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When did Arnold start to use Steroids? Lets find out!

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Hello!

Do you klnow when arnold started using steroids?

According to his unauthorized bio, which his lawyers tried to
squash but couldn't, he started using roids almost as soon
as he started training, as a mid-teen. If you read his
auto-bio, he said he used to train with a young doctor who
coached him as a youth. Hmmmmm.... I smell D-bol.....

He's admitted to steroid use though. That's never been a
question. The question is how young and how much?
 
*rant*

This is so maddening. Arnold achieved what is arguably the most perfect male body of all time. He did so with a combination of determination, training, diet, drugs and genetics. What were his REAL secrets? How did his WHOLE training schedule look, from diet to lifting to drugs? I WISH he would come clean and detail the whole system he used and the logic or guess work behind it. Think of how many of us would benefit from it - or may potentioally IMPROVE on it? Come ON Arnold! TELL ALL. Give society the gift of all of your secrets... THIS is the stuff that will outlast you and all of us.

*rant off*
 
*my rant*
I don't think there are any secrets. Arnold got the way he did by being blessed with great genetics and a hard work ethic. That is all. NO secret.
 
genarr3 said:
*my rant*
I don't think there are any secrets. Arnold got the way he did by being blessed with great genetics and a hard work ethic. That is all. NO secret.
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great genetics?
he was skinny and kinda fat. No abs... Not until the steroids came to him in his mid teens No calves. Infact I think ( someone give me armour I expect lots of fire at me now) HE WAS A HARDGAINER! The only reason he succeeded was because of drugs and his zeal for success..... (Ok dont kill me please!!!!)

I just dug this up

"To help boost the swelling body, Marnul introduced Arnold to steroids, which were then legal. Back in the early 1960s, the trainer claims, "There was no weightlifter in the world who did not take them. You could get prescriptions for them from the doctor. Arnold never took them, though, without my super-vision."


You're supposed to have three muscles showing there, but Arnold only had two. However much he trained, he couldn't get that third muscle, so he used to stand like this when he posed." Marnul mimes, holding an arm in a shielding position across this stomach.


Read that!
 
I'm inclined to think that Arnold has decent genetics - but I do NOT think that his genetics were "that much more superior" to the average joe (aside from the fact that he is a shade over 6'2" tall). I REALLY think it was hard work, drugs and diet. There is NO WAY he would have been the star he is without a careful regemin of AAS. This use was extended over a period of years - probably about 6 to 10 years at least - this left him able to keep many of the gains in later life (giving him the body we all know now - not even CLOSE to his Olympia size - but GREAT non the less). He aludes to the fact that he is a "role model" in his new revised encyclopdia of BB, so that he continually speaks out against steroid use - I think this in conjunction with his potential desire to get into politics have a lot to do with his downplaying serious AAS use. I'm also wondering if any close friends - or if he - had any major sides through their AAS use. Maybe some or a combination of these things are what keep him tight lipped about details... then again maybe he just wants to be known as the best body ever - and will not provide his success information in enough detail for anyone to follow his footsteps or even succeed him. I love Arnold and he is undeniably a role model for my hard work in the gym. I just REALLY wish the whole truth about his AAS use and training details would be made available. I think we got about 1/4 of the details in his encyclopedia - with the remaining 3/4 maybe more people could achieve results such as his?
 
newpump said:
Where can I get a copy of Arnold's biography BTW - I'd like to read this stuff first hand!
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i dont know exactly where but I am sure its called

"Unnoficial biography of Arnold" or something like this. Try to find it if you can. i am sure Arnold is trying to get rid of this a hard as possible.
 
the thing about arnold's body that fasinates me the most is the fact that he has enourmouse upper body/arms, and chest, yet his waist was sooo fucking small...like there was nothing there..bodybuilders now a days have like a 6-pac over a fucking gut cause of all the drugs/calories they intake...
 
12, I know because I was his gear connection....I was only -36 years old at the time but still....
 
If you'll remember, a few years ago, Mr S had a heart valve replacement done. I wonder what role AAS had in causing that problem. Could it be he was still using gear and the water retention raisd blood pressure thus damaging the valve? What say ye?
 
Who knows? Just like I don't want those around me to blame everything that happens to me on the gear, I wouldn't say just because he had a heart problem that the gear was the cause. Lot's people have heart problems.
 
I hear Erkel, Webster and the guy who played Minnie Me will be trying out for the title next year.
 
newpump said:
I'm inclined to think that Arnold has decent genetics - but I do NOT think that his genetics were "that much more superior" to the average joe (aside from the fact that he is a shade over 6'2" tall).

No he was definatley gentically superior. Did you ever look at the peak of his biceps. Or how about how hughe his chest was. Not to mention the main thing about him was his frame and it don't matter how hard you work in the gym most will never have that wide of shoulders with a waist that small. He truly had the genetics to be a great bodybuilder not to metion he got big and didn't know shit about proper traning(as did nobody back then). Also his asthetics were genetic to because alot of people look blocky when the get that big but he looks like he truly was built to hold the muscle he has.
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Come on, guys! Even though (in another fictional world) we DID get to know his secrets, it STILL would'nt matter! Why? Because we are all different and won't necessarily get the same results even if we copied his routines (training, AS, diet) down to the last detail.

If you tried to copy you're friends routine you still would'nt get the same results as he did, becuase the MAIN difference is the human body!

The guy who does'nt think there is anything called "great genetics" - you must be young or naive!? I see it all the time myself in the gym; along comes some youngster with excellent definition, well developed musclebellies and he has'nt even started getting serious with weights yet!

All things are mulitfacetted! Arnold's results were a combination of discipline, hard work, good diet, AS, continuity, an incredible belief in what he did AND good genetics!

Crom
 
CCrom said:
Come on, guys! Even though (in another fictional world) we DID get to know his secrets, it STILL would'nt matter! Why? Because we are all different and won't necessarily get the same results even if we copied his routines (training, AS, diet) down to the last detail.

If you tried to copy you're friends routine you still would'nt get the same results as he did, becuase the MAIN difference is the human body!

The guy who does'nt think there is anything called "great genetics" - you must be young or naive!? I see it all the time myself in the gym; along comes some youngster with excellent definition, well developed musclebellies and he has'nt even started getting serious with weights yet!
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I agree with you 100% !!! a coulple of time I've seen man who never works out but with a shoulder you can only dream of and man those calf.....I just shook my head and wonder what if this guy starts lifting weights.
Yep Arnold sure have genetics on his side and enhanced it AAS.
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The bottom line was that Arnold trained his ass off and had a genuine passion and love for bodybuilding. The number of sets and reps plus the shear amount of time he spent in the gym shows this. While he and his contemporaries grossly overtrained by today's standards, his dedication was unmatched, drugs or no.
 
i personally don't believe too much in genetics, i think anyone is capable of being mr. olympia if he trains right, eats right, and drugs right
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This is the biggest piece of BS I have read yet on this board!
Bro,genetics are EVERYTHING in bodybuilding!!!
 
str8cubano said:
the thing about arnold's body that fasinates me the most is the fact that he has enourmouse upper body/arms, and chest, yet his waist was sooo fucking small...like there was nothing there..bodybuilders now a days have like a 6-pac over a fucking gut cause of all the drugs/calories they intake...
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The thing is that he didnt use some of todays hormones/steroids... I doubt he used much if any GH . And I am sure that he didnt use insulin.

Also he was constantly at doctors supervision so all bad ill effects of steroids could have been minimised.

Reason why SOME current pros are that way is because of bad genes, shorter hight, more food, lessdoctor supervision.... etc and etc
 
CRNT93 said:

This is the biggest piece of BS I have read yet on this board!
Bro,genetics are EVERYTHING in bodybuilding!!!
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I agree partially genetics are ALMOST everything. If you are 4 foot or 7 foot tall you cant be Mr 0. If you were born without and amr or a leg you cant be Mr 0.

Howeever many people instead of working hard blame their genes and thus never reach anywhere. True some people can be larger than other ones, but it is a tough call.


I have seen hardgainers get into such muscular shape size, naturally... That they could win a minor natural contests! These re your typical 98 pound weaklings!!!!!

Now... What if guy with Average genes trains that way, takes lots of drugs, works diligently... There might be a good possibilty of a success. Not Mr 0, but maybe a pro status atleast.



The reason why often genes are 99%+ of succees is of poor training and eating habits.......


Reminder to myself to put on some armour as people will surely gonna want to kill me.
 
jstrong20 said:
newpump said:
I'm inclined to think that Arnold has decent genetics - but I do NOT think that his genetics were "that much more superior" to the average joe (aside from the fact that he is a shade over 6'2" tall).

No he was definatley gentically superior. Did you ever look at the peak of his biceps. Or how about how hughe his chest was. Not to mention the main thing about him was his frame and it don't matter how hard you work in the gym most will never have that wide of shoulders with a waist that small. He truly had the genetics to be a great bodybuilder not to metion he got big and didn't know shit about proper traning(as did nobody back then). Also his asthetics were genetic to because alot of people look blocky when the get that big but he looks like he truly was built to hold the muscle he has.
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Arnolds waist was wide as a door. He didnt have a gut but it was wide.
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anybody ever see pumping iron...many of your questions can be answered with that movie.arnold trained like an ANIMAL...not too many train that way these days...today's bbers are trying to train smart thinking they'll get there quicker...but everyone has to pay their dues in training,diet,recup and drugs...arnold sure did...---fyi
 
da big thinker said:
anybody ever see pumping iron...many of your questions can be answered with that movie.arnold trained like an ANIMAL...not too many train that way these days...today's bbers are trying to train smart thinking they'll get there quicker...but everyone has to pay their dues in training,diet,recup and drugs...arnold sure did...---fyi
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Yep you are right. You need to watch your recuperation...;

SO dont ever train more than 2 days per week if you want to gain max muscle (and you are not a newbie or drugged to the gills Mr 0 compeitior)
 
Let's get a few things straight:
1. Arnold definitely had excellent genetics overall. Although his legs were what many of us would consider sub-par today, many BBers back then thought big legs took away from the overall symmetry. Maybe (I don't know) he wanted them like that.

2. Genetics are 80% of bodybuilding at least at the elite level. As we all know, some guys just seem to be put together better than others.

3. I agree the enormous guts on some of today's BBers is unattractive, but is inevitable for the mass a lot of these guys are carrying. You have to remember Arnie was over 6 feet tall and competed in the mid/upper 230s. The guys today are 5'8" and compete at 245. Like many of you, I also would like to see more flex (circa '93), shawn ray, and DexJ physiques up there.
 
I've read that Arnold slept up to fifteen hours a night during his competetive days, and I can believe it. He was lucky to have the right mentors and benefactors around who relieved him of the necessity of making a living.

I want that!!!!!:D
 
sk* said:
i think it's the gear that made him great not the genetics

i personally don't believe too much in genetics, i think anyone is capable of being mr. olympia if he trains right, eats right, and drugs right
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Umm, no.
 
sk* said:
i think it's the gear that made him great not the genetics

i personally don't believe too much in genetics, i think anyone is capable of being mr. olympia if he trains right, eats right, and drugs right
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nope...i disagree...that would mean that pee-wee herman,given the right drugs could look like lee priest or someone of that caliber...?genetics are the most important...then DIET...training and recup...---fyi---IMO
 
Combo of Primo and Dbol?

There's been some info floating around on the web that Arnold depended on Primo and Dbol for his regimine. In terms of how often he trained, it's unbelieveable that he ALWAYS trained 6 days per week ALL the time. The only thing that seemed to have changed were the exercises he did when he was bulking or cutting, seeming to go alot heavier while bulking.

At any rate, where exactly is that quote from regarding this Marnul character to claimed to have helped Arnold with his drug intake? As well, does this unauthorized biography give any further insight as to how he trained?
 
no way arnold took steroids when he was a teen. i bet you anything he took them as soon as he hit california. he was a good natural size before then then you notice him begining to puff up. he only took them when he was a pro. he was big when he was young but nothing spectacular and certanly not enough to be considered on roids.
 
sk* said:
i think it's the gear that made him great not the genetics

i personally don't believe too much in genetics, i think anyone is capable of being mr. olympia if he trains right, eats right, and drugs right
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training right, eating right,and doing a good amount of drugs will help you be the best you can be but that doesn't mean you will become Mr. Olympia. genetic shape, structure, the belly of the muscle whether full or short, joint insertions(smaller joints better, gives muscles a larger appearance) all play a key role. Believe me, genetics play a huge role.
 
scarecrowtriplesix said:
no way arnold took steroids when he was a teen. i bet you anything he took them as soon as he hit california. he was a good natural size before then then you notice him begining to puff up. he only took them when he was a pro. he was big when he was young but nothing spectacular and certanly not enough to be considered on roids.
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Oh my god! You are kidding us right?! Hell yes Arnold took roids as a teen, look at him when he was doing numerous poses at 16 in his encyclopedia, he was tall and skinny as hell...no mass, and maybe a bucks fifty? Now there is a pic of him in the same book when he was 19 years old standing on a pier at 240 pounds (and looking very juiced up!) So then by your view Arnold basically put on hardly nothing after he started jucing right? Uh no.

I don`t care what kind of diet or genetics you have you ain`t gonna put on that much mass in a few years without drugs.
 
Re: Combo of Primo and Dbol?

DeadLiftZ said:
There's been some info floating around on the web that Arnold depended on Primo and Dbol for his regimine. In terms of how often he trained, it's unbelieveable that he ALWAYS trained 6 days per week ALL the time. The only thing that seemed to have changed were the exercises he did when he was bulking or cutting, seeming to go alot heavier while bulking.

At any rate, where exactly is that quote from regarding this Marnul character to claimed to have helped Arnold with his drug intake? As well, does this unauthorized biography give any further insight as to how he trained?
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Well according to murnual and other, arnie sucked geneticly wise. In the beginning atleast.

But unlike other bbers, he had DETERMINATION TO SUCCCEED.

I think arnie was even more Twisted than DOrian Yates.


Arnold wanted to train 7 days per week. But the gym was closed on Sundays. So what arnold did is that he would BREAK IN THE GYM and workout (as I understand he broke a window and got in).


THAT IS DEDICATION!
 
I agree that Arnold prolly took gear at around 19 or so.

But how many think he still takes gear? I personally do not believe so. I think he's put that in his past. Although he's still a pretty massive guy and if he's "off" then it answers some of the "do you lose everything once your off" questions. Otherwise he'd be about 190lbs.

I personally think that the workout/diet/genetics/gear got him to several Mr. O's. I think that his body got used to that size and he can maintain it through good eating and working out. He gets pumped up before his shoots and there ya go.
 
Arnold is about 190-210

mvmaxx said:
I agree that Arnold prolly took gear at around 19 or so.

But how many think he still takes gear? I personally do not believe so. I think he's put that in his past. Although he's still a pretty massive guy and if he's "off" then it answers some of the "do you lose everything once your off" questions. Otherwise he'd be about 190lbs.

I personally think that the workout/diet/genetics/gear got him to several Mr. O's. I think that his body got used to that size and he can maintain it through good eating and working out. He gets pumped up before his shoots and there ya go.
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He took steroids as a teen...held the European Bench Press record at 498 as a teen. Came to America in 1968 at 250 pounds..big but no biceps peaks. He changed his drug regimen to dbol, primo, and T3 and transformed his physique. He won IFBB Universe in 1969 AND best legs after having terrible legs...but he spent time in South Africa to get calf implants. Some believe he had biceps implants as well as he has no real muscle mass but still large, peaked biceps. He had a wide waist but he disguised it in posing and pics.

He was a great bodybuilder because of his will and his mind...not great genetics...which contributed to his heart valve problem..inherited from his mother.

He probably started using roids about 15-16.

He weighed 225 in 1975 when he won in South Africa and 220 in 1980 when he won in Australia...In Australia all he had were arms..it was a travesty. His best weight was in earle 70's at about 235 but he is NOT 6'2" tall.
 
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I've read Arnolds unauthorized biography. He started lifting at around 15, and started doing roids soon after. So he was on juice probably by the age of 16, 17 at latest.

As to his genetics, they were friggin awesome. His biceps were long, full and had a huge peak. His chest went almost all the way down to his stomach. He had a naturally thin waist, large frame, wide shoulders. Just look at him compared to other bodybuilders of his time. He was way ahead of everyone. Since he was juicing, eating and training the same way as everyone, it must have been his genetics that seperated him from the pack.
 
Are ya'll seriously arguing over whether or not Arnie had good genes? OF COURSE HE DID! Look at his structure, upper body, proportions, waist to hip ratio, etc... Plenty of the guys during that Golden Age trained hard a juiced like he did. But few of them looked near as phenominal.

BTW with some armidex he would have looked so much harder.
 
SSAlexSS said:
Hello!

Do you klnow when arnold started using steroids?

According to his unauthorized bio, which his lawyers tried to
squash but couldn't, he started using roids almost as soon
as he started training, as a mid-teen. If you read his
auto-bio, he said he used to train with a young doctor who
coached him as a youth. Hmmmmm.... I smell D-bol.....

He's admitted to steroid use though. That's never been a
question. The question is how young and how much?
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He mainly used Primo,dball and Deca.

I'm sure he got screwed up(His heart. He had bypass surgery)
because of the dball.

Back then they popped Dball like it was candy. No joke.

20-30 5mg tabs at a time was not uncommon. This for
like months on end.

Fonz
 
Anyone here who thinks genetics mean nothing is a moron. Plain and simple.
 
MeatyMe said:
If you'll remember, a few years ago, Mr S had a heart valve replacement done. I wonder what role AAS had in causing that problem. Could it be he was still using gear and the water retention raisd blood pressure thus damaging the valve? What say ye?
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nothing to do with AS he had rhumatic fever when young which often leads to needing a heart valve transplant in later life (my mum had the same operation for the same reason)
 
If you search the internet and watch pumping iron. I would think common sense would say that he had great genetics. And i doubt he had any implants at all.. Back in those days ppl ate worked out hard and yeah ate a little dbol but dbol alone ain't gonna give you Arnie's physique.. He's genetically gifted and he'll say so (to the press that is)!!!
 
Arnold I believe was a hardgainer, if you look at him when he's natural(ex. Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding) showing examples of exercises, he looks no bigger than 190 lbs. THat does not take anything away from him, he had graet genetics as far as muscle shape, and fullness. Please lets not forget his DESIRE to be the best and be a champion. You combine a great work ethic, with great shape, heavy training, and according to some accounts; the willingness to take amounts of drugs no one else would take back then, and you have a champion. His heart condition, he has stated to be genetic, his mother had the same thing, but I'm sure massive amounts of d-bol just magnified the condition. I also believe that there are NO "secrets" to how he became who he became; A desire to be the best, busting his ass in the gym(no free days), and proper nutrition, and finding out what worked for him did it, and it can work for all of us. Maybe not Olympia , but we can achieve a great physique by following these guidelines.
 
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the guy would spend 8 HOURS in the gym.

How much do most of us spend in the gym? 1-2?

that speaks volumes right there. Bodybuilding was his PASSION, his LIFE. He took that same passion to ACTING and he got the same success there too. He took it to POLITICS, and he won there as well. The guy is amazing at whatever he puts his mind too. A true role model. One of the nicest guys i've ever met.
 
he ate dbols instead of pez and drank winny instead of baby formula and got a primobolan shot instead of the flu shot
 
SSAlexSS said:
great genetics?
he was skinny and kinda fat. No abs... Not until the steroids came to him in his mid teens No calves. Infact I think ( someone give me armour I expect lots of fire at me now) HE WAS A HARDGAINER! The only reason he succeeded was because of drugs and his zeal for success..... (Ok dont kill me please!!!!)

I just dug this up

"To help boost the swelling body, Marnul introduced Arnold to steroids, which were then legal. Back in the early 1960s, the trainer claims, "There was no weightlifter in the world who did not take them. You could get prescriptions for them from the doctor. Arnold never took them, though, without my super-vision."


You're supposed to have three muscles showing there, but Arnold only had two. However much he trained, he couldn't get that third muscle, so he used to stand like this when he posed." Marnul mimes, holding an arm in a shielding position across this stomach.


Read that!
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You gotta be kidding!

Woops, just realized how old this thread is! Let it go guys! :rolleyes:
 
Razorguns said:
the guy would spend 8 HOURS in the gym.

How much do most of us spend in the gym? 1-2?

that speaks volumes right there. Bodybuilding was his PASSION, his LIFE. He took that same passion to ACTING and he got the same success there too. He took it to POLITICS, and he won there as well. The guy is amazing at whatever he puts his mind too. A true role model. One of the nicest guys i've ever met.
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True that bro!
Arny is the man!
 
genarr3 said:
*my rant*
I don't think there are any secrets. Arnold got the way he did by being blessed with great genetics and a hard work ethic. That is all. NO secret.
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Well said.

And these polls, and all of the "hypothesizing", are a waste of time.

This is ridiculous, "When did Arnold start to use Steroids? Lets find out!" as if a POLL RESULT FROM A BUNCH OF GUYS THAT DONT KNOW ARNOLD will somehow "answer the question".

Some of you guys have way way way way too much free time on your hands.
 
yeahhhh!

Riker29 said:
Some of you guys have way way way way too much free time on your hands.
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.........and one more thing to you guys who actually voted in this thing......make better use of your time by reading a book or doing research..

You'll get more accomplished than with these stupid hypothetical polls.....

:rolleyes:
 
people who revive stupid old threads should be killed.
 
I think it just goes to show that there's still a lot of love for the look that Arnold attained in his day. It seems that a lot of these guys get the idea that if they took the same stuff he did, worked out like he did, then maybe they would end up looking like that.
I still think Arnold looked good even by today's standards. Sure you might not think his legs were big enough, but I honestly don't really care for the HUGE leg craze that was started by Tom Platz. After Tom, everyone had to have legs that big. Trouble was, Tom could never catch his upper body up to those legs.
 
marshallmadman said:
I think it just goes to show that there's still a lot of love for the look that Arnold attained in his day. It seems that a lot of these guys get the idea that if they took the same stuff he did, worked out like he did, then maybe they would end up looking like that.
I still think Arnold looked good even by today's standards. Sure you might not think his legs were big enough, but I honestly don't really care for the HUGE leg craze that was started by Tom Platz. After Tom, everyone had to have legs that big. Trouble was, Tom could never catch his upper body up to those legs.
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Well Mr Olympia for the last say 15 years has been about mass. I always liked Lee Labrada and Shawn Ray, but he'd never win against the giants like Lee Haney or Dorian Yates , even though I think they had more proportion and more definition than Haney or Yates. Let's face it ronnie Coleman is Mr O because he's 5'11 and 287 w/the Tom Platz thing going on. Nobody's ever done that.

Having said that , a 6'3 235lb Arnold couldn't win today because he was too small. But the 57" chest and the very small waist are extremely hard to come by these days.
 
newpump said:
*rant*

This is so maddening. Arnold achieved what is arguably the most perfect male body of all time. He did so with a combination of determination, training, diet, drugs and genetics. What were his REAL secrets? How did his WHOLE training schedule look, from diet to lifting to drugs? I WISH he would come clean and detail the whole system he used and the logic or guess work behind it. Think of how many of us would benefit from it - or may potentioally IMPROVE on it? Come ON Arnold! TELL ALL. Give society the gift of all of your secrets... THIS is the stuff that will outlast you and all of us.

*rant off*
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But his legs weren't that big. Some have speculated he had calf implants because all the sudden he had calfs. Even Arnold admitted when he was younger most of this pictures where standing in water, because he had small legs compared to his upper body.
 
gayest thread ever.
 
There's a thread like this on every BB board. It never ends. Nobody ever has the answer and most likely never will.
 
SSAlexSS said:
Hello!

Do you klnow when arnold started using steroids?

According to his unauthorized bio, which his lawyers tried to
squash but couldn't, he started using roids almost as soon
as he started training, as a mid-teen. If you read his
auto-bio, he said he used to train with a young doctor who
coached him as a youth. Hmmmmm.... I smell D-bol.....

He's admitted to steroid use though. That's never been a
question. The question is how young and how much?
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Many of his books show him at various ages, including those with his late brother and Father.

His jaw line is unique to him and kicked in around 15. So did his heavy weight body.
 
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