Why do MMAers in Pride and UFC always

[Yarg!]

Keep their fucking hands down. Well there are a few guys who keep their guard up, but the majority of them drops their hands like crazy. THen they get KTFO, then the next match, they drop them again. Why can't they just learn to keep their hands up? I mean you can drop them sometimes, like when your opponent is far away, but even when they're close together, their hands fall. Why do they do this? It irks me like crazy!!

 

[rgjujitsu]

Poor boxing skills combined with having to worry about defending the takedown imho.

 

[MikeMartial]

Not all do, Yarg. I just watched a Gomi fight that BRR had linked up, and he (and his opponent) do pretty good job keeping their hands up.

I think a lot may have to do with being gassed out. I know I've been busted many a time at the end of a round with my hands too low.

 

[Yarg!]

Agree on the gas thing, but Gomi is just a damn good boxer man, lol. He beat Jens Pulver as in Koed him after going toe to toe, and Jens is a really good boxer. However I see alot of them do drop their hands, for instance Chuck Lidell. 80 percent of the time, his hands are at his sides. Good thing hes got that iron chin!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Having to defend against takedowns is a good reason. taking rests while out of the middle range (striking range) is another... But if you are comparing an MMA fight to a boxing fight and the two just don't fit.
-Boxers drop their hands when out of range, MMA guys do too.
-When in the middle range boxers will put their hands up and weave about to avoid punches while landing some conbinations of their own, and MMA fighter in the middle range is either throwing punches, or kicks or knees or going for a takedown or trying to clinch. Most MMA guys will back away or circle away from their opponent before they think about defending their face with just their hands.

Also, the benefit to an MMA guy to put his hands up sporting tiny little 4oz gloves that give you little protection, and make it easy for your opponent's tiny little 4oz gloves to sneak thru your guard >> is not as great as a boxer with 16oz pillows on their hands protecting against opponents that are using the same ballons on theirs. This is why a boxer will stand in front of his opponent and defend against every punch with movement and covering up / While an MMA guy will just fire back with more punches or get the hell out of the way...





-BRR

 

[Inhibitor13]

Having to defend against takedowns is a good reason. taking rests while out of the middle range (striking range) is another... But if you are comparing an MMA fight to a boxing fight and the two just don't fit.
-Boxers drop their hands when out of range, MMA guys do too.
-When in the middle range boxers will put their hands up and weave about to avoid punches while landing some conbinations of their own, and MMA fighter in the middle range is either throwing punches, or kicks or knees or going for a takedown or trying to clinch. Most MMA guys will back away or circle away from their opponent before they think about defending their face with just their hands.

Also, the benefit to an MMA guy to put his hands up sporting tiny little 4oz gloves that give you little protection, and make it easy for your opponent's tiny little 4oz gloves to sneak thru your guard >> is not as great as a boxer with 16oz pillows on their hands protecting against opponents that are using the same ballons on theirs. This is why a boxer will stand in front of his opponent and defend against every punch with movement and covering up / While an MMA guy will just fire back with more punches or get the hell out of the way...





-BRR

Couldnt have said it any better... if your not in this sport but your into boxing, just like said above you cant compare. This sport is like 10x more dangerous than your boxing and its awesome! It takes a lot to jump in a cage and a lot more to be able to walk out on your own. Win or Lose I love it ! cant wait to get back in there and kick ass !

inhibitor

 

[Kane Fan]

Agree on the gas thing, but Gomi is just a damn good boxer man, lol. He beat Jens Pulver as in Koed him after going toe to toe, and Jens is a really good boxer. However I see alot of them do drop their hands, for instance Chuck Lidell. 80 percent of the time, his hands are at his sides. Good thing hes got that iron chin!

I think Chuck's hands stay low mostly for stuffing Shoots

 

[Kane Fan]

Couldnt have said it any better... if your not in this sport but your into boxing, just like said above you cant compare. This sport is like 10x more dangerous than your boxing and its awesome! It takes a lot to jump in a cage and a lot more to be able to walk out on your own. Win or Lose I love it ! cant wait to get back in there and kick ass !

inhibitor

let me guess as soon as someone says MMA is unsafe your one of the first to jump on the 'no way man it's way saffer then boxing' bandwagon yah?

 

[MikeMartial]

let me guess as soon as someone says MMA is unsafe your one of the first to jump on the 'no way man it's way saffer then boxing' bandwagon yah?

Well it is safer, Kane. There's no bandwagon, just uninformed people.

You know that

 

[Inhibitor13]

let me guess as soon as someone says MMA is unsafe your one of the first to jump on the 'no way man it's way saffer then boxing' bandwagon yah?

HAHAHA...thats funny. I am not one of those people cause if it was safe I wouldnt do it. I love things that you could possibly die from. I go skydiving every summer since I turned 18. I just like rushes like that. didnt mean to nark on boxing dont get me wrong boxing is alright but my heart lies with mma. Its just my opinion, just like you have yours. I do this cuz I enjoy it and I agree 100% its unsafe...but if you wanna come to conclusion that thats the kinda person I am then its cool. However if Cage fighting was SAFE you would probably see more women in the competition (I havent seen a womans fight yet) however I do see boxing having a womans division.

Bottom line is read my post and in your case read it twice: "This sport is like 10x more dangerous than your boxing "........ so you stick to your pillows you call boxing gloves cause we need more people like you trying to keep that sport alive.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

You know... I actually think that fight per fight, MMA is safe than Boxing...

In boxing you can get ROCKED with a solid hook to the jaw. Hit the canvas, "1" be out cold "2" open your eyes, eyeballs still rolling to the back of your head "3" start to regather yourself and regaing your vision "4" let your instinct drive you to get back up to your feet "5" stumble to your feet while still some what shanken, vision is getting better "6" realize you are in a fight and just got knocked down "7" the refereen asks you "where are you?" "I'm in a fight" you say, still rocked "8" says the ref and cuts you lose to go keep taking hits to the head.

You are allowed to get back up and receive more punishment. In most cases this can happen several times throught the fight.

In an MMA fight, you take the same left hook to the jaw, you hit the canvas with your arms by your sides in no way capable to defent yourself. You opponet jumps on top of you and is ready to keep swinging. Then the Ref tackles him to the ground to keep him from firing off another shot. Fight is over.





-BRR

 

[Saiyagin]

You know... I actually think that fight per fight, MMA is safe than Boxing...

In boxing you can get ROCKED with a solid hook to the jaw. Hit the canvas, "1" be out cold "2" open your eyes, eyeballs still rolling to the back of your head "3" start to regather yourself and regaing your vision "4" let your instinct drive you to get back up to your feet "5" stumble to your feet while still some what shanken, vision is getting better "6" realize you are in a fight and just got knocked down "7" the refereen asks you "where are you?" "I'm in a fight" you say, still rocked "8" says the ref and cuts you lose to go keep taking hits to the head.

You are allowed to get back up and receive more punishment. In most cases this can happen several times throught the fight.

In an MMA fight, you take the same left hook to the jaw, you hit the canvas with your arms by your sides in no way capable to defent yourself. You opponet jumps on top of you and is ready to keep swinging. Then the Ref tackles him to the ground to keep him from firing off another shot. Fight is over.





-BRR[/QUOTE

I agree with that MMA is more dangerous. The reason why the boxer stood back up is because his opponent is wearing like someone said pillows for gloves but if you took those gloves off he would not stand back up. When a MMA fighter gets rocked from a good solid hit he is usually out before he even hits the ground. Ive seen alot of MMA fighters that where knocked out cold get in 2-3 more punches or elbows in before the ref stops the fight. While in boxing once the opponent goes down the ref stops the fight. Also rear naked chokes,armbars, elbows ,knees and tiny gloves make MMA in my opinion alot more dangerous then boxing.

 

[boskers22]

MMA is def more safe then boxing but also more dangerous in a way. In boxing a they land about 30 shots to the head a round and that can cause serious trama to the brain later in life, but in MMA one good shot fights done they might hav a broken nose or jaw but nothing serious on the inside. but as dangerous goes boxing u just have to worry about the hands, MMA is punching, kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, and head butts in vale tudo

 

[Saiyagin]

To answer your question Yarq in my opinion the reason why most fighters drop there hands is lack of disipline. When a fighter gets really fatigue or discouraged they will usually resort back to there natural basic instincts and forget alot of there skills they were taught while a real good disiplined fighter can over ride his natural basic instincts and keep calm and utilize all his skills he was taught even though he is fatigued or losing. Its basically like the saying mind over matter.

 

[Saiyagin]

MMA is def more safe then boxing but also more dangerous in a way. In boxing a they land about 30 shots to the head a round and that can cause serious trama to the brain later in life, but in MMA one good shot fights done they might hav a broken nose or jaw but nothing serious on the inside. but as dangerous goes boxing u just have to worry about the hands, MMA is punching, kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, and head butts in vale tudo

In boxing and MMA they both have the one punch knock out artist like Mike Tyson or Chuck liddel but Ive seen alot of MMA fighters take sometimes more then 30 shots to the head especially on ground and pound and they dont knock out and if your gonna say but they dont have that much power in there punch while on the ground compared to boxers standing up yeah thats true but glove size of the MMA makes up for it believe me it makes a big difference using a 12-16 once gloves compared to gloves that are only 1 once or less trust me I have used and felt both.

 

[Inhibitor13]

In boxing and MMA they both have the one punch knock out artist like Mike Tyson or Chuck liddel but Ive seen alot of MMA fighters take sometimes more then 30 shots to the head especially on ground and pound and they dont knock out and if your gonna say but they dont have that much power in there punch while on the ground compared to boxers standing up yeah thats true but glove size of the MMA makes up for it believe me it makes a big difference using a 12-16 once gloves compared to gloves that are only 1 once or less trust me I have used and felt both.

I agree with people on both sides of the subject. I am a person who trys to look at both side of views. Boxing is a pretty dangerous sport but I am gonna still go with MMA to be the more dangerous one. I mean you not only have those 1 ounce gloves...and the reason they wear them is to reduce getting cut up. You have those dangerous elbow strikes (which I love to throw on my opponant when he is down or I have him against the cage)....shin kicks (have you ever been shin kicked to that nerve on the side of your leg ! Talk about pain !)

I dont know if your comparing just UFC to Pro Boxing or the sport of MMA to Boxing? If its MMA then your forgeting about Pride fighting where no gloves are worn at all ! They say this all the time on TUF "its the most fun you can have w/o going to jail" ....I remeber when MMA came to the U.S... the government was trying their hardiest to shut them down cause the sport was so dangerous and that somone is gonna get killed. The U.S. was and still is a place for boxing.... used to be when people got into a fight on the street...they would box. If they went down to the ground they would stand back up. Now that people are prone to MMA the fights almost always go to the ground.

I am pretty sure most of you know this but to those who dont.... when Gracie (Gracie Jui Jitsu ) came to the U.S. he put out a challenge to all sorts of fighters whether it be boxers to kickboxers ..he took them all out to prove his style of fighting was more effective than all the others. Then thats when the sport of MMA started to develop. Now to find out which is more dangerous I would put a pro boxer in a ring with a MMA fighter and I would garuntee you the MMA fighter will win the fight cause a boxers punch wont be very affectice if he is on the ground or they are close together. Just my ramblings thats all....

Inhibitor

 

[alcatraz1662]

Keep their fucking hands down. Well there are a few guys who keep their guard up, but the majority of them drops their hands like crazy. THen they get KTFO, then the next match, they drop them again. Why can't they just learn to keep their hands up? I mean you can drop them sometimes, like when your opponent is far away, but even when they're close together, their hands fall. Why do they do this? It irks me like crazy!!

To answer the original question first, if it drives you crazy, then you get in there and show us how it's done, big man. You specifically name people in the UFC and Pride........well, they made it there for a reason.....and one of the reasons is not because their guard sucked. Like BRR said, in MMA the guards are going to be a little lower than typical stances in boxing and kickboxing because there are more options of fighting. Fighters are now starting to experiment with different forms and techniques in MMA. Look at David Louiseau and his spinning back kicks, jump kicks, flying knees, etc. Even in boxing, you're starting to see alot of the lighter weight classes drop their lead hand, or their jab hand, all the way down to their side and just keep their power hand, or cross hand, up.

Then you call out how Chuck Liddell has a bad guard and drops his hands down too much! That's kind of silly. Chuck Liddell might be one of the most dangerous fighters in the Light Heavyweight class to this day. Let it be known that Chuck was a D-I wrestler and fought in K-1. He's beaten some of the toughest fighters out there. He's beaten Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, avenged his loss against Jeremy Horn and Randy Couture. If Chuck wants to drop his hands down to his balls, that's his perrogative. He wears the belt, he knows what he's doing.

 

[Inhibitor13]

To answer the original question first, if it drives you crazy, then you get in there and show us how it's done, big man. You specifically name people in the UFC and Pride........well, they made it there for a reason.....and one of the reasons is not because their guard sucked. Like BRR said, in MMA the guards are going to be a little lower than typical stances in boxing and kickboxing because there are more options of fighting. Fighters are now starting to experiment with different forms and techniques in MMA. Look at David Louiseau and his spinning back kicks, jump kicks, flying knees, etc. Even in boxing, you're starting to see alot of the lighter weight classes drop their lead hand, or their jab hand, all the way down to their side and just keep their power hand, or cross hand, up.

Then you call out how Chuck Liddell has a bad guard and drops his hands down too much! That's kind of silly. Chuck Liddell might be one of the most dangerous fighters in the Light Heavyweight class to this day. Let it be known that Chuck was a D-I wrestler and fought in K-1. He's beaten some of the toughest fighters out there. He's beaten Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, avenged his loss against Jeremy Horn and Randy Couture. If Chuck wants to drop his hands down to his balls, that's his perrogative. He wears the belt, he knows what he's doing.

Chuck is da man,.... I was laughing my ass off when he beat Coture in the first round to get the belt ! A lot of the guys I train with knarked on me for rooting for lidell. Even after the match when I saw them again to rub it in their faces...all they had to say was " he was robbed...or that was bullshit"...lol

 

[Saiyagin]

Inhibitor13 did you read my first post Im actually agreeing with you that MMA is more dangerous then boxing lol....Also I like chuck with his unorthadox fighting style which makes him dangerous and unpredictable. But Chuck got his ass kicked in Pride when he fought that black dude I think Jackson or something not too sure of his name but thats what usually happens when you meet a stand up fighter thats just as good as you or better.

 

[boskers22]

In boxing and MMA they both have the one punch knock out artist like Mike Tyson or Chuck liddel but Ive seen alot of MMA fighters take sometimes more then 30 shots to the head especially on ground and pound and they dont knock out and if your gonna say but they dont have that much power in there punch while on the ground compared to boxers standing up yeah thats true but glove size of the MMA makes up for it believe me it makes a big difference using a 12-16 once gloves compared to gloves that are only 1 once or less trust me I have used and felt both.

true but i was saying per round, mma r usually shorter then boxing fights. if def not sayin mma is easier or nething but i mean long term effects. also the black fighter u where refering to was quinton "rampage" jackson if u have the chance watch his fights he always puts on a great show

 

[Kane Fan]

Well it is safer, Kane. There's no bandwagon, just uninformed people.

You know that

the argument can be either way
I just hate when people try to make the argument both ways depending on what they think makes their prefered sport sound 'cooler' at the time
the same person that insists MMA is more dangerous then Boxing so they can sound 'tougher' then a Boxer will insisit Boxing is far more dangerous when the idea of banning MMA comes up
I just can't stand that

 

[Kane Fan]

HAHAHA...thats funny. I am not one of those people cause if it was safe I wouldnt do it. I love things that you could possibly die from. I go skydiving every summer since I turned 18. I just like rushes like that. didnt mean to nark on boxing dont get me wrong boxing is alright but my heart lies with mma. Its just my opinion, just like you have yours. I do this cuz I enjoy it and I agree 100% its unsafe...but if you wanna come to conclusion that thats the kinda person I am then its cool. However if Cage fighting was SAFE you would probably see more women in the competition (I havent seen a womans fight yet) however I do see boxing having a womans division.

Bottom line is read my post and in your case read it twice: "This sport is like 10x more dangerous than your boxing "........ so you stick to your pillows you call boxing gloves cause we need more people like you trying to keep that sport alive.

actually I like MMA a lot
I read your post just fine I'm just going to wait untill a thread about banning it comes up and see if you sing the same tune
I'd rather see women do straight grappling then mixed personally

 

[Kane Fan]

You know... I actually think that fight per fight, MMA is safe than Boxing...

In boxing you can get ROCKED with a solid hook to the jaw. Hit the canvas, "1" be out cold "2" open your eyes, eyeballs still rolling to the back of your head "3" start to regather yourself and regaing your vision "4" let your instinct drive you to get back up to your feet "5" stumble to your feet while still some what shanken, vision is getting better "6" realize you are in a fight and just got knocked down "7" the refereen asks you "where are you?" "I'm in a fight" you say, still rocked "8" says the ref and cuts you lose to go keep taking hits to the head.

You are allowed to get back up and receive more punishment. In most cases this can happen several times throught the fight.

In an MMA fight, you take the same left hook to the jaw, you hit the canvas with your arms by your sides in no way capable to defent yourself. You opponet jumps on top of you and is ready to keep swinging. Then the Ref tackles him to the ground to keep him from firing off another shot. Fight is over.





-BRR

that's a problem with the Ref's not the rules of Boxing
MMA on the other hand you can catch elbows and knees and kicks with no padding whatsoever

 

[Kane Fan]

MMA is def more safe then boxing but also more dangerous in a way. In boxing a they land about 30 shots to the head a round and that can cause serious trama to the brain later in life, but in MMA one good shot fights done they might hav a broken nose or jaw but nothing serious on the inside. but as dangerous goes boxing u just have to worry about the hands, MMA is punching, kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, and head butts in vale tudo

but you dont have the level of punchers in mma tha tyou have in boxing

 

[Inhibitor13]

Inhibitor13 did you read my first post Im actually agreeing with you that MMA is more dangerous then boxing lol....Also I like chuck with his unorthadox fighting style which makes him dangerous and unpredictable. But Chuck got his ass kicked in Pride when he fought that black dude I think Jackson or something not too sure of his name but thats what usually happens when you meet a stand up fighter thats just as good as you or better.

Yeh, that wasnt directed towards you bro... just saying that chucks the man..thats all

 

[Inhibitor13]

actually I like MMA a lot
I read your post just fine I'm just going to wait untill a thread about banning it comes up and see if you sing the same tune
I'd rather see women do straight grappling then mixed personally

I see what your saying now...I will agree with people as of you and me if it were dangerous and so will others who do this sport and love it. But if it came to the governement trying to bann it, I am sure that EVERYONE will say that its not that dangerous to go about banning it. So they will say its no worse than boxing or boxing is more dangerous. The reason they will do that is because they simply want to continue what they love to do and keep it alive here in the states. Sorry for not thinking bro...my bad.

Inhibitor

 

[Inhibitor13]

I have found some good points others have made about the subject on other forums!

Many many more people die/have died from boxing - boxing is 1000 times more dangerous than MMA.


Boxing is more dangerous because they relie on punches only. too much punches on head = brain damage and even death ( or you can be like ali ). In mma you dont only strike but you can also grapple.
With MMA you can tie up your opponent and take him to the ground if you are taking too much punishment. There is also no standin 8 count...so if a fighter gets stunned and knocked down the ref jumps in and the fight is over. In MMA you also have the option to submit your opponent which while potentially dangerous to limbs, is nothing compared to hundreds of punches a boxer takes to the head during an average 12 round bout. In boxing you have almost no option but to get punched in the face....MMA is far less dangerous to the fighters and only carries the stigma it does because of the original UFC which literally had "no rules."
Pride fc is the most dangerous out there. 2nd vale tudo. 3rd Ufc and 4th Boxing.

Why?
The dangerous thing about boxing is the aftermath of a combat. Since They hae several rounds, the damage done to the brain is more important. However!

It is just a question of time before a freak accident occurs in Pride fc. So far, I'd say that they're doing great, concidering what these guys have to go thr during a combat. (obviously, the doctors are their to do the job in case something goes terribly wrong.) And the good thing, is that There 's only 3 rounds in mma (in pride fc) 1rst round = 10 mins 2nd round = 5 mins & 3rd 5mins.

So why is Pride fc more dangerous than Boxing?

Just look at combats such as Ricardo Arona vs Quinton Jackson. Or better yet, look at Fedor emelianenko vs Kevin Randleman. Or even Wanderlei Silva vs Jackson. Or Silva vs Kondo.

One day, something terrible is gonna happen. Someone's gonna receive one too many knees to the mouth and won't get up. One day, someone's gonna get paralysed with these fuckin slams.

stomping an opponents face in, while He's unconcious is pretty dangerous too. (the kondo vs silva was just barbaric)

 

[Kane Fan]

I see what your saying now...I will agree with people as of you and me if it were dangerous and so will others who do this sport and love it. But if it came to the governement trying to bann it, I am sure that EVERYONE will say that its not that dangerous to go about banning it. So they will say its no worse than boxing or boxing is more dangerous. The reason they will do that is because they simply want to continue what they love to do and keep it alive here in the states. Sorry for not thinking bro...my bad.

Inhibitor

that's ok it's nto like you lowblowed me or anything

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Just look at combats such as Ricardo Arona vs Quinton Jackson. Or better yet, look at Fedor emelianenko vs Kevin Randleman. Or even Wanderlei Silva vs Jackson. Or Silva vs Kondo.

One day, something terrible is gonna happen. Someone's gonna receive one too many knees to the mouth and won't get up. One day, someone's gonna get paralysed with these fuckin slams.

Ok... This I have to disagree with.
There are more slams in a single Greco Roma or Freestyle wrestling tournament at the High School level, than there are in Pride or the UFC in a whole year of fights. Nobody is questioning the safety Olympic wrestling or asking for it to be banned.

In fact, when I use to wrestle freestyle, it was ENCOURAGED for us to throw guys and land them on their back. We got extra points for High Amplitude Slams that caused the guy to expose his back to the mat, and if his back touched the mat on impact it was an automatic pin for a win.

If MMA is dangerous, the slams are not the cause.



-BRR

 

[Kane Fan]

I have to counterdisagree
in wrestling everyone is going in expecting things like that
and they are all training for it with neckbridges etc
and they dedicate a lot of practice to wrestling (all of it in fact)
but you can get a guy in mma who's not so hot at actual wrestling but good striker and good takedown defence
and one slam on him can kill him

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I have to counterdisagree
in wrestling everyone is going in expecting things like that
and they are all training for it with neckbridges etc
and they dedicate a lot of practice to wrestling (all of it in fact)
but you can get a guy in mma who's not so hot at actual wrestling but good striker and good takedown defence
and one slam on him can kill him

even if the MMA guys don't train for the slam specifically (I disagree on this too BTW) There really aren't that many guys getting slamed, and even less guys getting hurt from a slam. I have seen hundreds of slams in MMA fights, I have only see 4 guys get hurt from them... 3 of those guys are still fighting today. I just don't see it being as dangerous as most people think...




-BRR

 

[Judo Tom]

the life of a boxer is far more dangerous health wise then the life of an mma guy.

boxers suffer much more trama in there training and fights then mma guys

i do agree that if a mma guy is not trained in falling and gets slammed bad injury can happen but the way things are going in mma the odds of that are going down each day with more people going into standing grappling arts (wrestling,judo,sambo,etc) and IMO thats the same thing as a boxer not knowing how to block any left handed punches.

 

[rgjujitsu]

Anyone remember Igor Z. vs. Frank Shamrock, that slam basically ended his career. Not that I think mma is more dangerous though, because it isn't. Old school vale tudo maybe, also, I don't like soccer kicks to the head, too dangerous(see Alan Goes)

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Anyone remember Igor Z. vs. Frank Shamrock, that slam basically ended his career. Not that I think mma is more dangerous though, because it isn't. Old school vale tudo maybe, also, I don't like soccer kicks to the head, too dangerous(see Alan Goes)

Did it end his career becaue he was physically unable to fight? or because he never recovered mentally from it?

Getting KOed like that must be pretty traumatic to a fighter... A punch at least you never really see coming and realize you got KOed after you wake up...
A slam, you know you are going for a ride as soon as your feet leave the ground... Although you don't really panic until you feel you are over 4ft in the air and your legs are higher than your head.




-BRR

 

[tanka]

brain trauma is not always evident immediately in boxers. brain damage is a progressive condition,and you need only to reflect on the fighters of yesteryear's to see that fact.heavyweight world champion Floyd Patterson,unable to remember his own address. world heavyweight champion Ingemar johanson, diagnosed with brain dementia. heavyweight contender Jerry, and brother mike quarry light heavyweight contender, Jerry unable to tie his own shoe laces. mike is in a similar condition .Ali of course no longer floats like a butterfly or stings like a bee.all 60s and 70s fighters the list is very long.the risk of damage has to be factored into a pro career, but boxing and other forms of combat should never be banned as there are far more dangerous pursuits out there.

 

[Kane Fan]

the life of a boxer is far more dangerous health wise then the life of an mma guy.

boxers suffer much more trama in there training and fights then mma guys

i do agree that if a mma guy is not trained in falling and gets slammed bad injury can happen but the way things are going in mma the odds of that are going down each day with more people going into standing grappling arts (wrestling,judo,sambo,etc) and IMO thats the same thing as a boxer not knowing how to block any left handed punches.

you guys missed the point
it's not that mma guys DON'T train for slams etc, it's that in wrestling you work on taking down and getting taken down and avoiding getting taken down almost exclsuively (they have no strike training or real submission work)
it's a question of amount of time dedicated to that aspect not that no time is given by mma fighters

 

[Kane Fan]

brain trauma is not always evident immediately in boxers. brain damage is a progressive condition,and you need only to reflect on the fighters of yesteryear's to see that fact.heavyweight world champion Floyd Patterson,unable to remember his own address. world heavyweight champion Ingemar johanson, diagnosed with brain dementia. heavyweight contender Jerry, and brother mike quarry light heavyweight contender, Jerry unable to tie his own shoe laces. mike is in a similar condition .Ali of course no longer floats like a butterfly or stings like a bee.all 60s and 70s fighters the list is very long.the risk of damage has to be factored into a pro career, but boxing and other forms of combat should never be banned as there are far more dangerous pursuits out there.

yah boxing is long term dangerous
but MMA hasn't been around long enough to determine the long term effects

 

[tanka]

true, it is hard to quantify.my guess is there will be similar levels of comparable damage in both sports.this however will take several years to verify.

 

[Kane Fan]

I think it will be worse on MMA guys actually
people want to use the fact that mma fights are over in three rounds
well ok but how many boxers are fighting every other or every 3rd month
not many
so the overall rounds will pile up for the mma guys

 

[mikey007]

Sanctioned boxing averages 4 deaths a year. I know the UFC hasnt had one yet. So you tell me, sustained blows to the head with no way to protect your self or clinch up = serious injury.