Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Mine did almost 3 years ago and I hate it. I've hated it ever since. How could I be so weak? I should fucking have a son or daughter right now.
Who here has had a gf have an abortion?
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I've been a hateful spiteful person ever since then. I firmly believe the underlying issue is that one thing.
hotzie said:
Brother, I know your pain. Ive dealt with it by taking it out on every one else in my life. This summer I met up with a family of standup jetski riders, and the guy's son looked more like me than I do, down to the eye color, hair, and nose. I'm sick everyday thinking about it. I tried for a couple years to just put it out of the back of my mind, but I think about it daily.
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Gambino
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i had a unprotected one nighter with a mexican fatty in dallas a few yrs back
blew a tremendous load then bailed
before i left she asked me if i came
i've always wondered if i knocked it up
blew a tremendous load then bailed
before i left she asked me if i came
i've always wondered if i knocked it up
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307434&page=1&pp=30&highlight=life
There's the thread with my situation on it. I revisited it today and it's making me sick all over again.
There's the thread with my situation on it. I revisited it today and it's making me sick all over again.
I think at the time I had some religious convictions. Still searching for answers to this day, but this has haunted me since then.Lestat said:
jnevin
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Lestat said:I'm sorry to hear that bro
As far as the religious convictions go, did you know that 50% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort? Most people never even know that they had a miscarriage.
"god" is responsible for more abortions than man will ever be.
Great logic dude.
TanOsaurus
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I think what's really sad about this is most people having abortions in Western Civilization do so over financial reasons (they say they can't afford to raise a child).
Yet, compared to the vast majority of the rest of the world, we are all living like kings & queens. We don't worry about food, shelter, or even security... certainly not like the people in less privileged societies.
But, somehow the poorest people of the world manage to raise very large families on very little resources. One almost wonders how they do it. No Xbox 360, no PS3, no ipod, no 500 channel dish attached to a 52" flat screen TV...
Yep, even without the luxury of murdering the unborn.
Yet, compared to the vast majority of the rest of the world, we are all living like kings & queens. We don't worry about food, shelter, or even security... certainly not like the people in less privileged societies.
But, somehow the poorest people of the world manage to raise very large families on very little resources. One almost wonders how they do it. No Xbox 360, no PS3, no ipod, no 500 channel dish attached to a 52" flat screen TV...
Yep, even without the luxury of murdering the unborn.
Actually I'm pretty well versed in developmental biology, and do know that around 2/3 of the time, the fertilized mass of cells never attaches to the uterine wall. After 6 days it usuallly wont and then the cells are expelled out of the vagina.Lestat said:I'm sorry to hear that bro
As far as the religious convictions go, did you know that 50% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort? Most people never even know that they had a miscarriage.
"god" is responsible for more abortions than man will ever be.
cindylou said:
I have the same questions in my head. It's funny, there's a kenny chesney song that talks aobut getting his high school girlfriend pregnant and her name in the song is cindylou.
how is that bad logic?jnevin said:Great logic dude.
Christians will blow up abortion clinics, and brain wash children into thinking that abortion is murder, all the while 50% of conceptions end with the fetus dying. Why not spend all of their enegergies trying to advance science to the point where miscarriages are a thing of the past? Then we can worry about voluntary abortions which in most cases are children that are UNWANTED while miscarriages are often times planned pregnancies.
Fuck man, I was up late last night thinking about how there are missionaries in Africa now TEACHING PEOPLE NOT TO USE CONDOMS despite a devastating AIDS epidemic there.
Conservative Christians are against the HPV and future HIV vaccines on the grounds that they are a deterrant to pre marital sex!! Sometimes I really wonder about the nation we live in at times.
I really think that kind of thinking is such BS.Lestat said:
juiceddreadlocks said:I have the same questions in my head. It's funny, there's a kenny chesney song that talks aobut getting his high school girlfriend pregnant and her name in the song is cindylou.
ha! ol' cindylou. lol. I cant say I can recall that song I might have to google it or something.
I know many conservative Christians who do not belive life starts at conception. I used to be one of those who believe human life started at birth, but I just dont know....
hotzie
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in my case we really had no choice , back then i was into a lot of drugs , alot and so was she. we were doin morphine patches , oxys , vics, xanies , and she loved to smoke meth and bud. we didnt know seh was preg while we were during all this , and there was no way to bring a fucked up baby into this world.
cindylou said:
"Never Gonna Feel That Way Again"
Kenny Chesney said:
rykertest
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Lestat said:I'm sorry to hear that bro
As far as the religious convictions go, did you know that 50% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort? Most people never even know that they had a miscarriage.
"god" is responsible for more abortions than man will ever be.
That last sentance is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
rykertest
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juiceddreadlocks said:
Hey man, sorry to hear about your struggle with this. I cannot relate to your pain, but I can only imagine how painful it must be and how it could creep into your mind and knaw at your very soul. I am anti abortion. Having seen one done on a video and also seen a partial birth abortion, even the strongest man or woman cannot leave that situation without a hole, a horrible feeling in your gut that stays with you forever. I don't think that memory will ever go away, but it's time like this when trusting in your family and friends and God will get you thru.
SOmething this instense and serious, it might be goot o talk to a therapist about it??? I bet it would help to at least get it all off your chest with a live person rather than just internet friends. Whatever path you choose, take care bro and God bless you and yours.
thanks for looking that up juiced!!
We will all be judged for what we have done. I will get what's coming to me in the end.
I'm extremely bitter about the whole deal. I feel if I did not have such easy access to have the abortion, I never would have. I also know that if I had known that I could not have an abortion I would have been alot more responsible if the consequences were greater. I was child for god sakes, I had no business even having sex at the time but I was just too young to understand if you do this, then THIS might happen. I dont know.
If every drunk driver was charged with attempted manslaughter just for getting behind the wheel, you'd see less drunk driving for sure!!
Again, I dont know. I dont know when life starts so I'm not sure how I feel, all I know is I feel really guilty. Almost like I've commited murder. So girls out there, you want to feel like that for the rest of your life? No one talks about the guilt........ oh the pain it feels to believe that you yourself might have commited murder on an innocent child.
We will all be judged for what we have done. I will get what's coming to me in the end.
I'm extremely bitter about the whole deal. I feel if I did not have such easy access to have the abortion, I never would have. I also know that if I had known that I could not have an abortion I would have been alot more responsible if the consequences were greater. I was child for god sakes, I had no business even having sex at the time but I was just too young to understand if you do this, then THIS might happen. I dont know.
If every drunk driver was charged with attempted manslaughter just for getting behind the wheel, you'd see less drunk driving for sure!!
Again, I dont know. I dont know when life starts so I'm not sure how I feel, all I know is I feel really guilty. Almost like I've commited murder. So girls out there, you want to feel like that for the rest of your life? No one talks about the guilt........ oh the pain it feels to believe that you yourself might have commited murder on an innocent child.
I feel your pain. My EX g/f got pregnant about 2 months into our relationship. She wanted to keep the baby at first (I wanted it too). Later from influance from her mother and friends she wanted an abortion. She had it on valentines day 8 or so months back. Later she wanted to contiue the relationship but I could never forgive her. She still calls wanting to get back together. I wish everyday it didn't happen but in the long run its probably best, because she is a hardcore party girl.
I feel for your situation. I will never have a normal valentines agian.
I feel for your situation. I will never have a normal valentines agian.
I literally think out of all the girls I know 1 or maybe 2 have NOT had an abortion @ some pt in thier lives
When I was 15 I knocked my GF up. Had the abortion. Then again @ 17, another abortion. Same girl @ 18, had the kid but I never see him or her, she dissapeared.
When I was 21 I had an affair with a married woman, she got pregnant....abortion.
Since then Ive been more careful..guess you get kicked in the face enough you stay down eventually.
I have faith and I know all the abortions were the right thing to do @ the time. I was not ready in any way shape or form @ those pts to be a father.
When I was 15 I knocked my GF up. Had the abortion. Then again @ 17, another abortion. Same girl @ 18, had the kid but I never see him or her, she dissapeared.
When I was 21 I had an affair with a married woman, she got pregnant....abortion.
Since then Ive been more careful..guess you get kicked in the face enough you stay down eventually.
I have faith and I know all the abortions were the right thing to do @ the time. I was not ready in any way shape or form @ those pts to be a father.
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Gambino
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Wulfgar said:
don't you wonder about the kid your gf had?
that would keep me up at night
Delinquent
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TanOsaurus said:I think what's really sad about this is most people having abortions in Western Civilization do so over financial reasons (they say they can't afford to raise a child).
Yet, compared to the vast majority of the rest of the world, we are all living like kings & queens. We don't worry about food, shelter, or even security... certainly not like the people in less privileged societies.
But, somehow the poorest people of the world manage to raise very large families on very little resources. One almost wonders how they do it. No Xbox 360, no PS3, no ipod, no 500 channel dish attached to a 52" flat screen TV...
Yep, even without the luxury of murdering the unborn.
Yea and look at these people having so many children. They live in 3rd world conditions where they should know that having more kids means more struggle yet they continue. Abortion is a means of culling such a lack of control. If you aren't ready to have a kid, why go through with it? Sure, one can say to use protection or not to have sex at all which is simply ludicrous and also semantics.
It also culls the number of children that would have been neglected or sent to an orphangage. That's one big problem with anti abortion people, they can't see the benefits of such an action. All they see if the "murder" of a human when in fact it's no different than eating an chicken egg. Humans are animals yet these people try to categorize us as higher beings when that's simply not the case. Eating a chicken egg is killing a potential chicken just like aborting a FETUS (not baby) is killing a potential kid. If one can say there is a difference, they are thinking with their heart instead of their head. But, logic isn't something that comes into play when you're talking about the anti abortion freaks
patsfan1379
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Delinquent said:
The chicken eggs you and I eat are unfertilized there schmucko.
Delinquent
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patsfan1379 said:
and? It's still a potential chicken as I have broken open an egg that was a partially formed chic
Even without that lame analogy that I used, humans are no more important on an ecological or biological level than any other animal. If one looks at abortion from a more logical standpoint, there are only pro's with the exception being the potential risk to the mother during the procedure. The cons that anti abortion peeps claim are not cons at all if one actually thinks about why they are their cons.
Regardless, I'll think one way and they will think the other. No changing anyone's mind
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Gambino
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store bought eggs are like the egg a woman discharges during her periodDelinquent said:
unfertilized
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Delinquent said:
What gets me also is these people outside the clinics with their signs and name calling....I have yet to ever hear of one saying, give me your baby, I'll take care of it! It is so easy for people to judge before doing anything to help. These are people that obviously have never been in such a situation. If a woman chooses to abort then to me she wasn't ready and a baby should not be brought into this world when it is not wanted or isn't gonna be provided for. That would be a bigger crime IMO anyway.
Delinquent said:
I also eat chicken breast all the time for lunch! I dont eat human babies
..................just saying !!!! i'M Not siding against you anything, I just had to post that! I am not pro-life, but I'm not pro-choice. I'm sitting on the fence because its devistating to everyone involved, but I'm not sure I can say its murder either.
juiceddreadlocks said:
I had one May of '99 when I was 16. At the time everyone involved was like no way this child is having a baby. Worst decison of my life to have gone along with that. I have pink and blue gold and enamel baby booties I keep now as a reminder to myself of what I did and the child I should have now.
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patsfan1379
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Delinquent said:
I'll be honest here, your point is so convoluted it looks like it doesn't even make sense to you because I don't know what the hell you are saying. BUT I think I can sum up your points and opinions in two words.
Pro-Life.
kthnxbye
patsfan1379
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Wulfgar said:we have alot of liberal people here on EF
EF is not a cross section of america though.
I'm still pro choice becuase I dont care to force anything on anyone else. For me, it started just a couple months afterwards... and it's haunted me ever since. I've even posted on here that it didnt affect me at all, but that's a lie. It always has and always will.
that is true. At some point you have to ask yourself what good agonizing over it will do. Doesn't do anygood for the unborn child or yourself right? Have your moment, recognize it for what it is, and look to the future. You'll have children one day bro, and you'll be in a place in your life where you can raise them the way you want to.stilleto said:
jnevin
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Lestat said:
You said it with the intention of stirring up shit and putting people down because of their beliefs. You do it every chance you get, and it's old. It's funny, because you're the first one to call a person a racist any time something you don't like is posted, but you're the same person with religion. Just an unhappy, bigoted little boy.
lmao! you don't think so bro? fuck, you're going to make me do a research project to show you exactly how vastly different they are.jnevin said:
without fact checking, lets just think for a minute, how many wars have Jainists started? or buddists?
how many have christians and muslims?
Many easter religions are about ending suffering for all living beings, even a fucking ant.
But then you have the Christian god who condones stoning entire VILLAGES! What the fuck man, show me eastern religions that condone such violence.
you can feel free to attack me personally all you want, I'll continue to attack people's flawed thinking and reasoning. Name calling and personal insults really don't make the illogical logical.jnevin said:
And yes, I do call out racism when I see it. I'm not perfect when it comes to that, I've fallen victim to negative stereotypes and even do things I think are benign like refer to african americans as "homies" but when I see someone using the n-word, or talking about how minorities increase crime I call that shit out quick.
digimon7068
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anybody that strongly believes in "abortion rights" should have to walk in your shoes for a day. . .feel better bro. . .
jnevin
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Lestat said:
You putting down peoples' beliefs is the same thing as people putting different races down. I don't defend the "logic" behind religions, but you to religion and people that belive the way they want to is the EXACT same thing as Kakdiesel and the way he views blacks. You're no better.
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jnevin said:
Bro, you make good points but lestat isn't someone you can argue with. You will never have a constructive debate on anything with him. He's a double talker that says what suits him to "win" a discussion and to degrade you. You know what you beleive so let him live his life bro. K to you.
digimon7068 said:
I agree, and every single Pro Lifer should have to adopt one kid
My g/f had one in 2002, the abortion was best decision WE could have EVER made, period.
I was and always will be PRO CHOICE, it isnt my job to push my beliefs on someone else, we are all free to choose, from start to finish.
I'm still pro choice, for the same reason also. The decision has made both of our lives easier for sure.get456 said:
juiceddreadlocks said:
its actually kind of... odd that i happened to read this thread (as im never in C&C) but I saw my ex yesterday and she actually brought up the fact that the kid would be about 4 now... i dont really think of it ever but it was a strange feeling for sure.
But the fact remains we had SUCH a horrible relationship, I cant imagine having a child grow up in that.
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I actually think we should be thankful to have the ability to abort children. No lie. It really keeps a lot of fucked up people out of this world that could potentially hurt it. It doesnt help us as society to have kids who arent raised properly or have problems during development.
I think that if you have one abortion, that is fine. Learn your lesson though. We dont want abortions to be a crutch for our stupidity. be responsible and pull out before cumming.
I think that if you have one abortion, that is fine. Learn your lesson though. We dont want abortions to be a crutch for our stupidity. be responsible and pull out before cumming.
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rykertest said:
this is probably incorrect. it's a familiar quote/notion and you'll find various sites outlining an atheist viewpoint which address this quote directly. they'll say that, in fact, there have been atheists in foxholes. and even if there never were any, it couldn't be taken as evidence or proof of anything, save human nature.
jnevbro, i know it's hard, but let it be. i guarantee you will not find satisfaction arguing such things with lestat.
as for this thread, we know the road down which this shit's gonna go. it can hardly fail to do so. i wish we had dudes like imnotduch or ABL or baoh still around to offer their perspectives. juicedpigdick, peace. as a practical matter, i can't see a better way than to forgive yourself and reflect on what that decision did to define you as a person. choices tend to do that. live and maybe even learn (so hard...i suck at it, so this isn't a sermon).
but in any case, i'm not one for forgetting anything.
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My wife and I have had two in our 10 years together.
Both were very early when we were both still in college. My wife is bi-polar so she is always on her meds, and she has been told multiple times that in order to have a baby she needs to be off her meds for the entire duration of the pregnancy. At that point in our lives our relationship was so unstable, we were very immature overall, and not ready for children in any way, shape or form.
Its not a decision I am proud of, however it is not one that I regret either. We made the best choices for both us and our potential children at the time. We both want to be the best parents we can be when it comes time. There were a lot of factors involved in the decision both times.
We are actually talking about having our first child next year, and now I cant wait to be a father and she cant wait to have a baby. I've never been more ready
Both were very early when we were both still in college. My wife is bi-polar so she is always on her meds, and she has been told multiple times that in order to have a baby she needs to be off her meds for the entire duration of the pregnancy. At that point in our lives our relationship was so unstable, we were very immature overall, and not ready for children in any way, shape or form.
Its not a decision I am proud of, however it is not one that I regret either. We made the best choices for both us and our potential children at the time. We both want to be the best parents we can be when it comes time. There were a lot of factors involved in the decision both times.
We are actually talking about having our first child next year, and now I cant wait to be a father and she cant wait to have a baby. I've never been more ready
That is where we disagree.jnevin said:
While I think its wrong to discriminate against people based on race, something NOT in their control, I do think it is ok to discriminate, even ridicule people because of their beliefs. Imagine if someone believed they could cure cancer, and somehow convinced people of it, so much so that they stopped medical treatment, paid this guy whatever money they had, and did yoga and chanting as he prescribed. I would not respect that believe and I would ridicule him to no end. I do the same for someone who is willing to put a sever damper on the most promising medical research in years, because they believe a collection of 150 cells constitutes a soul and sacred life.
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my brother age 36 got a girl prego he wanted to marry her. she said he trapped her or was trying to trap her by having his child.
They been on and off for 3 years .I watched him grab her and throw her across the room by her hair it was the most awful thing I had ever scene I did not talk to him for months on end .He called me up one day crying and said she left him and killed his baby.
I talked with her and her exact words were about like this " fuck him and his god like ego treats me like shit then expects me to stick around 18 yrs with him to raise a kid yea I had a abortion .He is so used to getting his way this is the one thing he could not control and it eats him up "
They are both nuts drink smoke and do drugs the baby would have been a mental head case if not deformed it think it was the right choice no way a child would have been happy growing up in that relationship .
They been on and off for 3 years .I watched him grab her and throw her across the room by her hair it was the most awful thing I had ever scene I did not talk to him for months on end .He called me up one day crying and said she left him and killed his baby.
I talked with her and her exact words were about like this " fuck him and his god like ego treats me like shit then expects me to stick around 18 yrs with him to raise a kid yea I had a abortion .He is so used to getting his way this is the one thing he could not control and it eats him up "
They are both nuts drink smoke and do drugs the baby would have been a mental head case if not deformed it think it was the right choice no way a child would have been happy growing up in that relationship .
Spanky11
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1 chick I had a one nighter with in 1995 had one...I still remember driving her to clinic and afterwards carrying her up the stairs to her apartment...
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to have a 10 year-old child now, but I think at the time it was the right decision to make.
I wouldn't consider it now with my wife.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to have a 10 year-old child now, but I think at the time it was the right decision to make.
I wouldn't consider it now with my wife.
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get456 said:
adoption is pretty simple compared to spending 5 years and thousands of dollars (at least $50,000) out of your own pocket to finally get in vitro twins
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juiceddreadlocks said:
i completly understand how you feel....shit hangs over your head
Wrong bro, I'm not into the personal attacks. Like I've said many times, my family is Christian, Baptist, very devote, I love them very much. I disagree with their beliefs, but I don't degrade them as people.rykertest said:
EVERY civilization has had religion, it appeals to something innate in human beings, I don't fault the individual for it anymore than I would fault someone for liking sex.
I believe that Jesus existed, and is who he said he was. I dont believe the earth is just a few thousand years old. I have a real issue with most fundamentalists.
Yep, no science I know of indicates otherwise. I have a BS in biology. Call me a bad bro, I dont care. I feel for anyone who doesnt have faith in something, no matter what it isLestat said:
As smurfy and others have pointed out, I'm not always the most articulate, or smooth at getting a point across. I wish I was better at it, and I really do not post my thoughts with the intention of just pissing people off, I know that may be hard to believe at times, but its true.jnevin said:
No, do you?Lestat said:
absolutely not. What makes him different than Jesus in your mind though?juiceddreadlocks said:
As Sam Harris says...
I have no doubt that your acceptance of Christ coincided with some very positive changes in your life. Perhaps you regularly feel rapture or bliss while in prayer. I do not wish to denigrate any of these experiences. I would point out, however, that billions of other human beings, in every time and place, have had similar experiences-but they had them while thinking about Krishna, or Allah, or the Buddha, while making art or music, or while contemplating the sheer beauty of nature. There is no question that it is possible for us to have profoundly transformative experiences. And there is no question that it is possible for us to misinterpret these experiences and to further delude ourselves about the nature of the universe.
Yes, what you're talking about is well documented in neuroscience circles. I cant explain things away with science, and I know I dont have all the answers.Lestat said:
I do know that if there's a possible supernatural explanation that seems plausable, I'm going to believe it. The odds are so astronomical that a single chain of amino acids would ever fold into a secondary and tertiary structure that I have to believe somehting at some point caused it. I wrestle with problems like that daily. I think you're a fool if you discount the possiblity of a power higher than you, but it doenst bother me for you to have a dissenting opinion.
To me there is a VERY big difference between considering the possibility of a higher power, and saying with matter of fact certainty that someone walked the earth as the son of "god" and was killed and raised from the dead.juiceddreadlocks said:
One seems fathomably, while the other seems ridiculous.
I cannot say for certain how we got here, who created us, or how we were created.
I feel like people have a yearning to answer that and will go to great lengths to answer that even if it includes deluding themselves. Those are really pressing question, and throw in what happens when we die, and what our purpose for living is and you have a VERY complelling reason to believe in SOMETHING and if you look throughout history you will see familiar patterns in most belief sets.
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imystify
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I considered having one.
so fucking happy I didn't. Its been hard, very, raising her in that mess at first then solo, struggling financially and all that it entails... but those times when she curls up on the couch with me and we snuggle, even in her gothy 12 year old angst phase, makes it totally worth it.
so fucking happy I didn't. Its been hard, very, raising her in that mess at first then solo, struggling financially and all that it entails... but those times when she curls up on the couch with me and we snuggle, even in her gothy 12 year old angst phase, makes it totally worth it.
jnevin
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Lestat said:
Ditto.
And I'm pretty sure you've read my thoughts on religion, it's just that you treat people that believe like second class citizens and constantly try to pick them apart and put them down. It's the same as putting someone down because of their race. You can pull any negative stat on any race and use it to put them down, but it's got nothing to do with the person you attack. Getting on someone because you think they have the ability to change their faith is no better. It's like saying you wouldn't have a problem with blacks if they would only go to another country.
patsfan1379
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imystify said:
This is a great post and a great story. I think it is great you worked through the tough times.
People these days are too quick to avoid challenges. They justify their actions with excuses.
Good for you.
I will do my best to keep it from getting personal.jnevin said:
Again, I do see a huge difference between something racial and religious.
Right now we protect religious rights just as we protect civil rights, but its my belief that this should be re evaluated as I believe by protecting all religious rights we are enabling some very damaging dogma and idealogy to persist.
patsfan1379
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Lots of soulless athiests in here.
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patsfan1379 said:
lol the tough times are still comin... she's a young thing and the boys are circling... must. go. lift. more. lol...
