why are prohormones considered "worse"

[ryno9000]

So I have a buddy who is using 4-AD or something along those lines, and he knows I am on gear. I started saying how prohormones are so much worse for you than actual gear, and he asked me to provide evidence and I realized I didn't actually know the answer. What are the reasons prohormones are considered to be so bad?

 

[hassinba]

breasts

 

[mr.nitro]

more sides, less gains.

 

[airsmith2k]

did u ever give ur dog juice yet?

 

[bigdofba]

You have to consumerprohormones orally. They pass through the liver and it's harder on your body. Orals are always worse.

Prohormones are usually trying to act as steroids but they are altered so that they can be deemed legal. Most injectable steroids aren't as bad, especially testosterone.

 

[Ross]

Prohormones such as the original 1-AD and 4-AD, as well as the new "designer steroids" such as Halodrol, Superdrol, and Epistane, are no "better" or "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids such as Dianabol and Deca that are available on the pharmaceutical/underground market.

However, they are frequently referred to as "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids because they are often times LESS EFFECTIVE, but still produce some of the very same side-effects. Like 19-Norandro for instance, which is highly progestational and severely suppressive of the HPTA, while being significantly LESS effective than it's parent hormone, Nandrolone(Deca).

It should be noted however, that the new designer steroids such as Superdrol and Epistane are actually just as effective as other oral steroids such as Dianabol, Winstrol, or Anavar.

 

[Varga]

You can argue minor points of difference here and there about pro-hromons and regular steroids but in the end they are very similar.
Orals are orals that's the bottom line

 

[Nelson Montana]

Prohormones such as the original 1-AD and 4-AD, as well as the new "designer steroids" such as Halodrol, Superdrol, and Epistane, are no "better" or "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids such as Dianabol and Deca that are available on the pharmaceutical/underground market.

However, they are frequently referred to as "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids because they are often times LESS EFFECTIVE, but still produce some of the very same side-effects. Like 19-Norandro for instance, which is highly progestational and severely suppressive of the HPTA, while being significantly LESS effective than it's parent hormone, Nandrolone(Deca).

It should be noted however, that the new designer steroids such as Superdrol and Epistane are actually just as effective as other oral steroids such as Dianabol, Winstrol, or Anavar.

The fact that they're less effective with the same sides is what makes them worse.

Are you serious when you say that Superdrol is as effective as dianabol? Tell me you're not serious.

 

[Ross]

The fact that they're less effective with the same sides is what makes them worse.

Are you serious when you say that Superdrol is as effective as dianabol? Tell me you're not serious.

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.

Have you even used Superdrol, Epistane, Halodrol, or Pheraplex?

Superdrol is an ACTIVE steroid, and a powerful one at that! Superdrol is MORE ANDROGENIC and MORE ANABOLIC than Dianabol. Superdrol is an analogue of ANADROL.

Superdrol(2a-17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one) is a highly anabolic and highly androgenic steroid that can be used for both bulking and cutting. Superdrol is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien.

However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the SWEET spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron.

Superbol combines the characteristics of the perfect bulking steroid with the perfect cutting steroid. For this reason, Superbol has become quite popular for all purposes, producing incredible muscle mass and strength gains while DRASTICALLY enhancing muscular defintion and vascularity. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all.

Epistane is a POWRFUL active steroid as well, superior to anavar for muscle mass and rivaling Anavar in terms of strength, hardness, and vascularity. One of my favorite compounds hands down.

Halodrol and Pheraplex are also pretty sick...

 

[the_alcatraz]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.

tsk, tsk, tsk...

No where near the same results bro...and bad sides...

 

[eddymerckx]

from what i understand about prohormones is that they are made up of a larger percentage of molecules that have a methyl 17a by weight when compared with other "traditional" oral steroid and are therefore significantly more hepatoxic...but what the hell do i know

 

[the_alcatraz]

from what i understand about prohormones is that they are made up of a larger percentage of molecules that have a methyl 17a by weight when compared with other "traditional" oral steroid and are therefore significantly more hepatoxic...but what the hell do i know

I'd say quite a LOT

 

[Pikaberdot]

There's been research regarding most AAS. Both on humans and animal subjects. Not so much when it comes to prohormones. So the overall lack of research, in combination with the fact that you get the same (or worse) side effects, and less results are why they are considered "worse".

 

[Varga]

Not sure how well these newer prohormons work but the ones from few years ago around when M1T was around were strong as fuck....I remember the turanabol by Gaspari being amazing for strength at only 15mg ED if I remember right.
I started mixing that with test prop and holy shit

 

[chazk]

I do agree with ross on one thing that superdrol is potent stuff.
I watched two work out partners in my gym do a cycle run to see if the superdrol worked.

Keep in mind they both were pretty thick and worked out alot and have juiced in the past.
Both of them started to look bloated in the face and told me they both shot up around 7lbs in 6 weeks , they both told me it was just as good as dbol but less bloat.

I ventured away from the stuff being that I really do not even like orals due to liver side effects.

But of someone wants to run a oral does not care superdrol is worth the money for them if they do not want to try and find dianabol

 

[eddymerckx]

I do agree with ross on one thing that superdrol is potent stuff.
I watched two work out partners in my gym do a cycle run to see if the superdrol worked.

Keep in mind they both were pretty thick and worked out alot and have juiced in the past.
Both of them started to look bloated in the face and told me they both shot up around 7lbs in 6 weeks , they both told me it was just as good as dbol but less bloat.

I ventured away from the stuff being that I really do not even like orals due to liver side effects.

But of someone wants to run a oral does not care superdrol is worth the money for them if they do not want to try and find dianabol

i agree-there are no surprises with d-bol----there is so much information about real gear, why be the crash test (no pun intended) dummy for something new---heck, you don't even buy a car during the first model year and it can takes years of use by million of people to find-out about unintended sides of the lastest and greatest drug.......i am just waiting for the study that cialis will make my pecker fall off after 5 years

 

[wzkid]

i am just waiting for the study that cialis will make my pecker fall off after 5 years

Oh Shit,

 

[OMEGA]

I have not read any posts only the title of this thread

~ many or poorer forms of superior steroids
~ some are not even close to Steroids yet have sides
~ Risk: many of them have no research of the side effects, and possible other pointer usually associated with the researched forms.

 

[Mavafanculo]

traditional steroids have either a long track record or lots of studys behind them, so we have some idea of long-term sides and safety issues.

prohormones/prosteroids/designer steroids fall into 2 catagories:

1) designed on monday, tested for a month, and on the shelf next month. so you have no idea what the intermediate and longterm effects will be.

2) copys of steroids that were tested and rejected by drug companies for either effectiveness or safety reasons.

 

[OMEGA]

Mava with teh win

 

[the_alcatraz]

traditional steroids have either a long track record or lots of studys behind them, so we have some idea of long-term sides and safety issues.

prohormones/prosteroids/designer steroids fall into 2 catagories:

1) designed on monday, tested for a month, and on the shelf next month. so you have no idea what the intermediate and longterm effects will be.

2) copys of steroids that were tested and rejected by drug companies for either effectiveness or safety reasons.

sek-c Mava strikes again!

 

[TexasBB]

my experience- i ran some M1T and MAG10 3-4 years ago and made amazing strength and size gains. i had never used any steroids prior to that. since then i have run a few true aas cycles but have yet to realize the same gains. but, and it is a big but, while taking prohormones my liver took a beating, gyno was a problem and acne was brutal (same with aas). i wouldn't touch prohormones just for the liver damage.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Prohormones such as the original 1-AD and 4-AD, as well as the new "designer steroids" such as Halodrol, Superdrol, and Epistane, are no "better" or "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids such as Dianabol and Deca that are available on the pharmaceutical/underground market.

However, they are frequently referred to as "worse" than the classical anabolic steroids because they are often times LESS EFFECTIVE, but still produce some of the very same side-effects. Like 19-Norandro for instance, which is highly progestational and severely suppressive of the HPTA, while being significantly LESS effective than it's parent hormone, Nandrolone(Deca).

It should be noted however, that the new designer steroids such as Superdrol and Epistane are actually just as effective as other oral steroids such as Dianabol, Winstrol, or Anavar.

Kinda hard to beileve.

 

[P4D2A022]

SD does def work. havent tried epistane but have heard awesome things...superdrol's lethargy just blowssss

 

[bigdofba]

Is epistane underdosed? I read an article somewhere that and supposedly someone tested it and found that the ingredients weren't what the lable said.

I am very interested in trying epistane or havoc even though everyone tends to bash prohormones.

 

[Varga]

my experience- i ran some M1T and MAG10 3-4 years ago and made amazing strength and size gains. i had never used any steroids prior to that. since then i have run a few true aas cycles but have yet to realize the same gains. but, and it is a big but, while taking prohormones my liver took a beating, gyno was a problem and acne was brutal (same with aas). i wouldn't touch prohormones just for the liver damage.

From experience M1T was the only steroid which started to give me gyno. Never had gyno issue before or after.....that basically tells me that the stuff was extremly powerful. From what I remember gains were very rapid about 3 weeks and you pretty much done
I have to agree that it would pound the heck out of you body but the shit was very strong and you definitely got results. Mag 10 was milder in sides but put on nice mass as well.
This shit wasn't for the fainth of heart that's for sure!! LOL

 

[P4D2A022]

i ran m1t at 15mg for about 5-6 days and oculdnt handle it. and ive done 40-40-40 of superdrol before... i only ran m1t that one time. i think my stuff may have been overdosed, i dunno. maybe it just didnt agree w me

 

[jumpmaster82]

the sides are considered worse because the sides are the same if not worse than aas and give half the gains.