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anabolicfreak
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You would think the combination of a history so rich in kung fu and an abundance of dirt cheap steroids would make for some decent fighters? I can't think of one decent fighter from China in Pride or UFC.
Why are there no Chinese fighters in MMA?
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MikeMartial
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Interesting point.
While some, if not most fighters, have an initial base in some traditional MA like Karate (Georges St. Pierre), Judo (Karo Parisian), or TKD (David Loiseau), I can't think of one that listed a CMA in his background.
But I have no doubt Djimbe has the answer.
While some, if not most fighters, have an initial base in some traditional MA like Karate (Georges St. Pierre), Judo (Karo Parisian), or TKD (David Loiseau), I can't think of one that listed a CMA in his background.
But I have no doubt Djimbe has the answer.
MikeMartial
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I actually thought the question was why there isn't any CMA in MMA; but after re-reading the first post, I guess he's asking about nationality.
Don't know why there are no Chinese fighters in MMA.
Djimbe
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Why Should anyone from CMA EVER enter any MMA Event ? The rules are skewed Twards Grappling . Youre not allowed Smlll Jointwork , or petty much any acess to any seriously dangerous stiking points with Intent .
In fact , You shouldt be . Those things ARENT "Sporting" in ANY way , theyre intended to Maim and Kill the Opponent .
What does that leave you with ? The rules of a Submission Match , and Striking with Closed Fists , for the most part , wich Submision specialists easily excel at .
Look at Wing Chuns second Form . Its ALL about how to set up and deliver finger Jabbing to the eyes/throat/temples/etc . You have stupid ppl making comments like "Oh , Too Deadly " then everyone laughs . Thats spposed to be some kind of All-Negating thing somehow But seriously SHOULDNT MAists be practicing Methods with wich to DROP their Opponents that DONT take 8 hours of Practices per day every day from Jr high Through College ? (Like , say , Wrestling) The fact is that Wing Chun has That form wich is Largely Illegal , MUCH in the way of Small Joint Manipulation , wuch is mostly Illegal in MMA ,. and TWO Weaponsforms out of six total . So basically you can throw 50-60% of the Wing Chun system away as far as MMA goes That also means that you can take ANY WIng Chun man and cut his Experience/Training time and cutr IT in half , because against a BJJ guy , for whom pretty much ALL of whose Techs are legal in MMA hes wasted half the time hes spent trainging for the "Real World" as far as the Matchup is concerned , and he didnt spend the same time/week in the FIRST PLACE ! So your "Ten Years Wing chun Expert" becomes BASICALY a "Four Year Wing Chun journeyman" as far s the Ring goes , and Truly a EAMAist that trains Electively trains about 1/5th the tiome a Sportive guy like a Wrestler or Boxer does . They DONT get scolarships , or Time Off , or anykind of Support for Training they have to do it AFTER Work , Wives , Homework and hte Kids come in . + thats IF they have the Energy left over
The fact is that MANY of the STAPLE Techniques in MAY styles that are ONLY for Self Defense ARE there just and ONLY To Maim an Opponent or worse . Heck , lets take Escrima as a whole ! The system TRAINS with sticks , but do Female Escrimadors carry around wooden shafts in their Purses ? No . They carry Tactical Folders . IF called to use teir system is DEFINATELY "Too Deadly For The Ring" and it SHOUL
be ! ALL Self Sefebnse systems ort systems created for war Should be .
Next :
Making one guy out to be a Hero for a whole Country .
No "Kung Fu Guy" should be held up to the level o "Great Chinese Hope" . The fact is that on theLower Levels there ARE CMAists that hve competed agaoinst their Peers and won in MMA events . but really no one is oing to want o Perform under that kind of Pressure . Kids on the Internet PUT said guy in a "Lose-Lose" situation . If he wins , well , he didnt Beat Royce in 94 , so so what ? And if he loses then its not because the other guy was stronger of Faster or Trained more hours , its because of the STYLE . Right .
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Time invested in Each System .
MOST ppl that Practice "Kung Fu" - in fact MOST East Asian Martial Arts - do so for a specific reason :
Because they are the kind of person most likeley to get beaten up .
They also tend to train about 6-8 hours a week at BEST .
Your average COMPEDITIVE Judoka , Boxer , or Wrestler trains that in a day . There are also FAR MORE of the latter , because the Organizations have FAR more $ behind them . Wrestling is basically subsidised bthe US Govenrment for all intents and purposes in this country . And most WRESTLERS are HAND PICKERD because their Coach KNOWS they have "The Stuff" to e a 135lb Bully or whatever . Theyre not selecting the king of the Quilting club ! so Genetic Predisposition also plays a role .
You find me a "Style Versus Style" video between two ppl from different systems that have the EXACT same Training Hours in , and NO Rules and itl be a FAR different Outcome for the "Kung Fu" guys . Usualy what you see is a Pro or very Nearly Pro fighter against whats basically a hobbyist .
Next :
The Rules make the Matchups .
Why arent Wrestlers out there destroying ppl in San Shou Matches after learning a little Boxing ? Because the Rules dont favour their system . Lets face it , the current MMA rulesets and Fighting environments check MUCH of what Striking systems do , but very very little of what Grappling systems do . I mean , guys arent even allowed to hold onto the Cage to stop a Takedown ! How friggin realistic is that ? Ive SEEN ppl from Muay Thai and whatnot with Wrestling BGs try to do San Shou and htey get Clobbered . They arent trained for the Ruleset though they THINK they are . they leave in Stretchers more often than not . even against ppl with less Training than they have total .
So what happens ? the ppl interested in these Matches and being in them , and being SUCCESSFUL in them , train in the systems that they were invented for , Mainly BJJ . ANd Until I can bring my Staff and my Butterfly Swords in the Ring with me and CUT a MoFo with them , My training time WILL be "Too Deadly For The Ring" . You Yuck it up all you like , until Im Prepared for the Blade that you arent .
In fact , You shouldt be . Those things ARENT "Sporting" in ANY way , theyre intended to Maim and Kill the Opponent .
What does that leave you with ? The rules of a Submission Match , and Striking with Closed Fists , for the most part , wich Submision specialists easily excel at .
Look at Wing Chuns second Form . Its ALL about how to set up and deliver finger Jabbing to the eyes/throat/temples/etc . You have stupid ppl making comments like "Oh , Too Deadly " then everyone laughs . Thats spposed to be some kind of All-Negating thing somehow But seriously SHOULDNT MAists be practicing Methods with wich to DROP their Opponents that DONT take 8 hours of Practices per day every day from Jr high Through College ? (Like , say , Wrestling) The fact is that Wing Chun has That form wich is Largely Illegal , MUCH in the way of Small Joint Manipulation , wuch is mostly Illegal in MMA ,. and TWO Weaponsforms out of six total . So basically you can throw 50-60% of the Wing Chun system away as far as MMA goes That also means that you can take ANY WIng Chun man and cut his Experience/Training time and cutr IT in half , because against a BJJ guy , for whom pretty much ALL of whose Techs are legal in MMA hes wasted half the time hes spent trainging for the "Real World" as far as the Matchup is concerned , and he didnt spend the same time/week in the FIRST PLACE ! So your "Ten Years Wing chun Expert" becomes BASICALY a "Four Year Wing Chun journeyman" as far s the Ring goes , and Truly a EAMAist that trains Electively trains about 1/5th the tiome a Sportive guy like a Wrestler or Boxer does . They DONT get scolarships , or Time Off , or anykind of Support for Training they have to do it AFTER Work , Wives , Homework and hte Kids come in . + thats IF they have the Energy left over
The fact is that MANY of the STAPLE Techniques in MAY styles that are ONLY for Self Defense ARE there just and ONLY To Maim an Opponent or worse . Heck , lets take Escrima as a whole ! The system TRAINS with sticks , but do Female Escrimadors carry around wooden shafts in their Purses ? No . They carry Tactical Folders . IF called to use teir system is DEFINATELY "Too Deadly For The Ring" and it SHOUL
be ! ALL Self Sefebnse systems ort systems created for war Should be .Next :
Making one guy out to be a Hero for a whole Country .
No "Kung Fu Guy" should be held up to the level o "Great Chinese Hope" . The fact is that on theLower Levels there ARE CMAists that hve competed agaoinst their Peers and won in MMA events . but really no one is oing to want o Perform under that kind of Pressure . Kids on the Internet PUT said guy in a "Lose-Lose" situation . If he wins , well , he didnt Beat Royce in 94 , so so what ? And if he loses then its not because the other guy was stronger of Faster or Trained more hours , its because of the STYLE . Right .
ext :
Time invested in Each System .
MOST ppl that Practice "Kung Fu" - in fact MOST East Asian Martial Arts - do so for a specific reason :
Because they are the kind of person most likeley to get beaten up .
They also tend to train about 6-8 hours a week at BEST .
Your average COMPEDITIVE Judoka , Boxer , or Wrestler trains that in a day . There are also FAR MORE of the latter , because the Organizations have FAR more $ behind them . Wrestling is basically subsidised bthe US Govenrment for all intents and purposes in this country . And most WRESTLERS are HAND PICKERD because their Coach KNOWS they have "The Stuff" to e a 135lb Bully or whatever . Theyre not selecting the king of the Quilting club ! so Genetic Predisposition also plays a role .
You find me a "Style Versus Style" video between two ppl from different systems that have the EXACT same Training Hours in , and NO Rules and itl be a FAR different Outcome for the "Kung Fu" guys . Usualy what you see is a Pro or very Nearly Pro fighter against whats basically a hobbyist .
Next :
The Rules make the Matchups .
Why arent Wrestlers out there destroying ppl in San Shou Matches after learning a little Boxing ? Because the Rules dont favour their system . Lets face it , the current MMA rulesets and Fighting environments check MUCH of what Striking systems do , but very very little of what Grappling systems do . I mean , guys arent even allowed to hold onto the Cage to stop a Takedown ! How friggin realistic is that ? Ive SEEN ppl from Muay Thai and whatnot with Wrestling BGs try to do San Shou and htey get Clobbered . They arent trained for the Ruleset though they THINK they are . they leave in Stretchers more often than not . even against ppl with less Training than they have total .
So what happens ? the ppl interested in these Matches and being in them , and being SUCCESSFUL in them , train in the systems that they were invented for , Mainly BJJ . ANd Until I can bring my Staff and my Butterfly Swords in the Ring with me and CUT a MoFo with them , My training time WILL be "Too Deadly For The Ring" . You Yuck it up all you like , until Im Prepared for the Blade that you arent .
ok so no Chinese art is focused on grappling?
and what about all the strikers doing well in mixed?
and your claim that the Kung Fu guys dont train enough is bs
in a country of a billion someone must train enough to equal a pro
and you act like everyone in the UFC is banging away for eight hours a day
more bs, that's the top level guys making enough money that they don't need a regular job, why arn't CMA guys fighting in the midcard levels then?
and as far as throwing out parts of training, it's not like boxing and wrestling are all 100% useable in the cage
a lot of boxings defence is just plain gone
you can't really hide behind 4oz gloves and in wrestling the get off your back is a great ticket to getting choked
and what about all the strikers doing well in mixed?
and your claim that the Kung Fu guys dont train enough is bs
in a country of a billion someone must train enough to equal a pro
and you act like everyone in the UFC is banging away for eight hours a day
more bs, that's the top level guys making enough money that they don't need a regular job, why arn't CMA guys fighting in the midcard levels then?
and as far as throwing out parts of training, it's not like boxing and wrestling are all 100% useable in the cage
a lot of boxings defence is just plain gone
you can't really hide behind 4oz gloves and in wrestling the get off your back is a great ticket to getting choked
CrazyK
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I agree. 8 hours a day of training would be counter productive in my eyes, you'll easily become over trained and burnt out. Physically and mentally.Kane Fan said:
On another note, I've been browsing this forum a while and Djimbe consistently defends Kung Fu blindly. It is not all that applicable to the real world, very old system of doing things when there are newer much more advanced systems of self defense such as Krav Maga.
Djimbe
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Kane Fan said:
Grappling, yes , STANDING Grappling . Not GROUNDFIGHTING , no . It never ervolve there because MA was always the tool of WAR until the age of imperialism , this means way into the 1800s , going to the ground pretty much = death on a Battlefield , for various reasons , and tactics that keep you there are just Suicide .
Im sorry ?
I was refering to Chinese MAists in the states and the like .
Theres no MMA in China , man . I honestly think that theres ONE BJJ school in ALL of the PRC . Its a Communist Goivernment , and they do the sports the state TELL them to . You do San Shou/Wushu , you do Judo , you do Shuaijiao i certain places , or you shut the hell up .
And LIKE it .
Because CMA guys have their OWN Proving Ground (San SHou/San Da) and culture to Support it . With Rules Relative to judge the skills the Way they train . And SOME CMA ppl DO do middlingly well in MMA , Ive seen Local events won by CMA ppl and a guy from Northern Lights Tai Chi puts his guys into Grappling competitions and they meadal .
okaaaayyy , 90+ % .
Djimbe
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CrazyK said:
and YET , ppl with real jobs work 10+ hour days their entire lives and get Immensely strong doing so .
I dont do aythign Blindly . And I Talk about Boxing , Capoeira , Muay thai ... I just dont let pl that know nothing about what they are spaking dump all over somethign that has Value .
This implies that you think that "All Kung Fu Is he Same" wich it very well is NOT ! WICH system is it thats "Too old a way of doing things" , and why ? Oh , you dont know what yore talking about , do you ? Can you name 15 Kung Fu systems and tell me how they do things differently ? Do you know wich systems have Forms and wich dont ?
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! you pulled the RBSD Tard Card ! OMG , not JUST RBSD , but SRT RBSD ! Krav Maga ! If guys that are holding Uzis use it it MUST work , right ? ANd I LOVE the old "Argument To The New" if its newer it MUST be BETTER , right ?
Im going to give you a free lesson :
Gravity hasnt Changed .
Punching hasnt Changed
Kicking hasnt Changed
Humans havent Evolved to a different Bodytype , still the same Limbs , Torso , Joints , & head .
Djimbe said:
with standing grappling you should be good at avoiding clinch takedowns which can help to keep the fight standing
how can you put a ? mark when I mention strikers doing well in MMA do you even watch MMA? GSP, David Louasioue(sp), RIch Franklin, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Silvia, Chuck Liddel
yah a lot of those guys can roll but they tend to strike on their feet and win that way so what prevents the Chinese from doing the same thing?
so basically your saying the reason there are not Chinese (mainland China) fighters in mixed is cus they are not permitted from the government right?
anabolicfreak
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I didnt think anyone still bought that "mystical, death touch, kung fu" stuff anymore. Watch the Gracie in Action tapes. They fight plenty of Kung Fu experts with absolutely no rules and smoke all of them. I've trained Wing Chun before and its a great art. Centerline theory is very applicable in all aspects of MA and MMA.
Remember, BOTH fighters in MMA have to adhere to the rules. The kung fu fighter isnt the only one with his hands tied.
Remember, BOTH fighters in MMA have to adhere to the rules. The kung fu fighter isnt the only one with his hands tied.
all kungfu being the same are u kiddin me ? lmao CHINESE ARTS HAVE GROUND SKILLS IN THEM. anyway kungfu is a generic term and really means very skilled person. Boxing is the real term used. You won't see alot of mma from China beacause they are alot of traditionalist and think some sport fighting is hokey. Bruce lee thought tourneys were hokey and said most sifu's during his time agreed. Plus they already fought on roof tops nhb for real even with weapons for rep.
CrazyK
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There are no Kung Fu fighters in MMA simply because they will lose, sorely. Just like the TKD and Karate guys before them. The difference is at least they are smart enough not to go out on international TV and get stomped like the TKD guys did at the beggining of MMA. Yes some chinese arts have some ground work, so what, I'd rather cross train in an art solely based on ground fighting like bjj, with a standup/clinch art like muay thai. Why? Because practioners of these systems have time and again proven the worthiness of their arts. Kung fu hasn't and never will, by simply not participating and telling others that their system is too "deadly" to be used in MMA(lol what a croc of shit) or go out and get stomped by bjjers, muay thai, shoot fighters, etc... Which I have seen plenty of. Hell, for as much shit as I give Karate, I've seen many tapes of Karate guys handing it to supposend "Kung Fu" experts. lol.BOSSDAWG said:
MikeMartial
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CrazyK said:
I have to disagree with this statement a bit; yes, there's no "pure" stylists in either TKD or Karate-----but many many succesfull MMA fighters have strong backgrounds in these arts. Think St. Pierre and Loiseau; I think I've stated this before, too.
But the question does remain as to why no MMA's have CMA in their background---if the art is so practical, as the defenders of CMA state, then why hasn't someone taken a CMA and applied it to MMA?
CrazyK
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Yeah that's what I was getting at. I've seen pure muay thai fighters and bjjers do very well in mma. But haven't seen any pure fighters of the styles formentioned do well in mma. A lot of people have backgrounds in them though, I think they have a lot more application then kung fu.MikeMartial said:
Saintinistic
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I think it goes back to DJimbe talking about rules of engagement within the ring. Some things cant be used to their advantage. Also, I feel that CMA traditionalists are exactly that, and prefer to stay within what they love.
I have a friend who also bouncers down town, and street fights people into unconciousness, yet when having a ring spar in boxing got beaten. He doesnt fight by any rules, and wins that way. He wont fight by any rules but his own, and isnt that all of us "on the street"?
He beat up 2 kung fu brothers with a reputation too, because the rules they engaged with didnt match my mates version of reality. He also took out a Muay Thai fighter from a notorious gym in town because he didnt fight fire with fire. So I guess it comes down to the individuals ability and their perception of the situation.
In a fight based on rules, you have to be better at applying those rules, but if the rules dont fit your style (or no style) then you enter at your own risk or not at all. MMA doesnt match my philosophy so I would get jammed hard in that ring, unless I trained like them.
I can see that being taken out of your comfort zone would be a turn off for most people.
I have a friend who also bouncers down town, and street fights people into unconciousness, yet when having a ring spar in boxing got beaten. He doesnt fight by any rules, and wins that way. He wont fight by any rules but his own, and isnt that all of us "on the street"?
He beat up 2 kung fu brothers with a reputation too, because the rules they engaged with didnt match my mates version of reality. He also took out a Muay Thai fighter from a notorious gym in town because he didnt fight fire with fire. So I guess it comes down to the individuals ability and their perception of the situation.
In a fight based on rules, you have to be better at applying those rules, but if the rules dont fit your style (or no style) then you enter at your own risk or not at all. MMA doesnt match my philosophy so I would get jammed hard in that ring, unless I trained like them.
I can see that being taken out of your comfort zone would be a turn off for most people.
MikeMartial
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Saintinistic said:
Probably the strongest point as to why there's no CMA in MMA.
Saintinistic said:
Also an excellent point---if you know the game inside out, then you are at an advantage.
I have a TKD tournament coming up next month, and it's an open invitational; some schools teaching Kung Fu have been invited. In the past, none have shown up, but I hope some do. I think it'd be interesting as hell to spar someone trained in CMA.
Djimbe
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Kane Fan said:
ANd San Shou/Da rules fighters ARE GOOD at it . So what ? Ive seen Randy Coture taken down before ,Ive seen Hughes taken down , GOOD at it dosent mean PERFECT . See what I mean , you expect PERFECTION from the CMA Fighter , its too high a burden ! Because the INSTANT they study "Groundfighitng" everyone says "THATS NOT KUNG FU !!!" so they cant Evolve , and the ONLY Fighters that are real good are Gvt Sponsored , and they arent going to Risk their "Chinese Pride" by putting them in Matches they KNOW htey cant win with Straight CMA . ANd if the Poor CMA Fighter gewts taken down AT ALL then hes lost on the Ground .
Damned if he does , damned if he dosent .
Most of them CANT roll . PERIOD . THat means ONE takedown and the fight is pretty much over . Against ppl that Drill Takedowns all day .
Im saying that China is NOT the US . Everyone doisent have a Television , a Car , and Money for PPVs Many , if not MOST Martial Artists in China have no CLUE what BJJ OR MMA even ARE yet ! Its not supported by the Government , and The government decides what gets Funding there ! there is like ONE BJJ school in China ! Its a Third World Country , man , its POOR , and its not yet caught up to where you are yet . It may take another Decade or two , as well . Things dont move there like they move here . They just DONT . ANd thats not any kind of "Excuse" , they just dont know about it , so they CANT Care . And evewn the few ppl that DO know about it cant really affoard to do much .
Djimbe
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TO All :
Like I said , its Cultral , nd its taking time .
Oh , an Crazy K :
Carlson Gracie's Respect for Kung Fu caused him toTeam Up with it ! :
http://sfuk.tripod.com/interviews_04/carlson_gracie.html
Like I said , its Cultral , nd its taking time .
Oh , an Crazy K :
Carlson Gracie's Respect for Kung Fu caused him toTeam Up with it ! :
http://sfuk.tripod.com/interviews_04/carlson_gracie.html
CrazyK
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Actually China is on track to surpass the USA in economic prowess with in the next 10 years. On top of that there are a lot of successful athletes which come out of China, think Yao Ming, basketball is an American sport, yet he was able to reach greatness. I don't see why they would not take an art which is homegrown in their backyard and make it a staple of their pride as a nation if it was so effective. The Koreans did it with Tae Kwon Do, the Brazilians did it with Ju Jitsu(and lets not even get to how poor they are)and they certainly do not have the economic prowess China has. Have you ever even been to China? I have, and to say the least I've seen people much worse off in the slums of Jersey City then I did in Shanghai.Djimbe said:
The bottomline is that these "secret deadly arts" are truly bullshit in the end. I can post you 20 videos of Kung fu "experts" getting the crap kicked out of them by other MAist.
EDIT: To add, China is pressing the Olympic Commitee to add Wushu as a an olympic sport. So the support is there. In the end they are not competing in MMA because they are a lot of smoke and mirrors and no real application.
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CrazyK
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No more common day ones as no one is pure anything anymore(besides the older Gracies). You have to look at about 10-12 years ago and you'll see that the Muay Thai fighters were the only consistently successful in UFC, and Vale Tudo tourneys besides BJJers. I saw 1 Kung Fu practitioner in all my years of watching mma and he got submitted in about 1 and 1/2 minutes.Djimbe said:
Djimbe
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CrazyK said:
There are no "Secret Deadly Arts" and I have never argued that there were . And Russia was an "Economic Superpower" in the eighties , while her citizenry stood in day-long lines for Bread and Toilet Paper . YES , I HAVE been to China , and not JUST to the bic cities . THE PEOPLE THERE ARE POOR - FAR worse off than in ANY American city , and on the whole worse off then most of Brazil , wich Ive ALSO been to .
Oh , and "The Brazilians" didnt do ANYTHIGN , one RICH FAMILY did . THEY developed hte Sport and Funded it , not Brazil .
OI , and when has Taekwondo been Successful in MMA ?
Your "Arguments" dont fit reality .
I said that there is no support FOR MMA - not no support for Wushu .
Please enter a San Shou Rules tourney . Tell me where you live and Ill direct you . Bring your Skills . If there is no application you should clean uop against your same level and weright Class , no ? Please take Video for us all . Thank you .
Djimbe
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CrazyK said:
No , because they have no MMA PROGRAM . You fail to comprehend how Institutionalised athletics works from a Beaurocratic standpoint . You WANT the universe to be run in a particular way , and its just NOT that way . I WISH you were Correct , but its just not the case .
Actually the Chinese did exactly that . They Did the whole "Muay Thai Versus San Da" series , an they beat the PROFFESSIONAL Thais SOUNDLY with AMATEUR Chinese Kung Fu Fighters . In fact it was WILDLY Popular in China and Thailand and in Japan . They did EXACTLY what you describe , but they DIDNT do it IN MMA . Why ? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MMA PROGRAMME .
Like I said before , just because YOU dont know whats going on in the world dosent mean its never happened .
1) AGAIN , it was NOT "The Brazilians" It was THE GRACIES . You know VERY Little about Brazilian MA , neh ? You DO realise that there are SEVERAL Systems of MA in Brazil - Capoeira , VT , etc , and they ALL Compete WITH BJJ ? That JUDO is the ONLY Government Sponsored MA and THAT is whats taught in Schools like Wrestling is in the US ? BJJ is ONLY promoted by the Machados/Gracies and Zuffa , whos AMERICAN . BJJ was TRULY Cross Promoted IN THE US !
2) What Sport system has TKD Proved itself against ? Im usually the PRO TKD guy , but seriously , yore acting as if TKD fights in a huge number of MMA Matchups with success , and Im unaware of any such events having taken place . Please enlighten me .
How ? By being in the OLYMPICS wich is what China is TRYING TO DO NOW ! Theyre GETTING to the place where TKD is , they never before had the Opportunity . Theyre TRYING to Promote San Shou/San Da events and the systems that support the Ruleset , these thigns take time . Theyre pushing to make it an Olymic Event , not trying to Hide it from anyone ! Thats EXACTLYU what TKD did , but the Chinese dont get the Credit because the IOC hasnt let them get In yet ? Thats NOT the fault of CHINA by ANY means !
where have Pure TKDists sponsored by Korea been Successful in MMA ? I cant count ONE . Least CMA systems have Delucia and Le .
Implying that EVERYONE in ALL OF CHINA is a "Pussy" Smacks of Racism , man . I really hope that you dont mean to come off like that , but thats how you DO come off , and Seriously thats just not very cool at all .
You can do a Smoker , theyre Unnoficial and have no w/l Records . You can also just tell me where you are and I can give you goodd school and you can go Challenge them . Lets see how you hold up , neh ? Please , bring Videotape .
I predict more excuses as to why you can talk trash from behind your Keypad without putting up your Dukes coming though . Not much in the way of anything else .
Dude , stop attackign ALL of CHINA . Its really starting to come off as Predjudice . Hell , Im OPENING a SCHOOL and I have trained in CMA MY WHOLE LIFE and Im not even STARTING with any Chinese MA classes . Why ? Because Im not Teaching any of the Classes , and Im taking an Administrative position at first . Im LOOKING to have Sambo and Capoeira as my Base systems here , and not because I think theyre "Better" than anything else , but because I believe in the Instructors that I have coming that they are GOOD MENTORS , and I truly believe that Student > Teacher > Style .
I live in Allentown , PA . Though my school isnt Officially Open yet , any time youre in the Area (perhaps for a Game ?) you feel free to stop by and Ill give you some Free Introductory Lessons in CMA . You obviously have no Idea what its about , or how Similar or DISsimilar it may be to some things you already are Familiar with . Afters if youre lucky , Ill get you laid or somethign .
CrazyK
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Ok well were obviously going to continue disagreeing with eachother, and I feel like were running around in circles here. So here's what I'll do, give me the name of the best Kung Fu Sifu in my area(I'll PM it to you) and I'll go for some classes. I took some Kung Fu some years back but maybe it was by a crappy teacher because it was a lot of flash and not a lot of application in my opinion.Djimbe said:
I have to say that there are some interesting points in this thread but you guys know that real traditional kung fu is not tought legaly in china. It was outlawed a long time ago by the chinese government in fear that the real masters would kill them all. All the masters ( the ones who were able to) fled to different parts of the world. What is tought in china is gung fu wich is a form of martial arts gymnastics.
Next there are many different types of Kung Fu from southern to northern. External to External and there are a few not many complete systems still out there. Honestly a true kung fun master would destroy a MMA fighter in a real situation.
Next there are many different types of Kung Fu from southern to northern. External to External and there are a few not many complete systems still out there. Honestly a true kung fun master would destroy a MMA fighter in a real situation.
Djimbe
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I have TWO places for you . The First is Old School . They do nothing but Internal CMA , and They do it VERY well . The second does Externam MA , and stuff youre more familiar with . You can ask them WHY they would bother with Tai Chi , Xingyi and Bagua if they already know Muay THai , Boxing and Sub Grappling . You can compare the two through the eyes of a person that sees the Value in Both .
Gregory Fong
315 N.W. Davis
Portland, OR 97210
(503) 233-9070
[email protected]
http://i-chuan.net/
Yang Tai Chi
Chen Tai Chi
Hsing I Chuan
I Chuan
http://www.nwfighting.com/
Open 6 days a week , call for schedule .
Gregory Fong
315 N.W. Davis
Portland, OR 97210
(503) 233-9070
[email protected]
http://i-chuan.net/
Yang Tai Chi
Chen Tai Chi
Hsing I Chuan
I Chuan
http://www.nwfighting.com/
Open 6 days a week , call for schedule .
Djimbe
New member
Im LOATH to post this Link , because the guy that writes this crapola is SO TOTALLY ANTI-Chinese That its PATHETIC , and His OPINION-AS-FACT style of writing is rediculous . Nevertheless , he cant deny the Wins and Losses .
The King of Sanda: A New Era for Kungfu
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6f.htm
Sanda defeats Full-contact Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6g.htm
Sanda defeats "Taekwondo"
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6h.htm
Taiji & the God of Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6j.htm
Sanda crushes US Kickboxing yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6k.htm
Sanda barely defeats Muay Thai
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6m.htm
The Night Muay Thai lost its Supremacy
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6n.htm
Sanda's ambition shattered in Bangkok
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6p.htm
The "Massacre" of Macau
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6s.htm.
Muay Thai shamed on its own Turf
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6x.htm
Sanda pulverized Karate yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6z.htm
World Sanda King 2003
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6za.htm
Sanda VS Kyokushin Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zc.htm
Chinese Sanda continues to dominate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zd.htm
Russian Kyokushin falls prey to Sanda
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zh.mht
Revenge of the Russian Assassin
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zj.mht
The King of Sanda: A New Era for Kungfu
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6f.htm
Sanda defeats Full-contact Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6g.htm
Sanda defeats "Taekwondo"
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6h.htm
Taiji & the God of Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6j.htm
Sanda crushes US Kickboxing yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6k.htm
Sanda barely defeats Muay Thai
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6m.htm
The Night Muay Thai lost its Supremacy
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6n.htm
Sanda's ambition shattered in Bangkok
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6p.htm
The "Massacre" of Macau
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6s.htm.
Muay Thai shamed on its own Turf
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6x.htm
Sanda pulverized Karate yet again
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6z.htm
World Sanda King 2003
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6za.htm
Sanda VS Kyokushin Karate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zc.htm
Chinese Sanda continues to dominate
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zd.htm
Russian Kyokushin falls prey to Sanda
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zh.mht
Revenge of the Russian Assassin
http://www.crane.50megs.com/index6zj.mht
Djimbe
New member
well , like I said , the author is , well , kind of dumb , and "the San Da Sidekick" is actually a number of different lateral kicks from totally different CMAs . He just Lumps them all together because its all his "MT = ALL !!!!" brain can comprehend that they ARENT Round Kicks , Knees , or Spin kicks . Dosent matter if the Mechanicks are fidderent , wether or not the kick in question is Chambered , or Stomping , or whatever ... dosent matter if its from Tai Chi , Mantis or Long Fist , Low Medium or High .
Djimbe
New member
I love throwing it after my leg is already Extended , like from a Round Kick , or after a Pushkick ! If you Practice you can get it down FAST (like Cant-See-It-Coming fast) and you can also use the Extension of the leg to take your opponents Ground , or even at times get behind them !
Djimbe
New member
The results of the entire series so far (Beofre most of these articles) has been;
September 7, 2002
China 6/Thailand 1
May 4, 2002
China 6/Thailand 1
December 10 ,2001
Thailand 5/China 2
December 5, 2001
Thailand 4/China 1
September 23, 2001
China 5/Thailand 2
September 8, 2001
China 4/Thailand 3
That means
China : 24
Thailand : 16
Up through sept of 2002 . So please stop about ppl not standing up to the World in China . they do it just dandy .
US Kickboxing Team Competes in Mainland China
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/usvschina.html
San Shou vs. Boxing
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/boxing.html
San Shou vs. Full Contact Karate July 3, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/karate.html
San Shou vs. Taekwondo July 24, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/taekwondo.html
Sanda vs. Muay Thai: Part 1 September 8, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/sandathai.html
Sanda vs. Muay Thai: Part 2 September 23, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/chinathai2.html
San Da defeats Muay Thai by 6 to 1 May 4, 2002
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/macau.html
SHOOTBOXING "S-cup 2002"
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/scup.html
Official Results: 2002 San Shou World Cup
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/worldcupresults.html
San Da vs. Muay Thai September 7, 2002
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/mtvssd.html
San Da vs. Muay Thai August 8, 2003
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/svtnew.html
14th Asian Games - San Shou competition
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/asiangames.html
US IKF Vs China
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/counterpoint.html
September 7, 2002
China 6/Thailand 1
May 4, 2002
China 6/Thailand 1
December 10 ,2001
Thailand 5/China 2
December 5, 2001
Thailand 4/China 1
September 23, 2001
China 5/Thailand 2
September 8, 2001
China 4/Thailand 3
That means
China : 24
Thailand : 16
Up through sept of 2002 . So please stop about ppl not standing up to the World in China . they do it just dandy .
US Kickboxing Team Competes in Mainland China
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/usvschina.html
San Shou vs. Boxing
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/boxing.html
San Shou vs. Full Contact Karate July 3, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/karate.html
San Shou vs. Taekwondo July 24, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/taekwondo.html
Sanda vs. Muay Thai: Part 1 September 8, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/sandathai.html
Sanda vs. Muay Thai: Part 2 September 23, 2001
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/chinathai2.html
San Da defeats Muay Thai by 6 to 1 May 4, 2002
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/macau.html
SHOOTBOXING "S-cup 2002"
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/scup.html
Official Results: 2002 San Shou World Cup
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/worldcupresults.html
San Da vs. Muay Thai September 7, 2002
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/mtvssd.html
San Da vs. Muay Thai August 8, 2003
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/svtnew.html
14th Asian Games - San Shou competition
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/asiangames.html
US IKF Vs China
http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/kingofsanda/counterpoint.html
Djimbe
New member
yeah , but the beauty thing about it is that it really dosent HAVE to work , you just have to give the other guy somethign to Thwart for a Split Second while youre pulling your leg back . Him Maintaining his balance is usu enough time to get the Kick off . IF it works , you know , BONUS , but you werent really relying on it , it was a Distraction .
yellowperil
New member
Why no CMA or Chinks in MMA?
Because they dont' know how to fight on the ground.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7944437368123635865&q=pridefc
Look what happens when a 400lbs Kungfu Master gets owned by a BJJ brown belt... at the time, Luis is a black now.
Because they dont' know how to fight on the ground.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7944437368123635865&q=pridefc
Look what happens when a 400lbs Kungfu Master gets owned by a BJJ brown belt... at the time, Luis is a black now.
Saintinistic
New member
So what would happen to the BJJ dude if he had to fight Kung Fu only? any theories yellowperil?
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