We need to leave Israel alone!

[Wfabrizio]

How is it that people who lament over the plight of the Palistinians convieniently forget that the Arab countries have treated the Palistinians FAR WORSE than Israel does. Particularly Jordan. i mean read up on it, its shocking and hipocritical. Oh by the way can anyone tell me the ONLY country in the middle east where an Arab can vote??

I honestly could care less except that the US and several European nations have now been drawn into this whole stupid conflict.

My point still stands correct. We have nothing to learn from the Israeli's in regards to fighting terrorism. Their approach has very apparently made things much worse for them. The terrorist attacks have intensified in Israel. If we follow Israel's lead then we will encounter the exact same repercussions.

That is not anti-semitic. It's simply reality. Plain as daylight.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

I honestly could care less except that the US and several European nations have now been drawn into this whole stupid conflict.

My point still stands correct. We have nothing to learn from the Israeli's in regards to fighting terrorism. Their approach has very apparently made things much worse for them. The terrorist attacks have intensified in Israel. If we follow Israel's lead then we will encounter the exact same repercussions.

That is not anti-semitic. It's simply reality. Plain as daylight.

Not one El Al plane has been hijacked in more than 30 years. You're telling me that we have nothing to learn from them?

To be honest, I've had personal business experiences with Arabs and jews (here in America) and by far the Arabs were better to do business with.

So, you're telling me that you're not biased? Sure you're not.

 

[thebabydoc]

I honestly could care less except that the US and several European nations have now been drawn into this whole stupid conflict.

My point still stands correct. We have nothing to learn from the Israeli's in regards to fighting terrorism. Their approach has very apparently made things much worse for them. The terrorist attacks have intensified in Israel. If we follow Israel's lead then we will encounter the exact same repercussions.

That is not anti-semitic. It's simply reality. Plain as daylight.

I agree that this is not sufficient evidence for your being an anti-semite, but to post here like this you probably are (if it quacks like a duck...) and I don't hear a denial. But many of us are anti-Palestines only we use evidence and logic to support our attacks on their political stances and actions, rather than blanket statements like (of the Israelis anti-terrorist tactics) "Their approach has very apparently made things much worse for them" Apparent to whom? Where is the evidence? If we were to continue on your brilliantly deductive level of reasoning, then I could respond by telling you that it is the very success of the Israeli's retaliation that caused the attacks on the US (e.g. the attacks on Israel were getting them nowhere).

Of course that is only a small part of the reason. The main reason is, as has been stated a million times by a million people, that they simply hate us. They hate the West, they hate the "infidels" they live to hate. It is in their definition of Jihad. In light of the persistently heinous actions by these people, why is it so hard to accept that they simple are bred to hate?

And as for the Palestinians, lets not forget how many times they have been offered land and a "homeland". Their unyielding party line has been that they must have the land that is Israel. They have no proven or valid claim to that land, even so, the Israeli's have offered some of it in return for peace. However the Palestenians have time and time again requested nothing short of all of it. As they are unwilling to compromie even the slightest bit on this issue, negotiating is of no use.

 

[Latimer]

Here is what I have learned about WeaponX:

a. He is an Isreal nationalist
1) Backs Isreal on EVERY view regardless of logic or thought
2) Proud to an Isrealite and anyone that opposes Isreal is a
racist.

I think he might be Jewish too.

 

[danielson]

I think he might be Jewish too.

he's (weapon x)perfectly entitled to believe whatever he wants monkeylover

the attacks on israel were that of a madman hell bent on isolating islam from non-islam. the opalestinians have not associated themselves with it at all

yes, they have been offered land, but certain territories are holy to both israel and palestine and neither are prepared to give them up. the deal brokered by barak was the best theyve been offered, arafat turned it down but that wasnt the only reason it failed. it was actually very close to being accepted but time factors and scheduling had a BIG part to play.

this all means the peace process has a shot and both america and the UK realise this. both have asked israel to pull its forces out. both have refused. yes, muslim extermeists shot dead your minister to halt the process, should you try harder therefore. west bank terrorists did it to you old leader a while back didnt they. yet it has been rebuked. israel can move its forces in at ANY time and face little resistance. why not pull its troops back to give the process a chance then if something goes wrong move them in?

 

[Wfabrizio]

I'm not an anti-semite at all. To simply say that I've had better business dealings with Arabs vs. Jews is not anti-semitic. You're reading too far into it.

What I do find amusing however, is to see people (like WeaponX) who frequently make very racist remarks regarding blacks, arabs and, palestinians, etc. now become so defensive when their race or religion is now being discussed.

And stumpy, be honest with yourself. There are ultra nationalistic parties on both sides of the conflict on Israel. It's never as simple as, "They're bad and we're good", both groups perceive themselves that same way. I'm sure if you were Palestinian you would say the same things about the Israeli's.

It's easy to point your finger and say someone is racist when their opinions do not fit your own. I'm sure if anyone remembers any of my posts from the past I'm anything but racist.

 

[Stumpy (The Fucking dumbass Piece of Shit!)]

I'm not an anti-semite at all. To simply say that I've had better business dealings with Arabs vs. Jews is not anti-semitic. You're reading too far into it.

I didn't say you were. It was just odd that you mentioned that in that particular context.

What I do find amusing however, is to see people (like WeaponX) who frequently make very racist remarks regarding blacks, arabs and, palestinians, etc. now become so defensive when their race or religion is now being discussed.

I agree with you there.

And stumpy, be honest with yourself. There are ultra nationalistic parties on both sides of the conflict on Israel. It's never as simple as, "They're bad and we're good", both groups perceive themselves that same way. I'm sure if you were Palestinian you would say the same things about the Israeli's.

I never said that it's that simple, however, I challenge you to find a post of mine where I've scapegoated Arabs or Muslims, or Palestinians in particular. I never have. I've got friends who're Muslim (of various nationalities), so I'm aware of different opinions on this matter.

It's easy to point your finger and say someone is racist when their opinions do not fit your own. I'm sure if anyone remembers any of my posts from the past I'm anything but racist.

Did I say you were racist? Not at all, I just perceived your last couple of posts to be slightly biased. I just went by the tone of these posts, where you seemed highly emotional, and that's rather unusual coming from you (I usually enjoy reading your responses, because you seem very levelheaded.) It just struck me as odd, that's all.

 

[Weapon X]

Here is what I have learned about WeaponX:

a. He is an Isreal nationalist

You are correct. I am a Jew by birth and by culture, and I have an immense love of the Jewish people and the only Jewish nation on this Earth.

1) Backs Isreal on EVERY view regardless of logic or thought

Quite incorrect. We on this board have never engaged in discussion of the vast bulk of Israeli policies. Therefore, you have not heard where I dissent. On the policy of the continued existence of a Jewish State and the policy of dealing death to terrorists, I do agree fully with Israeli policy.

2) Proud to an Isrealite and anyone that opposes Isreal is a
racist.

Again incorrect. You are 1 for 3.
I am not an Israelite. I did not even know that the term was being used by anyone other than King James. Next you'll call me a Hebrew.
I called WFabrizio a part-time anti-semite because of the themes which continuously run through his posts: that of anger against the Jewish State and at Jews in general. My judgment as not baed solely on his posts on this particular thread.

Jews, and Israelis in particular are pussies??
Whatever. Not all Jews are Woody Allen, bro.

Am Y'Israel Chai.

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

weapon x.....I can't stand Israel, I mean, I despise that nation. Does that make me an anti-semite??? Maybe......but I'm also anti-muslim. Frankly, I'm disgusted by any country/organization that bases it's policies on it's beleif of it's own religious superiority. I whole heartedly beleive that the muslims and the Israeli's were made for each other, neither will ever budge an inch because of their own religious hubris..........I hope they exterminate each other. Normally I would just sit back with a smile and watch two such monkey-like people kill each other off......Only one problem, Israel has made it's number one priority enmeshing the U.S in this conflict. Therefore if Israel goes down, they're damn sure going to drag us down with them. I don't agree with Bush trying to tell Israel what to do. Let them do what they want, but leave them the hell alone. Don't give them anymore aid, no more weapons........NOTHING!!!! But make it absolutely clear to the Arabs that we're pulling out of this mess, and any further attacks against us will result in Mecca becoming a pile of rubble fit for dog shit and nothing more........I'm dead serious on that too. We have to be fair, but at the same time we have to make it clear that SERIOUS fucking consequences are going to ensue if this shit keeps up, and those consequences are going to involve weapons of mass destruction.

 

[DamnRedneck]

Alotta them klan boys around here have problem with jew boys. Hell, I ain't never had to deal with no jew before so I cain't says whether or not they is bad. One fella round here says he's a jew, but he looks jus like anyone else. As far as arabs go, hell, I tell you whut, here's a conspiracy. They ain't nuthin but Mexicans. Shit, I cain't tell a bit of difference, can you? They wear them funny head thingies to confuse everyone, but I ain't fooled. Remember, I seen a mexican up close - I got drunk an' fucked me one one night. Caught some unholy shit from the rest of the boys, but I tell you this - there ain't no diffrence tween a mexican and an arab.