Who are you guys kidding

[Cardinal Slin]

It honestly is funny that I start a post about anabolic steroids having side effects contrary to what everyone seems to be shouting on this board and you guys come back shouting out that hgh and insulin are anabolic steroids. Then you all finally get convinced they aren't so you change the point of the post 360 degrees.

You all want to believe steroids don't have side effects, that it's fine to use 5 different steroids and what ever else you can be brainwashed with, fine!

It's funny that some of you are arguing facts and statements that I never even mentioned or stated. Perhaps a way for someone to change the angle of the post because they are scared of the truth, perhaps something else.

I'm done with this post. No disrespect to any of you but continue the brainwash. All the doctors, studies and vets in the world are all wrong.

 

[the_alcatraz]

For the record, no one argued that steroids and hormones do not have side effects, offcourse they do, hence the controlled dosages, the PCT and the ai's on the cycle when we advise someone what and how to administer a cycle.

That's why it is a policy to ask about stats and age and years of experience and training before giving advice, and thats why sometimes we send people away because they dnt follow these policies.

What you are claiming is nothing we disagree on. we all know that steroids have very bad side effects, a little exaggerated by medical doctors and the media IMO, but they have really bad side effects and can really hurt you if you're not careful and know what you're doing.

the only thing I have an issue with is the way you said what you said and the means by which you said it. The issue I have is how you labeled EF as a not so intelligent medium and all the nasty things that you said.

Please smarten up and don't do that.

 

[Tatyana]

hormones are hormones and there all considered steroids...atleast most are laws here bunch them into 1 catagory

lolol best of luck with it the tren is where its at! (i did miss the t3 lol)
gh is great with bodyfat but im becoming broke and may not be able to run my gh more then a couple more months which is dissapointing...lol

Erm, no.

There are several classification of steroids, and all hormones are not steroids.

Steroids are fat soluble hormones that are sythesised from cholesterol and includes besides the androgen hormones, oestrogen, progesterone, cortisol, aldosterone, DHEA and vitamin D3

Peptide hormones are made from amino acids, and this includes growth hormone and insulin.

Amine hormones are derived from tyrosine and include the thyroid hormones, adrenaline and noradrenaline.

 

[HAYEZ]

Erm, no.

There are several classification of steroids, and all hormones are not steroids.

Steroids are fat soluble hormones that are sythesised from cholesterol and includes besides the androgen hormones, oestrogen, progesterone, cortisol, aldosterone, DHEA and vitamin D3

Peptide hormones are made from amino acids, and this includes growth hormone and insulin.

Amine hormones are derived from tyrosine and include the thyroid hormones, adrenaline and noradrenaline.

your right im wrong ...i was just talking about hormones that are used for bodybuilding.. when used in bodybuilding and you get in trouble in the us there going to throw it all together as steroids

 

[Tatyana]

Gee why is it I'm not suprised your friends have ended up in mental institutions?

You gotta cool your jets man. Doing a cycle of testosterone isn't as bad as a guy the smokes cigarettes. Yea doing a long cycle of orals can be hard on your liver but that's well known and openly discouraged. The real point of the information on this forum is how to minimize the side effects. I have been here awhile have haven't seen any post that says all steroids are safe and free of side effects.

But then again maybe your just IE and want to save us from ourselves.

I think it depends on the amounts and biochemical/genetic susceptibilities.

Some people will smoke when they are out, some will smoke a cigar every now and then.

Some of you may have a risk factor for a hormone sensitive (read testosterone or GH cancer), some smokers may have risk factors for small oat cell carcinoma.

This isn't black and white.

 

[Big_Joe]

I think it depends on the amounts and biochemical/genetic susceptibilities.

Some people will smoke when they are out, some will smoke a cigar every now and then.

Some of you may have a risk factor for a hormone sensitive (read testosterone or GH cancer), some smokers may have risk factors for small oat cell carcinoma.

This isn't black and white.

What you are saying is true. There are always people that are far away from the mean. Also if one is going to take responsibility for their own bodies they should do things like have a PSA done, for a man of course ( I took mine before I started testosterone and it was 0.4 so I thought I was safe and I'm over 50), other blood tests rarely will give evidence of cancer. A CBC will sometimes show abnormal white counts that could indicate some of the blood cancers but not always. It's actually very difficult to detect cancer with a normal set of blood tests. So if you reach 45-50 you might not want to use hgh. But the point that the poster made was we are all a bunch of idiots that lie to ourselves. I personally would like him to show one post that a person says that all steroids are safe. In other words to back up his mouth. But I know he's not going to do it.

And as far as smoking goes I think it's a filthy disgusting habit and cigars are worse. Did you hear about the guy that thought his wife had stopped smoking cigarettes when he started finding cigar butts around the house?

And my god the grammar of the post you quoted is horrible. I must have been very tired.

 

[Tatyana]

It is so unfortunate that so little research has been done into prostate cancer.

One of my dearest friends in the lab just did her master's degree on trying to improve the screening and diagnosis of prostate cancer using free and total PSA.

You can have a normal PSA and have cancer, you can have an elevated PSA and have a benign condition.

As far as detecting cancer in a blood sample, well, all of the cells of the blood cancers (so leukaemia, lymphoma, myeloma) can be detected.

I do quite a few tumour markers at work, they are not meant to be diagnositic, doctors misuse them all the time, all we do is try to improve their diagnostic ability.


That being said, these markers in combination with biopsy and imaging studies is really all we have.


As far as the post from Cardinal Slin goes, I think he is just concerned for people's well being.


My spelling and sentence structure falls apart when I am tired as well.

 

[big_k]

Insulin = peptide hormone

Testosterone = steroid hormone

OP makes a good point, but I guess his argument is slightly weakened by the fact that he himself has been stacking different substances. Yeah a lot of guys go over the top, and unfortunately many adopt the "more is better" principle.

 

[702daswoll1]

happy thoughts, no need to stir the pot.