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Who's glad/regrets they started using aas before their natural limit ?
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bumpo
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I'm glad I started when I did (21). It took me this long to gain a good understanding of nutrition, settle into a really good routine, know exactly what I was doing, and to really appreciate my hard earned gains. Because of all this, I think I respect my body and gear alot more as well.
I talk to alot of people that want to jump into things after 3 months. When I first started lifting, I was so sporadic in training, that I wasn't sure this was something I wanted to commit to, and if I was going to start injecting myself with drugs, I better damn well be sure that this was something I was going to commit to.
I talk to alot of people that want to jump into things after 3 months. When I first started lifting, I was so sporadic in training, that I wasn't sure this was something I wanted to commit to, and if I was going to start injecting myself with drugs, I better damn well be sure that this was something I was going to commit to.
sauerbrauten
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I wish i started liek 1 yr later oh well though..
sauerbrauten
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I dont know just to mature more i guess...my stats when i started were 215lbs. 6' 17 1/2 yrs old. now im 19 1/2 (255lbs 6') just started cutting 2 weeks ago from afat ass 272 lbs
The harm? I'll tell you bro, "if you can't gain naturally, you will not gain on steroids." It's that simple.
Sure you'll put some weight on your first 2 cycles. After that initial shock, your body will no longer grow because you never learned how to train or eat properly.
5'7 at 135lbs is small. You are doing something wrong...diet, training, lifestyle...steroids are not the answer.
Sure you'll put some weight on your first 2 cycles. After that initial shock, your body will no longer grow because you never learned how to train or eat properly.
5'7 at 135lbs is small. You are doing something wrong...diet, training, lifestyle...steroids are not the answer.
I did a few cycles when I was 16(or 17?)-19.
I started my first cycle when I had worked out for a couple of weeks.
Have trained clean for like 5 years now.
I should have looked into different trainingmethods from the start instead.
Can't say I care too much about it now, haven't got any sides from it.
I started my first cycle when I had worked out for a couple of weeks.
Have trained clean for like 5 years now.
I should have looked into different trainingmethods from the start instead.
Can't say I care too much about it now, haven't got any sides from it.
Dial_tone there's no need for comments like that, you may have meant it as a joke but I didn't find it very funny. Everyone has to start somewhere, I'm quite insecure about my weight and comments like that don't help, I don't make comments about you so I would appreciate it if you didn't about me. In the future don't reply to any of my threads cos you've replied to a few before and never have anything constructive to say. Thanks Bigandy69 for the advice bro, you've given me a lot to think about, karma for you bro.
RageControl
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I regret starting young and not knowing what the f*ck i was doing. I basicly waisted a few cycles . Recently (5 years after first cycle) i have been getting muscle / ligament injurys and i wonder if thats due to the fact i started at 17?
Thanks Jetsin, yes there must be something that I'm not doing right, I'm training with low volume twice a week so I'm not overtraining and doubt that I'm undertraining. Diet is pretty good, getting around 3000cals a day, 200-250g of protein, about 300g carbs and a tablespoon of olive oil in each of my my shakes(3 a day) I also get 8hrs plus a night. My metabolism must be racing so maybe my body just needs time to slow down.
I'm glad I waited, although maybe not as long as I did(ten years of natural training). I was 140 at around 5'9' when I started, and was able to get up around 200lbs naturally. Because I waited, after my first cycle I looked like most guys do after 5 cycles. I am now at 230lbs 10% bodyfat (have been as high as 240), but am still growing. Every cycle you do its going to get harder to grow. If you wait till you're close to your natural limit before starting, you can blow right past that natural limit. But if you have to do a few cycles to get to that natural limit, with the resistance you've built up to the steroids, think of how much harder its going to be to keep growing.
But in the end it is your decision and your decision only, no one else can tell you whats right or wrong for you
I hope that ramble made sense....
But in the end it is your decision and your decision only, no one else can tell you whats right or wrong for you
I hope that ramble made sense....
Thanks needsize, I know I can put on a lot more size naturally, I just don't know what I am doing wrong...It hasn't been that long since I got my diet in order and it could still be improved, I have put on 8lbs in about 6 weeks so the gains are coming. What are the best ratios when bulking 40p/40c/20f or 30/50/20 or maybe 30/30/30 ???
bigp3
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I waited until 27 to do it. I had about 8 years of Naturla Training under my belt. Was able to get to 230lbs, 6'3" tall with 11% BF. After 2 cycles I am now 250 lbs at 11.7% BF. I am glad I waited. I am more financially and mentall prepared to handle everything that goes with AS. People tend to forget that food costs more than the drugs and most 19 or 20 year olds can't make the committment to the diet requirements because of this. Also I am more mature now and able to handle the mood changes. I don't know if I could have at 20.
To each his own though,,,, this is just me
To each his own though,,,, this is just me
Hey bro, Needsize gave you some great advice, he looks like a lower level pro yet he's only done a few cycles.
Twice a week? That's not gonna cut it IMO. The best advice I can give you is to read everything you can...don't waste your time on AS, focus your research on training and diet...Flex magazine is a decent start..read everything you can and become an expert on every type of training...experiment with all of them and see which one works for you best
Twice a week? That's not gonna cut it IMO. The best advice I can give you is to read everything you can...don't waste your time on AS, focus your research on training and diet...Flex magazine is a decent start..read everything you can and become an expert on every type of training...experiment with all of them and see which one works for you best
strangebrew
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If you havn't already, you should check out needsize's 5x5 thread on the training board, great routine.
Triple J
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One should wait until they are knowledgable enough about training and nutrition, and financially and emotionally mature enough, to get the most out of their cycle. Even then cycling is a whole new ballgame and learning how you respond and recover will be a whole new dimension to your knowledge. So while the first cycles can be some of the best, still it may take a few cycles and recoveries under your belt to really arrive, and avoid the yo-yo effect. So it really does not matter if you are at your genetic potential or not. If you have been plateaud for a period of years and your approach is solid, and you are committed enough, then you are ready. Actually AAS can be of great benefit to helping one achieve their potential. After roughly achieving ones potential then it becomes a matter of yo-yo'ing up and down above your potential trying to achieve a higher setpoint. Those that need to sport a physique beyond their genetic potential will likely end up being on more than they are off. Risk management then becomes critical if this is long-term harmful or not. Also when one gets older, since HPTA recovery may become more challenging, and hormone levels will not be as high anyway, people drift toward being on more or less fulltime, as HRT. At that point, hopefully this will enable them to operate well above their natural limit in regards to what would be natural for their age.
So for starters it does not really matter if you are at your limit or not. But if you cannot get to your limit and somewhat beyond with AAS then you are really in the wrong game. Once you go the AAS route, you need to think carefully about your long-term goals and what level it will take to keep you satisfied.
So for starters it does not really matter if you are at your limit or not. But if you cannot get to your limit and somewhat beyond with AAS then you are really in the wrong game. Once you go the AAS route, you need to think carefully about your long-term goals and what level it will take to keep you satisfied.
Thanks strangebrew I'm thinking of trying the 5x5 routine after my gains stop coming on this routine I'm on. I don't think I'll be following the 15-20sets per bodypart routines in Flex Bigandy cos I'd overtrain in no time and so will you if you follow them. I know twice a week sounds like I'm being lazy but I'm following Stuart McRobert's advice from Beyond Brawn and been gaining ok on it so far bro.
jacshelb
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Yeo,
i agree with you about the twice a week thing. Actually, at the point where I am now, if I train "intensly" twice a week it is to much. I think it's like Arnold said, how the harder you train, the more rest you'll need.
I'm a natural ectomorph. I gain weight on 4200 cal per day and about two workouts per week. So, I think everyone has different needs.
Jacob
i agree with you about the twice a week thing. Actually, at the point where I am now, if I train "intensly" twice a week it is to much. I think it's like Arnold said, how the harder you train, the more rest you'll need.
I'm a natural ectomorph. I gain weight on 4200 cal per day and about two workouts per week. So, I think everyone has different needs.
Jacob
MasterChief
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I would wait at least 1 1/2 more years. You can easily put on 20-30 pounds on that frame naturally. Easy if you work on it. I guarantee it. Then start the juice around 165. good luck
jacshelb
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My stats are ( don't laugh) 6'2" and 180lbs. I've been lifting again now for two years or so. Started in early 2001 at about 145lbs. I've always been skinny but I did lift weights throughout high school and have always read and tried things over the years, just not from 1999-2001. My metabolism is still fairly high and I usually bulk for short spurts (12 days or so with a week on regular cal. in between to keep the fat reasonable and the metabolism guessing). I eat pretty much whatever I want when bulking, but usually not more than one or two sweet or fat filled snacks per day. Mostly regular food: sandwiches, fruit, shakes, whatever.
I'm a little embarassed that I'm even giving advice as comparitively small as i am. But, I am just getting started. Eating like I do is putting about 5 keepable pounds on per month now that I've figured out what to do(that's after fat is reduced.) From Dec. 2001- july 2002 I didn't gain a pound. Since then (using these short bulking cycles - 4200 aprox/2500 aprox. off on) I've went from 162-180.
I'm wishing you luck, but I think we'll all find that it's just a matter of trying new things until we find what works. Good to see someone on actually asking good questions!
Jacob
I'm a little embarassed that I'm even giving advice as comparitively small as i am. But, I am just getting started. Eating like I do is putting about 5 keepable pounds on per month now that I've figured out what to do(that's after fat is reduced.) From Dec. 2001- july 2002 I didn't gain a pound. Since then (using these short bulking cycles - 4200 aprox/2500 aprox. off on) I've went from 162-180.
I'm wishing you luck, but I think we'll all find that it's just a matter of trying new things until we find what works. Good to see someone on actually asking good questions!
Jacob
i took my first shot when i was almost 20 yrs old and weighed a measly 160lbs. Now im 23 and im 212lbs at 5'9 and i just started another cycle.i thought i had horrible genetics but i put 35lbs on in one year when i got my diet and training on the same page.
sometimes i wish i never started this habit.10 years from now alot of us will more than likely have serious health problems if we dont have them already.if your gonna juice do it right from the beginning. dont drink alcohol in excess, or do rec. drugs in excess and dont take 17-aa orals every cycle.use the right kidney and liver protection and you will have a longer and healthier life.
sometimes i wish i never started this habit.10 years from now alot of us will more than likely have serious health problems if we dont have them already.if your gonna juice do it right from the beginning. dont drink alcohol in excess, or do rec. drugs in excess and dont take 17-aa orals every cycle.use the right kidney and liver protection and you will have a longer and healthier life.
Damn I've been busy with studying for finals all week.
Yeo, when I started lifting I was weighing in at 140lbs. I was a competitive long distance swimmer, and had been lean all my life. I was hovering around 9% BF when I swam. I started lifting heavy in high school for football. That was one of the worst decisions I ever made, but another story.
So during football, I was about 150 and 17-18%BF. Completely lost my swimming physique and just grew fat. Over the next couple of years I got down to about 162 15%. After my first cycle, I was 170 and around 14-15%. I've waited six months more, and prior to my current cycle, I was 170 13%. I'm now on an 8 week Sust cycle, and expect to end up post cycle around 185.
I believe 185 is going to be my "genetic limit". Although I have a really good frame to build on, my entire family is really small. All my relatives are really small too. You don't see many jacked 200lb 5'5 Japanese guys walking around....or at least I haven't. Thus, this will probably be my last cycle if I get up to my desired weight. In addition, for the sports and hobbies I do, being any bigger is only going to hinder my ability (I can tell that I already sink faster when I go snowboarding) Anyways, good luck bro. Just make sure that you continue to lift hard post cycle, I find it the hardest to continue lifting hard while slowly losing strength.
Yeo, when I started lifting I was weighing in at 140lbs. I was a competitive long distance swimmer, and had been lean all my life. I was hovering around 9% BF when I swam. I started lifting heavy in high school for football. That was one of the worst decisions I ever made, but another story.
So during football, I was about 150 and 17-18%BF. Completely lost my swimming physique and just grew fat. Over the next couple of years I got down to about 162 15%. After my first cycle, I was 170 and around 14-15%. I've waited six months more, and prior to my current cycle, I was 170 13%. I'm now on an 8 week Sust cycle, and expect to end up post cycle around 185.
I believe 185 is going to be my "genetic limit". Although I have a really good frame to build on, my entire family is really small. All my relatives are really small too. You don't see many jacked 200lb 5'5 Japanese guys walking around....or at least I haven't. Thus, this will probably be my last cycle if I get up to my desired weight. In addition, for the sports and hobbies I do, being any bigger is only going to hinder my ability (I can tell that I already sink faster when I go snowboarding) Anyways, good luck bro. Just make sure that you continue to lift hard post cycle, I find it the hardest to continue lifting hard while slowly losing strength.
Shoichi my father's Chinese and I have seen photos of him when he was my age and he was really skinny too. When I started lifting I was 21 and 117lbs, I have managed to get to 135lbs, the way I see it I could bust my ass to put on another 20-25lbs naturally or I coulld take aas, bust my ass and get there a hell of a lot quicker. What do you mean by lifting heavy was the worst decision you ever made ? When I started lifting my self confidence went up and I felt great.
My next question is if I got to my genetic limit with the help of aas, was happy with my weight and then stopped using but kept training hrad and eating right, would I stay at my genetic limit or would I shrink down to the weight I was at before I started using aas ?
My next question is if I got to my genetic limit with the help of aas, was happy with my weight and then stopped using but kept training hrad and eating right, would I stay at my genetic limit or would I shrink down to the weight I was at before I started using aas ?
Yeo said:
It's strange, up until I started lifting weights I was perfectly fine with my body. Now it seems that the more I lift and get into the lifestyle, the more concerned I am about it. Lifting heavy was one of the many bad decisions I made at the time. Being a long distance swimmer, it added unnecessary weight, and tore at my swimming condition. At the time I would have easily landed a full scholarship had I continued to swim. However, I'm perfectly happy with where I am now in regards to that decision.
Your question is surrounded by alot of controversy on these boards. It's my belief that if you are under your genetic potential, then there is no reason that you cannot keep your gains from gear use. This is provided that you eat right, train right, and don't party excessively. You should expect to lose a couple of lbs post cycle, this is natural. If you are past your genetic potential by quite a bit, you will need gear to help keep you at that level.
Yeo I think at age 22 jumping on 250mgs a week for 10 weeks (test only cycle) can't hurt. Just make sure you follow up properly on post cycle. I wish I would have started earlier even though I was not and still am not at my genetic potential at age 27. I am 6ft. and down to 170lbs (recovering from motorcycle accident). I can't wait to jump back on and get my muscle back and I am sure in the hell am not going to wait a couple years..... Good luck
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