Who are you guys kidding

[Cardinal Slin]

I don't know but reading a lot of posts on here it seems there are numerous people on here who love to shout out "nothing wrong with steroids, all the doctors in the world, all the studies in the world are just bull" or "steroids are safe, take this and take that and the side effects (which you just said steroids don't have) will be nullified."

Some small info from another persons thread I posted in.

Everyone on here loves to say steroids do not cause side effects and take substance x to overcome the problems of substance y and take substance b to overcome the problems of susbtance a but have their been any studies on what happens when substance x and a are mixed with y and b or for that matter what to take to overcome sides of x and a?

Why take 500 or 750mgs of test for a first cycle if someone new to the game and more than likely not naturally maxed out can grow off 250mgs.

Why do some people feel the need to use 5 different steroids in a single cycle? KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY/STUPID).

I am no means the master of anything but steroids do have side effects, well researched, well documented so please do not claim otherwise.

1. Everyone is different so if you or 50 people do not suffer sides, does not mean he,she or 50 other people will be the same.

2. Everyone loves to speak about the short terms side effects but no one fully knows the long term side effects. Everyone loves to think if they don't suffer right now, they don't suffer later on.

Is someone going to post up how tren didn't kill or cause cancer in cows or some other steroid on rats...

Just sayin there may just be another side to the story that not everyone likes to believe or really look in to.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Whenever the dangers of something are exaggerated, there tends to be a backlash in the other direction and the dangers become underestimated. Marijuana is a good example.

All drugs have side effects and the more you take , the greater the risk. That's common sense. But don't expect everyone to agree.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Whenever the dangers of something are exaggerated, there tends to be a backlash in the other direction and the dangers become underestimated. Marijuana is a good example.

All drugs have side effects and the more you take , the greater the risk. That's common sense. But don't expect everyone to agree.

Mary Jane is a very good example as I used it for 10 years straight in my younger years. Lucky I got off lightly. It is particularly more harmful/riskful if you take it at a younger age. I have seen friends or friends of friends end up in mental institutions. I always thought it was harmless but my life became weed and lazyness. It took me 4 years to overcome and get back to my old self and get my old perosnality back.

 

[kidd73]

Driving your car to work is statistically the most dangerous thing you do everyday. Yet everyday, without consideration or concern, you get in that car & drive.
I've never read someone say steroids aren't dangerous. I have read that using steroids in moderation is safer than running a gram of test along with 3 other compounds.
This is an AAS forum. We tend to side with the educated folks on here rather than the media or other outside sources.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Driving your car to work is statistically the most dangerous thing you do everyday.

I am assuming this was done on limited criteria because

1: they certainly didn't ask me what I do everyday and

2: I am sure they didn't compare it to someone who takes 5+ grams of cocaine a day or someone who takes anabolic steroids or .....

But yes, for the average, drug free person or person who is sensible with drug use, statistically, you are correct.

Media for sure gives users a bad name but all these studies and reports are wrong? and a number of educated users on here disagree with a number of others.

There is always going to be the test vs. deca crowd, luckily the test guys always win and there are always going to be the low dose vs. high dose crowd with never a clear outcome.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Driving your car to work is statistically the most dangerous thing you do everyday.

Additionally someone who takes weed everyday and smokes a few + joints, sits round at home, stealing off welfare and not working every, well it's not a dangerous life but it's not going to be a very productive one.

Very hard to comparte statistics on such facts

 

[halfcenturian]

I smoked weed for 30 years... AND have been driving for 36.

Often times combining the two.

I have long since given it all up. I don't even drink beer!!!

Steroids ARE dangerous! But if you follow ALL the protocols of AI, BP, PCT, and blood work. You are more likely to die behind the wheel.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Driving your car to work is statistically the most dangerous thing you do everyday. Yet everyday, without consideration or concern, you get in that car & drive.
I've never read someone say steroids aren't dangerous. I have read that using steroids in moderation is safer than running a gram of test along with 3 other compounds.
This is an AAS forum. We tend to side with the educated folks on here rather than the media or other outside sources.

One thing has nothing to do with the other. Life presents risks that we all must take. That doesn't mean that you should ignore taking precautions.

There may be more educated people on the boards, but there are also a lot who don;t know as much as you think.

As Dan Duchaine said; "Just because the AMA was wrong about some things doesn't mean they were wrong about everything. And they know more than we gave them credit for."

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Nelson, who or what is the AMA?

 

[HAYEZ]

I don't know but reading a lot of posts on here it seems there are numerous people on here who love to shout out "nothing wrong with steroids, all the doctors in the world, all the studies in the world are just bull" or "steroids are safe, take this and take that and the side effects (which you just said steroids don't have) will be nullified."

Some small info from another persons thread I posted in.

Everyone on here loves to say steroids do not cause side effects and take substance x to overcome the problems of substance y and take substance b to overcome the problems of susbtance a but have their been any studies on what happens when substance x and a are mixed with y and b or for that matter what to take to overcome sides of x and a?

Why take 500 or 750mgs of test for a first cycle if someone new to the game and more than likely not naturally maxed out can grow off 250mgs.

Why do some people feel the need to use 5 different steroids in a single cycle? KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY/STUPID).

I am no means the master of anything but steroids do have side effects, well researched, well documented so please do not claim otherwise.

1. Everyone is different so if you or 50 people do not suffer sides, does not mean he,she or 50 other people will be the same.

2. Everyone loves to speak about the short terms side effects but no one fully knows the long term side effects. Everyone loves to think if they don't suffer right now, they don't suffer later on.

Is someone going to post up how tren didn't kill or cause cancer in cows or some other steroid on rats...

Just sayin there may just be another side to the story that not everyone likes to believe or really look in to.

in the last little bit of your postings havent you used
sust,tren,hgh,masteron,insulin? not sure if i am forgetting anything

 

[Cardinal Slin]

in the last little bit of your postings havent you used
sust,tren,hgh,masteron,insulin? not sure if i am forgetting anything

LOL

since when did hgh and insulin become steroids?

Oh and I haven't used them since starting my cycle around 10+ weeks back

I will use hgh and insulin post cycle / as a bridge as they don't affect hpta.

I did however start off with Sustanon and masteron until I could get my hands on tren as I had two fakes before getting the real deal with tren (not as easy in my country to obtain stuff as it is in most others, yes even America).

People will never be able to call me out all year long but my posts will never allow them to do that cause I am not one of these guys who need to lie. I say it like I see it brutha

 

[HAYEZ]

LOL

since when did hgh and insulin become steroids?

Oh and I haven't used them since starting my cycle around 10+ weeks back

I will use hgh and insulin post cycle.

Sustanon and masteron until I could get my hands on tren (not as easy in my country to obtain stuff as it is in most others, yes even America).

People can try and call me out all year long but my posts will never allow them to do that cause I am not one of these guys who need to lie. I say it like I see it brutha

they are steroids...lolol..come on dude!!lolol
i was not being negative dont take it that way...i was just saying variety of drugs is great and i see no reason not to mix it up which i was pointing out that you were doing the same! certain compounds do certian things and make the body respond differently... some people say gh tren deca and test is a nono...im almost 6 weeks in now and im holding aboslulety no water and up 14 lbs so far and leaner.... great to mix it up id say!

 

[Cardinal Slin]

they are steroids...lolol..come on dude!!lolol
i was not being negative dont take it that way...i was just saying variety of drugs is great and i see no reason not to mix it up which i was pointing out that you were doing the same! certain compounds do certian things and make the body respond differently... some people say gh tren deca and test is a nono...im almost 6 weeks in now and im holding aboslulety no water and up 14 lbs so far and leaner.... great to mix it up id say!

Bro, technically, medically and chemically, they are not steroids, they are however hormones that can and are used by bodybuilders.

I know you are not being negative... I know your style and you know mine.

We will always agree to disagree in a polite way

My tren and my sustanon (you previously forgot t3 ) is amazing man, simply amazing. I am leaner than ever, bigger than ever and spottier than most but still all worth it.

Can't wait to get on to the hgh to further reduce the bf. I don't think I will use the insulin for a bit. I can get to 8% by end December and that I will

 

[HAYEZ]

Bro, technically, medically and chemically, they are not steroids, they are however hormones that can and are used by bodybuilders.

I know you are not being negative... I know your style and you know mine.

We will always agree to disagree in a polite way

My tren and my sustanon (you previously forgot t3 ) is amazing man, simply amazing. I am leaner than ever, bigger than ever and spottier than most but still all worth it.

Can't wait to get on to the hgh to further reduce the bf. I don't think I will use the insulin for a bit. I can get to 8% by end December and that I will

hormones are hormones and there all considered steroids...atleast most are laws here bunch them into 1 catagory

lolol best of luck with it the tren is where its at! (i did miss the t3 lol)
gh is great with bodyfat but im becoming broke and may not be able to run my gh more then a couple more months which is dissapointing...lol

 

[needtogetaas]

in the last little bit of your postings havent you used
sust,tren,hgh,masteron,insulin? not sure if i am forgetting anything

lmao pwned by himself.

 

[needtogetaas]

LOL

since when did hgh and insulin become steroids?

Oh and I haven't used them since starting my cycle around 10+ weeks back

I will use hgh and insulin post cycle / as a bridge as they don't affect hpta.

I did however start off with Sustanon and masteron until I could get my hands on tren as I had two fakes before getting the real deal with tren (not as easy in my country to obtain stuff as it is in most others, yes even America).

People will never be able to call me out all year long but my posts will never allow them to do that cause I am not one of these guys who need to lie. I say it like I see it brutha

Ya cause I mean lord knows they have way less serious sides then steroids. I mean there is no way you could kill yourself if you fucked these up.

 

[HAYEZ]

Ya cause I mean lord knows they have way less serious sides then steroids. I mean there is no way you could kill yourself if you fucked these up.

lmfao!

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Do we have the two best friends on the board trying to claim hgh and insulin are steroids. Clearly we have people with reading issues.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Ya cause I mean lord knows they have way less serious sides then steroids. I mean there is no way you could kill yourself if you fucked these up.

Ya cause I mean lord knows caffeine and other drugs are equally as safe and have way less serious sides than steroids. I mean there is no way you could kill yourself if you fucked up caffeine, ephedrine, alcohol, tobacco not to mention a whole host of other legal drugs.

 

[HAYEZ]

Do we have the two best friends on the board trying to claim hgh and insulin are steroids. Clearly we have people with reading issues.

LMFAO... besides the fact there both hormones....

 

[Cardinal Slin]

LMFAO... besides the fact there both hormones....

Since when did anyone say they were not hormones?

I said steroids, you read steroids then you pointed out insulin and gh which are you post cycle as a bridge, simply because they do not have an issue and contradict restarting of the hpta to get natural test back.

So honestly, I don't know why you are lyfao other than the fact because you are trying to claim hgh and insulin are steroids (aas) just because they are classified the same... That's akin to sayin cocaine, oxy and steroids are the same kind of drugs in some countries because the law classifies them as the same band/category of drug.

I spose you guys go round telling people who use cocaine, tobacco and so on that they shouldn't use steroids because they have side effects and then they drop to their knees and praise you for your great, prompt, medical advice

LOL

 

[wolfman87]

not trying to start anything here believe me, but isn't insulin one of the most dangerous things to inject into your body (in the bodybuilding world)? i mean you really gotta know your shit to get that right (props). with diabetes being the first thing that comes to mind and then death if you mess it up, PERSONALLY i would say it's more dangerous than any single steroid except for tren possibly. just my humble opinion.

that being said, everyone here knows steroids are dangerous and that's what led them here in the first place, to gain knowledge so they can prevent the known harmful effects.

on behalf of everyone here i want to thank you for bringing this up and not letting us forget that what we choose to do is dangerous and should not be taken lightly.

it's refreshing and a good change of pace!

 

[Big_Joe]

Mary Jane is a very good example as I used it for 10 years straight in my younger years. Lucky I got off lightly. It is particularly more harmful/riskful if you take it at a younger age. I have seen friends or friends of friends end up in mental institutions. I always thought it was harmless but my life became weed and lazyness. It took me 4 years to overcome and get back to my old self and get my old perosnality back.

Gee why is it I'm not suprised your friends have ended up in mental institutions?

You gotta cool your jets man. Doing a cycle of testosterone isn't as bad as a guy the smokes cigarettes. Yea doing a long cycle of orals can be hard on your liver but that's well known and openly discouraged. The real point of the information on this forum is how to minimize the side effects. I have been here awhile have haven't seen any post that says all steroids are safe and free of side effects.

But then again maybe your just IE and want to save us from ourselves.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Honestly, the replies to this thread say everything. Insulin is the most dangerous thing to inject in to your body? GH and Insulin are now classified as anabolic steroids? Anything that causes side effects are anabolic steroids....

Enjoy it all. Steroids are safe and good for you use 1000mgs of test for your first cycle, do what ever because it's now very clear that everyone is brain dead.

Insulin is the most dangerous thing, WTF

 

[the_alcatraz]

LOL

since when did hgh and insulin become steroids?
Oh and I haven't used them since starting my cycle around 10+ weeks back

I will use hgh and insulin post cycle / as a bridge as they don't affect hpta.

I did however start off with Sustanon and masteron until I could get my hands on tren as I had two fakes before getting the real deal with tren (not as easy in my country to obtain stuff as it is in most others, yes even America).

People will never be able to call me out all year long but my posts will never allow them to do that cause I am not one of these guys who need to lie. I say it like I see it brutha

Since umm....the begining of time?

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Honestly...

Guys, I mean no disrespect but this post has showed me the level of knowledge on this forum. It is clearly the blind leading the blind.

I am now going to stick to the chat board as many of the old school vets have done or moved on to other places.

I was around here in 2000, I was a mod here and I left on my own good will. Now I see why. Insulin and hgh is an anabolic steroid? Insulin and hgh are aas cause they have side effects as well as aas. Insulin is the most dangerous thing alive.

Best of luck to you all and I mean that sincerely. I have had enough PMs/karma messages from the knowledgable guys tellin me to give up postin stuff like this...

I see why now.

Be well, train hard, train good and inject 3000000mgs of test and grow! It's Safe

 

[the_alcatraz]

Cardinal, if you think people on aas do not meet your intelligence level, you can always leave to other boards where the intellectual level "according to you" is higher :sarcastic:

I'm sure we're all below your IQ level...and EVERYONE here knows nothing about aas...except you

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Dude, just ban me instead of sending me threats.

I have never offended anyone but if you all care to laugh at me because you all believe insulin and hgh are anabolic androgenic steroids, I will not just ignore it. If you feel I am out of line by correcting you all, honestly ban me.

So many members left here back in the early 2000's because of all the claimed knowledge being posted by 16 year olds including the founding mods of the board.

I speak what I see, I speak the truth. Seriously, just ban me if you are upset cause I state a fact that 3 people seem to negate in this thread.

 

[HAYEZ]

Dude, just ban me instead of sending me threats.

I have never offended anyone but if you all care to laugh at me because you all believe insulin and hgh are anabolic androgenic steroids, I will not just ignore it. If you feel I am out of line by correcting you all, honestly ban me.

So many members left here back in the early 2000's because of all the claimed knowledge being posted by 16 year olds including the founding mods of the board.

I speak what I see, I speak the truth. Seriously, just ban me if you are upset cause I state a fact that 3 people seem to negate in this thread.

WOW...bit grumpy today i see

 

[Juicin]

hGH and insulin are NOT steroids. They are peptide hormones non of which contain a sterane nucleus. They are translated from DNA. Nonetheless that does not make them any safer than any other aas. IMO they are more dangerous. On GH ur body is in ketosis while glycemia is high and your cells will not respond to insulin. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY DIABETES. After prolonged time in this state you are likely to become diabetic.

I dont think its worth the risk unless you are a pro body builder but everyone in the end is going to do what they want anyway

 

[kidd73]

Dude, just ban me instead of sending me threats.

I have never offended anyone but if you all care to laugh at me because you all believe insulin and hgh are anabolic androgenic steroids, I will not just ignore it. If you feel I am out of line by correcting you all, honestly ban me.

So many members left here back in the early 2000's because of all the claimed knowledge being posted by 16 year olds including the founding mods of the board.

I speak what I see, I speak the truth. Seriously, just ban me if you are upset cause I state a fact that 3 people seem to negate in this thread.

Geez bro. I've never seen such similarity between someone's posts & their avatar before. Kinda scary. I think all those substances you're on have affected your ability to engage in a stable debate. Best of luck on the chat boards.

 

[ceo]

Insulin and HGH are NOT Anabolic Steroids. Period. Never have been, never will be...till the end of time.

Not the same class, not the same mechanism of action, nothing.

Look shit up (in a credible source like the PDR) before you start trying to argue this.

 

[HAYEZ]

Insulin and HGH are NOT Anabolic Steroids. Period. Never have been, never will be...till the end of time.

Not the same class, not the same mechanism of action, nothing.

Look shit up (in a credible source like the PDR) before you start trying to argue this.

in my post i was referring to our laws throwing any hormone into the same steroid group. seems any hormone being used for bodybuilding purposes are labled steroids law wise

 

[needtogetaas]

hGH and insulin are NOT steroids. They are peptide hormones non of which contain a sterane nucleus. They are translated from DNA. Nonetheless that does not make them any safer than any other aas. IMO they are more dangerous. On GH ur body is in ketosis while glycemia is high and your cells will not respond to insulin. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY DIABETES. After prolonged time in this state you are likely to become diabetic.

I dont think its worth the risk unless you are a pro body builder but everyone in the end is going to do what they want anyway

Thank you. This is what I have been saying. man coming in calling everyone dumb asses and saying we are all dumb asses because aas has side effects yet he is blasting out gh and insulin cycles needs to just stfu.

Sitting here acting like this fucking board does not way on the side of caution enough or something?

I mean wtf are you even saying now slin you all over the place in this thread just grasping for anything. Talking shit about every one and everything.

Ya you found a point and held onto it like a drowning bitch in a river. Insulin and GH are not steroids big fucking deal. Thats not why you made this thread yet its all you got to hold onto right now. In every other aspect of this thread you look like a fucking fool. You have made no points to any one and helped no one.

It seems like your only point to this thread was to be an asshole. Please for the love of fucking god make a point bro. WTF is your point? That you look like a dumb ass right now?

Normally I would ban a dumb ass like you right now. Normally I would not get down to your kid shit level and act like a child but I guess for tonight I will give you a cahnce to turn this around and make a real point.

 

[needtogetaas]

I don't know but reading a lot of posts on here it seems there are numerous people on here who love to shout out "nothing wrong with steroids, all the doctors in the world, all the studies in the world are just bull" or "steroids are safe, take this and take that and the side effects (which you just said steroids don't have) will be nullified."
Yes we all know they have sides. We are all well aware of them. Even you who sits here taken shit like gh and slin know the sides and still take them. You have made a choice and so have others. I have never seen some one say that there are no sides to aas on this board. Thiis board is on the side of caution more then any board I have ever seen. So wtf kind of point you trying to make?
Some small info from another persons thread I posted in.

Everyone on here loves to say steroids do not cause side effects and take substance x to overcome the problems of substance y and take substance b to overcome the problems of susbtance a but have their been any studies on what happens when substance x and a are mixed with y and b or for that matter what to take to overcome sides of x and a?
Ya and? I don't see you stopping your use of aas any fucking time soon bro. Your bitching but your taking shit that has even more side effects. Side effects that can be even more dangerous. Your a god dame hypocrite in its most truest form.

Please enlighten use you o so smart mother fucker. What should we all do. Should we all do what you do? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking wait we are all doing the same as you - the the gh and slin which can kill you with in days if you fuck it up.

Are you the man taking aas,slin and gh ready to lead us all into the light of no sides and shit? STFU bitch
Why take 500 or 750mgs of test for a first cycle if someone new to the game and more than likely not naturally maxed out can grow off 250mgs.

Is this your big problem? the difference of 250mg to 500mg OOOOOOOOOOOO fucking please tell me you are not telling people this board is shit over 250mg of fucking test bro. Please tell me you have more then this. There is 100 people who say take over 500mg of test on other boards for your first cycle. Is that 250mg going to kill some one? Is it going to give that much more sides then 250Mg please tell me your not trying to drive this little bitch ass point home. Please tell me you are not acting like a girl over 250mg of test bro.

Can some one grow of 250mg of test. Yes. I think more then enough people on this board have made the point that yes some one can. You sittting here acting like a
hurt little school girl over the people (the few that we have) saying a first cycle should be 500mg is just plan pathetic bro.
Why do some people feel the need to use 5 different steroids in a single cycle? KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY/STUPID).
Same reason you dumb ass feels that he need to use gh and slin to reach his goals!!!!!!!! there mother fucker put that in your fucking pipe and fucking smoke it cunt!!!!
I am no means the master of anything but steroids do have side effects, well researched, well documented so please do not claim otherwise.No one ever claimed they don't asshole

1. Everyone is different so if you or 50 people do not suffer sides, does not mean he,she or 50 other people will be the same. O my fucking god ans intelligent thought came out of your ass.

No shit but your trying to tell us all that we should all conform to your cookie cutter ways I though?????????

2. Everyone loves to speak about the short terms side effects but no one fully knows the long term side effects. Everyone loves to think if they don't suffer right now, they don't suffer later on. Ya call me in a few years when your slin and gh use leaves you with a big jaw and no kidneys!!! Long term effects my god bro stfu already.

Is someone going to post up how tren didn't kill or cause cancer in cows or some other steroid on rats...

I hope you post something worth reading. Your shits worthless
Just sayin there may just be another side to the story that not everyone likes to believe or really look in to.

Ya same for you god of aas and god of the steroid internet.

 

[cuts82]

Ya same for you god of aas and god of the steroid internet.

haha owned!

 

[REFORMATA]

wow needto...i mean...can i be on your side please..thanks...lol

i sortof feel bad for slin....but man, seriously, like needto said..okay. we know slin and gh arent androgenics. sweeeeet cherry pie. now, what else is it you want everyone to know before you get crucified?

I mean bro needto has an excellent point...WHAT IS YOUR POINT???!!!

and please pretty fucking please make it better than high dosages.....

 

[EPROM]

After reading all of these posts I have come to the conclusion that if I smoke pot, use steroids, drink beer and drive my car to work .....I'm pretty much fucked.

Birdman

P.S. Hey! Is there a med or something I can take that can reverse all of this?

 

[wolfman87]

lol he jumped everyone's ass for nothing. even when i asked a question he took it the wrong way like he just wanted to start a fight. i hope he was just having a bad day on the sauce. i never had a problem with him personally...

 

[sensational]

<3 threads that argue for the sake of arguing lol.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

It honestly is funny that I start a post about anabolic steroids having side effects contrary to what everyone seems to be shouting on this board and you guys come back shouting out that hgh and insulin are anabolic steroids. Then you all finally get convinced they aren't so you change the point of the post 360 degrees.

You all want to believe steroids don't have side effects, that it's fine to use 5 different steroids and what ever else you can be brainwashed with, fine!

It's funny that some of you are arguing facts and statements that I never even mentioned or stated. Perhaps a way for someone to change the angle of the post because they are scared of the truth, perhaps something else.

I'm done with this post. No disrespect to any of you but continue the brainwash. All the doctors, studies and vets in the world are all wrong.

 

[the_alcatraz]

For the record, no one argued that steroids and hormones do not have side effects, offcourse they do, hence the controlled dosages, the PCT and the ai's on the cycle when we advise someone what and how to administer a cycle.

That's why it is a policy to ask about stats and age and years of experience and training before giving advice, and thats why sometimes we send people away because they dnt follow these policies.

What you are claiming is nothing we disagree on. we all know that steroids have very bad side effects, a little exaggerated by medical doctors and the media IMO, but they have really bad side effects and can really hurt you if you're not careful and know what you're doing.

the only thing I have an issue with is the way you said what you said and the means by which you said it. The issue I have is how you labeled EF as a not so intelligent medium and all the nasty things that you said.

Please smarten up and don't do that.

 

[Tatyana]

hormones are hormones and there all considered steroids...atleast most are laws here bunch them into 1 catagory

lolol best of luck with it the tren is where its at! (i did miss the t3 lol)
gh is great with bodyfat but im becoming broke and may not be able to run my gh more then a couple more months which is dissapointing...lol

Erm, no.

There are several classification of steroids, and all hormones are not steroids.

Steroids are fat soluble hormones that are sythesised from cholesterol and includes besides the androgen hormones, oestrogen, progesterone, cortisol, aldosterone, DHEA and vitamin D3

Peptide hormones are made from amino acids, and this includes growth hormone and insulin.

Amine hormones are derived from tyrosine and include the thyroid hormones, adrenaline and noradrenaline.

 

[HAYEZ]

Erm, no.

There are several classification of steroids, and all hormones are not steroids.

Steroids are fat soluble hormones that are sythesised from cholesterol and includes besides the androgen hormones, oestrogen, progesterone, cortisol, aldosterone, DHEA and vitamin D3

Peptide hormones are made from amino acids, and this includes growth hormone and insulin.

Amine hormones are derived from tyrosine and include the thyroid hormones, adrenaline and noradrenaline.

your right im wrong ...i was just talking about hormones that are used for bodybuilding.. when used in bodybuilding and you get in trouble in the us there going to throw it all together as steroids

 

[Tatyana]

Gee why is it I'm not suprised your friends have ended up in mental institutions?

You gotta cool your jets man. Doing a cycle of testosterone isn't as bad as a guy the smokes cigarettes. Yea doing a long cycle of orals can be hard on your liver but that's well known and openly discouraged. The real point of the information on this forum is how to minimize the side effects. I have been here awhile have haven't seen any post that says all steroids are safe and free of side effects.

But then again maybe your just IE and want to save us from ourselves.

I think it depends on the amounts and biochemical/genetic susceptibilities.

Some people will smoke when they are out, some will smoke a cigar every now and then.

Some of you may have a risk factor for a hormone sensitive (read testosterone or GH cancer), some smokers may have risk factors for small oat cell carcinoma.

This isn't black and white.

 

[Big_Joe]

I think it depends on the amounts and biochemical/genetic susceptibilities.

Some people will smoke when they are out, some will smoke a cigar every now and then.

Some of you may have a risk factor for a hormone sensitive (read testosterone or GH cancer), some smokers may have risk factors for small oat cell carcinoma.

This isn't black and white.

What you are saying is true. There are always people that are far away from the mean. Also if one is going to take responsibility for their own bodies they should do things like have a PSA done, for a man of course ( I took mine before I started testosterone and it was 0.4 so I thought I was safe and I'm over 50), other blood tests rarely will give evidence of cancer. A CBC will sometimes show abnormal white counts that could indicate some of the blood cancers but not always. It's actually very difficult to detect cancer with a normal set of blood tests. So if you reach 45-50 you might not want to use hgh. But the point that the poster made was we are all a bunch of idiots that lie to ourselves. I personally would like him to show one post that a person says that all steroids are safe. In other words to back up his mouth. But I know he's not going to do it.

And as far as smoking goes I think it's a filthy disgusting habit and cigars are worse. Did you hear about the guy that thought his wife had stopped smoking cigarettes when he started finding cigar butts around the house?

And my god the grammar of the post you quoted is horrible. I must have been very tired.

 

[Tatyana]

It is so unfortunate that so little research has been done into prostate cancer.

One of my dearest friends in the lab just did her master's degree on trying to improve the screening and diagnosis of prostate cancer using free and total PSA.

You can have a normal PSA and have cancer, you can have an elevated PSA and have a benign condition.

As far as detecting cancer in a blood sample, well, all of the cells of the blood cancers (so leukaemia, lymphoma, myeloma) can be detected.

I do quite a few tumour markers at work, they are not meant to be diagnositic, doctors misuse them all the time, all we do is try to improve their diagnostic ability.


That being said, these markers in combination with biopsy and imaging studies is really all we have.


As far as the post from Cardinal Slin goes, I think he is just concerned for people's well being.


My spelling and sentence structure falls apart when I am tired as well.

 

[big_k]

Insulin = peptide hormone

Testosterone = steroid hormone

OP makes a good point, but I guess his argument is slightly weakened by the fact that he himself has been stacking different substances. Yeah a lot of guys go over the top, and unfortunately many adopt the "more is better" principle.

 

[702daswoll1]

happy thoughts, no need to stir the pot.