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I don't see a FAQ or "Getting Started Guide" so I was wondering what websites you recommend for the noobie. Thanks.
Where to start reading?
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ryno9000
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ceo said:
Agreed. BUT, since I think you want to learn about AAS in general anyway, and I support your efforts to learn before you do, then there are some places to start ***************
Bodybuilding - A Compilation of Anabolic and Nutritional Supplements (Steroids) - eBook (1)
Mick Hart - Laymans.Guide.to.Steroids.2
ebook - bodybuilding - Chemical Muscle Enhancement (steroids)
These compliment each other well. What one book lacks, one of the others does a better job explaining etc. Its your first chance to experience aas synergy haha.
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Skinny Ninja
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^Thanks guys, I think I'm leaning towards HGH actually.
youngbuck22
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Read the stickies first, and then read youll learn lots here
leaning towards hgh huh?
how old are you? how long you been training? how long you been training seriously? what are your goals? height/weight? diet? .............
You want advice on drugs/hormones from us, you've got a few questions to answer first, and probably some more after that.
how old are you? how long you been training? how long you been training seriously? what are your goals? height/weight? diet? .............
You want advice on drugs/hormones from us, you've got a few questions to answer first, and probably some more after that.
Skinny Ninja
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^ok cool thanks.
-27 y/o
-6'0"
-183-185 lbs
-9 months of weight lifting
Diet
Always eating protein. Mainly steaks. Sometimes chicken. Esp before and after workout. Protein shake either before or after workout (it usually makes my tummy hurt). I'm done bulking but I still add carbs after my workout.
I've gone from 150 to 185 (most of that happened in the first few months though. I've plateued) because I started eating lots. Only a small gut.
GOAL
-I'd like to be able to train 5 days a week without being so sore. I need the faster muscle recovery. I do martial arts and would like for it not to interfere with my weight training and vice a versa.
-I want lower bodyfat (I haven't been doing cardio and now i just started so this will help)
-I'd like to gain a little lean muscle mass but I'm not trying to be 200 lbs.
-27 y/o
-6'0"
-183-185 lbs
-9 months of weight lifting
Diet
Always eating protein. Mainly steaks. Sometimes chicken. Esp before and after workout. Protein shake either before or after workout (it usually makes my tummy hurt). I'm done bulking but I still add carbs after my workout.
I've gone from 150 to 185 (most of that happened in the first few months though. I've plateued) because I started eating lots. Only a small gut.
GOAL
-I'd like to be able to train 5 days a week without being so sore. I need the faster muscle recovery. I do martial arts and would like for it not to interfere with my weight training and vice a versa.
-I want lower bodyfat (I haven't been doing cardio and now i just started so this will help)
-I'd like to gain a little lean muscle mass but I'm not trying to be 200 lbs.
Mavafanculo
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swole said:
(<- protein shakes)
Chocolate_Thunder
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Good job with ASKING where to search for information instead of just buying some gear, not knowing what to do and then asking "how would I use this"? 
thebadguy54
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Skinny Ninja said:
You’ve only been weight training for 9 months bro. What is your hurry?
All of your goals can be obtained without gear. All you need is a little persistence.
I trained for 15 years without gear. I'm three inches shorter than you and after 5-6 years of training I was over 200lbs. with abs.
I don't know if the other guys on this board agree, but you don't need roids to do what you want to do IMO.
Skinny Ninja
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^I've hit a major plateau. I've changed up my routine, taken time off, nothing helps. I want to be able to do martial arts and not have it impede my muscle growth.
HGH seems really expensive though.
Thank you very much for the platinum membership! I will use it.
HGH seems really expensive though.
Thank you very much for the platinum membership! I will use it.
Skinny Ninja said:
Yup, agree with the others that you most definitely don't need drugs to reach your goals. These are very modest. How many grams of protein you getting per day? Shoot for at least 2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
Want to lower bodyfat and just gain lean mass? Do cardio in the morning, low intensity, like a brisk walk for 45 minutes or more. Make sure you're only getting low GI carbs except for post WO. Cutoff carbs at like 6pm (only exception is if your workout is later than this). Increase fats (good fats like olive, flax, fish oils). Find a good green tea extract and start taking it. You want to take the equivelent of 10-12 cups GT.
What's your training like? You've only been training 9 months so you haven't scratched the surface of various training models out there. Go to the training and weight lifting forum and read the training info sticky at teh top. Check out the 5x5 program. You need a program that focuses on progression in the basic compound lifts. You will need to keep a logbook. If you follow the links you will find spreadsheets on madcow's site. It makes it very easy to follow and progress. Read, read, read!
Another thing is, your body grows the most when you first start training. You could've been doing anything and grown these first 9 months. Now you've got a base and your body likes where it's at. It will be fighting you because this is it's "happy weight" - it will try to maintain this homeostasis. You will most likely need to push it quite a bit to break beyond. I've noticed that I tend to gain weight in spurts. I might stay the same weight for 6 months to a year then BAM...gain 10 lbs. in no time. All the while though I was eating like I was already that bigger guy. I was stuck at 210 for over a year, kinda got comfortable and forgot about eating like a madman (also busy schedule, etc.). I started eating like a 250-270 lb'er and I gained 10 lbs. Now I am starting to eat like a 300 lb'er!
In summary, eat more protein and get on a good training program.
IronmanLV
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Skinny Ninja said:
I recommend you train naturally for 3 - 5 yrs before taking gear. 9 months ain't shit. It takes at least a year or two just to learn proper form and what works for you. Once you have your training and nutrition spot on then maybe consider GH or AAS or both.
Also I hate to tell you this but MMA and bodybuilding are like saying I want to be a greyhound and a pitbull, 2 different animals. You can be an MMA guy who lifts weights to improve power and strength and I definitely recommend it, but it's very rare for an MMA guy to have the build of a bodybuilder with a few rare exceptions and most of those guys look great but usually get their heads handed to them in the ring.
So I suggest picking whichever is the most important to you and pursue that dream and if MMA is your thing do it while you're still young enough, you can always move to bodybuilding later.
Well that's my $.02 on the topic.
Skinny Ninja
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I'm not trying to look like a bodybuilder. I want to be more defined and a little more mass than I have now, sure.
I started off with the 5x5, and only focussed on compound lifts...and still mainly do.
I'm so sick and tired of being sore all the time. It's harder for me to focus on work and things when I'm so sore. That plus I doubt my muscles have recovered from mondays workout, and I'm going to train jiu jitsu, and it might even set me back a little bit because maybe my muscles haven't recovered.
I believe you all 100% when you say I can reach my physical goals without gear. I've been training martial arts for a long time, and I'm tired of being so damn sore all the time. This will help my muscles recoup faster and make my workouts more meaningful.
I started off with the 5x5, and only focussed on compound lifts...and still mainly do.
I'm so sick and tired of being sore all the time. It's harder for me to focus on work and things when I'm so sore. That plus I doubt my muscles have recovered from mondays workout, and I'm going to train jiu jitsu, and it might even set me back a little bit because maybe my muscles haven't recovered.
I believe you all 100% when you say I can reach my physical goals without gear. I've been training martial arts for a long time, and I'm tired of being so damn sore all the time. This will help my muscles recoup faster and make my workouts more meaningful.
Skinny Ninja said:
If you started with the 5x5, there's no way you're lifting 5 days a week. If you are, you're not doing the 5x5 (you're doing it wrong). Sounds lik eyou are overtraining. Why don't you post up all the different training you are doing and why? You will not gain ifyou are overtraining...you will begin to lose muscle actually.
IronmanLV
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Skinny Ninja said:
If you are that sore all of the time then you need to re-evaluate your training and back it down a bit. Drugs aren't going to make that go away. The most likely cause is over training. The only cure for that is to back it down a bit not drugs and it takes quite a while for GH to have any noticeable effect. Not to mention the cost.
No offense intended here but I just have to say...What annoys me the most on AAS boards is guys like you pretending you're seeking advice from those of us who have been around the game for a while. When we don't subscribe to your reasons for wanting to take gear then you try to justify and ignore our advice because it's not the answers you want to hear. Why bother even asking our advice? It sounds as if you're already decided you're going to use the stuff then don't waste any more time get it ordered and get on with it.
Best of luck and I hope it all works out for you. In the future though just do us all a favor and don't bother asking for advice if you aren't prepared to follow it.
Skinny Ninja
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IronmanLV said:
I see where you're coming from and sorry for having annoyed you but when someone asked for my stats and regimine I was expecting them to recommend gear that would suit my needs. lol. I wasn't expecting it to be a question of whether I need it or not.
To be perfectly honest, I haven't made up my mind completely and if HGH is too expensive, I probably won't even bother to use testosterone. I'll just be like fuckit and just workout less.
But it will almost immediately reduce the soreness, right?
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NoGainWithoutPain
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Bro, im a newbie to and these guys have givin you some great enough im just reading up on it... awesome board...
Skinny Ninja said:
I asked your stats and goals to determine whether you needed gear or not. You have VERY modest goals that are EASILY achievable WITHOUT gear. You sound like you just want to be LAZY and waste money taking an unnecessary cycle(s) of HGH or steroids. Tsk, tsk.
Skinny Ninja said:
HGH is expensive. The days of cheap UG HGH are gone (even then it wasn't "cheap").
Skinny Ninja said:
No. You've been told what to do over and over, why the fuck are you still here arguing? 9 months is NOTHING! Jesus! You say you hit a plateau and have tried changing your routine and taking time off but "nothing" works. Well you haven't tried "everything". It's normal to hit a plateau after 9 months and gaining 30 lbs. Like I said in an earlier post, you need to eat more.
Fuck, everything you need to know for now to gain another 15 lbs. is all right here in this thread. It won't happen (naturally) in 12 weeks though. But, if you manage to dial it in and learn your body very quickly, you may gain that 15 lbs in another 6-12 months. That wouldn't be too bad huh?
Now, you gonna post up your routine? How many days are you training? Everything, weights, cardio, martial arts, etc.?
Skinny Ninja
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Monday:
(In the gym working upper-body.)
Incline BP 3 sets and 9 reps.
V Pullups (no weight) 2 sets and 7 reps
Dips (no weight, but going all the way down) 2 sets 9 reps
Rev. Lat Pulldowns 2 sets 13 reps
Bicep Curls 2 sets, 7 reps and 4 reps
Tuesday:
Squats 3x7,9,7
Situps 3x10
Calf Raises 2x7
Weds: Jiu Jitsu
Thurs: off
Friday: I would lift weights and go to jiu jitsu but since i'm probably over training I'll just do jiu jitsu.
Sat: off
Sun: off
(In the gym working upper-body.)
Incline BP 3 sets and 9 reps.
V Pullups (no weight) 2 sets and 7 reps
Dips (no weight, but going all the way down) 2 sets 9 reps
Rev. Lat Pulldowns 2 sets 13 reps
Bicep Curls 2 sets, 7 reps and 4 reps
Tuesday:
Squats 3x7,9,7
Situps 3x10
Calf Raises 2x7
Weds: Jiu Jitsu
Thurs: off
Friday: I would lift weights and go to jiu jitsu but since i'm probably over training I'll just do jiu jitsu.
Sat: off
Sun: off
Skinny Ninja said:
That's not the 5x5. I don't see a back thickness exercise in there (like deadlifts). I would probably break up the mon-tues to mon-wed, or sat-mon.
I would think 3 days of weight training could be done even with jiu jitsu, but I'm not sure what all you're doing in jiu jitsu.
I do know that there's a guy on intensemuscle doing DC training 3 days a week who is also a wrestler (semi-pro or whatever). He travels a lot, lives out of hotels, always has to do his wrestling practices. He says it is much less taxing on him doing DC than when he was doing volume training...and DC is NOT a light weight program. It's also not for beginners, so I wouldn't recommend it to you.
I'd go with the 5x5 - as it is laid out, without changing anything. Or, try HST. That might be a good way for you to go too. Just don't go changing the program you do get on. It's too soon for you to do that.
