What is going to happen?

[Smokescreen]

My wife has BAD tendonitis of both shoulders. She now is going to require a hydrocortisone shot. Acutally she needs two! One in each shoulder. What is going to happen now? Does this mean that she is going to loose lots of muscle? Does this mean she is going to get fat? And if so, is there a way to stop this from happening?

She has been on anti-inflammatory medication for quite some time now but it is not helping her at all. So that is why now she needs to get these shots.

 

[Mr.X]

My wife has BAD tendonitis of both shoulders. She now is going to require a hydrocortisone shot. Acutally she needs two! One in each shoulder. What is going to happen now? Does this mean that she is going to loose lots of muscle? Does this mean she is going to get fat? And if so, is there a way to stop this from happening?

She has been on anti-inflammatory medication for quite some time now but it is not helping her at all. So that is why now she needs to get these shots.

Let me ask you this, has the doctor tried other cures, eastern / western? before suggesting cort shots? You do know those shots are a temporary solution to a bigger problem.

 

[scout69]

no she wont loose to much muscle the shot hurts like a bitch though but dont worry she'll be fine..no if she cant workout for a while that could cause muscle loss but not from the shot its self

 

[krishna]

Let me ask you this, has the doctor tried other cures, eastern / western? before suggesting cort shots? You do know those shots are a temporary solution to a bigger problem.

Agreed! Make sure you know all your options before submitting to cortisone shots.

 

[Smokescreen]

She hasn't trained upper body in weeks! She only does lower body. But the past 3 weeks she has been in so much pain that she hasn't trained at all! She went to the doctor and explained to him the pain she was in. All he prescribed to her was the anti-inflammatory medication. Said to take it for 12 days straight. And if that doesn't make it go away, that she would need the shots. And it looks like she is going to need those shots.

 

[Mr.X]

She hasn't trained upper body in weeks! She only does lower body. But the past 3 weeks she has been in so much pain that she hasn't trained at all! She went to the doctor and explained to him the pain she was in. All he prescribed to her was the anti-inflammatory medication. Said to take it for 12 days straight. And if that doesn't make it go away, that she would need the shots. And it looks like she is going to need those shots.

I suggest you look into alternative medicine, from deep tissue massage, to accupuncture, to herbal treatments. Those shots are a short-term solution, and not a healthy one at that.

 

[Smokescreen]

I suggest you look into alternative medicine, from deep tissue massage, to accupuncture, to herbal treatments. Those shots are a short-term solution, and not a healthy one at that.

X, she can't even be touched in those areas. She fucking screams in pain! She hasn't been able to sleep in weeks! We haven't had sex or left the house on the weekends in weeks! And these shots....what is going to happen? You say that are NOT going to heal her? So then what are these shots for then? They must serve a purpose.

 

[LT3]

/\/\/\ Agree /\/\/\

 

[Bruce]

they numb the pain bro. its what they used to give athletes when they tore a ligament and wanted to keep them in the game, then the tear became permanent and the career was over, it happened countless times. i was addicted to vicodin from pain from surgery and it is the hardest thing to kick ever. you should really see if there is a form of physical therapy that she can start on to fix the problem at its root. best of luck

 

[Sassy69]

I think they are really nothing but a pain killer. Don't actually fix or heal anything. The scary part there is that they will mask pain (which is the body's way of saying "GODDAMMIT FIX ME!") and if you think you "feel OK", you may go & do something that aggravates the situation (the deeper issue that Mr. X refers to) and you end up even worse when the shots wear off.

I had an aerobics teacher years ago when we still did 'hi impact aerobics" who had shin splints so bad she had to get regular cortisone shots - she could've easily had some brutal hairline fractures that were getting pummeled every time she taught aerobics - in my mind I suggested that she look for another job....

 

[Mr.X]

X, she can't even be touched in those areas. She fucking screams in pain! She hasn't been able to sleep in weeks! We haven't had sex or left the house on the weekends in weeks! And these shots....what is going to happen? You say that are NOT going to heal her? So then what are these shots for then? They must serve a purpose.

It's not going to heal her, it's a temporary solution. It's like patching up a hole in your tire with bubble gum. You need to figure out the root of the problem and seek treatment, so go to a specialist asap and get it stared.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ok so now what? You all are scaring me! I mean, like i said, she can't move her arms for shit! I have to drive her to work, she can't sleep, she is suffering. This is what I got so far...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

It is used as an anti-inflammatory. She is in pain because she has inflammation. Wouldn't you think that these shots get rid of the pain because it will lower inflammation? But then again she has been on anti-inflammatories for a few days and they have not been helping her out at all.

 

[Smokescreen]

It's not going to heal her, it's a temporary solution. It's like patching up a hole in your tire with bubble gum. You need to figure out the root of the problem and seek treatment, so go to a specialist asap and get it stared.

Shit! LOL He is the specialist!

 

[Mr.X]

Ok so now what? You all are scaring me! I mean, like i said, she can't move her arms for shit! I have to drive her to work, she can't sleep, she is suffering. This is what I got so far...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

It is used as an anti-inflammatory. She is in pain because she has inflammation. Wouldn't you think that these shots get rid of the pain because it will lower inflammation? But then again she has been on anti-inflammatories for a few days and they have not been helping her out at all.

You said she has tendonitis, which is basically tendon inflammation. Anti-inflammatory drugs in such severe tendonitis cases tend to be just a temporary patch on the problem. She can have the shots temporarily, but she should seek professional long-term alternative treatment for the problem. You should do anything you can to avoid possible surgery for the tendonitis, as that's what a lot of doctors in the states tend to end up recommending.

 

[Mr.X]

Shit! LOL He is the specialist!

I didn't make it clear. Alternative medicine specialist (eastern medicine). A lot of western medical treatment is either based on ibuprofen, a shot of pain killers, or surgery.

 

[digger]

Whoa. Cortisone is NOT a "play hurt" pain-killer like vicodin. It is a potent anti-inflammatory, in the steroid family.

Saying that cortisone "isn't a cure" is a little bit beside the point; sure, it would be great to fix everything by finding and treating some underlying cause, but sometimes treating the symptom is the only thing that can be done. Maybe the cause was something trivial and your wife's immune system got a little carried away in responding to it. Cortisone tells the immune system to chill out.

Maybe the cause is not something that can be treated directly -- but the symptom, the inflammation, can be. It sounds like the orals aren't doing the job, so the doctor -- and WTF do you peeps think you're doing second-guessing a DOCTOR??? -- wants to deliver it directly to the site of the problem. That makes some sense.

You have a doctor, for Pete's sake! ASK HIM.

 

[Sassy69]

Ok well "pain killer" wasn't the correct term - but I guess it does suggest that exploring the potential sources w/ the doctor is viable. Often it seems that if you go in & really let the doc know that the pain is that bad, the solution will be a cortisone shot to deal w/ the pain. I guess the question would be is this the only solution then and it becomes somethign you have to do on a regular basis or if it does allow a chance for the body to get itself back in order. Obviously I would defer to the doc, but certainly doesnt' hurt to press for options.

 

[LT3]

wut do you mean bro? we're supposed to take one doctors words as fact. i have seen many situations where different doctors have said different things, so i wouldnt put my trust on one doctor. secondly like mr.x said, it would be a good idea to consult an eastern specialist, lets be honest western medicine treats symptoms as opposed to eastern medicine that treats the root problem.

 

[maldorf]

X, she can't even be touched in those areas. She fucking screams in pain! She hasn't been able to sleep in weeks! We haven't had sex or left the house on the weekends in weeks! And these shots....what is going to happen? You say that are NOT going to heal her? So then what are these shots for then? They must serve a purpose.

The shots are corticosteroid, which will cause a decrease in swelling in the area which will relieve the pain. Right now there is enough swelling that it is decompressing the nerves in that area. Once the swelling goes down, it should heal faster too. What you have to do is find out what caused the tendonititis to begin with. I had it bad and with a little thought I figured out it was flat bench presses, never did them again. I rarely have the tendonititis now. Perhaps she was overworking that area with a particular exercise or series of exercises, maybe its badly overtrained.

 

[Smokescreen]

wut do you mean bro? we're supposed to take one doctors words as fact. i have seen many situations where different doctors have said different things, so i wouldnt put my trust on one doctor. secondly like mr.x said, it would be a good idea to consult an eastern specialist, lets be honest western medicine treats symptoms as opposed to eastern medicine that treats the root problem.

What kind of doctor specilized in western medicine? How do we find him/her? And we do have to pick a doctor that is in the insurance book. Otherwise she isn't covered at all.

This doctor wants to avoid the shots and especially surgery. That is why he took x-rays and gave her the anti-inflammatory pills with a pain killer...percocet. The pain killer is to kill the pain while the other medication does its job for the next few days. He said that after a couple of weeks if the pain is stil there, that she will need the shots. If the shots don't do it....then surgery.

 

[Reubsf]

The shots are corticosteroid, which will cause a decrease in swelling in the area which will relieve the pain. Right now there is enough swelling that it is compressing the nerves in that area. Once the swelling goes down, it should heal faster too.

True, and when the swelling goes down, physical therapy can be started without further irritating the once swollen tendons.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Shit I'm sorry or your wife bro. Try to do as much research as you can; I'm not a doctor and I'm not an expert but I don't trust doctors; they usually "recommend" a treatment having in mind what will give them as much money as possible from the insurance companies. And as long as they have their asses covered with insurances and those drugs are FDA approved, they don't really care about a real and definitive solution for the patience.

good luck!!

 

[maldorf]

What kind of doctor specilized in western medicine? How do we find him/her? And we do have to pick a doctor that is in the insurance book. Otherwise she isn't covered at all.

This doctor wants to avoid the shots and especially surgery. That is why he took x-rays and gave her the anti-inflammatory pills with a pain killer...percocet. The pain killer is to kill the pain while the other medication does its job for the next few days. He said that after a couple of weeks if the pain is stil there, that she will need the shots. If the shots don't do it....then surgery.

I would hope they will do an MRI if the cortisone injections dont work. That percocet is supposed to be a strong pain killer.

 

[Smokescreen]

Shit I'm sorry or your wife bro. Try to do as much research as you can; I'm not a doctor and I'm not an expert but I don't trust doctors; they usually "recommend" a treatment having in mind what will give them as much money as possible from the insurance companies. And as long as they have their asses covered with insurances and those drugs are FDA approved, they don't really care about a real and definitive solution for the patience.

good luck!!

Thanks man! Hey! I haven't seen you in a while! LOL

 

[Smokescreen]

I would hope they will do an MRI if the cortisone injections dont work. That percocet is supposed to be a strong pain killer.

Half a pill kills her pain but knocks her out!

 

[Indy]

My wife has BAD tendonitis of both shoulders. She now is going to require a hydrocortisone shot. Acutally she needs two! One in each shoulder. What is going to happen now? Does this mean that she is going to loose lots of muscle? Does this mean she is going to get fat? And if so, is there a way to stop this from happening?

She has been on anti-inflammatory medication for quite some time now but it is not helping her at all. So that is why now she needs to get these shots.

It's not the end, the cort shots will probably work. Being in the shoulders if it does not, then she needs an MRI, that will detect micro tears in the tendons, all tendons together equal the rotator cuff. They cannot heal on their own unless micro in size, and surgery is required which will normally fix it, but rest and time off helps all. Have her do some rotation excersizes, look them up on the internet, do them EVERYDAY, ice if it hurts, and by all means DONT take HGH. I went thru this for a long time. I was benching 365lbs at a weight of 195 and my body just wasnt ready for it, cause micro tears, resultin in tendonitis, these excersizes really helped. Then when I quit HGH, they went away completely.

 

[LT3]

What kind of doctor specilized in western medicine? How do we find him/her? And we do have to pick a doctor that is in the insurance book. Otherwise she isn't covered at all.

This doctor wants to avoid the shots and especially surgery. That is why he took x-rays and gave her the anti-inflammatory pills with a pain killer...percocet. The pain killer is to kill the pain while the other medication does its job for the next few days. He said that after a couple of weeks if the pain is stil there, that she will need the shots. If the shots don't do it....then surgery.

Bro the doctor youre seeing right now is a western doctor. what i was saying is maybe you want to consult a doctor with a background in eastern medicine such as accupuncture. as far as insurance goes, i doubt it will cover it, but a consultation shouldnt cost you anything. i understand your wife is in terrible pain right now and you both pretty much just want the pain to stop, but all im saying is, a consultation with a doctor that applies a different approach could be a good idea. like i said before western medicine usually treats symptoms and what is visible, like X said temporary solution. think about it, your wife takes the shots the pain goes away, then it comes back, then she takes other shots and it goes away, then again and again, personally if i could i would try to permanently cure it, not just mask it. on the other hand eastern medicine tends to look at the root problem, the problem thats causing the symptoms, a permanent cure. all im saying is you might want to look into it, before doing something that you might regret. or maybe who knows, the shots may be the perfect solution. but dont you want to be a bit more certain before deciding.

 

[maldorf]

It's not the end, the cort shots will probably work. Being in the shoulders if it does not, then she needs an MRI, that will detect micro tears in the tendons, all tendons together equal the rotator cuff. They cannot heal on their own unless micro in size, and surgery is required which will normally fix it, but rest and time off helps all. Have her do some rotation excersizes, look them up on the internet, do them EVERYDAY, ice if it hurts, and by all means DONT take HGH. I went thru this for a long time. I was benching 365lbs at a weight of 195 and my body just wasnt ready for it, cause micro tears, resultin in tendonitis, these excersizes really helped. Then when I quit HGH, they went away completely.

Hum, HGH made it worse? I might have guessed it would help. I wonder what IGF would do for the tendons/ I felt like it helped my leg heal after I tore it.

 

[Indy]

Hum, HGH made it worse? I might have guessed it would help. I wonder what IGF would do for the tendons/ I felt like it helped my leg heal after I tore it.

Oh yea HGH will fuck it up, it's a known side effect to cause tendonitis, if you are lucky only in your wrists and most everyone sees that, I got the shoulders also.

With IGF-1 I have seen no sides what so ever.

 

[maldorf]

Oh yea HGH will fuck it up, it's a known side effect to cause tendonitis, if you are lucky only in your wrists and most everyone sees that, I got the shoulders also.

With IGF-1 I have seen no sides what so ever.

Havent messed with HGH yet, because of the price. I am thinking about it in the future though, and I am glad you brought up this side effect. I had read that a long time ago, but forgotten about the tendonitis.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I had a torn/almost dislocated rotator cuff. Using DMSO, and also Prolotherapy as recomeded by Zyglamail helped tremendously. Until then i couldnt lift a spoon to eat!

ITs called Prolotherapy......it may be covered under insurance although it is an alternative medicine. Its not that expensive if its not. They inject stuff in the shoulder to make it hurt and swell. Thus gets blood going and healing. Complete opposite of BS crap like masking the pain. This is a cure. Not simply a way to deal with pain. I swear buy the pain/inflamation method. Anti- inflamitories are the pronblem. Thru their use you essentialy gaurantee that the condition will not heal. I would make it hurt and swell go for the prolo while the condition is still fresh and can respond. In the meantime you can kill pain with other methods prescribed...such as pain meds that work in a different loop.

 

[Smokescreen]

Bro the doctor youre seeing right now is a western doctor. what i was saying is maybe you want to consult a doctor with a background in eastern medicine such as accupuncture. as far as insurance goes, i doubt it will cover it, but a consultation shouldnt cost you anything. i understand your wife is in terrible pain right now and you both pretty much just want the pain to stop, but all im saying is, a consultation with a doctor that applies a different approach could be a good idea. like i said before western medicine usually treats symptoms and what is visible, like X said temporary solution. think about it, your wife takes the shots the pain goes away, then it comes back, then she takes other shots and it goes away, then again and again, personally if i could i would try to permanently cure it, not just mask it. on the other hand eastern medicine tends to look at the root problem, the problem thats causing the symptoms, a permanent cure. all im saying is you might want to look into it, before doing something that you might regret. or maybe who knows, the shots may be the perfect solution. but dont you want to be a bit more certain before deciding.

Sorry I fucked up. I really meant to type in EASTERN medicine not western.

 

[pendit]

I'm sorry to hear about your wife's condition. When did the pain start? Was it gradual or did she just wake up one morning in pain? Try to think back to when it started, it might help find the root of the problem. The unfortunate thing about our medical pros is they treat the symptom and not the problem. When that corto shot wears off, she'll be back to square one. Have a good chiropractor check her neck for subluxations.

 

[Smokescreen]

Oh by the way...the cause of the problem is her or shoudl I say was her fucking trainer! Fucking bitch has always trained with me and out of the blue this year decides to all of a sudden want to try to train with a certified trainer. A piece of shit trainer that fucked up her shoulders.

This fucking guy like to train heavy, hard and tooooo fucking fast! I mean quick fast reps with only a few seconds of rest in between. NO! I don't mean like 60-90 seconds rest. I'm talking quick fast explosive reps with only 8-10 seconds rest before doing another 20 reps! This fucking guy was pissing me off!

I told my wife that his training is going to fuck up her body one of these days. One day while training I was peeping them out. I noticed his training and I did not like it. So I went up to him and told him that he needs to chill out. That he is going to cause her great injury like that. He just looked at me and said..." I know what I'm doing ".

Fine I just walked away. But then I came back and told him..." If she ends up injured because of your training you are going to have to answer to me". He gave me this really fucking hard look and said..." relax, I know what I'm doing OK! ".

I walked away and continued my training. Now weeks later she ends up all fucked up in massive amounts of pain. Just two weeks ago I'm walking into the gym and this fucker walks by me and says WASSUP! I yelled out....GO FUCK YOURSELF!

LOL...The whole gym suddenly stopped and looked right at me and him. More at me of couse because I yelled out the shit. So I sat down at a flat bench to get my belt out of my bag. He walks up to me all pissed off and whispers into my ear..." what is your problem dude?".

I stand up and get up all in his face and yell out...YOU'RE MY FUCKING PROBLEM MOTHERFUCKER! YOUR FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT TRAINING HAS LANDED MY WIFE IN THE HOSPITAL AND SEVERLY INJURED! I TOLD YOU 2 TIMES TO TAKE IT EASY AND BECUASE OF YOUR SHIT TRAINING NOW MY WIFE IS IN THE HOSPITAL!!!

I continued to curse him out and yell out shit to him but then he turned around and started to walk away. He gets the manager and the manager comes to me. All I remember was him saying CALM DOWN, CALM DOWN. But I continued to hurt this trainers business by doing free advertising for him and letting others know that if you train with this guy you will end up injured.

Manager walks away, I train and leave. Next day...everybody starts asking me what the fuck was that all about? I told everybody and they all agreed that his training was too crazy! I haven't seen this trainer ever since.

Well! This is what my wife gets for not listening to me. I jsut don't udnerstand her. She has trained with me for many years and now all of a sudden she decides to try another trainer. As if her body wasn't already in top shape as it is.

 

[Smokescreen]

I'm sorry to hear about your wife's condition. When did the pain start? Was it gradual or did she just wake up one morning in pain? Try to think back to when it started, it might help find the root of the problem. The unfortunate thing about our medical pros is they treat the symptom and not the problem. When that corto shot wears off, she'll be back to square one. Have a good chiropractor check her neck for subluxations.

neck for subluxations? What is this?

 

[PolfaJelfa]

You seem like one pist off SOB. You cant blame the trainer, if your wife is an advanced bb, fitness chick...and she had a good composition body. She probably told him what her goals are...he just wanted to take here there. Its a tough call to make over the board. One would have to see the situation to be able to administer guilt. If you feel you have been wronged that much i would sue the gym.

 

[Smokescreen]

You seem like one pist off SOB. You cant blame the trainer, if your wife is an advanced bb, fitness chick...and she had a good composition body. She probably told him what her goals are...he just wanted to take here there. Its a tough call to make over the board. One would have to see the situation to be able to administer guilt. If you feel you have been wronged that much i would sue the gym.

Well...he isn't back! I haven't seen him. Yeah I'm pissed off! This is my wife. My best friend for 10 years. I love her. Wouldn't you be pissed? Bro! This fucking trainers training was just too silly. I mean waayyyyy too silly! And I was not BSing you on how he was training her.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Bro..i understand about you being pist etc..its your wife...thats a give in you be pist. But honestly is it that much this guys fault. How long has yoru wife been workin out? Did she not feel pain be4.?

Can you give an example of a day of excercises you have seen. She could be doing training 300 reps per minute as long as its controled she should be fine. You sure it had to do with PT?

 

[JohnnyWest]

neck for subluxations? What is this?

As far as i know, basicly pinched nerves from misaligned vertebrae.
I have one in my lower back for a long time now, it causes all kinds of problems. But its getting better through a chiropractor. By no means am i a doctor, but it sounds like she has micro tears in the tendons, like everyone else said.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Doctos are often times wrong and dont know CRAP.

Sorry thats the way it is. Fact is they have been taught to seel drugs. Most doctors are nothign but drug/surgery dealers.

According to 2 doctors i would NEVER....EVER...ever........ever...ever...ever...lit anything resemblling a weight again in my life without surgery. I couldnt lift a spoon.
This came from people who had their "educations" ( misseducations).....morons.
I thankfully ran across a good brother called ZYGLAMAIL...its all recorded here in the servers....this guy helped me thru great hurdles..i wasnt able to LITERALY lift a spoon.
I did DMSO therapy, rehabilitation ( self rehab), Glucosamine CSA...and some Prolo ( although i canceled it later).... I went in to my doctors office and told him to fuck himself up the ass.

Im lifing more weight than i was before with zero pain!
Doctors...

Then again some are right on the money and are geniouses.

 

[Smokescreen]

Bro..i understand about you being pist etc..its your wife...thats a give in you be pist. But honestly is it that much this guys fault. How long has yoru wife been workin out? Did she not feel pain be4.?

Can you give an example of a day of excercises you have seen. She could be doing training 300 reps per minute as long as its controled she should be fine. You sure it had to do with PT?

She trains with me heavy and intense because i tell her too. I am her trainer just as she is mine. She has never had pain in 10 years. She trains with this dickhead who's training is fucking retarted and ends up injured! Its his fault, I'm sticking to that.

Not only have I but others told her NOT to train with him. Did she listen? No! Now look at her. No shoulder warm ups, no strecthes nothing!!!! Just heavy ass weights with excessive reps and only 10 secs rest in between. That is fucking nuts! Come on bro! You know how it is to do shoulders! You know the fucking pain and sworness after each set! Imagine only getting 10 seconds of rest and then start shoulder pressing 200lbs again! Can you do that? I highly doubt it! Highly!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I hear you...beleive me. I know pain.

Let me ask you this. You know your shit......wtf is your wife training with some bozo?

 

[PolfaJelfa]

No warm ups, no stretching....i just saw that. Where is this fool training out of..Did you guys get him from the GYM...hes a gym trainer?

If so..sue the fucking GYM. Back when i used to PT for a while...i saw the craziest stuff.....people who had no idea about working out being hired and told they are getting certified personal trainers ( which doesent mean shit in itself).....certified nutritionists....it was all BS....and im not talking about a small gym chain either...were talkin about a major chain.

SUE THE FUCKERS!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

1/2 of the people in the PT industry cant even perform a proper workout. There is only a small amount of knowledgable and inteligent PT's.

SUE THEM if you have a case to win!

 

[Smokescreen]

I hear you...beleive me. I know pain.

Let me ask you this. You know your shit......wtf is your wife training with some bozo?

Who fucking knows! This got me fucking heated when she said this. Look at what she gets in return!

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I wouldnt be able to let my wife train with a PT. NO WAY. I can see why your so pist. PT have 1 thing on their mind. And its not workin out the people.

I think you got a good case if you have witnesses to the workout she was performing..no warm ups etc. Also....he probibaly isnt certified.

 

[iHulk]

She trains with me heavy and intense because i tell her too. I am her trainer just as she is mine. She has never had pain in 10 years. She trains with this dickhead who's training is fucking retarted and ends up injured! Its his fault, I'm sticking to that.
!

CARTH, I know your are wicked frustrated but chill out for a few moments and lets get back to the issue brotha. Your wife is complaining about major pain in her shoulders. And only after a variance in her workout routine. So listen to this:

From the sounds of it and the pain that she is in [and mind you I'm NO DOC] but my girlfriend of 5 years was having the exact same problems. Bringing her to tears every day. It was unbearable for her, and for me to see her in so much pain.

We found out what is was and it wasn't good at all and I really want you to look into this because its a high probability. It happens to a lot of people (men and women).

Possible Labrum tear.
Definition of Labrum

Labrum: In medicine, a ring of fibrocartilage (fibrous cartilage) around the edge of the articular (joint) surface of a bone. The term labrum is used in anatomy to designate a lip, edge, or brim.

The glenoid labrum is a ring of fibrocartilage that runs around the cavity of the scapula (wingbone) in which the head of the humerus (the bone in the upper arm) fits. The labrum deepens this cavity (the glenoid cavity) and effectively increases the surface of the shoulder joint.

Injuries to the glenoid labrum can occur from chronic trauma due to repetitive shoulder motion or from acute trauma. For example, from a fall on an outstretched arm, a direct blow to the shoulder, a sudden pull from trying to lift a heavy object, or a violent motion like pitching a baseball.

Signs and symptoms of a glenoid labrum injury include pain accompanying overhead arm motion, occasional pain in the shoulder at night or during daily activities, decreased range of motion and loss of strength in the shoulder.

Treatment may include anti-inflammatory medication and rest. Exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles may then be recommended. If these measures are not effective, arthroscopic surgery may be done.

-Think about the shoulder joint as a shelled out tennis ball at the end of a pole (rotator) and holding that rotator “tennis ball” in place is the Labrum (a small fibrous cartilage that is smaller than the tennis ball), but inside of that shell keeping the tennis ball from detaching from the pole. A sort of ring binds to the pole and tennis ball. And if that tears, the only thing holding that shoulder locked in place is muscle! So really the only option is PT and strengthen the muscles around it. In any case have it checked out via MRI.

Let me know bro.
Spydah

 

[pendit]

CARTH, I know your are wicked frustrated but chill out for a few moments and lets get back to the issue brotha. Your wife is complaining about major pain in her shoulders. And only after a variance in her workout routine. So listen to this:

From the sounds of it and the pain that she is in [and mind you I'm NO DOC] but my girlfriend of 5 years was having the exact same problems. Bringing her to tears every day. It was unbearable for her, and for me to see her in so much pain.

We found out what is was and it wasn't good at all and I really want you to look into this because its a high probability. It happens to a lot of people (men and women).

Possible Labrum tear.
Definition of Labrum

Labrum: In medicine, a ring of fibrocartilage (fibrous cartilage) around the edge of the articular (joint) surface of a bone. The term labrum is used in anatomy to designate a lip, edge, or brim.

The glenoid labrum is a ring of fibrocartilage that runs around the cavity of the scapula (wingbone) in which the head of the humerus (the bone in the upper arm) fits. The labrum deepens this cavity (the glenoid cavity) and effectively increases the surface of the shoulder joint.

Injuries to the glenoid labrum can occur from chronic trauma due to repetitive shoulder motion or from acute trauma. For example, from a fall on an outstretched arm, a direct blow to the shoulder, a sudden pull from trying to lift a heavy object, or a violent motion like pitching a baseball.

Signs and symptoms of a glenoid labrum injury include pain accompanying overhead arm motion, occasional pain in the shoulder at night or during daily activities, decreased range of motion and loss of strength in the shoulder.

Treatment may include anti-inflammatory medication and rest. Exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles may then be recommended. If these measures are not effective, arthroscopic surgery may be done.

-Think about the shoulder joint as a shelled out tennis ball at the end of a pole (rotator) and holding that rotator “tennis ball” in place is the Labrum (a small fibrous cartilage that is smaller than the tennis ball), but inside of that shell keeping the tennis ball from detaching from the pole. A sort of ring binds to the pole and tennis ball. And if that tears, the only thing holding that shoulder locked in place is muscle! So really the only option is PT and strengthen the muscles around it. In any case have it checked out via MRI.

Let me know bro.
Spydah

That's some good info. Carth, god knows what kind of fucked up arm/shoulder motions this guy had your wife doing. I can't believe his "training" style. Dude sounds like a real tool. You said other people told her not to train with him. Why? Do they know he does shit really wrong too? I agree with Polfa, a lawsuit might be in order, especially if others are saying the dude is bad. Get the MRI and see what's going on in there.

 

[Mr.X]

Whoa. Cortisone is NOT a "play hurt" pain-killer like vicodin. It is a potent anti-inflammatory, in the steroid family.

Saying that cortisone "isn't a cure" is a little bit beside the point; sure, it would be great to fix everything by finding and treating some underlying cause, but sometimes treating the symptom is the only thing that can be done. Maybe the cause was something trivial and your wife's immune system got a little carried away in responding to it. Cortisone tells the immune system to chill out.

.

The only way to get rid of this problem is to find the cause of the symptoms, which is not widely done in WM. Having first 'hand' experience (pun intended ) with tendonitis in the wrist region, I was surprised to learn that the root of the problem was caused by a neck strain. However, all the wonderful doctor would recommend was cortisone shots and surgery - after the surgery (2) the pain came back, worse then ever. I came to find out that the surgery has a 50/50 chance of succes, whoa! how's that's for something they didn't say before they took the cash.

To make a long story short, $25K later with alternative medicine specialists and the problem was gone for life, but not before shots after shot of cortisone and 2 surgical procedures - which did absoletely nothing but hasten the problem.

 

[LT3]

The only way to get rid of this problem is to find the cause of the symptoms, which is not widely done in WM. Having first 'hand' experience (pun intended ) with tendonitis in the wrist region, I was surprised to learn that the root of the problem was caused by a neck strain. However, all the wonderful doctor would recommend was cortisone shots and surgery - after the surgery (2) the pain came back, worse then ever. I came to find out that the surgery has a 50/50 chance of succes, whoa! how's that's for something they didn't say before they took the cash.

To make a long story short, $25K later with alternative medicine specialists and the problem was gone for life, but not before shots after shot of cortisone and 2 surgical procedures - which did absoletely nothing but hasten the problem.

Exactly.

 

[Sassy69]

Wow. Well I can fully understand the experience w/ the trainer - back in 2000 I hired the first guy I ever trained with whose selling point was "contest prep" - had his own gym, choreographed routines, etc. He did a lot of the same basic stuff I'd done for yrs but he had me doing these incline DB curls at really wide exposed angles - and drop sets to failure every time we did bi's. To the point where when he was going "Do you feel the burn??" I"m like "No but my joints are screaming bloody fucking murder.."

And lame as it is, you hire this guy because you are looking for new input on training methods and when you say "this hurts" they blow you off like you are trying to puss out or try to say they know what they are doing & its worked for yrs. So you either have to quit that trainer or go w/ it to see how it ends up. It usually ends up w/ somethign messed up. As a result of this guy I was overtrained to the point that my metabolism felt like it just shut down, I couldn't make it thru a training session w/o being completely exhausted and breakin down & crying, couldn't lose any weight and on top of it all, I have perpetual tendonitis in both my elbows and always encounter shoulder pain. Esp the shoulders - there are so many tendons & stuff in there that its hard to isolate a problem.

I'm so sorry about the trainer. Personally I'd plant a cluster bomb in his shorts.

To that end I've worked w/ chiropractors on it occassionally when I find a good kinesiology type chiro, lots of massage therapy, lots of warming up before training, stretching, ibuprofin, MSM & Glucosamine/Chondroitin and L-glutamine just in general. But if the stuff flares up (e.g. new training routine, etc.) it's annoying. It never really goes away. Andn then you have that chance that its a microtear or something.

 

[digimon7068]

Let me ask you this, has the doctor tried other cures, eastern / western? before suggesting cort shots? You do know those shots are a temporary solution to a bigger problem.

Yeah. I know several people that claim to have had miraculous relief from acupuncture.

Also, I think that you'd have to use cortisone for an extended period of time before it became catabolic. Plus, site injections like that aren't supposed to travel throughout your body. . .so, it shouldn't cause any collateral problems. Now, prednisone is another story.

 

[Mr.X]

Yeah. I know several people that claim to have had miraculous relief from acupuncture.

.

I am one of them. One of my good friends could NOT lift his arms for 6 years, had a huge back problem. Western doctors could do nothing but surgery, which ended up not working. After 6 months of acupuncture he was cured! no joke, I saw it with my own eyes.

 

[MorganKane]

Shit! LOL He is the specialist!

Then see another one.
I had surgery on my right shoulder and needs the same for my left.
I did have cortisol shots before that and its just a temporary fix.

What is the problem with her shoulders?
Tendinitos is not the problem its more a symptom. I have it in my right forearm REALLY bad right now. I'm getting Active release done 3 days a week to fix that.

The shots are just temporary, if thats the only plan then find another doctor.
I can see why he wants to give the shots but if that all he got planned then move on. What did the MRI say?

 

[Saint V]

http://www.meditech-bioflex.com/USA.html

try this...workewd great for my shoulder tendonitis

 

[thelion2005]

X, she can't even be touched in those areas. She fucking screams in pain! She hasn't been able to sleep in weeks! We haven't had sex or left the house on the weekends in weeks! And these shots....what is going to happen? You say that are NOT going to heal her? So then what are these shots for then? They must serve a purpose.

She has either damaged the cartilege between the bone surfaces and/or torn the connective ligaments and tendons.

The anti-inflamatorys are meant to quiet the nerves while the body heals. These products and RICE are the first step.

Cortizon shots into the joints are meant to smooth the bone surfaces to reduce the pain. They do work in many cases. You can not do this more than a few times because this liquid desolves cells.

I am a fan of prolotherapy, which triggers the body's natural healing processes to repair the torn tissues. My guess is that it is this damage that is producing the pain.

Google a search for an MD in your area that does prolo. He/she can help. They will probe into the area, find the "hot spots" of damage, and treat them.

You can find info on prolo here and/or Google via Search. I'm a real believer because of the relief I got.

Best of luck and fast recovery!

 

[Smokescreen]

I know what tendonitis is. I have had many of those in various bodyparts. But what she says she has is different. Not only the tendoninits pain but also a sharp shooting pain that goes up and down her arm. And sometimes up her neck. She also says that once in a while her arms will go numb. And that sometimes her shoulders feel freezing cold!

The doctor took X-rays to see if she had anything fractured or calcification. Nothing was there. But he did say that those symptoms she has are because of extreme inflammation. Causing all the nerves to get all bunched up. That is the cause of the pain, the numbness and cold she feels.

How many times have I complained to you guys about my injuries? And I have taken all your advices and they have worked. Not quick! But they take time and do heal me. I tried the same on her and they haven't worked.

 

[digimon7068]

I know what tendonitis is. I have had many of those in various bodyparts. But what she says she has is different. Not only the tendoninits pain but also a sharp shooting pain that goes up and down her arm. And sometimes up her neck. She also says that once in a while her arms will go numb. And that sometimes her shoulders feel freezing cold!

The doctor took X-rays to see if she had anything fractured or calcification. Nothing was there. But he did say that those symptoms she has are because of extreme inflammation. Causing all the nerves to get all bunched up. That is the cause of the pain, the numbness and cold she feels.

How many times have I complained to you guys about my injuries? And I have taken all your advices and they have worked. Not quick! But they take time and do heal me. I tried the same on her and they haven't worked.

Dang! That sounds serious. Hopefully she hasn't worn all of the articular cartilage off of her humerus bone. I've worn all of the articular cartilage off of the end of both of my femurs and off of the back of both of my knee caps and now both of my knees need to be replaced.

 

[Smokescreen]

Dang! That sounds serious. Hopefully she hasn't worn all of the articular cartilage off of her humerus bone. I've worn all of the articular cartilage off of the end of both of my femurs and off of the back of both of my knee caps and now both of my knees need to be replaced.

I'm sure all of that would've shown up on the X-ray don't you think?

 

[digimon7068]

I'm sure all of that would've shown up on the X-ray don't you think?

Yes, generally the narrowing of the joint (especially where it's severe) shows up pretty clearly, even on an x-ray.

With the other symptoms that you're describing (numbness, tingling, cold feeling, etc.), it sounds more like a nerve thing to me. I've had some pretty bad experiences with my shoulders in the past and I kind of tracked it down to tricep curls (using barbell, lying on back, curling bar down to forehead), I was pushing the back of my head so hard against the bench that I was pinching nerves in my neck and the pain was showing up in my shoulders.

Anyway, good luck. I hope things work out for you. Gotta be hatin' the lack of nookie, eh?

 

[Smokescreen]

Yes, generally the narrowing of the joint (especially where it's severe) shows up pretty clearly, even on an x-ray.

With the other symptoms that you're describing (numbness, tingling, cold feeling, etc.), it sounds more like a nerve thing to me. I've had some pretty bad experiences with my shoulders in the past and I kind of tracked it down to tricep curls (using barbell, lying on back, curling bar down to forehead), I was pushing the back of my head so hard against the bench that I was pinching nerves in my neck and the pain was showing up in my shoulders.

Anyway, good luck. I hope things work out for you. Gotta be hatin' the lack of nookie, eh?

I live for the greatest gift god has given me. Sex with a female. And yes! It does suck that I haven't gotten any.

 

[digimon7068]

I live for the greatest gift god has given me. Sex with a female. And yes! It does suck that I haven't gotten any.

Amen to that brutha! I hit it twice last night. . .sorry