mean I go around in real life bragging about it? No, I'm very quiet, polite and down to earth, I never treat anyone as if they are beneath me.
I felt it was necessary in this case to 'say it.'
Spongebob:
I did go off on a tangent, because like I said above, this post really pissed me off. It wasn't the question that angered me, someone else posted a similiar thread on the AAS board awhile back, but they asked the question in a way where I did not feel as though they were laughing at all non-sports related AAS users.
Maybe I was wrong but at least I know I'm not the only one who was offended here.
I suppose it's also because I was already generally annoyed at buksoon anyway.
As far as not attracting the opposite sex, anyone who doesn't use AAS specifically for sports/rehab purposes is using it to some degree to attract the opposite sex. Is that pathetic?
Absolutely not! Men do all KINDS of different things to get 'more chicks.' One is making lots of money, is making alot of money (partially to get women) thought of as pathetic? No, and neither should be AAS usage.
Honestly, I did not feel as though I was trying to justify my 'usage' to her..maybe I was a little pissy about it, but I dont apologize. I felt as though I was defending myself after being called pathetic, and I know I wasn't the only one.
I suppose I am a little fucking tired of hearing bullshit about AAS at least once a day in GNC, so I am hypersensitive to getting pissed at anyone who critisizes it without a valid reason. (IMO)
First,
babydoc: "A humble man does not say it...."
A humble man does not say it? Maybe, but I know what I am, what traits I have and what I lack, does that mean I go around in real life bragging about it? No, I'm very quiet, polite and down to earth, I never treat anyone as if they are beneath me.
I felt it was necessary in this case to 'say it.'
Spongebob:
I did go off on a tangent, because like I said above, this post really pissed me off. It wasn't the question that angered me, someone else posted a similiar thread on the AAS board awhile back, but they asked the question in a way where I did not feel as though they were laughing at all non-sports related AAS users.
Maybe I was wrong but at least I know I'm not the only one who was offended here.
I suppose it's also because I was already generally annoyed at buksoon anyway.
As far as not attracting the opposite sex, anyone who doesn't use AAS specifically for sports/rehab purposes is using it to some degree to attract the opposite sex. Is that pathetic?
Absolutely not! Men do all KINDS of different things to get 'more chicks.' One is making lots of money, is making alot of money (partially to get women) thought of as pathetic? No, and neither should be AAS usage.
Honestly, I did not feel as though I was trying to justify my 'usage' to her..maybe I was a little pissy about it, but I dont apologize. I felt as though I was defending myself after being called pathetic, and I know I wasn't the only one.
I suppose I am a little fucking tired of hearing bullshit about AAS at least once a day in GNC, so I am hypersensitive to getting pissed at anyone who critisizes it without a valid reason. (IMO)
Scotsman
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bouncer said:
Are you sure? I don't know if I want to see that or not.
To answer Buksoon's question I could give a rats ass is girls find my musclature attractive or not. I lift because I want to be a competitive powerlifter, scottish games athlete, and eventually strongman. Most girls I know tell my that I am too big already and none of them has seen me stop lifting yet. If a girl doesn't like me for everything that I am then I won't be with her and she shouldn't be with me.
thebabydoc
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EXCELLENT post, Test boy. I already gave you good Karma so I have to spread it around before I can give it again but I was impressed by your insight and just wanted to say "good post"; your point about "hot" guys and "hot" girls could not have been more succinctly and accurately stated.Test boy said:
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Warik
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Crazier said:
I've been both... 130 and 170. 130 ---> 170 did not require any juice.
I think the real question to be asked here is not "Why do you juice?", but rather, "Why do you juice when you do not have to?" If you're 250lbs or something and want to get bigger still, juice may be the only answer. If you still haven't reached 220lbs or even 200lbs, why waste the money, time, and risk the health?
I see guys posting shit all the time: "this is me before my cycle, this is me a few months later as a fat piece of shit, this is me a few months later looking awesome after getting ripped" wow congratulations... add up those months and I could have had the same progress naturally without being a fat shit and burning a gear-hole in my pocket in between.
I guess that's just me, though.
-Warik
Warik...very very very good point!!!! I agree.
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thebabydoc
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Damn Warik!!!
Well put.
This is turning out to be a great thread.
Can we start flaming yet?!?!!?!
Well put.
This is turning out to be a great thread.
Can we start flaming yet?!?!!?!
