Why are there no Chinese fighters in MMA?

[Djimbe]

Dude, NO Pure MT person EVER won a UFC in the "Old Days" .

Oh , and Jason DeLucia ALONE has 30 MMA Wins . He got beat by Royce , but so did a lot of ppl . He also beat other BJJ guys , so so what ? You not seeing something dosent mean it never happened .

 

[Djimbe]

Actually China is on track to surpass the USA in economic prowess with in the next 10 years. On top of that there are a lot of successful athletes which come out of China, think Yao Ming, basketball is an American sport, yet he was able to reach greatness. I don't see why they would not take an art which is homegrown in their backyard and make it a staple of their pride as a nation if it was so effective. The Koreans did it with Tae Kwon Do, the Brazilians did it with Ju Jitsu(and lets not even get to how poor they are)and they certainly do not have the economic prowess China has. Have you ever even been to China? I have, and to say the least I've seen people much worse off in the slums of Jersey City then I did in Shanghai.

The bottomline is that these "secret deadly arts" are truly bullshit in the end. I can post you 20 videos of Kung fu "experts" getting the crap kicked out of them by other MAist.

There are no "Secret Deadly Arts" and I have never argued that there were . And Russia was an "Economic Superpower" in the eighties , while her citizenry stood in day-long lines for Bread and Toilet Paper . YES , I HAVE been to China , and not JUST to the bic cities . THE PEOPLE THERE ARE POOR - FAR worse off than in ANY American city , and on the whole worse off then most of Brazil , wich Ive ALSO been to .


Oh , and "The Brazilians" didnt do ANYTHIGN , one RICH FAMILY did . THEY developed hte Sport and Funded it , not Brazil .

OI , and when has Taekwondo been Successful in MMA ?

Your "Arguments" dont fit reality .

EDIT: To add, China is pressing the Olympic Commitee to add Wushu as a an olympic sport. So the support is there.

I said that there is no support FOR MMA - not no support for Wushu .

In the end they are not competing in MMA because they are a lot of smoke and mirrors and no real application.

Please enter a San Shou Rules tourney . Tell me where you live and Ill direct you . Bring your Skills . If there is no application you should clean uop against your same level and weright Class , no ? Please take Video for us all . Thank you .

 

[CrazyK]

There are no "Secret Deadly Arts" and I have never argued that there were . And Russia was an "Economic Superpower" in the eighties , while her citizenry stood in day-long lines for Bread and Toilet Paper . YES , I HAVE been to China , and not JUST to the bic cities . THE PEOPLE THERE ARE POOR - FAR worse off than in ANY American city , and on the whole worse off then most of Brazil , wich Ive ALSO been to . Using Russia is a horrible analogy. Russia produced some of the greatest athletes in the world, anyone who was good, they supported. Unlike the USA they could hire these athletes and basically turn their once hobby in to a full time job. China also has a similar program, and if they had 1 just 1 good fighter that they think would compete with the big boys of mma they would sponsor him to the fullest. In the end they never will because they have too much pride to see the infamous Kung Fu masters get throttled.

Oh , and "The Brazilians" didnt do ANYTHIGN , one RICH FAMILY did . THEY developed hte Sport and Funded it , not Brazil . It came out of Brazil, and the Brazilian people embraced it. All martial arts started in similar fashion with a small tight knit group of practitioners and then expansion.
OI , and when has Taekwondo been Successful in MMA ?
Didn't say they were. I said that they marketed their system of martial arts to world wide acclaim, and have competed in many mma events, at least they aren't pussies.
Your "Arguments" dont fit reality .
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I said that there is no support FOR MMA - not no support for Wushu .

Yeah but you're missing the point. The chinese could market their system and put themselves up against other martial artists, such as the Koreans did with Tae Kwon Do, and the Brazilians did with Ju Jitsu(BOTH of which are sports in and of themselves). The $$ if there for their system, but they don't choose to chompete because they know they will fail.

Please enter a San Shou Rules tourney . Tell me where you live and Ill direct you . Bring your Skills . If there is no application you should clean uop against your same level and weright Class , no ? Please take Video for us all . Thank you .Contact me in about 2 years, I'm finishing up my NCAA Football eligibility and as long I don't miracously get in the NFL then I'd be up for it. Until then I'll lose my eligibility for competing in any official sports tournament.

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[Djimbe]

Using Russia is a horrible analogy. Russia produced some of the greatest athletes in the world, anyone who was good, they supported. Unlike the USA they could hire these athletes and basically turn their once hobby in to a full time job. China also has a similar program, and if they had 1 just 1 good fighter that they think would compete with the big boys of mma they would sponsor him to the fullest. In the end they never will because they have too much pride to see the infamous Kung Fu masters get throttled.

No , because they have no MMA PROGRAM . You fail to comprehend how Institutionalised athletics works from a Beaurocratic standpoint . You WANT the universe to be run in a particular way , and its just NOT that way . I WISH you were Correct , but its just not the case .

Yeah but you're missing the point. The chinese could market their system and put themselves up against other martial artists, such as the Koreans did with Tae Kwon Do, and the Brazilians did with Ju Jitsu(BOTH of which are sports in and of themselves). The $$ if there for their system, but they don't choose to chompete because they know they will fail.

Actually the Chinese did exactly that . They Did the whole "Muay Thai Versus San Da" series , an they beat the PROFFESSIONAL Thais SOUNDLY with AMATEUR Chinese Kung Fu Fighters . In fact it was WILDLY Popular in China and Thailand and in Japan . They did EXACTLY what you describe , but they DIDNT do it IN MMA . Why ? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MMA PROGRAMME .

Like I said before , just because YOU dont know whats going on in the world dosent mean its never happened .

such as the Koreans did with Tae Kwon Do, and the Brazilians did with Ju Jitsu(BOTH of which are sports in and of themselves)

1) AGAIN , it was NOT "The Brazilians" It was THE GRACIES . You know VERY Little about Brazilian MA , neh ? You DO realise that there are SEVERAL Systems of MA in Brazil - Capoeira , VT , etc , and they ALL Compete WITH BJJ ? That JUDO is the ONLY Government Sponsored MA and THAT is whats taught in Schools like Wrestling is in the US ? BJJ is ONLY promoted by the Machados/Gracies and Zuffa , whos AMERICAN . BJJ was TRULY Cross Promoted IN THE US !

2) What Sport system has TKD Proved itself against ? Im usually the PRO TKD guy , but seriously , yore acting as if TKD fights in a huge number of MMA Matchups with success , and Im unaware of any such events having taken place . Please enlighten me .

Didn't say they were. I said that they marketed their system of martial arts to world wide acclaim,

How ? By being in the OLYMPICS wich is what China is TRYING TO DO NOW ! Theyre GETTING to the place where TKD is , they never before had the Opportunity . Theyre TRYING to Promote San Shou/San Da events and the systems that support the Ruleset , these thigns take time . Theyre pushing to make it an Olymic Event , not trying to Hide it from anyone ! Thats EXACTLYU what TKD did , but the Chinese dont get the Credit because the IOC hasnt let them get In yet ? Thats NOT the fault of CHINA by ANY means !

and have competed in many mma events,

where have Pure TKDists sponsored by Korea been Successful in MMA ? I cant count ONE . Least CMA systems have Delucia and Le .

at least they aren't pussies.

Implying that EVERYONE in ALL OF CHINA is a "Pussy" Smacks of Racism , man . I really hope that you dont mean to come off like that , but thats how you DO come off , and Seriously thats just not very cool at all .

Contact me in about 2 years, I'm finishing up my NCAA Football eligibility and as long I don't miracously get in the NFL then I'd be up for it. Until then I'll lose my eligibility for competing in any official sports tournament.

You can do a Smoker , theyre Unnoficial and have no w/l Records . You can also just tell me where you are and I can give you goodd school and you can go Challenge them . Lets see how you hold up , neh ? Please , bring Videotape .

I predict more excuses as to why you can talk trash from behind your Keypad without putting up your Dukes coming though . Not much in the way of anything else .

Dude , stop attackign ALL of CHINA . Its really starting to come off as Predjudice . Hell , Im OPENING a SCHOOL and I have trained in CMA MY WHOLE LIFE and Im not even STARTING with any Chinese MA classes . Why ? Because Im not Teaching any of the Classes , and Im taking an Administrative position at first . Im LOOKING to have Sambo and Capoeira as my Base systems here , and not because I think theyre "Better" than anything else , but because I believe in the Instructors that I have coming that they are GOOD MENTORS , and I truly believe that Student > Teacher > Style .


I live in Allentown , PA . Though my school isnt Officially Open yet , any time youre in the Area (perhaps for a Game ?) you feel free to stop by and Ill give you some Free Introductory Lessons in CMA . You obviously have no Idea what its about , or how Similar or DISsimilar it may be to some things you already are Familiar with . Afters if youre lucky , Ill get you laid or somethign .

 

[CrazyK]

No , because they have no MMA PROGRAM . You fail to comprehend how Institutionalised athletics works from a Beaurocratic standpoint . You WANT the universe to be run in a particular way , and its just NOT that way . I WISH you were Correct , but its just not the case .





Actually the Chinese did exactly that . They Did the whole "Muay Thai Versus San Da" series , an they beat the PROFFESSIONAL Thais SOUNDLY with AMATEUR Chinese Kung Fu Fighters . In fact it was WILDLY Popular in China and Thailand and in Japan . They did EXACTLY what you describe , but they DIDNT do it IN MMA . Why ? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MMA PROGRAMME .

Like I said before , just because YOU dont know whats going on in the world dosent mean its never happened .




1) AGAIN , it was NOT "The Brazilians" It was THE GRACIES . You know VERY Little about Brazilian MA , neh ? You DO realise that there are SEVERAL Systems of MA in Brazil - Capoeira , VT , etc , and they ALL Compete WITH BJJ ? That JUDO is the ONLY Government Sponsored MA and THAT is whats taught in Schools like Wrestling is in the US ? BJJ is ONLY promoted by the Machados/Gracies and Zuffa , whos AMERICAN . BJJ was TRULY Cross Promoted IN THE US !

2) What Sport system has TKD Proved itself against ? Im usually the PRO TKD guy , but seriously , yore acting as if TKD fights in a huge number of MMA Matchups with success , and Im unaware of any such events having taken place . Please enlighten me .



How ? By being in the OLYMPICS wich is what China is TRYING TO DO NOW ! Theyre GETTING to the place where TKD is , they never before had the Opportunity . Theyre TRYING to Promote San Shou/San Da events and the systems that support the Ruleset , these thigns take time . Theyre pushing to make it an Olymic Event , not trying to Hide it from anyone ! Thats EXACTLYU what TKD did , but the Chinese dont get the Credit because the IOC hasnt let them get In yet ? Thats NOT the fault of CHINA by ANY means !





where have Pure TKDists sponsored by Korea been Successful in MMA ? I cant count ONE . Least CMA systems have Delucia and Le .






Implying that EVERYONE in ALL OF CHINA is a "Pussy" Smacks of Racism , man . I really hope that you dont mean to come off like that , but thats how you DO come off , and Seriously thats just not very cool at all .




You can do a Smoker , theyre Unnoficial and have no w/l Records . You can also just tell me where you are and I can give you goodd school and you can go Challenge them . Lets see how you hold up , neh ? Please , bring Videotape .

I predict more excuses as to why you can talk trash from behind your Keypad without putting up your Dukes coming though . Not much in the way of anything else .

Dude , stop attackign ALL of CHINA . Its really starting to come off as Predjudice . Hell , Im OPENING a SCHOOL and I have trained in CMA MY WHOLE LIFE and Im not even STARTING with any Chinese MA classes . Why ? Because Im not Teaching any of the Classes , and Im taking an Administrative position at first . Im LOOKING to have Sambo and Capoeira as my Base systems here , and not because I think theyre "Better" than anything else , but because I believe in the Instructors that I have coming that they are GOOD MENTORS , and I truly believe that Student > Teacher > Style .


I live in Allentown , PA . Though my school isnt Officially Open yet , any time youre in the Area (perhaps for a Game ?) you feel free to stop by and Ill give you some Free Introductory Lessons in CMA . You obviously have no Idea what its about , or how Similar or DISsimilar it may be to some things you already are Familiar with . Afters if youre lucky , Ill get you laid or somethign .

Ok well were obviously going to continue disagreeing with eachother, and I feel like were running around in circles here. So here's what I'll do, give me the name of the best Kung Fu Sifu in my area(I'll PM it to you) and I'll go for some classes. I took some Kung Fu some years back but maybe it was by a crappy teacher because it was a lot of flash and not a lot of application in my opinion.

 

[thor19]

I have to say that there are some interesting points in this thread but you guys know that real traditional kung fu is not tought legaly in china. It was outlawed a long time ago by the chinese government in fear that the real masters would kill them all. All the masters ( the ones who were able to) fled to different parts of the world. What is tought in china is gung fu wich is a form of martial arts gymnastics.

Next there are many different types of Kung Fu from southern to northern. External to External and there are a few not many complete systems still out there. Honestly a true kung fun master would destroy a MMA fighter in a real situation.

 

[Kane Fan]

do you have a link to anything about that Mthai vs san da ?

 

[Djimbe]

I have TWO places for you . The First is Old School . They do nothing but Internal CMA , and They do it VERY well . The second does Externam MA , and stuff youre more familiar with . You can ask them WHY they would bother with Tai Chi , Xingyi and Bagua if they already know Muay THai , Boxing and Sub Grappling . You can compare the two through the eyes of a person that sees the Value in Both .

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[Djimbe]

KF :

Looking for something in English , VERY little worth Posting in English on the matter ...

 

[Djimbe]

Im LOATH to post this Link , because the guy that writes this crapola is SO TOTALLY ANTI-Chinese That its PATHETIC , and His OPINION-AS-FACT style of writing is rediculous . Nevertheless , he cant deny the Wins and Losses .

The King of Sanda: A New Era for Kungfu
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6f.htm

Sanda defeats Full-contact Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6g.htm

Sanda defeats "Taekwondo"
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6h.htm

Taiji & the God of Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6j.htm

Sanda crushes US Kickboxing yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6k.htm

Sanda barely defeats Muay Thai
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6m.htm

The Night Muay Thai lost its Supremacy
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6n.htm

Sanda's ambition shattered in Bangkok
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6p.htm

The "Massacre" of Macau
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6s.htm.

Muay Thai shamed on its own Turf
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6x.htm

Sanda pulverized Karate yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6z.htm

World Sanda King 2003
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6za.htm

Sanda VS Kyokushin Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zc.htm

Chinese Sanda continues to dominate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zd.htm

Russian Kyokushin falls prey to Sanda
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zh.mht

Revenge of the Russian Assassin
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zj.mht