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Exactly...the prop is the entire 100 mgs for 2 days. Enth is spread out over 10 days. But if you do a shot of prop EOD and 2 shots of 200 mgs of enth , over the course of time, it's essentially the same thing.
who's a fan of SHORT TEST CYCLES? lets build one.....
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Exactly...the prop is the entire 100 mgs for 2 days. Enth is spread out over 10 days. But if you do a shot of prop EOD and 2 shots of 200 mgs of enth , over the course of time, it's essentially the same thing.
Alright doctor.
Those are the half-lives of the drugs in their esters. I've done dozens of blood tests to prove it, plus you can look it up in actual product inserts and literature from the mfgs (not on some fucking steroid board). Go ahead, do what I've done and prove me wrong.
Although you are correct, you don't have to shoot enanthate every 4 days. You can shoot enanthate every 7 days and you probably won't notice much difference. But if you do blood tests you'll see a difference. The T levels will begin to drop a bit after 4-5 days. Obviously what you feel will depend on your dose.
I'm stating the actual half-lives of the different esters in the blood.
When I say ~4 days, it could be 5. It's not exact as I'm sure you know, but it's pretty damn close and no way the actual half-life is 10 days.
What you are stating are closer to the actual active life of the drugs in their respective esters.
Lol.. Exactly, your post is right on spot, and with that being said, I said it before and I will say it again, moderate cycles are the best for optimal results. Imo, short cycles do not give one enough time to make sufficient gains (waste) and long cycles the "law of diminishing returns" starts to occur.. (waste). 12-16 week cycles are the best imo...
Yes, that's what I'm saying. The ester is active for 10 days. Of course, there's a slight peak to days 3-5 and then a slight taper off. Once again, let's talk reality. I've had blood tests taken 2 days after my HRT shot and 6 days after my HRT shot and the blood levels are not dramatically different. And I don't feel a noticeable "droop" unless I go about 16 - 17 days without a shot.
For bodybuilding purposes, you're shooting twice a week anyway, which brings us back to the same point. Using a short ester or a longer one isn't that different other than a slightly faster "hit" from the prop. After a week or so of regular dosing, it's not much different other than you have to inject more frequently. And again, the drugs don't take weeks to kick in.
I think this is BS.
My first cycle was 10 weeks. I didnt notice any additional gains after around week 8. That being said, I was in a slight calorie defecit the final weeks of my cycle. But I know my body pretty damn well and for me, I already know that anything longer than 10 weeks is a waste, unless we're throwing in other compounds mid or end cycle. Week 9 is around when the gains stop, and I think I remember N2 saying the same thing. Anything longer than a 10 week cycle is just further shutting you down, IMO.
I will be doing a log of a 6 week cycle here in a few weeks. And I can guarantee at LEAST a 20 pound gain and I will keep damn near most of it. SURE, if I extended it another 4 weeks I might gain another 10 or 15 pounds, but how much of that will I keep? and how much harder will recovery be BECAUSE of those additional 4 weeks?
short cycles worthless? I cant wait to prove you wrong.
and o yes, there will be pictures
Personally, short cycles are the only thing I'll attempt anymore. I've always noticed strong diminishing returns after the 6th week of a test (or test+oral) cycles, even sooner for oral only cycles... And I have a much, much harder time recovering after a cycle that lasts longer than 5 weeks. I've done in a 5 week T-P cycle the same as what I was capable of doing in a 10wk T-E cycle with the same weekly dose.
Only difference was the 10wk cycle had me shut down for three months, whereas I bounced back quite fast from the 5 week one. This includes HCG and proper PCT. I tend to shut down hard, and stay shut down... Which worries me to some extent about my future with AAS.
Then again, I'm the type that after 5 days of T-E, I start breaking out like crazy, and can't keep my pants on or stomach full.
Only difference was the 10wk cycle had me shut down for three months, whereas I bounced back quite fast from the 5 week one. This includes HCG and proper PCT. I tend to shut down hard, and stay shut down... Which worries me to some extent about my future with AAS.
Then again, I'm the type that after 5 days of T-E, I start breaking out like crazy, and can't keep my pants on or stomach full.
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And the thing about short cycles is, you can do more of them.
All things being equal 4 one month cycles will yield more lasting muscle than a single 16 week cycle.
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And the thing about short cycles is, you can do more of them.
All things being equal 4 one month cycles will yield more lasting muscle than a single 16 week cycle.
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burningman
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My 1st cycle was an 8 week test prop with 6 weeks of anavar. my 2nd cycle will be 3 weeks, any recommended protocols out there?
