what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[bluepeter]

yeah but so far, Isreal seems to be the "official" owner so as long as things remain this way, they have the right.

and what claim to they have other than forcibly taking it?

 

[Dirk Howat]

If you are a christian then your religion believes that the jews are gods chosen people.

Of course.
I am not Christian or Jewish.
I do not believe Jews or Christians are choosen.
I actually think Christians are stupid bigits, many have good intentions and Jews by in large are power hungery, pieces of shit who want to rule the rule and take all your cash.

I believe the bible is b.s. as a religion.

There is no theology in the Old Testiment, just a people exterminating other people and saying they are chosen and god is smooting them.

The new testiment. There is no evidence that Jesus existed. Alot of what he said was pure b.s. Christianity is a slave religion. IMO, which Jews fabricated in order to destroy the Roman Empire, their arch enemy.

 

[Dirk Howat]

map of the wall:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/P/InnerPage&cid=1098245483730

They call it a Security "FENCE"

Ha, Ha.

Nice propanda spin.

How about

Iron Curtan

Palastinian Steel Ghetto Curtan

 

[Breeze]

This is what I'm talking about. Palestinians, Palestinians, Palestinians. Blatantly one-sided support for Israel.

As for your example, I'm sure you would be less tolerant of it than Israel (if that were possible) but how about we give you another one to chew over? How about if Canada suddenly moved in and took over 90% of the US and gave you curfews and basically controlled everything you did and or said. Would you be pissed? Would you start resisting a little?

OK, and when you started your little resistance/protests, how about if those nasty Canadians started shooting you? Doing daily sweeps to pick up any possible dissenters?

What would you do then? You've been oppressed to the point where you have no resources to speak of. You're completely outgunned (hypothetical example OK? ). What do you do? Just accept it?

You'd hate the bastards too and you know it.

You have a good point, I am not pro Israel by any means. I'm just sick of the whole situation and am not optimist about anything being worked out anytime soon. As an American of Scottish descent I do not have much in common with either side, ethnically or religiously, and if it weren't for the possibility that some Islamic wacko's will get nuclear weapons I probably wouldn't be overly concerned over a situation that I have no control over. If any number of Muslim countries or groups had the means they would nuke Israel in a heartbeat. Then, as always, we would get right in the middle of it and we would have WW3, or maybe even Armagaedon on our hands. I know both sides have done some pretty vile things to one another, and I realize the Palestinians cannot win in a head on military confrontation, but randomly murdering women and children is inexcusable and cowardly. From what I've observed, it seems that if the Palestinians would stop sending exploding humans into Israel, maybe Israel would stop sending tanks and helicoptors. I've heard people who accuse the US of intentionally killing civilians in the Middle East as a way to justify 9/11, as if you can compare the Trade Center attack to one of our bombs straying off and hitting an unintented target, or killing noncombatants because one of their family members is shooting at our troops through the front door of their home. Until Fallujah, we were having soldiers killed by gunmen shooting from Mosques, because gunmen knew we wouldn't dare attack a holy place. I guess we decided that if they weren't going to respect their own mosques and use them as battle stations then they would be fair targets, now Fallujah has fewer mosques. Israel could destroy Palestine in a day if they wanted to, and we could wipe out the Middle East if we did not show constaint. I doubt if Middle Eastern countries with nukes would hesitate for one moment to use them.

 

[Dirk Howat]

I can tell you all with complete confidence that Israel DESPERATELY wants the palesinians eduaction system to be as good as it can. Intelligence leads to moderate views and realistic actions.

This is bullshit.

Education leads to truth and effective action. Do you think Israel wants an effective, intelligent, educated, egotistical, people?

Course, they could brain wash them in school and control their media and have them watch t.v., creating programs that deabilitate their Islamic soul.

Yeehaaw



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[Gambino]

this is funny to me...all you peeps whinning about the mistreatment of the Palestines. "Let them be free" you cry. Yet, how come i don't see you saying the same thing about the Egyptians? Or the the N.Koreans? Or the Chinese??? Or the Iranians?????
All of them are under oppressive dictators, all of them could use your vocal support. Yet not a peep about these locked down folks. Not a fucking word. Why??? Cause the issue is not as sexy; no mean jews are there to point a fickle finger at.

Israel is a democracy surrounded by peeps who want to push them into the sea. Why those on the left are so for this is beyond me...

 

[CFZB]

Yet, how come i don't see you saying the same thing about the Egyptians? Or the the N.Koreans? Or the Chinese??? Or the Iranians?????
All of them are under oppressive dictators,

lets Go get them Kemosabe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/965000/images/_969442_afp_jew_baby150.jpg
(I Dont know What that Means.)

 

[bluepeter]

this is funny to me...all you peeps whinning about the mistreatment of the Palestines. "Let them be free" you cry. Yet, how come i don't see you saying the same thing about the Egyptians? Or the the N.Koreans? Or the Chinese??? Or the Iranians?????
All of them are under oppressive dictators, all of them could use your vocal support. Yet not a peep about these locked down folks. Not a fucking word. Why??? Cause the issue is not as sexy; no mean jews are there to point a fickle finger at.

Israel is a democracy surrounded by peeps who want to push them into the sea. Why those on the left are so for this is beyond me...

Uh, bullshit. I have spoken against such regimes many times. The reason it doesn't get the play is because the situation isn't the same and there isn't such blind support for the oppressive side.

As for those on the left being for this, I can't speak for everyone but I am not. I've never said Israel should just get the fuck out. Both sides need to grow up and compromise. The only thing I speak on in this conflict is the constant nonsense that it is all the Palestinians. The Israeli's are also at fault in this issue and are just as brutal. Just because they do it with sophisticated weaponry doesn't mean it is OK or that it isn't a terrorist act.

 

[bluepeter]

You have a good point, I am not pro Israel by any means. I'm just sick of the whole situation and am not optimist about anything being worked out anytime soon. As an American of Scottish descent I do not have much in common with either side, ethnically or religiously, and if it weren't for the possibility that some Islamic wacko's will get nuclear weapons I probably wouldn't be overly concerned over a situation that I have no control over. If any number of Muslim countries or groups had the means they would nuke Israel in a heartbeat. Then, as always, we would get right in the middle of it and we would have WW3, or maybe even Armagaedon on our hands. I know both sides have done some pretty vile things to one another, and I realize the Palestinians cannot win in a head on military confrontation, but randomly murdering women and children is inexcusable and cowardly. From what I've observed, it seems that if the Palestinians would stop sending exploding humans into Israel, maybe Israel would stop sending tanks and helicoptors. I've heard people who accuse the US of intentionally killing civilians in the Middle East as a way to justify 9/11, as if you can compare the Trade Center attack to one of our bombs straying off and hitting an unintented target, or killing noncombatants because one of their family members is shooting at our troops through the front door of their home. Until Fallujah, we were having soldiers killed by gunmen shooting from Mosques, because gunmen knew we wouldn't dare attack a holy place. I guess we decided that if they weren't going to respect their own mosques and use them as battle stations then they would be fair targets, now Fallujah has fewer mosques. Israel could destroy Palestine in a day if they wanted to, and we could wipe out the Middle East if we did not show constaint. I doubt if Middle Eastern countries with nukes would hesitate for one moment to use them.

I know they aren't in the Middle East but Pakistan has them. They are an Islamic country. How come they haven't nuked any Christians? How about North Korea? They aren't an Islamic state but they are surely a totalitarian regime.

As for comparing the death toll in 9/11 vs. Iraq, how many civilians were killed in 9/11 and how many have been killed in Iraq?

 

[Dirk Howat]

" Egyptians? Or the the N.Koreans? Or the Chinese??? Or the Iranians????? All of them are under oppressive dictators, "




What is an opressive dictator?

Ever read Plato?
Machiavelli?

Democracry is one stage before a mobocracy which is an opressive shit ass society.

Democracy is ruled by elites brainwashing the herd. The herd follows whatever the American dictators want us to do.

Its not the form of government which matters but what it does for the people.

There have been many authoritarian states which benefited their people much more then democratic ones.


The whole democracy argument is a guise in which to destroy Arabs and gain complete hegemony in the Middle East.

Wake Up.

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