what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[Allon]

Thought some you may find this interesting - http://www.jpost.com/
See Israeli press, I am not so into news and newspapaers, too much propaganda, but you will get more of a feel of the Israeli perspective if it interests you.

 

[Allon]

map of the wall:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/P/InnerPage&cid=1098245483730

 

[Gambino]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

naive...perhaps. if i were naive, i wouldnt know it, and hence any proclamation that i am not would be meaningless. i dont think that i am, however.

you mistake passion for agression...and perhaps slight irritation.

as to your comment that i have lived a sheltered life, well, in many ways i have - as do most people that have access to a computer and clean water. that doesnt mean that my opinion is worthless, however, nor does it mean that i am far from the truth.

something that i have often thought of in the israeli/palestinian conflict, though - and seems to pop up everytime someone says "why dont the palestinians just get over it" or similar - why is it that the jews need their own state anyway? i mean, they were dispersed throughout the world and seemed to be doing fine (apart form pissing off hitler, who tried to kill them all) - i mean, its double edged - firstly, there is no real need for a state called Israel to exist. jews seem quite happy living in other places, and so logically, assimilation into other peoples, or merely living amongst other peoples as a seperate culture seems to be a conflict-free way to do it, and secondly, if jews are so quick to say to palestinians "why dont you accept that we are superior" etc etc....well then, why did they not do the same before 1920, and just accept that the land formerly known as israel was lost?

anyway, truth be told, im just sick of the pro israeli spin i see everywhere. if you say something bad about a jew, youre anti-semitic. jewish soldiers always fight palestinian 'gunmen'. examples are everywhere, and people are buying it. pisses me off.

anyway

LOL why do they need their own state, fucking retarded statement.
"Just accept that Israel was lost" Just move on, it's only a homeland...


Mayn, your posts are just a tad annoying today. You are too self rigtheous and you fail to see things from any perspective except your own.

As well, it appears you hide behind intelluctual thought when really you dislike jews for some reason.

you bash USA and Israel though i doubt you have ever been to either nation.

Goldend = Hater

Oh and Dirk, that was me not PW that gave you red k with "hater"
I'll make sure to hit your dumbass again

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

LOL why do they need their own state, fucking retarded statement.
"Just accept that Israel was lost" Just move on, it's only a homeland...

retarded for me to say it about israel, but perfectly fine for the israelis to say it about the palestinians.

theres a hole in your logic, dear henry, dear henry, theres a hole in your logic, dear henry a hole

Mayn, your posts are just a tad annoying today. You are too self rigtheous and you fail to see things from any perspective except your own.

well by definition, everybody only ever sees anything from their own perspective.

i have nothing to do with the conflict, though - i really dont win or lose despite who wins. i can, however, see the difference between right and wrong, justice and injustice - and the palestinians are being screwed big time by the jews.

as per your karma message, i think it important to realise taht not agreeing with jewish policy does not make you anti-semitic. it just means that you do not agree with their policy - and israel has many, many hateful policies that they use towards the palestinians

As well, it appears you hide behind intelluctual thought when really you dislike jews for some reason.

i dont hide behind anything. in fact im doing the opposite. logically, if i wanted to hide anything, i would just keep my mouth shut. by putting my ideas forward, im actually exposing myself, NOT hiding.

i find it dissapointing that i can write long, articulate posts that explain my reasoning quite clearly, and theh get bullshit like "you hate jews for some reason"

how idiotic.

you bash USA and Israel though i doubt you have ever been to either nation.

well i havnt met cindy crawford and i can tell you that she is pretty.

you dont have to go someplace to form the opinions i have.

hell, many americans were born in america, but are among the most ignorant people i have ever come across. your opinion on this subject, for example, makes me think the same thing...

Goldend = Hater

no. goldend = says the truth that lots of people dont like to hear

 

[Testosterone boy]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

retarded for me to say it about israel, but perfectly fine for the israelis to say it about the palestinians.

theres a hole in your logic, dear henry, dear henry, theres a hole in your logic, dear henry a hole

well by definition, everybody only ever sees anything from their own perspective.

i have nothing to do with the conflict, though - i really dont win or lose despite who wins. i can, however, see the difference between right and wrong, justice and injustice - and the palestinians are being screwed big time by the jews.

as per your karma message, i think it important to realise taht not agreeing with jewish policy does not make you anti-semitic. it just means that you do not agree with their policy - and israel has many, many hateful policies that they use towards the palestinians

i dont hide behind anything. in fact im doing the opposite. logically, if i wanted to hide anything, i would just keep my mouth shut. by putting my ideas forward, im actually exposing myself, NOT hiding.

i find it dissapointing that i can write long, articulate posts that explain my reasoning quite clearly, and theh get bullshit like "you hate jews for some reason"

how idiotic.

well i havnt met cindy crawford and i can tell you that she is pretty.

you dont have to go someplace to form the opinions i have.

hell, many americans were born in america, but are among the most ignorant people i have ever come across. your opinion on this subject, for example, makes me think the same thing...


no. goldend = says the truth that lots of people dont like to hear

Did you see my thread about changing names?

Don't get too big headed down under.

 

[Gambino]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

retarded for me to say it about israel, but perfectly fine for the israelis to say it about the palestinians.




no. goldend = says the truth that lots of people dont like to hear

well fix it dear liza dear liza fix it dear Liza


goddamn that is a ignorant song, i hated as a child, and i hate it now.
Read a book on the history of Israel and tell me it doesn't hav a right to be there.
Israel is all for a Palestine state.

goldend = biased truth finder

 

[CFZB]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

tell me it doesn't hav a right to be there.
Israel is all for a Palestine state.

But why are we the Nannies?

I am curious.

 

[Gambino]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

But why are we the Nannies?

I am curious.

are you talking about the tidal wave?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

well fix it dear liza dear liza fix it dear Liza


goddamn that is a ignorant song, i hated as a child, and i hate it now.
Read a book on the history of Israel and tell me it doesn't hav a right to be there.
Israel is all for a Palestine state.

goldend = biased truth finder

you fucked up the words, dear gambino, dear gambino, you fucked up the words, gambino, of the song

anyway israel is totally for a palestinian state...exactly how they want it, when they want it, as they want it. west bank? occupied illegally. all the bits of palestine behind the wall? effectively annexed. illegally. sure, the israelis are all for a palestinian state...so long as they exclude those parts. oh, and the settlement areas (dont you love the word "settlement"? makes it sound like it was all built from scratch, rather than the takeover of houses owned by palestinians. former palestinian neighbourhood minus the palestinians, plus a bunch of israelis = israeli settlement. personally id use the word "outpost" but the israeli warmongers/landgrabbers dont like the imagery)

oh, and they dont want the palestinians to become a terribly educated group, which is why they keep sabotaging the education system. or to have a terribly good economy...which is why they undermine it militarily (obstruction of fields etc etc)

does anyone else get the feeling that the israelis want a palestinian state to fit perfectly into the bits of the contested territory that they dont really want that much? full of uneducated, unproductive people?

im passionate about this sort of thing. being greek by blood, i get fairly annoyed at what the turks have done to the greek cypriots on the island of cyprus, which rather closely parallels what is happening to the palestinians.

anyway, test boy mang, my head isnt getting any bigger (i think its at maximum size as it is already

 

[bluepeter]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

well fix it dear liza dear liza fix it dear Liza


goddamn that is a ignorant song, i hated as a child, and i hate it now.
Read a book on the history of Israel and tell me it doesn't hav a right to be there.
Israel is all for a Palestine state.

goldend = biased truth finder

Sorry dude, I call bullshit on that one. Israel wants a Palestinian state? Perhaps one on Israel's terms that completely ignores and debilitates Palestinians. Maybe that's why there's still some festering animosity over there?

I think GD goes a little farther than I would if you look at his posts but he is obviously just as sick of the blatant one-sided support of Israel as I am. If he is biased, what do you call all the pro-Israelites that unconditionally support their brutal oppression of the Palestinians? Biased perhaps?

I'm a little more of a fence sitter than GD in that there are many short-sighted, ignorant people on both sides of this conflict. Both entities need to stop the adolescent game of tit for tat that has been going on for decades.