Why are there no Chinese fighters in MMA?

[CrazyK]

all kungfu being the same are u kiddin me ? lmao CHINESE ARTS HAVE GROUND SKILLS IN THEM. anyway kungfu is a generic term and really means very skilled person. Boxing is the real term used. You won't see alot of mma from China beacause they are alot of traditionalist and think some sport fighting is hokey. Bruce lee thought tourneys were hokey and said most sifu's during his time agreed. Plus they already fought on roof tops nhb for real even with weapons for rep.

There are no Kung Fu fighters in MMA simply because they will lose, sorely. Just like the TKD and Karate guys before them. The difference is at least they are smart enough not to go out on international TV and get stomped like the TKD guys did at the beggining of MMA. Yes some chinese arts have some ground work, so what, I'd rather cross train in an art solely based on ground fighting like bjj, with a standup/clinch art like muay thai. Why? Because practioners of these systems have time and again proven the worthiness of their arts. Kung fu hasn't and never will, by simply not participating and telling others that their system is too "deadly" to be used in MMA(lol what a croc of shit) or go out and get stomped by bjjers, muay thai, shoot fighters, etc... Which I have seen plenty of. Hell, for as much shit as I give Karate, I've seen many tapes of Karate guys handing it to supposend "Kung Fu" experts. lol.

 

[MikeMartial]

There are no Kung Fu fighters in MMA simply because they will lose, sorely. Just like the TKD and Karate guys before them.

I have to disagree with this statement a bit; yes, there's no "pure" stylists in either TKD or Karate-----but many many succesfull MMA fighters have strong backgrounds in these arts. Think St. Pierre and Loiseau; I think I've stated this before, too.

But the question does remain as to why no MMA's have CMA in their background---if the art is so practical, as the defenders of CMA state, then why hasn't someone taken a CMA and applied it to MMA?

 

[CrazyK]

I have to disagree with this statement a bit; yes, there's no "pure" stylists in either TKD or Karate-----but many many succesfull MMA fighters have strong backgrounds in these arts. Think St. Pierre and Loiseau; I think I've stated this before, too.

But the question does remain as to why no MMA's have CMA in their background---if the art is so practical, as the defenders of CMA state, then why hasn't someone taken a CMA and applied it to MMA?

Yeah that's what I was getting at. I've seen pure muay thai fighters and bjjers do very well in mma. But haven't seen any pure fighters of the styles formentioned do well in mma. A lot of people have backgrounds in them though, I think they have a lot more application then kung fu.

 

[Saintinistic]

I think it goes back to DJimbe talking about rules of engagement within the ring. Some things cant be used to their advantage. Also, I feel that CMA traditionalists are exactly that, and prefer to stay within what they love.

I have a friend who also bouncers down town, and street fights people into unconciousness, yet when having a ring spar in boxing got beaten. He doesnt fight by any rules, and wins that way. He wont fight by any rules but his own, and isnt that all of us "on the street"?

He beat up 2 kung fu brothers with a reputation too, because the rules they engaged with didnt match my mates version of reality. He also took out a Muay Thai fighter from a notorious gym in town because he didnt fight fire with fire. So I guess it comes down to the individuals ability and their perception of the situation.

In a fight based on rules, you have to be better at applying those rules, but if the rules dont fit your style (or no style) then you enter at your own risk or not at all. MMA doesnt match my philosophy so I would get jammed hard in that ring, unless I trained like them.

I can see that being taken out of your comfort zone would be a turn off for most people.

 

[MikeMartial]

I feel that CMA traditionalists are exactly that, and prefer to stay within what they love.

Probably the strongest point as to why there's no CMA in MMA.

In a fight based on rules, you have to be better at applying those rules, but if the rules dont fit your style (or no style) then you enter at your own risk or not at all.

Also an excellent point---if you know the game inside out, then you are at an advantage.

I have a TKD tournament coming up next month, and it's an open invitational; some schools teaching Kung Fu have been invited. In the past, none have shown up, but I hope some do. I think it'd be interesting as hell to spar someone trained in CMA.

 

[Djimbe]

with standing grappling you should be good at avoiding clinch takedowns which can help to keep the fight standing

ANd San Shou/Da rules fighters ARE GOOD at it . So what ? Ive seen Randy Coture taken down before ,Ive seen Hughes taken down , GOOD at it dosent mean PERFECT . See what I mean , you expect PERFECTION from the CMA Fighter , its too high a burden ! Because the INSTANT they study "Groundfighitng" everyone says "THATS NOT KUNG FU !!!" so they cant Evolve , and the ONLY Fighters that are real good are Gvt Sponsored , and they arent going to Risk their "Chinese Pride" by putting them in Matches they KNOW htey cant win with Straight CMA . ANd if the Poor CMA Fighter gewts taken down AT ALL then hes lost on the Ground .

Damned if he does , damned if he dosent .

how can you put a ? mark when I mention strikers doing well in MMA do you even watch MMA? GSP, David Louasioue(sp), RIch Franklin, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Silvia, Chuck Liddel
yah a lot of those guys can roll but they tend to strike on their feet and win that way so what prevents the Chinese from doing the same thing?

Most of them CANT roll . PERIOD . THat means ONE takedown and the fight is pretty much over . Against ppl that Drill Takedowns all day .

so basically your saying the reason there are not Chinese (mainland China) fighters in mixed is cus they are not permitted from the government right?

Im saying that China is NOT the US . Everyone doisent have a Television , a Car , and Money for PPVs Many , if not MOST Martial Artists in China have no CLUE what BJJ OR MMA even ARE yet ! Its not supported by the Government , and The government decides what gets Funding there ! there is like ONE BJJ school in China ! Its a Third World Country , man , its POOR , and its not yet caught up to where you are yet . It may take another Decade or two , as well . Things dont move there like they move here . They just DONT . ANd thats not any kind of "Excuse" , they just dont know about it , so they CANT Care . And evewn the few ppl that DO know about it cant really affoard to do much .

 

[Djimbe]

Yeah that's what I was getting at. I've seen pure muay thai fighters and bjjers do very well in mma. But haven't seen any pure fighters of the styles formentioned do well in mma. A lot of people have backgrounds in them though, I think they have a lot more application then kung fu.

Who ? WHat PURE MT fighter has suceeded in MMA ?

 

[Djimbe]

TO All :

Like I said , its Cultral , nd its taking time .

Oh , an Crazy K :
Carlson Gracie's Respect for Kung Fu caused him toTeam Up with it ! :
http://sfuk.tripod.com/interviews_04/carlson_gracie.html

 

[CrazyK]

Im saying that China is NOT the US . Everyone doisent have a Television , a Car , and Money for PPVs Many , if not MOST Martial Artists in China have no CLUE what BJJ OR MMA even ARE yet ! Its not supported by the Government , and The government decides what gets Funding there ! there is like ONE BJJ school in China ! Its a Third World Country , man , its POOR , and its not yet caught up to where you are yet . It may take another Decade or two , as well . Things dont move there like they move here . They just DONT . ANd thats not any kind of "Excuse" , they just dont know about it , so they CANT Care . And evewn the few ppl that DO know about it cant really affoard to do much .

Actually China is on track to surpass the USA in economic prowess with in the next 10 years. On top of that there are a lot of successful athletes which come out of China, think Yao Ming, basketball is an American sport, yet he was able to reach greatness. I don't see why they would not take an art which is homegrown in their backyard and make it a staple of their pride as a nation if it was so effective. The Koreans did it with Tae Kwon Do, the Brazilians did it with Ju Jitsu(and lets not even get to how poor they are)and they certainly do not have the economic prowess China has. Have you ever even been to China? I have, and to say the least I've seen people much worse off in the slums of Jersey City then I did in Shanghai.

The bottomline is that these "secret deadly arts" are truly bullshit in the end. I can post you 20 videos of Kung fu "experts" getting the crap kicked out of them by other MAist.

EDIT: To add, China is pressing the Olympic Commitee to add Wushu as a an olympic sport. So the support is there. In the end they are not competing in MMA because they are a lot of smoke and mirrors and no real application.

 

[CrazyK]

Who ? WHat PURE MT fighter has suceeded in MMA ?

No more common day ones as no one is pure anything anymore(besides the older Gracies). You have to look at about 10-12 years ago and you'll see that the Muay Thai fighters were the only consistently successful in UFC, and Vale Tudo tourneys besides BJJers. I saw 1 Kung Fu practitioner in all my years of watching mma and he got submitted in about 1 and 1/2 minutes.