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the jungle?
Gee, I can't wait until GJohnson's reply to this thread. I'm sure it will be enlightening 
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juicedmohawk said:
Mmmmm you can find me in St. Louie
Where the gun play ring all day (nanana)
Some got jobs and some sell yea'
Others just smoke and fuck all day
I'm from the home of Red Fox, Ced the Entertainer
Jettin off with Brian Cox, I'll see ya later
Maybe not cuz I got somethin hot
In the Navigata, waitin in the parkin lot
A Bad Boy, on a Ryde Ruff-er than The LOX
I keep 'em both cocked, need her ass the bring it
Now tell me boys have ya seen her
Have you seen her, nine millimeter
Makin niggas believas
Hop out the two seater, now vocab wife beater
Levi's fresh from the cleaners
Heavy starch with the cuff
Like fuck it leave it to beaver
Catch me in the galleria, plaza, chest of phia
Rollin down handly hills
In a black sedan and ???
I used to love it when hit me for a rocker
Maybe a boppa, i kept it propa
A non-stopa, around the clocka
Now its cool pull up the bends and helicopta
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fuck you samote
juicedmohawk said:
Mmmmm, you can find me, in st. louis rollin on dubs
Smokin on dubs in clubs, blowin up like cocoa puffs
Sippin bud, gettin perved and getting dubbed
Daps and hugs, mean mugs and shoulder shrugs
And it's all because, 'ccumulated enough stretch
Just to navigate it, wood decorated on chrome
And it's candy painted, fans fainted - while i'm entertainin
Wild ain't it? how me and money end up hangin
I hang with hannibal lector (hot shit!) so feel me when i bring it
Sing it loud (what?) i'm from the lou' and i'm proud
Run a mile - for the cause, i'm righteous above the law
Playa my style's raw, i'm "born to mack" like todd shaw
Forget the fame, and the glamour
Give me d's wit a rubber hammer
My grammar be's ebonics, gin tonic and chronic
Fuck bionic it's ironic, slammin niggaz like onyx
Lunatics til the day i die
I run more game than the bulls and sonics
Yarg!
Platinum Membership gift from THE BOMB SQUAD!
From the arm pit of some French tranny! Its so funny, my friend who is a really cool guy, but will pull a Jesse Jackson if you make fun of Black people (he himself is black), consider hating on Rap to be racist. I am like "Dude, you don't fucking listen to Chinese Opera and I couldn't give two shits." So he shut up.
If you consider rap and hip hop the same thing, then it began in the Bronx in the early 70's. Hip hop incorporated four main aspects-- MCing, DJing, graffiti, and breakdancing.
By definition, hip hop is dead, but most consider it an ever evolving culture.
IMO, it peaked in the early to mid 90's and has since lost an identity. Most of the albums today suck but there's a "gentleman's movement" on the way that should be solid.
By definition, hip hop is dead, but most consider it an ever evolving culture.
IMO, it peaked in the early to mid 90's and has since lost an identity. Most of the albums today suck but there's a "gentleman's movement" on the way that should be solid.
Chorus (MC Plátano and MC Statutory alternating)
Understand this; from Hoboken to Yale campus
Two brothers by the name of Mr. Hernandez
Repeat 4x
Verse 2 (MC Statutory)
My mother's very blessed to have had two perfect organisms
One son goes to Yale, and the other's here recordin' with him
Lyrical contortionism, MC Statutory
I'll smack you back and forth with metaphors and allegories
Assassin; so when I start rappin'
you'd better hasten to get your fuckin' seatbelts fastened
My shit is omnipotent, omniscient, and everlasting
The last thing I said was hot but after that I'm past it
On to the next line, my rhymes are fantastic
I don't got time to lie or be sarcastic
I speak the truth: my shit's real and that's it
Your girl sucks my dick and then she puts on some chapstick
I'm the greatest rapper ever since Biggie died
I'm biggie-sized, like some fuckin' biggie fries
I will infect you in and out just like a rusty cut
And if you're disrespectful, in your mouth I'll bust a crusty nut
My flow's regular but I still bring an edge to the game
You'd better get into the habit of respecting my name
I'm not clownin'; this brown man will put you on the ground
and beat you down worse than Rodney when they first found him
And you'll desperately be needing an extra strength
Not to mention some testosterone for strengthening your estrogen
Chorus
Verse 3 (MC Plátano and MC Statutory alternating)
P: This shit's atrocious; here's the motherfucking diagnosis
I'm fillin' your girl with more cream than Hostess
S: I may be new to this game, but I still know what I'm doin'
That's due to my name, it's the Hernandez influence
P: Yo, see me rockin' street clothes, eatin' emcees like Cheetos
Defeat foes automatically like shootin' free throws
S: I'm unstoppably diabolic, call the cops, I'm volatile
You'll be moppin' and sloppin' up your vomit at the hospital
P: Yo, follow me as I take you on this verbal Odyssey
Ain't no one as hot as me, I'm just the fuckin' god MC
S: You're just a wannabe, honestly, it kind of bothers me
That your shit's as fake as Canada's economy
P: Yo, you wanna attack the kid? I'm immaculate
I'll smack your chick, leave that bitch covered in my ejaculate
S: I'll smack you with my right hand or my left: I'm ambidextrous
And then I'll pile your body on the rest like it was Tetris
P: Yo, when the camera's on, I'm flowin' like the Amazon River
Make your mom shiver's what this grammar's gon' give her
S: It's MC Statutory, attackin', yo, I'm dominant
you Can't touch me like I was milk and you're lactose intolerant
Chorus
Understand this; from Hoboken to Yale campus
Two brothers by the name of Mr. Hernandez
Repeat 4x
Verse 2 (MC Statutory)
My mother's very blessed to have had two perfect organisms
One son goes to Yale, and the other's here recordin' with him
Lyrical contortionism, MC Statutory
I'll smack you back and forth with metaphors and allegories
Assassin; so when I start rappin'
you'd better hasten to get your fuckin' seatbelts fastened
My shit is omnipotent, omniscient, and everlasting
The last thing I said was hot but after that I'm past it
On to the next line, my rhymes are fantastic
I don't got time to lie or be sarcastic
I speak the truth: my shit's real and that's it
Your girl sucks my dick and then she puts on some chapstick
I'm the greatest rapper ever since Biggie died
I'm biggie-sized, like some fuckin' biggie fries
I will infect you in and out just like a rusty cut
And if you're disrespectful, in your mouth I'll bust a crusty nut
My flow's regular but I still bring an edge to the game
You'd better get into the habit of respecting my name
I'm not clownin'; this brown man will put you on the ground
and beat you down worse than Rodney when they first found him
And you'll desperately be needing an extra strength
Not to mention some testosterone for strengthening your estrogen
Chorus
Verse 3 (MC Plátano and MC Statutory alternating)
P: This shit's atrocious; here's the motherfucking diagnosis
I'm fillin' your girl with more cream than Hostess
S: I may be new to this game, but I still know what I'm doin'
That's due to my name, it's the Hernandez influence
P: Yo, see me rockin' street clothes, eatin' emcees like Cheetos
Defeat foes automatically like shootin' free throws
S: I'm unstoppably diabolic, call the cops, I'm volatile
You'll be moppin' and sloppin' up your vomit at the hospital
P: Yo, follow me as I take you on this verbal Odyssey
Ain't no one as hot as me, I'm just the fuckin' god MC
S: You're just a wannabe, honestly, it kind of bothers me
That your shit's as fake as Canada's economy
P: Yo, you wanna attack the kid? I'm immaculate
I'll smack your chick, leave that bitch covered in my ejaculate
S: I'll smack you with my right hand or my left: I'm ambidextrous
And then I'll pile your body on the rest like it was Tetris
P: Yo, when the camera's on, I'm flowin' like the Amazon River
Make your mom shiver's what this grammar's gon' give her
S: It's MC Statutory, attackin', yo, I'm dominant
you Can't touch me like I was milk and you're lactose intolerant
Chorus
Open the door Jehovah you whore
I am the servant of who rules this world
Archnemesis of your light
One look at me and you know he is I
Run away when confronted with Satan
Always here and forever will be
Your concern for my Lord is becoming
Defecate on your book of belief
Door to door soliciting war
Feeble man with salvation as sword
Disturb and see you will die
For I am of Him in his world you're confined
Why try? World dies, christ hides
When Satan rules his world
Disease, run free, killing
When Satan rules his world
Religion, infliction, obscene
When Satan rules his world
Witness, dismissed, executed
When Satan rules his world
I am the servant of who rules this world
Archnemesis of your light
One look at me and you know he is I
Run away when confronted with Satan
Always here and forever will be
Your concern for my Lord is becoming
Defecate on your book of belief
Door to door soliciting war
Feeble man with salvation as sword
Disturb and see you will die
For I am of Him in his world you're confined
Why try? World dies, christ hides
When Satan rules his world
Disease, run free, killing
When Satan rules his world
Religion, infliction, obscene
When Satan rules his world
Witness, dismissed, executed
When Satan rules his world
Hiatussin
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I think speaking in rhythm and rhime is fairly natural and its hard to point to a founder. I once even heard an old white theatre artist was the first guy to do it.
Early 80s was when it really started I believe...
either way i think most rap is hedonist nihilist superficial short attention span bullshit
Early 80s was when it really started I believe...
either way i think most rap is hedonist nihilist superficial short attention span bullshit
LOL at some of these posts. 
@ Blondie.
Hip-hop is an evolving culture, there is more to it than just rap music. There's literature, clothing, art & other forms of music. ALOT more than what you see on MTV or read in Rolling Stone.
Mylife is correct. First album released by a major label was in 1978 (or maybe 79) by the Sugar Hill Gang. It definitely peaked in the 90's (I would say 94-95 - God, those were good years). Some decent stuff came out in 1996. There is a movement to bring rap music back to its original form.
@ Blondie.Hip-hop is an evolving culture, there is more to it than just rap music. There's literature, clothing, art & other forms of music. ALOT more than what you see on MTV or read in Rolling Stone.
Mylife is correct. First album released by a major label was in 1978 (or maybe 79) by the Sugar Hill Gang. It definitely peaked in the 90's (I would say 94-95 - God, those were good years). Some decent stuff came out in 1996. There is a movement to bring rap music back to its original form.
rudeboyja said:
You got it right ! It's DJ Kool Herc. He's the one who came up with scratch, the beats and the name "hip hop". The rest came later on (Grandmaster Flash, Sugarhill gang...). Most wanna be playa' dont even know who Kool Herc is, including some major league rappers....lol
http://www.montrealmirror.com/2005/080405/music1.html
milo hobgoblin
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I dont know, but if you all tell me.. Ill go back in time with my time machine and kill him.
Completely free of charge too!
Completely free of charge too!
I think it will always be debatable where rap (actually) started because it was probably in someones basement in either Brooklyn or the South Bronx (that is debatable too) in the early 70's....However, I think this link is evidence of EXACTLY where rap will die and who will kill it!
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_961345.html?menu
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_961345.html?menu
redguru said:
LOL. Yes, and Bo Derek invented the corn row braided hair style (until then it was an underground phenomena).
I'm not denying that Blondie came out with a rap song. The question is "where did it come from?", not who sold the first platinum/gold rap record according to Billboard. Mylife & Rude are correct.
2ez said:
It didn't "start" in the clubs, it grew into the clubs and started to become more refined. People from the Bronx say it started there and vice-versa, KRS-1 still raps about it.......There is an old documentary on the entire "movement" called "WILD STYLE" that covers the origins of rap, DJ's, graffiti, breakdancing and more, they even bring blondie into the mix, who with the help of Fab 5 Freddy brought the stuff out of the underground....So there. Oh yeah, don't leave out RUN-DMC's contribution, they really "made" rap what it is.
http://www.wildstylethemovie.com/
I just realized.....who really cares!
gotmojo said:
Read my post again bro. I said the first time "I" heard it was at Club 371. Run DMC are pioneers, but the first commercial Rap Record was actually made by a group called the Fat Back Band. Their record was titled King Tim III.
I would say Sugar Hill Gang made the sound international before Run DMC. Rapper's Delight was sold in countries all over the world. My friend's Parents owned Sugar Hill Records at the time. This was before Russell, Kurt and Run put anything down on wax.
Kool Herc was a DJ here in NY. Wether he first brought it to the Club or the Playgrounds is to be determined.
And let's not forget Eddie Cheba, DJ Hollywood, Love Bug and a few other cats that were instrumental in starting this brand of music.
Malcom McClaren (Buffalo Girls) was heavy back in the days.
nycgirl said:
FAtBack Band Biography
There are many, including genuine authorities such as Afrika Bambaataa, who state that "King Tim III (Personality Jock)" by Fatback, released on Spring Records in 1979, is the first true hip-hop record. "King Tim" was actually the b-side to "You're My Candy Sweet", before radio programmers and listeners made it the more popular selection. The rap was delivered by the band's master of ceremonies/warm-up act, King Tim III. After appearing solo on "Charley Says! (Roller Boogie Baby)", backed by Fatback, he would disappear into the mists of hip-hop mythology. Archivists may like to note that "King Tim III" is included on the Fatback XII album.
2ez said:
You fully missed my point but I understand where "you" are coming from.....international nothing, any song can gain international recognition, look at "nina", her balloons where popular as hell but did not ignite a flurry of that style of music. Even though the Sugar Hill Gang made a hit and appeared on American Bandstand point was that rap was flailing in a subculture b4 RUN-DMC blew it up and sent it in the direction it is now....sheesh.....and as far as all the rest, my point was that rap was spawned out of house parties in either Brooklyn or the Bronx initially b4 anyone laid anything to wax.
Realization #2. Right or wrong I have way too much knowledge of Rap music.
gotmojo said:You fully missed my point but I understand where "you" are coming from.....international nothing, any song can gain international recognition, look at "nina", her balloons where popular as hell but did not ignite a flurry of that style of music. Even though the Sugar Hill Gang made a hit and appeared on American Bandstand point was that rap was flailing in a subculture b4 RUN-DMC blew it up and sent it in the direction it is now....sheesh.....and as far as all the rest, my point was that rap was spawned out of house parties in either Brooklyn or the Bronx initially b4 anyone laid anything to wax.
Realization #2. Right or wrong I have way too much knowledge of Rap music.
I remember a lot of house party's later out in Queens (thus the movie, "HOUSE Party" with kid and play, both are from Queens), but in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan.....it was all about the playgrounds and climbing light post to get power. As you have stated....Clubs started getting more and more into it as this thing took on a life of it's own.
Some parties back then were set ups for stick ups. Groups like Ball Busters, Casanova's, Zulu Nation, GForce Nation and the Cigar Mob were some of the biggest at the time. Ball Busters were mainly in Manahattan at 3333. The other groups could be found in all 5 boroughs with Zulu being the biggest.
nycgirl said:
Sugar Hill was the first Rap record to go mainstream / international that I know of. There were others before them that only had local appeal. Sugar Hill fellaz were from Jersey and not received well when performed in NY.
The fellaz were booed at many parties back in the day. Hank of the Sugar Hill Gang was a body guard for another underground group called Cold Crush Brothers (VH1 is celebrating these fellaz next month). He borrowed the book of raps from one of these guyz that went by the name of Grandmaster Cas (short for Casanova). He took the lyrics and put them on the hit song Rappers Delight. So these fellaz were considered fake rappers, because the lyrics they spit were not their own.
Many years after rappers delight....the fellaz hit bottom...
Hank was a crack head. (but is clean now)..and Wonder Mike, worked for the sanitation Dept as a garbage man. Master Gee moved to Calif to start a computer business but is back in the studio working on a record with Wonder Mike and both of their sons. They were touring for the last several years but broke up again.
gotmojo said:You fully missed my point but I understand where "you" are coming from.....international nothing, any song can gain international recognition, look at "nina", her balloons where popular as hell but did not ignite a flurry of that style of music. Even though the Sugar Hill Gang made a hit and appeared on American Bandstand point was that rap was flailing in a subculture b4 RUN-DMC blew it up and sent it in the direction it is now....sheesh.....and as far as all the rest, my point was that rap was spawned out of house parties in either Brooklyn or the Bronx initially b4 anyone laid anything to wax.
Realization #2. Right or wrong I have way too much knowledge of Rap music.
I disagree with Run DMC sending it in the direction it is in now. Yes, THEY became more mainstream (and the first to have an endorsement with a major company) via that hit with Aerosmith, but rap was still part of a subculture for many years before radio accepted it with open arms & record companies realized how much money could be made off of it.There are a lot of rappers/groups that made great music (especially in the late 80's) that many have not heard of.
2ez said:
I give them that credit too. However, I do think there were better rappers during that time. I thought KRS, Eric B & Rakim, Big Daddy Kane even LL (when he first came out) were better than them. Does anyone remember UTFO & The Real Roxanne? lol
I heard Slick Rick's Children Story on the radio the other day. It brought a tear to my eye.
I can't believe I remember all of this.
jnevin
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juicedmohawk said:Gee, I can't wait until GJohnson's reply to this thread. I'm sure it will be enlightening
We, as honkeys have no business commenting on his own personal type of music. We will then hear how country music has kept all non-white people down for the last 5,000 years.
dirkadabolin
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Isn't the godfather Dr. Dre
nycgirl said:
You had to pull a UTFO out didn't ya...LOL....I was waiting for someone to mention Nucleus, (jamm on it) ughhh.
RUN-DMC is credited in pointing the genre in the dir. it is the same way of sorts that Elvis is credited with the whole rock-n-roll thing, As far as them being better rappers, they were and still are to a great extent just my flav. so I am partial to them but I am not the one to actually credited them, the current and past artists are. I never really got into KRS-1 I did like his messages but not his or that type of style, although I was a huge fan of DJ Scott La Roc. Rick Rubin is so important to this but in the early stages RUN, DMC, and Russell had their hands on it as well. All the others you are both talking about I am big fans of but what I am trying to convey is as close to the original question in the title of the post the fact that rap did not start with them.
And no the Kid-n-Play house party is not what I meant (I almost take offense to that), The parties were in basements then grew into bigger areas to accomodate the interest, like wharehouses and the like then clubs.....Fab 5 Freddy introduced Blondie to it b4 it hit the clubs full-on when rapping was more of a showcase at these "parties" for the rappers to brag about their neighborhoods etc..., compete, and have fun....
gjohnson5
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Where do you think yalls stereotypes of black people come from...
I'll tell U
Curtis Mayfield .. song = Pusherman
i'm your mamma, i'm your daddy
i'm that nigga in the alley
i'm your doctor, when in need
want some coke, have some weed
you know me, i'm your friend
your main boy, thick and thin
i'm your pusherman
I'll tell U
Curtis Mayfield .. song = Pusherman
i'm your mamma, i'm your daddy
i'm that nigga in the alley
i'm your doctor, when in need
want some coke, have some weed
you know me, i'm your friend
your main boy, thick and thin
i'm your pusherman
gjohnson5 said:
Then you might as well mention George Clinton and big head Lou Rawls...or even take it further back to Ella Fitzgerald or Mr bill Bojangles.
We didn't call it rap....because it wasn't rap. If you read up on call Herc.....he even mentioned roots in the caribbean. So we might as well add Bob Nestor Marley or even Yellow Man to the mix. Fellaz sampled the beats of those you have mentioned......that is as far as I will go with saying how they have contributed to the rap game.
2ez said:
Exactly. We can go further back than the early 1900's.
With regard to those "stereotypes" (I was so hoping this thread was not going to go that route), they existed way before Curtis Mayfield. That is all I will say about that. I hope this thread stays on topic, hip-hop culture and rap music.
gjohnson5
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2ez said:
I don't wanna rehash all of American History since the mayflower....
black exploitation was a means of marketing black folks for comedy and parody sake in order for folks to make money. It wasn't until shows such as "good Times" with my man John Amos that all that started to be publicly displaced.
I could talk about the civil rights movement , The Black Panthers , but lets not go there. I'm talking specifically about media.
nycgirl said:
You are right nycgirl!
So here...If you haven't seen it, see it! It's still rentable in some places.
It's not a fluff movie, it's a real documentary that discusses all of the above, i've been a fan of the movie since it came out. There are even clips at this site.
http://www.wildstylethemovie.com/
the classic hip hop movie
For those craving the true roots of rap, Wild Style (1982) captured the hard core South Bronx scene at its birth. The stars of Wild Style form the pantheon of hip hop’s pioneers: DJ’s Grand Master Flash, Grand Wizard Theodore, D.St.; rappers Grand Master Caz and The Cold Crush Bros, The Chief Rocker Busy Bee, Double Trouble, Fantastic Freaks and RAMMELLZEE and bboy champions The Rock Steady Crew. Beat Music by legendary Blondie guitarist Chris Stein and Fred Brathwaite.
Wild Style stars the legendary subway artist LEE Quinones and the queen of the graffiti scene, Sandra PINK Fabara. Graffiti Masters DONDI, ZEPHYR and DAZE also bombed for the movie. FAB 5 FREDDY, who along with writer/producer/director Charlie Ahearn, helped create Wild Style, shines as the smooth hip hop impressario PHADE. Wild Style follows the outlaw artists through the train yards to the rap/breakdance clubs.The movie climaxes at a massive outdoor jam, definitely the most famous hip hop party in history!
Wild Style
"One of the Ten Best movie
sound tracks of all Time!"
- VIBE MAGAZINE
"Wild Style - The Best Hip Hop
movie of all time!"
-The SOURCE Magazine
gjohnson5
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So , the whole point of what I was trying to say before this turned into a historical lesson about stereotypes was that people learn things from radio and tv... The media. And what is said in the media will play an overwheling role in how people percieve things dealing with situations and people. Most white peoples opinions were already formed and then seeing black exploitation on TV and in the radio reinforced what people already believed.
Unfortunately folks were trying to make money in the media and there were artists (TV and Radio) that held onto that and "vibed" to it. Some really kewl music and TV came from that. But there was a section of the population that did that for $$$ and a secion of the population that took that somewhat seriously...
Unfortunately folks were trying to make money in the media and there were artists (TV and Radio) that held onto that and "vibed" to it. Some really kewl music and TV came from that. But there was a section of the population that did that for $$$ and a secion of the population that took that somewhat seriously...
gjohnson5 said:
Old school rappers and rap groups that I enjoyed:
Funky Four plus 1 more
Crash Crew
Fantastic Romantic Five
Furious Five (old school stuff)
Johnny WaWa and Rayvon
Mello King Do Vee
Fearless Four
Busy Bee
Treacherous 3
T La rock
Spoonie Gee
Cold Crush
Bambaata and Soulsonic
Force MC's
Disco Dave and Mixmaster Mike
Pumpkin and the Allstars
Juice Crew w/ Marley Marl
Lords of the Underground
Malcom McClaren
Just to name a few.....hehehe
Mr. dB said:
See my post....lol
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427359&page=2&pp=20
Mr. dB said:
I guess it can go either way:
1. Hardbeatnews, KINGSTON, Jamaica, Fri. Feb. 4, 2005: Jamaica's Prime Minister, P.J. Patterson, has stopped short of saying whether reggae's legend, Robert Nestor Marley, who would have been 60 on Sunday, will be awarded the status of a national hero.
The call for the conferring of the status on Marley has been made by his Foundation, which has been celebrating the icon?s birthday in a major way in Ethiopia this week.
2. Former Ms. Jamaica, Ms. World and Recording Artist, Cindy Breakspeare was born on October 24, 1954 in Toronto, Canada. She migrated to Jamaica when she was four years old. Ms. Breakspeare attended the Immaculate Conception Academy and shortly after her graduation from the Academy, she became romantically linked with Robert Nestor Marley. Her grueling schedule and long bouts of separation from Bob Marley, prompted her to move to England so that she could spend more time with him.
Cindy Breakspeare is the mother of Bob Marley's youngest son Damian Marley, who is also a singer in his own right. It is said, that Bob Marley wrote the song "Is This Love" for Cindy. It was an affirmation of the emotions he felt for her during their romance.
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kills said:
Frederick Douglass spit the good word
