what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around itself?

[Allon]

Israel is a democracy surrounded by peeps who want to push them into the sea. Why those on the left are so for this is beyond me...

Amen Gambino, that is as close to the truth as you can say it IMO.

Ok, I am again not gonna bother answering Dirk, I may as well discuss politics with a 2 year old...

GD, I really think you have serious issues with reality, or understanding humanity. THE STRONG GUY GETS TO SAY WHAT HAPPENS...

America are doing it to the whole world, not that I am saying it is ok, or that I agree with it but they do. If America were to demand that Israel does something, we would probably be forced to do it and would do it. WHY? Coz we are not stupid. Duh.

Now, in many cases America has kinda demanded we do things that are not in our interest and we said no, but we managed to keep them happy with us. WHY? Coz we are not stupid. And, we have our strong jewish lobby there. WHY? It is a matter of survival...

This is something you do not seem to understand. Or the palestinians for either... which is my point.



We are the victim in the middle east, but we are since 73 the superior victim, and when it comes to the palestinians, or actually any other arab nation, we have stopped being the victims.

Now stop a second and use the intelligence that you obviously do actually possess and ask yourself... How is it that against all odds Israel is in the condition it is in.

well?

Definitely not by being good sports to the palestinians. That is not a comfort we have, even though self righteous people like you demand it.

I am sure you will in your annoying way break up this post into 50 thousand quotes and reply to each one in an argumentative way, but if you want to actually have an intelligent conversation and try to understand what an Israeli who is not a blood hungry demon like you so want to beleive we are, thinks, then answer me back in not such an aggressive, way. You have proven to me so far that you do not understand anything about the situation here, it is not black and white, at all. I am willing to discuss it with you if you are capable of trying to understand what it would be like to be Israeli.

I have tried to understand what it would be like to be a palestinian, and I think it changed a lot of how I saw things myself, but it did not make me blind either. So I am sure you can try see how it would be like to be an Israeli without being blinded, it will be harder for you there in Aussie land, than it was for me here in the heart of the situation, but at least you have nothing to lose.

Anyway my point is that if you wanted to even try understand us from a humane point of view or from seeing the facts as they are, you would not be pointing the finger so hard. It is so obvious that the situation here is much more dynamic but also to a westerner like you it is also obvious that:

Israel is a democracy surrounded by peeps who want to push them into the sea.

Imagine that?

 

[CFZB]

People need to Realize we Share the Planet.

 

[Gambino]

gd owned by someone with first hand knowledge

Allon, did you say something about the aborigines taking back Aus?
That was a good point though i'm sure gd snaked out of it with his
pusedo-intelligent ramblings.z

 

[Allon]

Yeh Gambino, I didn't bother answering him on that coz I am sure he knows himself that saying the aboriganees will get education, and then learn how to go to court and claim back their lands is a farce.

I agree with you perfect world. Lets let all mexicans into the states, once that example has been set, make another like giving them American passports. With such a great example set by Huge and strong America, I am sure Israel will follow and hand out Israeli citizenship to all the arabs in the middle east.

Seriously though... I do agree with you in the big picture. But this thread here it seems to me is not about the big philosophical picture. It is about humanity in the year 2005. Long time till we get to that borderless utopia Bro.

 

[CFZB]

Long time till we get to that borderless utopia Bro.

Well.

I quess Thats Up to Us

Isnt It?

 

[Gambino]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

People need to Realize we Share the Planet.

borders preserve cultural identity and heritage.
America is great because of it's strong borders.
A strong border preserves land for those fit and educated
enough to use it. Hence the english and government test
required to be a citizen here.

 

[CFZB]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

borders preserve cultural identity and heritage.

NOpe.

People and Education do This.

 

[Allon]

Borders are shit and the world does need to become one.

Israel is not the place to start but who knows, maybe that is what will happen here in the end.

 

[Breeze]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

borders preserve cultural identity and heritage.
America is great because of it's strong borders.
A strong border preserves land for those fit and educated
enough to use it. Hence the english and government test
required to be a citizen here.

Strong borders? Where? When? Apparently you haven't been to South Texas lately. We could control our borders if our government wanted to, but obviously they don't. We are too busy trying to run other countries to protect and preserve our own. The Roman Empire sent it's money and armies all around the world while failing to take care of problems at home and they fell. We should learn from history.

 

[CFZB]

Re: what is your opinion of the fence/wall/barrier that Isreal is building around its

Strong borders? Where? When? Apparently you haven't been to South Texas lately. We could control our borders if our government wanted to, but obviously they don't. We are too busy trying to run other countries to protect and preserve our own. The Roman Empire sent it's money and armies all around the world while failing to take care of problems at home and they fell. We should learn from history.

yes.

yes We Should.