what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[Allon]

I can tell you all with complete confidence that Israel DESPERATELY wants the palesinians eduaction system to be as good as it can. Intelligence leads to moderate views and realistic actions. Plus, the more educated they are the harder it will be for their government to fuck em over, which they are doing.

I really don't think the palestinian people are so bad... Just their leaders. Who fucked up their education system? Not us. Come on, Arafat had billions of dollars put away in private bank accounts. What about the palestinian people??? Who is the one who is actually fucking them over?

Look at the facts.

Arafat, Jordan, Syria. They are using them as puppets to get at Israel.
That is the heart of the problem if anything is. Off course we play a part and some of our policies have to be changed, but to say Israel hasn't tried, or should not exist, just shows me that I am discussing this with people who have no clue.

Get it straight. Read my posts and see the fact I understand their side much more than you give me credit for.

And understand one last thing. Humane or not, Israel will do all it has to do to survive and be the superior in this neighbourhood. Don't judge that, just accept it. We have no choice.

We ARE the nice guy living in the bad neighbourhood. Beleive what you want but get your facts straight.

 

[manny78]

It's ok. it's their land and they can do whatever they want.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

I can tell you all with complete confidence that Israel DESPERATELY wants the palesinians eduaction system to be as good as it can. Intelligence leads to moderate views and realistic actions. Plus, the more educated they are the harder it will be for their government to fuck em over, which they are doing.

really?
http://www.grassrootsonline.org/Palestine Now/pal_0923/education.html
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/opt_23468.html
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=c...inian+school+destroyed&hl=en&client=firefox-a
israelis arent stupid people, and understand how to attack the joints of an economy as well as a society. attack the schools, and youre attacking the quality of opponent you will be facing in a decade

I really don't think the palestinian people are so bad... Just their leaders. Who fucked up their education system? Not us. Come on, Arafat had billions of dollars put away in private bank accounts. What about the palestinian people??? Who is the one who is actually fucking them over?

well, the israelis are stealing their houses, their land, driving armored bulldozers through their nieghbourhoods with people still inside, attacking protestors with helicopters firing rockets...generally doing things to them taht are so terrible as to make many of them think that suicide on a bus full of israelis is a damn good idea...if i had to take a stab in the dark as to who was really, really fucking them over...id have to say...israel.

Look at the facts.

i do. its your turn to not only look at them, but accept them for what they are.

Arafat, Jordan, Syria. They are using them as puppets to get at Israel.
That is the heart of the problem if anything is. Off course we play a part and some of our policies have to be changed, but to say Israel hasn't tried, or should not exist, just shows me that I am discussing this with people who have no clue.

no, having a discussion with a person over the internet who has thought enough about the matter as to be ready to discuss the need for a physical state of israel, as opposed to it existing as a transient nation immersed within the borders of other nations, doesnt mean that youre talking to someone who has no clue. it means youre talking to someone who can think past the "palestinian have bomb, palestinian BAD!" caveman mentality that you seem to embrace, and use as the justification for the barbarity committed by your nation.

i see more of your victims mentality shining through your posts, by the way. "its the leaders that are bad! theyre using them to get at us! its not our fault!"

hm?

Get it straight. Read my posts and see the fact I understand their side much more than you give me credit for.

remember my other post about a persons ability to perceive their own naivety? reread it. apply it to this last statement. come back and talk to me after that.

And understand one last thing. Humane or not, Israel will do all it has to do to survive and be the superior in this neighbourhood. Don't judge that, just accept it. We have no choice.

dont judge it, just accept it?

hey? who died and made you and your countrymen all powerful? i will judge what i will, and you cannot stop me. if i see something that is wrong, i will say so, and act accordingly - or do you think that the relative wealth of other jews somehow allows you to transcend basic human decency/morality?

We ARE the nice guy living in the bad neighbourhood. Beleive what you want but get your facts straight.

yah. nice guys. with guns. crossing the border and killing people. real nice.

 

[bluepeter]

It's ok. it's their land and they can do whatever they want.

No, it's not.

 

[Breeze]

Good? Bad? Will make no difference?

I know this sounds pretty bad, but I don't think the Iraeli/ Palestinian conflict will be solved until somebody nukes the whole region or god himself comes down from heaven and tells everybody what he thinks they should do. I think Israel wouldn't mind living in peace but it seems like the Palestinians have "destroy Israel" etched into their DNA. Ending "Jihad" would be like taking away football and Nascar in America. I think building the wall is a good idea, I'm sure lots of people in the Southern US wouldn't mind having one on our border but at least people who cross our borders don't detonate themselves on buses and in shopping malls. If they did, we would be less tolerant about it than Israel. I would imagine that the majority of Israelis know at least one person who has been injured or killed by a Palestinian homicide bomber. I think separating the 2 sides has a much better chance of improving the situation than ending their hatred for one another, that would take generations. I really don't care what Israel or Palestine do, but I realize that if they ever had all out war, especially nuclear war, we would almost certainly be drug into WW 3 and I do care about that.

 

[Whiskey]

WE need to put a wall up like that one between us and mexico. That would help our asses out a lot.

About their wall, I think they have every right. Yes, it might screw some people over and that is wrong, but they should make provisions so that certain farmers or business owners can go back and forth to work

Whiskey

 

[bluepeter]

I know this sounds pretty bad, but I don't think the Iraeli/ Palestinian conflict will be solved until somebody nukes the whole region or god himself comes down from heaven and tells everybody what he thinks they should do. I think Israel wouldn't mind living in peace but it seems like the Palestinians have "destroy Israel" etched into their DNA. Ending "Jihad" would be like taking away football and Nascar in America. I think building the wall is a good idea, I'm sure lots of people in the Southern US wouldn't mind having one on our border but at least people who cross our borders don't detonate themselves on buses and in shopping malls. If they did, we would be less tolerant about it than Israel. I would imagine that the majority of Israelis know at least one person who has been injured or killed by a Palestinian homicide bomber. I think separating the 2 sides has a much better chance of improving the situation than ending their hatred for one another, that would take generations. I really don't care what Israel or Palestine do, but I realize that if they ever had all out war, especially nuclear war, we would almost certainly be drug into WW 3 and I do care about that.

This is what I'm talking about. Palestinians, Palestinians, Palestinians. Blatantly one-sided support for Israel.

As for your example, I'm sure you would be less tolerant of it than Israel (if that were possible) but how about we give you another one to chew over? How about if Canada suddenly moved in and took over 90% of the US and gave you curfews and basically controlled everything you did and or said. Would you be pissed? Would you start resisting a little?

OK, and when you started your little resistance/protests, how about if those nasty Canadians started shooting you? Doing daily sweeps to pick up any possible dissenters?

What would you do then? You've been oppressed to the point where you have no resources to speak of. You're completely outgunned (hypothetical example OK? ). What do you do? Just accept it?

You'd hate the bastards too and you know it.

 

[manny78]

No, it's not.

It'S not ? So who's the proud owner of this land ?

 

[bluepeter]

It'S not ? So who's the proud owner of this land ?

That's the eternal debate isn't it?

 

[manny78]

That's the eternal debate isn't it?

yeah but so far, Isreal seems to be the "official" owner so as long as things remain this way, they have the right.