what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[Allon]

I was interested to see an Israeli's point of view. Always appreciate different viewpoints.

Cool, that comment was actually directed to GD.

I really think you would see things differently if you came to Israel Bluepeter. It is a small country. from Tel aviv to the wall is a 30 minute drive. Tel aviv is on the coast...

 

[bluepeter]

Cool, that comment was actually directed to GD.

I really think you would see things differently if you came to Israel Bluepeter. It is a small country. from Tel aviv to the wall is a 30 minute drive. Tel aviv is on the coast...

I'm sure I would. At the same time, I might also see things differently yet again if I spent some time in the Palestinian territory. It's all relative.

 

[Allon]

I'm sure I would. At the same time, I might also see things differently yet again if I spent some time in the Palestinian territory. It's all relative.

LOL, ok you got me there, good point.

I really do see their side of it. I just don't not see the Israeli side of it either... I am full of contradictions.
All in all I do think Israel needs to leave the victim mindest in order to be able to deal with this situation, still doesn't mean I don't think that palestinian government doesn't need to change the goals and tactics. The wall is Israels dramatic answer at this moment to the escalted violence and won't go down for some time unfortunately.

 

[bluepeter]

LOL, ok you got me there, good point.

I really do see their side of it. I just don't not see the Israeli side of it either... I am full of contradictions.
All in all I do think Israel needs to leave the victim mindest in order to be able to deal with this situation, still doesn't mean I don't think that palestinian government doesn't need to change the goals and tactics. The wall is Israels dramatic answer at this moment to the escalted violence and won't go down for some time unfortunately.

Yes, both sides need to change tactics and putting up a wall across Palestinian land is not a positive move with regards to this.

I liken it to 2 people having a dialogue about a touchy subject they cannot agree upon. At some point, the dialogue becomes an argument and one party simply throws up a mental wall, refusing to engage in further communication. That is not a healthy way to communicate and will only harden the other person's resolve.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

Goldendelicious and blue peter. If you were to come to Israel you would see things differently probably.

Goldendelicious. You are naive and aggressive in your posts. You are self righteous and misinformed. You have no grasp of reality. LOL, you obviously have lived a real cushioned existense with no real dangers or paranioa about the future of your people.

I wish all people were like you. There would be no wars. But they are not like you, and therefore if Israeli's/Jews were to see things the way you do, we would be extinct.

Go take a walk through Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq. Tell me after that, that Israel have nothing to be worried about and should see things the way you do.

Anyway, really, I only answered on this thread as I thought an Israeli's point of view of the wall would be interesting to the thinkers here. Not to defend it or anything about Israel, just to show my point of view.

Pick a fight with some else if that is what you are looking for. There are many "causes" out there. Are you a vegetarian?

naive...perhaps. if i were naive, i wouldnt know it, and hence any proclamation that i am not would be meaningless. i dont think that i am, however.

you mistake passion for agression...and perhaps slight irritation.

as to your comment that i have lived a sheltered life, well, in many ways i have - as do most people that have access to a computer and clean water. that doesnt mean that my opinion is worthless, however, nor does it mean that i am far from the truth.

something that i have often thought of in the israeli/palestinian conflict, though - and seems to pop up everytime someone says "why dont the palestinians just get over it" or similar - why is it that the jews need their own state anyway? i mean, they were dispersed throughout the world and seemed to be doing fine (apart form pissing off hitler, who tried to kill them all) - i mean, its double edged - firstly, there is no real need for a state called Israel to exist. jews seem quite happy living in other places, and so logically, assimilation into other peoples, or merely living amongst other peoples as a seperate culture seems to be a conflict-free way to do it, and secondly, if jews are so quick to say to palestinians "why dont you accept that we are superior" etc etc....well then, why did they not do the same before 1920, and just accept that the land formerly known as israel was lost?

anyway, truth be told, im just sick of the pro israeli spin i see everywhere. if you say something bad about a jew, youre anti-semitic. jewish soldiers always fight palestinian 'gunmen'. examples are everywhere, and people are buying it. pisses me off.

anyway

 

[Allon]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

naive...perhaps. if i were naive, i wouldnt know it, and hence any proclamation that i am not would be meaningless. i dont think that i am, however.

you mistake passion for agression...and perhaps slight irritation.

as to your comment that i have lived a sheltered life, well, in many ways i have - as do most people that have access to a computer and clean water. that doesnt mean that my opinion is worthless, however, nor does it mean that i am far from the truth.

something that i have often thought of in the israeli/palestinian conflict, though - and seems to pop up everytime someone says "why dont the palestinians just get over it" or similar - why is it that the jews need their own state anyway? i mean, they were dispersed throughout the world and seemed to be doing fine (apart form pissing off hitler, who tried to kill them all) - i mean, its double edged - firstly, there is no real need for a state called Israel to exist. jews seem quite happy living in other places, and so logically, assimilation into other peoples, or merely living amongst other peoples as a seperate culture seems to be a conflict-free way to do it, and secondly, if jews are so quick to say to palestinians "why dont you accept that we are superior" etc etc....well then, why did they not do the same before 1920, and just accept that the land formerly known as israel was lost?

anyway, truth be told, im just sick of the pro israeli spin i see everywhere. if you say something bad about a jew, youre anti-semitic. jewish soldiers always fight palestinian 'gunmen'. examples are everywhere, and people are buying it. pisses me off.

anyway

Your last point about the pro israeli spin I understand your point of view completely and even agree with your opinion.

Regarding why does Israel have to exist? FUCK OFF! - LOL -

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

Your last point about the pro israeli spin I understand your point of view completely and even agree with your opinion.

Regarding why does Israel have to exist? FUCK OFF! - LOL -

oooooooh but its the palestinians who are unreasonable?

 

[Allon]

No, just you.

Good bye now.

 

[jestros]

I think its a little late to give the country back to the palistinians. But I think that Israel was founded on bullshit principals. The zionists used every bit of sympathy post wwII.
Here's a good analogy for the founding of Isreal.
There's a group of homeless living scattered throughout the city. One day they get together and say "hey my great great granddaddy used to live in that house on the hill."
So they get some guns, kick in the door, throw out the occupants and say "It's my house now bitch"

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

No, just you.

Good bye now.

well, i can see why palestinians take to your countrymen with explosive vests