We need to get deadly serious with terrorist

[layinback]

I firmly believe radical Muslims pose a threat to civilization. It is just a matter
of time before we see a biological or nuclear weapon detonated on American
soil. Political correctness and liberal nut jobs are going to cost American
lives. Maybe to the tune of hundreds of thousands of lives.

I don't expect the Obama whitehouse to do shit. Obama is anti American and
he couldn't run a Mcdonalds franchise successfully.

We need a leader who will take a hard line with these scumbag misogynistic
needle dicked losers. Any country that harbours, turns their back to, or otherwise
condones terrorism should be carpet bombed until they adjust their stance.
We need to empower our intelligence agencies and allow them to do WHAT
EVER IS NECESSARY to get the job done.

My philosophy is rooted in 3 facts:

1. MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ONLY UNDERSTAND FORCE AND STRENGTH.

2. WHEN YOU BOMB A COUPLE OF THESE "SPONSOR" COUNTRIES BACK
TO THE 14TH CENTURY THE REST OF THEM WILL GET THE MESSAGE.
IF THE GOVERNMENT IN THESE COUNTRIES WORK DILIGENTLY WITH
US, THINGS WILL IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.

3. THE U.N IS RUN BY 3RD WORLD THUGS AND INTERNATIONAL
THIEVES. FUCK THE U.N., WE DON'T NEED THEIR APPROVAL
FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I firmly believe radical Muslims pose a threat to civilization. It is just a matter
of time before we see a biological or nuclear weapon detonated on American
soil. Political correctness and liberal nut jobs are going to cost American
lives. Maybe to the tune of hundreds of thousands of lives.

I don't expect the Obama whitehouse to do shit. Obama is anti American and
he couldn't run a Mcdonalds franchise successfully.

We need a leader who will take a hard line with these scumbag misogynistic
needle dicked losers. Any country that harbours, turns their back to, or otherwise
condones terrorism should be carpet bombed until they adjust their stance.
We need to empower our intelligence agencies and allow them to do WHAT
EVER IS NECESSARY to get the job done.

My philosophy is rooted in 3 facts:

1. MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ONLY UNDERSTAND FORCE AND STRENGTH.

2. WHEN YOU BOMB A COUPLE OF THESE "SPONSOR" COUNTRIES BACK
TO THE 14TH CENTURY THE REST OF THEM WILL GET THE MESSAGE.
IF THE GOVERNMENT IN THESE COUNTRIES WORK DILIGENTLY WITH
US, THINGS WILL IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.

3. THE U.N IS RUN BY 3RD WORLD THUGS AND INTERNATIONAL
THIEVES. FUCK THE U.N., WE DON'T NEED THEIR APPROVAL
FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

past your bedtime bro



alcatraz in 3.. 2..

 

[redshirt27se]

LOL @ thinking the world would be better if we just bombed everyone we didn't like. You do realize that both Iran and Pakistan have nukes right? Both of which have substantial Muslim populations? Pakistan is our ally to an extent, but if we start carpet bombing countries like you say, they won't be. Rather than going on the offensive, we need to just get the fuck out of affairs that concern us. I've never agreed with the idea that we need to be the world police.

 

[nimbus]

i wouldn't mind wiping out iran before it's too late

 

[redshirt27se]

i wouldn't mind wiping out iran before it's too late

It's already too late thanks to Russia.

 

[cryptosporidium]

LOL @ thinking the world would be better if we just bombed everyone we didn't like. You do realize that both Iran and Pakistan have nukes right? Both of which have substantial Muslim populations? Pakistan is our ally to an extent, but if we start carpet bombing countries like you say, they won't be. Rather than going on the offensive, we need to just get the fuck out of affairs that concern us. I've never agreed with the idea that we need to be the world police.

i agree with that, but islam is the same type of global force that a world police is.

what really needs to happen is a change in human perception that moves the species away from aristotelian logic and dogmatic ideology.

 

[layinback]

LOL @ thinking the world would be better if we just bombed everyone we didn't like. You do realize that both Iran and Pakistan have nukes right? Both of which have substantial Muslim populations? Pakistan is our ally to an extent, but if we start carpet bombing countries like you say, they won't be. Rather than going on the offensive, we need to just get the fuck out of affairs that concern us. I've never agreed with the idea that we need to be the world police.

First of all, I didn't say anything about making the world a better place. The objective of bombing countries that are complicit with terrorist is to instill
fear in our enemies and to send a message to the international community.
The message would be something like, " You can't always be the best, but you
can always be next."

Define affairs that don't concern us. I would be curious about the committee
that determines what and what doesn't concern the U.S. And are you implying
that if we just mind our own business, the terrorist will leave us alone?

I don't believe that we need to be the world police. We have fought for others
when there was little or no benefit to us. Unlike other great empires through
out history, we don't conquer other countries, kill the men and enslave the
women and children. To the contrary, we help them to rebuild and supply
resources for decades afterwards. We are the first to help when natural
disaster strikes another country. We have made mistakes, but all in all
we've done more good then any country in history.

And by the way, you can't prove your point just by disproving the other
person.

 

[layinback]

i agree with that, but islam is the same type of global force that a world police is.

what really needs to happen is a change in human perception that moves the species away from aristotelian logic and dogmatic ideology.

Remember what stopped the christians from their reign of terror?

They didn't wake up one morning and say, " I think we should stop
killing and torturing people in the name of Christ."

The state stepped in and made them stop. My solution has a historical
model.

Evolution is embedded theory . We have immutable evidence that fills
museums to the brim. Every discipline of science, on every continent
concur. Matter of fact, evolution is the glue that holds all of our natural
science together. It explains all life on the planet and nothing we know
works without it. We have overwhelming proof of evolution, but as I
explain below, it is of no avail.

Religion on the other hand, requires no proof. It's an emotional concept
based on a conclusion and the premises are made to fit. Religion is
truth with a capital "T" it is unbending, irrefutable and dangerous.

The emotional brain and the intellectual brain are mutually exclusive. The
beleif in religion is dependent on socio geographic factors, rearing and
personality.

Changing human perception is not a valid defense against religous fanaticism.
Your ideas are well intentioned, but not realistic in the light of irrational
ideologies that seem to be inherent to our psychological makeup.
I believe that even religous thought serves some type of darwinian duty.

 

[nefertiti]

Brah, you're a smart dude, but this is just idiocy.

Extreme action will only breed a more extreme response. You can't compare it to the crusades just because both have an element of religion. The crusades didn't have things like TV, the internet, nuclear technology. Sure, you'll scare a bunch of people bombing a place all to hell. But scared will eventually turn into angry....and a bunch of angry people willing to die to make a point is not something we want to go against.

 

[solarclimax]

Agree with nefertiti, A lot of these so called terrorists aren't scared of anything but god. They will even blow themselves up to kill you because they believe they'll go to heaven. Poking the bee's nest would just make them angry.

And how do you even know that your views are correct ? with so many stories about corrupt government and elite's causing these kinds of things on purpose.

 

[BlueBird]

WHEN YOU BOMB A COUPLE OF THESE "SPONSOR" COUNTRIES BACK
TO THE 14TH CENTURY

Nooooooooooooooooo, what did Chaucer and Dante ever do to those countries!!1

 

[the_alcatraz]

Besides, it's easy for the US to scream war when they're the ones doing the invading...but when you are on the other side of the fence, not so favorable.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Right...bomb all islamic countries because of political extremists...that makes sense.

Again, the US failed in Nam. They failed in Iraq. They're not nearly the world power they were long ago. They need to take care of their own and stop spending stupid money on wars that do not involve them in the first place.

Raging a war against islamic nations will give these nations a reason to stick together and fight alongside each other than fight one another, and that's not good for the US....

 

[Strongbow]

I agree with the fact that we have a giant pussy for a President, who has no fucking idea of what it means to be an American. Problem is that we need to drop some fucking bombs on strategic locations in this fucking country, as well as fucking destroy any country who aids or supports terrorism. I will promise you Mr. Barry will not serve another term as President, and if the people who in this country who pay for freedom, by getting their tired ass up and going to work everyday don't stop the downward spiral with action, we will eventually no longer exsist. This country is filled with people who have not paid for the freedoms or the voice of opinion. It is my strong opinion that unless you or an immediate family memeber has served in the armed forces, you should not have the right to vote, or even open your mouth about politics or your rights in this counrty. We give to many privledges to those who have not earned anything, started with wellfare and has spiraled out of controll. Now we have Mexicans in Arizona, telling the goverment what is right and what is wrong. Fuck them bean eating mutha fuckers and death to them all, if they are not here working and paying taxes and contributing, instead of fucking taking shit that is paid for by us. Problem is that most all Liberals are draft dodging mutha fuckers like Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, and AL Gore. It should be a law that one should have to have served at least 10 yrs in the military, to hold any govwerment office.

 

[kx250rider]

I vote for Layinback as write-in candidate for President 2012!

If I had been in charge after 9-11-01, I'd have done it this way:

1) Verify which countries had responsibility

2) Put some gas in the Enola Gay, load her up with a few nukes, and erase one key city from each of those countries

3) Issue a demand to each of those countries to deliver to the U.S. Embassy; Bin Laden, Hussein, and anybody else we felt had a part in it, by 5 PM the next business day.

4) Provide a list of which cities will be nuked every day; men, women, children, dogs & cats, until the wanted men are in our hands

I guarantee that there would have been no troops needed, no other countries would do as France did, and let us down, because strength is respected while weakness is not. And I further guarantee that we would not hear from any terrorist group for at least 50 years.

This logic worked perfectly on Japan in 1945, and it will work the next time we get the BALLS to do it.... And until we do it, terrorism will keep on, and old American ladies in wheelchairs will continue to be hassled at the airport to balance out the profiling.

Charles

 

[cindylou]

I agree with the fact that we have a giant pussy for a President, who has no fucking idea of what it means to be an American. Problem is that we need to drop some fucking bombs on strategic locations in this fucking country, as well as fucking destroy any country who aids or supports terrorism. I will promise you Mr. Barry will not serve another term as President, and if the people who in this country who pay for freedom, by getting their tired ass up and going to work everyday don't stop the downward spiral with action, we will eventually no longer exsist. This country is filled with people who have not paid for the freedoms or the voice of opinion. It is my strong opinion that unless you or an immediate family memeber has served in the armed forces, you should not have the right to vote, or even open your mouth about politics or your rights in this counrty. We give to many privledges to those who have not earned anything, started with wellfare and has spiraled out of controll. Now we have Mexicans in Arizona, telling the goverment what is right and what is wrong. Fuck them bean eating mutha fuckers and death to them all, if they are not here working and paying taxes and contributing, instead of fucking taking shit that is paid for by us. Problem is that most all Liberals are draft dodging mutha fuckers like Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, and AL Gore. It should be a law that one should have to have served at least 10 yrs in the military, to hold any govwerment office.

Thats actually not a bad idea

 

[cryptosporidium]

Remember what stopped the christians from their reign of terror?

They didn't wake up one morning and say, " I think we should stop
killing and torturing people in the name of Christ."

The state stepped in and made them stop. My solution has a historical
model.

Evolution is embedded theory . We have immutable evidence that fills
museums to the brim. Every discipline of science, on every continent
concur. Matter of fact, evolution is the glue that holds all of our natural
science together. It explains all life on the planet and nothing we know
works without it. We have overwhelming proof of evolution, but as I
explain below, it is of no avail.

Religion on the other hand, requires no proof. It's an emotional concept
based on a conclusion and the premises are made to fit. Religion is
truth with a capital "T" it is unbending, irrefutable and dangerous.

The emotional brain and the intellectual brain are mutually exclusive. The
beleif in religion is dependent on socio geographic factors, rearing and
personality.

Changing human perception is not a valid defense against religous fanaticism.
Your ideas are well intentioned, but not realistic in the light of irrational
ideologies that seem to be inherent to our psychological makeup.
I believe that even religous thought serves some type of darwinian duty.

not all "religions" are created equal. people seem to think that the religious world consists only of the big three occidental religions. they also think somehow that atheism avoids the same pitfalls created by these religions. both views are inaccurate.. which begs the question, what about these modes of thought fosters the undesirable behaviors that we are witnessing?

im not positing a "solution" with my original statement, only an observation.

i think that trying to "deal" with the fanatics/afflicted is like trying to get rid of a tree by cutting off the branches, it will keep growing unless you sever the root.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I vote for Layinback as write-in candidate for President 2012!

If I had been in charge after 9-11-01, I'd have done it this way:

1) Verify which countries had responsibility

2) Put some gas in the Enola Gay, load her up with a few nukes, and erase one key city from each of those countries

3) Issue a demand to each of those countries to deliver to the U.S. Embassy; Bin Laden, Hussein, and anybody else we felt had a part in it, by 5 PM the next business day.

4) Provide a list of which cities will be nuked every day; men, women, children, dogs & cats, until the wanted men are in our hands

I guarantee that there would have been no troops needed, no other countries would do as France did, and let us down, because strength is respected while weakness is not. And I further guarantee that we would not hear from any terrorist group for at least 50 years.

This logic worked perfectly on Japan in 1945, and it will work the next time we get the BALLS to do it.... And until we do it, terrorism will keep on, and old American ladies in wheelchairs will continue to be hassled at the airport to balance out the profiling.

Charles

you want to bomb women and children? are you fucked in the head?

 

[ceo]

all of our satellites and intelligence, high tech gear, and we can't find Bin Laden, et.al.? Bullshit. I don't believe it.

 

[the_alcatraz]

all of our satellites and intelligence, high tech gear, and we can't find Bin Laden, et.al.? Bullshit. I don't believe it.

you do know he's working for the US gov. and people are too stupid to get that right?

He's working for the US...trained by the US first to fightthe Russians and now to create seeration and give the world a reason to label islam as a terrorist state...that's the whole idea behind the Quaeda...financed by parts of the US gov.

 

[ceo]

you want to ban women and children? are you fucked in the head?

lol @ ban.

I know you meant bomb. And yes, it sucks, but they are collateral damage. Japan did it to China, Germans did it all over Europe, US did it in Germany and Japan. The difference is those nations actually declared war against the US and it's allies and made the first strikes.

In this case the first strikes were made against the US, but there's no actual nation declaring war on the US. Only various groups residing in many nations are doing the warring. Can those nations be held responsible? I don't think so. They claim ignorance about knowing whereabouts of said groups. We can't prove otherwise.

If Iran or North Korea declared war on the US and made an actual first strike using their militaries, then I believe it should be handled more like we did in WWII. Strike their military areas first, attempt to wipeout their military. If that doesn't bring about surrender, begin to destroy their beloved nations.

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol @ ban.

I know you meant bomb. And yes, it sucks, but they are collateral damage. Japan did it to China, Germans did it all over Europe, US did it in Germany and Japan. The difference is those nations actually declared war against the US and it's allies and made the first strikes.

In this case the first strikes were made against the US, but there's no actual nation declaring war on the US. Only various groups residing in many nations are doing the warring. Can those nations be held responsible? I don't think so. They claim ignorance about knowing whereabouts of said groups. We can't prove otherwise.

If Iran or North Korea declared war on the US and made an actual first strike using their militaries, then I believe it should be handled more like we did in WWII. Strike their military areas first, attempt to wipeout their military. If that doesn't bring about surrender, begin to destroy their beloved nations.

The is a much more diplomatic response, which is a smart response.

You get every other asshole say bomb bomb bomb and kill everyone...it's easy for them to say when they've never seen war or been bombed.

 

[SouthernLord]

I say we bomb all these radicals. But instead of nukes we drop bombs that shoot out weed and porno. That's what these radicals need. Smoke some herb, chill the fuck out, and watch some porn. Problem solved.

 

[Strongbow]

The end is near

 

[stosstruppe]

I say we bomb all these radicals. But instead of nukes we drop bombs that shoot out weed and porno. That's what these radicals need. Smoke some herb, chill the fuck out, and watch some porn. Problem solved.

Agreed bor, same line of thinking as countries with McDonalds don't attack teh US of A.

 

[musclemom]

I say we bomb all these radicals. But instead of nukes we drop bombs that shoot out weed and porno. That's what these radicals need. Smoke some herb, chill the fuck out, and watch some porn. Problem solved.

Best idea yet

Only thing I'd add is kidnapping and brainwashing their women by subjecting them to 5 star hotel accomodations, daily spa treatments, forcing them to wear designer clothes and have televisions that only play the Lifetime network.

The BIGGEST problem with that country is the women have ZERO say in anything and are still treated like property and have to submit to the men. What normal woman would willingly hand her child a hand grenade and tell it to run up to a group of service men? Fix the women and the problems would be fixed from within.

You can't change radicals by force, it has to come from within.

 

[layinback]

Brah, you're a smart dude, but this is just idiocy.

Extreme action will only breed a more extreme response. You can't compare it to the crusades just because both have an element of religion. The crusades didn't have things like TV, the internet, nuclear technology. Sure, you'll scare a bunch of people bombing a place all to hell. But scared will eventually turn into angry....and a bunch of angry people willing to die to make a point is not something we want to go against.

nerf, I am sooooo tired of all the political correctness. I am all for peace and
diplomacy. At a personal level, i hate violence and i don't want to harm any
human being. If i believed, for a minute, that these people could be reasoned
with, i'd change my position.

These people will not stop until you're wearing a full body burka, walking
10 feet behind your boyfriend. There not going to stop until sharia law
is the global law. These people will strap a bomb around their baby, wife
grandmother..........how do you deal with that mentality?

I concede your point about the crusades. I usually argue better then that lol.
This is an emotional issue and i'm pissed!

I would be open to an alternative plan. What else is there? What can we
do to effect change?

 

[cryptosporidium]

I would be open to an alternative plan. What else is there? What can we
do to effect change?

education.

but no one is interested in that.

 

[SpyWizard]

LOL @ thinking the world would be better if we just bombed everyone we didn't like. You do realize that both Iran and Pakistan have nukes right? Both of which have substantial Muslim populations? Pakistan is our ally to an extent, but if we start carpet bombing countries like you say, they won't be. Rather than going on the offensive, we need to just get the fuck out of affairs that concern us. I've never agreed with the idea that we need to be the world police.

I agree.. stop sending food..

in 6 months everything will be just fine..

 

[cindylou]

What else is there?

One world religion/government

 

[cryptosporidium]

I agree.. stop sending food..

in 6 months everything will be just fine..

stop sending food as in aid? you realize that in doing so, the most innocent people die and the leaders remain virtually unaffected right?

 

[the_alcatraz]

stop sending food as in aid? you realize that in doing so, the most innocent people die and the leaders remain virtually unaffected right?

Exactly.

 

[75th]

lol @ this thread.

First off, Iran is not a problem as it contains one of the most pro-western populations in all of the middle east (which includes all of the arab countries...keep in mind that Iranians are not arab). A good 70% of the population is under the age of 35 and they love the US and western Europe. The "problem" (even though there really isnt one, per se) is that the remaining 25-30% are the ones in power. Give Iran time, leave them alone, and all will be well.

layinback, its not a question of political correctness to suggest we shouldnt be the world policemen. When you consider the fact that bin Laden himself has said numerous times that the only reason they declared jihad against us was due to the fact that we planted ourselves in Saudi Arabia in order to attack Iraq, its not a hard problem to figure out. Leave them alone, and for the most part they will leave us alone. Al-Qaeda and the US were on great terms back in the 1980s when we assisted them in expelling the Russians from Afghanistan. Why did they like us and hate the Russians? Because we left them alone, while the Russians didnt. This isnt rocket science.

And lol @ saying we go to war when theres nothing in it for us. The ONLY times the US has gone to war is when the cost vs benefit analysis has shown what the perceived benefits would indeed outweigh the costs in manpower and dollars.

They're not nearly the world power they were long ago.

lol. We're still number one and will be for the foreseeable future. The only folks who are going to give us a run for our money over the next few decades are Russia, Japan, and Turkey.

you do know he's working for the US gov. and people are too stupid to get that right?

lol @ the irony of the first sentence followed by you calling other people stupid. Thats like saying that because we supported Saddam in his fight against Iran, today we are still working with Saddam.

You conspiracy nuts crack me up.

I would be open to an alternative plan. What else is there?

Its pretty simple. All of the countries that despise us right now, theyre all saying the same thing: we despise you because you continuously plant yourselves on our supposedly sacred homeland and exploit our countries for financial gain through the oil we possess.

So, why dont we work hard on finding a usable renewable alternative energy source while simultaneously bringing all of our military assets home? Once people stop purchasing their oil, 95% of the countries will destroy themselves from within anyway, so we kind of kill 5 birds with one stone.

 

[Strongbow]

lol @ this thread.

First off, Iran is not a problem as it contains one of the most pro-western populations in all of the middle east (which includes all of the arab countries...keep in mind that Iranians are not arab). A good 70% of the population is under the age of 35 and they love the US and western Europe. The "problem" (even though there really isnt one, per se) is that the remaining 25-30% are the ones in power. Give Iran time, leave them alone, and all will be well.

layinback, its not a question of political correctness to suggest we shouldnt be the world policemen. When you consider the fact that bin Laden himself has said numerous times that the only reason they declared jihad against us was due to the fact that we planted ourselves in Saudi Arabia in order to attack Iraq, its not a hard problem to figure out. Leave them alone, and for the most part they will leave us alone. Al-Qaeda and the US were on great terms back in the 1980s when we assisted them in expelling the Russians from Afghanistan. Why did they like us and hate the Russians? Because we left them alone, while the Russians didnt. This isnt rocket science.

And lol @ saying we go to war when theres nothing in it for us. The ONLY times the US has gone to war is when the cost vs benefit analysis has shown what the perceived benefits would indeed outweigh the costs in manpower and dollars.



lol. We're still number one and will be for the foreseeable future. The only folks who are going to give us a run for our money over the next few decades are Russia, Japan, and Turkey.



lol @ the irony of the first sentence followed by you calling other people stupid. Thats like saying that because we supported Saddam in his fight against Iran, today we are still working with Saddam.

You conspiracy nuts crack me up.



Its pretty simple. All of the countries that despise us right now, theyre all saying the same thing: we despise you because you continuously plant yourselves on our supposedly sacred homeland and exploit our countries for financial gain through the oil we possess.

So, why dont we work hard on finding a usable renewable alternative energy source while simultaneously bringing all of our military assets home? Once people stop purchasing their oil, 95% of the countries will destroy themselves from within anyway, so we kind of kill 5 birds with one stone.

Who the fuck is we, Asian?

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol @ this thread.

First off, Iran is not a problem as it contains one of the most pro-western populations in all of the middle east (which includes all of the arab countries...keep in mind that Iranians are not arab). A good 70% of the population is under the age of 35 and they love the US and western Europe. The "problem" (even though there really isnt one, per se) is that the remaining 25-30% are the ones in power. Give Iran time, leave them alone, and all will be well.

layinback, its not a question of political correctness to suggest we shouldnt be the world policemen. When you consider the fact that bin Laden himself has said numerous times that the only reason they declared jihad against us was due to the fact that we planted ourselves in Saudi Arabia in order to attack Iraq, its not a hard problem to figure out. Leave them alone, and for the most part they will leave us alone. Al-Qaeda and the US were on great terms back in the 1980s when we assisted them in expelling the Russians from Afghanistan. Why did they like us and hate the Russians? Because we left them alone, while the Russians didnt. This isnt rocket science.

And lol @ saying we go to war when theres nothing in it for us. The ONLY times the US has gone to war is when the cost vs benefit analysis has shown what the perceived benefits would indeed outweigh the costs in manpower and dollars.



lol. We're still number one and will be for the foreseeable future. The only folks who are going to give us a run for our money over the next few decades are Russia, Japan, and Turkey.



lol @ the irony of the first sentence followed by you calling other people stupid. Thats like saying that because we supported Saddam in his fight against Iran, today we are still working with Saddam.

You conspiracy nuts crack me up.



Its pretty simple. All of the countries that despise us right now, theyre all saying the same thing: we despise you because you continuously plant yourselves on our supposedly sacred homeland and exploit our countries for financial gain through the oil we possess.

So, why dont we work hard on finding a usable renewable alternative energy source while simultaneously bringing all of our military assets home? Once people stop purchasing their oil, 95% of the countries will destroy themselves from within anyway, so we kind of kill 5 birds with one stone.

in other words stop fuckin with peoples' businesses and they'll stop fuckin with you. Is that the jist of it?

 

[stevesmi]

in other words stop fuckin with peoples' businesses and they'll stop fuckin with you. Is that the jist of it?

bullseye

 

[ceo]

Afghanistan pre taliban >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan post taliban.

 

[stevesmi]

I think some of you need to drop the hate and get the F over your insecurities of having a black man president and another religion existing. there are bad people of every religion and race, and good people of every religion or race. you are not superior to anyone except if you are Lebanese of course. (haha jk)

try getting out some and doing some travelling. it will help open your mind a bit more.

 

[stevesmi]

in other words stop fuckin with peoples' businesses and they'll stop fuckin with you. Is that the jist of it?

bullseye my brother

 

[stevesmi]

and i love how the OP tries to tie in right wing Islam which is probably 1% of the muslim population with liberals and the rest of the muslim population 99% of which want to live in peace and raise their families.

he actually thinks all muslims are terrorists lol !

 

[BlueBird]

The BIGGEST problem with that country is the women have ZERO say in anything and are still treated like property and have to submit to the men. What normal woman would willingly hand her child a hand grenade and tell it to run up to a group of service men? Fix the women and the problems would be fixed from within.

You can't change radicals by force, it has to come from within.

This is probably the one, valid reason the rest of the world would have to intervene. When isn't it our(and I mean that in the most generic human context, not talking about nations, now) responsibility to ensure women (and children) have the same rights as men? Problem is, there are so many countries around the world which continue to see women as chattel...where to start, where to start....

 

[redshirt27se]

First of all, I didn't say anything about making the world a better place.

You said a threat to civilization. So, no, you didn't say a better place verbatim. I didn't think I was going on a limb implying that.

The objective of bombing countries that are complicit with terrorist is to instill
fear in our enemies and to send a message to the international community.
The message would be something like, " You can't always be the best, but you
can always be next."

Bombing these countries only opens us up to more terrorist attacks. Especially since you are suggesting we bomb proactively rather than in retaliation.

Define affairs that don't concern us. I would be curious about the committee
that determines what and what doesn't concern the U.S. And are you implying
that if we just mind our own business, the terrorist will leave us alone?

I thought that was pretty self explanatory. Anything that doesn't directly effect the U.S. and our citizens. I'm not implying that terrorists will leave us alone if we mind our business. That may or may not happen, but actively bombing people as you suggest will ensure they definitely don't leave us alone.

I don't believe that we need to be the world police. We have fought for others
when there was little or no benefit to us. Unlike other great empires through
out history, we don't conquer other countries, kill the men and enslave the
women and children. To the contrary, we help them to rebuild and supply
resources for decades afterwards. We are the first to help when natural
disaster strikes another country. We have made mistakes, but all in all
we've done more good then any country in history.

And by the way, you can't prove your point just by disproving the other
person.

I made my point, some people will agree with it and some won't. But it's validity has nothing to do with disproving yours.

 

[cryptosporidium]

this thread is lolz, and not in a haha happy way.

 

[the_alcatraz]

and i love how the OP tries to tie in right wing Islam which is probably 1% of the muslim population with liberals and the rest of the muslim population 99% of which want to live in peace and raise their families.

he actually thinks all muslims are terrorists lol !

You'll get used to it. Too many insecure bastards on the interwebs who watch CNN day in and day out and think all muslims look like Bin Laden.

Hell, I'm muslim...and I've met people on EF in person...ask them what I look like lol

 

[-SD-]

You'll get used to it. Too many insecure bastards on the interwebs who watch CNN day in and day out and think all muslims look like Bin Laden.

Hell, I'm muslim...and I've met people on EF in person...ask them what I look like lol

You look middle eastern. not that theres anything wrong with that in and of itself but dont make it out to be like people wouldnt mistake you for a muslim when you look middle eastern.

 

[binö]

You'll get used to it. Too many insecure bastards on the interwebs who watch CNN day in and day out and think all muslims look like Bin Laden.

Hell, I'm muslim...and I've met people on EF in person...ask them what I look like lol

like a muslim that uses sauce??
i would guess that if i didn't know...but if you
had a sombrero on i'd say mexican.
discuss

 

[binö]

lol @ this thread.

First off, Iran is not a problem as it contains one of the most pro-western populations in all of the middle east (which includes all of the arab countries...keep in mind that Iranians are not arab). A good 70% of the population is under the age of 35 and they love the US and western Europe. The "problem" (even though there really isnt one, per se) is that the remaining 25-30% are the ones in power. Give Iran time, leave them alone, and all will be well.

layinback, its not a question of political correctness to suggest we shouldnt be the world policemen. When you consider the fact that bin Laden himself has said numerous times that the only reason they declared jihad against us was due to the fact that we planted ourselves in Saudi Arabia in order to attack Iraq, its not a hard problem to figure out. Leave them alone, and for the most part they will leave us alone. Al-Qaeda and the US were on great terms back in the 1980s when we assisted them in expelling the Russians from Afghanistan. Why did they like us and hate the Russians? Because we left them alone, while the Russians didnt. This isnt rocket science.

And lol @ saying we go to war when theres nothing in it for us. The ONLY times the US has gone to war is when the cost vs benefit analysis has shown what the perceived benefits would indeed outweigh the costs in manpower and dollars.



lol. We're still number one and will be for the foreseeable future. The only folks who are going to give us a run for our money over the next few decades are Russia, Japan, and Turkey.



lol @ the irony of the first sentence followed by you calling other people stupid. Thats like saying that because we supported Saddam in his fight against Iran, today we are still working with Saddam.

You conspiracy nuts crack me up.



Its pretty simple. All of the countries that despise us right now, theyre all saying the same thing: we despise you because you continuously plant yourselves on our supposedly sacred homeland and exploit our countries for financial gain through the oil we possess.

So, why dont we work hard on finding a usable renewable alternative energy source while simultaneously bringing all of our military assets home? Once people stop purchasing their oil, 95% of the countries will destroy themselves from within anyway, so we kind of kill 5 birds with one stone.

This is a good tempered post...i could agree upon forcing israel into some sorta deal with the palestine folks, cutting a hard deal with the taliban, and pulling troops and monies out of iraq.
doesn't seem to be working with our meddling, and though i think our intentions where largely legit, it's draining our cash.
they need our loot we need their petro a foundation for a
working relationship exists.

 

[calveless wonder]

I firmly believe radical Muslims pose a threat to civilization. It is just a matter
of time before we see a biological or nuclear weapon detonated on American
soil. Political correctness and liberal nut jobs are going to cost American
lives. Maybe to the tune of hundreds of thousands of lives.

I don't expect the Obama whitehouse to do shit. Obama is anti American and
he couldn't run a Mcdonalds franchise successfully.

We need a leader who will take a hard line with these scumbag misogynistic
needle dicked losers. Any country that harbours, turns their back to, or otherwise
condones terrorism should be carpet bombed until they adjust their stance.
We need to empower our intelligence agencies and allow them to do WHAT
EVER IS NECESSARY to get the job done.

My philosophy is rooted in 3 facts:

1. MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ONLY UNDERSTAND FORCE AND STRENGTH.

2. WHEN YOU BOMB A COUPLE OF THESE "SPONSOR" COUNTRIES BACK
TO THE 14TH CENTURY THE REST OF THEM WILL GET THE MESSAGE.
IF THE GOVERNMENT IN THESE COUNTRIES WORK DILIGENTLY WITH
US, THINGS WILL IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.

3. THE U.N IS RUN BY 3RD WORLD THUGS AND INTERNATIONAL
THIEVES. FUCK THE U.N., WE DON'T NEED THEIR APPROVAL
FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

i pretty much agree with most of this, at least emotionally and ideally. but logistically, no

the problem is a muslim country like Pakistan. Has nukes, harbors terrorists, etc. It'd just escalate the situation exponentially and we'd be looking at a potential nuclear holocaust.

And all these muslim nations get butthurt when the US or israel campaigns against a specific muslim nation (unless it happens to be a specific's country arch nemesis). You attack one (especially if done in a very aggressive, no questions asked manner), you cause turmoil in a whole region and turn them and their leaders against you.

The organizations and politicians supporting radical islam need to be crippled...that's the only real sensible way to accomplish this without creating a nuclear holocaust or another world war. If you destroy the infrastructure of a terrorist network, it's not like you;re going to have Muhamudd Akbar hoping on a camel and chucking a nuclear missile across the ocean.


As far as ending civilization, they're not a legitimate threat until they have the technology and resource on par with ours. These little al qaeda's and Lashkar-e-Taiba (which is a little more dangerous, because it has government cooperation) can't execute that type of scale attack given that amount of technology and intelligence we have available, especially now that we are fully aware of their capabilities. How many billions do we spend on anti nuke missles and defense? You think we wouldn't be aware if they had the ability to obtain a sophisticated warhead and were able to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile at us? (And i don't think that'd even reach us). The worst these fuckers can really do is small scale attacks that might kill a few thousand people. That's a victory to them. It'd suck to have another situation like that but in the grand scheme of things, it's not earth shattering.

 

[layinback]

There seems to be a lot of, " If the U.S. would mind their own business, we wouldn't have to worry about Muslim extremist and we certainly wouldn't be in this predicament."
Well, Bin laden didn't have a problem being trained and equiped by American troops when he was fighting the russians in Afghanistan. He had an issue when we Showed
up in Kuwait and the Kuwaiti government declined his request to help out. Some things are so simple and we tend to overlook the obvious in our quest for complexity.
The genesis for Bin Ladens attacks reside in a hurt ego. I think the notion that we mind our business and play pretty and the mean old terrorist will leave us alone, is
nonsense. Shit, life doesn't work that way on a micro level, much less a macro level.

The U.S is intricately tied to almost every country on earth. As you all know, everything is global and we all share some of each others business. Furthermore, the U.S is
an economic / military super power like the world has never known and we have more and deeper ties than most. How do we determine what our business is and is not.
Who are what committee is elected - appointed to take on such a vast and immeasurably complicated job? What would be the criteria for, "our business" ?

How did WW II end? Minding our own business and diplomacy? How about WW I ? Civil war ? War of independence? Because these guys don't wear uniforms and reside
in a particular country and their driven by religious ideologies as opposed to socio political forces, we need to take another approach ?

I am not a racists or a bigot. I am not anti Muslim. I am not a "KILL EVERYONE AND LET GOD SORT 'EM OUT" mentality. I am however, a realist. In my opinion radical
Muslims will continue to try to wipe out modern civilization, regardless of our policies. Radical muslims and the countries that leave them unabated, understand one
thing and one thing only, force.

Try a little experiment. Go to prison. Inform the other inmates that you are gonna stay out of their business and that you only expect the same from them.
After you get all of your personal effects taken from you and you're beaten or stabbed, tell them that you want to talk about it peacefully. I'm sure you guys
will work something out lol.

 

[layinback]

i pretty much agree with most of this, at least emotionally and ideally. but logistically, no

the problem is a muslim country like Pakistan. Has nukes, harbors terrorists, etc. It'd just escalate the situation exponentially and we'd be looking at a potential nuclear holocaust.

And all these muslim nations get butthurt when the US or israel campaigns against a specific muslim nation (unless it happens to be a specific's country arch nemesis). You attack one (especially if done in a very aggressive, no questions asked manner), you cause turmoil in a whole region and turn them and their leaders against you.

The organizations and politicians supporting radical islam need to be crippled...that's the only real sensible way to accomplish this without creating a nuclear holocaust or another world war. If you destroy the infrastructure of a terrorist network, it's not like you;re going to have Muhamudd Akbar hoping on a camel and chucking a nuclear missile across the ocean.


As far as ending civilization, they're not a legitimate threat until they have the technology and resource on par with ours. These little al qaeda's and Lashkar-e-Taiba (which is a little more dangerous, because it has government cooperation) can't execute that type of scale attack given that amount of technology and intelligence we have available, especially now that we are fully aware of their capabilities. How many billions do we spend on anti nuke missles and defense? You think we wouldn't be aware if they had the ability to obtain a sophisticated warhead and were able to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile at us? (And i don't think that'd even reach us). The worst these fuckers can really do is small scale attacks that might kill a few thousand people. That's a victory to them. It'd suck to have another situation like that but in the grand scheme of things, it's not earth shattering.

Bro, never underestimate your opponent. It's been the death knell of many a
great warrior and nation alike. Biological and chemical weapons are certainly
in the realm of possibility. Small tactical nukes and dirty bombs aren't out
of the question either. The economic fallout and global disruption could
send this country and many others into a 20 yr tailspin.

I fully understand the global implications of bombing an Islamic nation. Even
if we were to eradicate some of the more egregious regimes, there's the
business of installing new governments. We see how well that's working in
Iraque. Imagine that x 20 ! It's not feasible on any front.

I'm open to any reasonable solution that doesn't include force. I've read all of
the post and there's a lot of well meaning idealistic talk, but no real solutions.

In a perfect world, minding your own business and diplomacy sound great.
Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world and there are evil people in this
world and they can't be reasoned with.

 

[bigpokey]

wow i mean i thought LB was a straight up dumbshit but i didn't wanna jump to conclusions, thanks to this thread for cementin that fact for me... so typical of a know it all like layinback to be completely ignorant on so many levels, only someone as big a dumb fuk as him could ever think they're as smart as he thinks he is....

 

[layinback]

wow i mean i thought LB was a straight up dumbshit but i didn't wanna jump to conclusions, thanks to this thread for cementin that fact for me... so typical of a know it all like layinback to be completely ignorant on so many levels, only someone as big a dumb fuk as him could ever think they're as smart as he thinks he is....

well, i have 2 ex wives who'd totally agree with you! I don't consider myself
an intellectual giant and i'm certainly not an expert on foreign affairs or
geopolitics.

however, i've met a lot of people who complain about the weather and don't
do anything about it.

i can't recall reading any post by you that's constuctive. you seem to meander
about the site doling out personal insults and lots of single post dribble then
you move on............ unlike some of the trouble makers you don't even stick
around an fight! in other words, you don't even count.

 

[EnderJE]

Did everyone miss the weed and pr0n solution? That was the best one yet.

 

[bigpokey]

well, i have 2 ex wives who'd totally agree with you! I don't consider myself
an intellectual giant and i'm certainly not an expert on foreign affairs or
geopolitics.

however, i've met a lot of people who complain about the weather and don't
do anything about it.

i can't recall reading any post by you that's constuctive. you seem to meander
about the site doling out personal insults and lots of single post dribble then
you move on............ unlike some of the trouble makers you don't even stick
around an fight! in other words, you don't even count.

hahahhhaha i can't recall tryin to be constructive bitch i aint bob the fukn builder, and i damn sure didn't ask about your personal life that u cant stfu about and i dont think anyone else asked u in any thread either, yet its the fuckin layinback been there done that bad ass tough guy genius millionaire life story every post.... thanks for the response though ur always good for the laffs and thats what i am here for, in other words, know it all dumbasses are priceless entertainment

 

[layinback]

bigpokey you seem to have a nasty habit of unfounded personal attacks on members. you don't argue in an intelligent fashion and you immediatley
resort to name calling and character assasination. we have our differences here and sometimes it gets heated, but historically we don't put up with
cowardly peeps who troll the board lookin for negative attention and use EF as a catharsis for their real world loser status.

personally, if i see you doing this to other peeps, i'm gonna bomb you. i'll bomb you daily if need be. now straighten up and bring something to the
party or get the fuck on down the road. in other words, start acting like a man and not a punk.

 

[puddlemonkey]

 

[layinback]

lol

 

[puddlemonkey]

layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 01:37 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:58 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:57 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:56 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:50 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:44 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:42 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:41 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:39 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:31 AM



lol

 

[layinback]

layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 01:37 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:58 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:57 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:56 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:50 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:44 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:42 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:41 AM
layinback platinumbombed bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:39 AM
bigpokey diffused a g-bomb of bigpokey on 31-Aug-2010 - 12:31 AM



lol

I'll hire somebody to set on a computer and bomb him until he straightens
up and quits posting insulting user notes on peeps profile. go back and read
his post. he's constantly attacking peeps unprovoked and starting shit.
he's your typical internet coward who takes his real world frustrations out
on chat boards.

bigpokey's a sweet girl. she just needs a little negative attention from time to
time. she's all like, " bigpokey's been a baaaad girl and she needs a little spankin'."

 

[75th]

There seems to be a lot of, " If the U.S. would mind their own business, we wouldn't have to worry about Muslim extremist and we certainly wouldn't be in this predicament."
Well, Bin laden didn't have a problem being trained and equiped by American troops when he was fighting the russians in Afghanistan. He had an issue when we Showed
up in Kuwait and the Kuwaiti government declined his request to help out. Some things are so simple and we tend to overlook the obvious in our quest for complexity.

Uhhh...you do realize that this just proves my point, right?

bin Laden only had a problem with us after we showed up in his neck of the woods much like the Russians did.

 

[Strongbow]

Uhhh...you do realize that this just proves my point, right?

bin Laden only had a problem with us after we showed up in his neck of the woods much like the Russians did.

Have I not already told you to not refer to Asians as WE.

 

[AFeedz]

Political correctness and liberal nut jobs are going to cost American
lives.

Um, did you forget how many lives we've already lost thanks to the war the conservatives started? It's not liberals that are costing us lives. I'm not saying it's the conservative side either. It's THEM, not us. The last thing we need to do is fight amongst ourselves over whether more lives will be lost by conservatives or liberals. What we need to do, is forget that bullshit and unite to find the best way to get our men and women in the armed forces home safely. It is not liberals or conservatives that are killing people, and people will be killed no matter who's in power.

There seems to be a lot of, " If the U.S. would mind their own business, we wouldn't have to worry about Muslim extremist and we certainly wouldn't be in this predicament."

It's not that we need to completely mind our own business. If a country is doing harm to its citizens, we need to step in and help fix it. The problem isn't that America gets in other people's business. The problem is that we occasionally overstep our boundaries. The non-radical members of the countries we've invaded during this war didn't mind that we came. What they're upset about now, is that we're still there trying to run their government for our best interest. We should've done what we needed to do, help them re-establish their own functional government then peaced out. Anything past that is not our business.

I think the notion that we mind our business and play pretty and the mean old terrorist will leave us alone, is
nonsense.

If we play nice, they won't leave us alone. They never will. The funny thing is that all of you are saying we need to bomb them, but we've been bombing them. We've been bombing them constantly since the war started and obviously it's not working. We've dropped many bombs already. If you bomb a bunch of crazies, do you honestly think they're going to be like "oh, ok bro. Sorry about everything, our bad. We'll leave you alone." No. They're going to retaliate, and we're going to go back and forth dropping bigger and bigger bombs until both of us are wiped out. Besides that, it's also very flawed logic to think dropping bombs will solve problems. At the end of the day, bombs wipe out people, not ideologies. You can bomb whoever you want, but their ideology will live on and there will always be someone to carry it on. You're not going to get rid of it. You never will. And bombs aren't going to help us gain control of people who hate us. More importantly, if we dropped more powerful bombs, we'd pretty much be asking them to bring something of equal strength to our land in return. Bad idea.

One thing I will say to layinback though, is that I appreciate you always saying "radical muslims" rather than simply "muslims". It's important to remember that these behaviors are not typical of most muslims or the islam religion. This is a crazy sect of Islam, like those that exist in every other religion, and that non-radical muslims don't deserve to be punished for radicals' mistakes.

 

[binö]

Um, did you forget how many lives we've already lost thanks to the war the conservatives started? It's not liberals that are costing us lives. I'm not saying it's the conservative side either. It's THEM, not us. The last thing we need to do is fight amongst ourselves over whether more lives will be lost by conservatives or liberals. What we need to do, is forget that bullshit and unite to find the best way to get our men and women in the armed forces home safely. It is not liberals or conservatives that are killing people, and people will be killed no matter who's in power.

It's not that we need to completely mind our own business. If a country is doing harm to its citizens, we need to step in and help fix it. The problem isn't that America gets in other people's business. The problem is that we occasionally overstep our boundaries. The non-radical members of the countries we've invaded during this war didn't mind that we came. What they're upset about now, is that we're still there trying to run their government for our best interest. We should've done what we needed to do, help them re-establish their own functional government then peaced out. Anything past that is not our business.
If we play nice, they won't leave us alone. They never will. The funny thing is that all of you are saying we need to bomb them, but we've been bombing them. We've been bombing them constantly since the war started and obviously it's not working. We've dropped many bombs already. If you bomb a bunch of crazies, do you honestly think they're going to be like "oh, ok bro. Sorry about everything, our bad. We'll leave you alone." No. They're going to retaliate, and we're going to go back and forth dropping bigger and bigger bombs until both of us are wiped out. Besides that, it's also very flawed logic to think dropping bombs will solve problems. At the end of the day, bombs wipe out people, not ideologies. You can bomb whoever you want, but their ideology will live on and there will always be someone to carry it on. You're not going to get rid of it. You never will. And bombs aren't going to help us gain control of people who hate us. More importantly, if we dropped more powerful bombs, we'd pretty much be asking them to bring something of equal strength to our land in return. Bad idea.

One thing I will say to layinback though, is that I appreciate you always saying "radical muslims" rather than simply "muslims". It's important to remember that these behaviors are not typical of most muslims or the islam religion. This is a crazy sect of Islam, like those that exist in every other religion, and that non-radical muslims don't deserve to be punished for radicals' mistakes.

i am forever blacking you for saying such a retarded thing.
sorry

 

[AFeedz]

i am forever blacking you for saying such a retarded thing.
sorry

A republican president was in power when this started and plenty of lives were lost then, just like plenty of lives have been lost since Obama took the white house. Besides, my whole point was that it is neither liberals' nor conservatives' fault that lives have been lost. So I don't see the problem with what I said.

 

[AFeedz]

Let me show you what I do to Liberals and Terrorists.

My point was just that we (obviously) have bigger things to worry about than liberals v. conservatives. Both sides should grow up and hear each other out to come to a conclusion quickly before more unnecessary deaths occur. Both sides have done right and wrong things. If they'd listen to and learn from each other, we'd be better off.

 

[Strongbow]

Um, did you forget how many lives we've already lost thanks to the war the conservatives started? It's not liberals that are costing us lives. I'm not saying it's the conservative side either. It's THEM, not us. The last thing we need to do is fight amongst ourselves over whether more lives will be lost by conservatives or liberals. What we need to do, is forget that bullshit and unite to find the best way to get our men and women in the armed forces home safely. It is not liberals or conservatives that are killing people, and people will be killed no matter who's in power.

It's not that we need to completely mind our own business. If a country is doing harm to its citizens, we need to step in and help fix it. The problem isn't that America gets in other people's business. The problem is that we occasionally overstep our boundaries. The non-radical members of the countries we've invaded during this war didn't mind that we came. What they're upset about now, is that we're still there trying to run their government for our best interest. We should've done what we needed to do, help them re-establish their own functional government then peaced out. Anything past that is not our business.
If we play nice, they won't leave us alone. They never will. The funny thing is that all of you are saying we need to bomb them, but we've been bombing them. We've been bombing them constantly since the war started and obviously it's not working. We've dropped many bombs already. If you bomb a bunch of crazies, do you honestly think they're going to be like "oh, ok bro. Sorry about everything, our bad. We'll leave you alone." No. They're going to retaliate, and we're going to go back and forth dropping bigger and bigger bombs until both of us are wiped out. Besides that, it's also very flawed logic to think dropping bombs will solve problems. At the end of the day, bombs wipe out people, not ideologies. You can bomb whoever you want, but their ideology will live on and there will always be someone to carry it on. You're not going to get rid of it. You never will. And bombs aren't going to help us gain control of people who hate us. More importantly, if we dropped more powerful bombs, we'd pretty much be asking them to bring something of equal strength to our land in return. Bad idea.

One thing I will say to layinback though, is that I appreciate you always saying "radical muslims" rather than simply "muslims". It's important to remember that these behaviors are not typical of most muslims or the islam religion. This is a crazy sect of Islam, like those that exist in every other religion, and that non-radical muslims don't deserve to be punished for radicals' mistakes.

Let me show you what I do to Liberals and Terrorists.

 

[Strongbow]

My point was just that we (obviously) have bigger things to worry about than liberals v. conservatives. Both sides should grow up and hear each other out to come to a conclusion quickly before more unnecessary deaths occur. Both sides have done right and wrong things. If they'd listen to and learn from each other, we'd be better off.

Okay but I done bombed you. Sorry

 

[AFeedz]

Okay but I done bombed you. Sorry

ok but i done diffused it. sorry.

 

[Strongbow]

ok but i done diffused it. sorry.

LOLZ Okay if you had waited, since you were being nice I would have done it for you, but now don't get smart about it.

 

[AFeedz]

LOLZ Okay if you had waited, since you were being nice I would have done it for you, but now don't get smart about it.

i'm not getting smart. i don't like bombs, obviously. peace & love.

 

[-SD-]

i am forever blacking you for saying such a retarded thing.
sorry

I seem to recall something about jets being flown into buildings by radical Muslims or something.

 

[Strongbow]

Its funny how people scream "liberal!" when someone suggests we shouldnt get involved in other countries problems when minding our own business is a traditional conservative idea.

I was saying it cause your Asian. And go ahead and ignore me, cause I know you read this shit, that gives me peace.

 

[Strongbow]

i'm not getting smart. i don't like bombs, obviously. peace & love.

I like about 30mins to an hour of love, then leave me the fugg alone so I can get my WAR on.

 

[75th]

Its funny how people scream "liberal!" when someone suggests we shouldnt get involved in other countries problems when minding our own business is a traditional conservative idea.

 

[AFeedz]

I like about 30mins to an hour of love, then leave me the fugg alone so I can get my WAR on.

if you can get the job done in an hour, i dont think it matters what you do afterwards

 

[the_alcatraz]

like a muslim that uses sauce??
i would guess that if i didn't know...but if you
had a sombrero on i'd say mexican.
discuss

by "look" I meant the whole "vibe" and "actions" - not all muslims are what you see on CNN...the whole ayayayay thing

 

[the_alcatraz]

You look middle eastern. not that theres anything wrong with that in and of itself but dont make it out to be like people wouldnt mistake you for a muslim when you look middle eastern.

I look sek-c as hell bro...just sayin

 

[the_alcatraz]

There seems to be a lot of, " If the U.S. would mind their own business, we wouldn't have to worry about Muslim extremist and we certainly wouldn't be in this predicament."
Well, Bin laden didn't have a problem being trained and equiped by American troops when he was fighting the russians in Afghanistan. He had an issue when we Showed
up in Kuwait and the Kuwaiti government declined his request to help out. Some things are so simple and we tend to overlook the obvious in our quest for complexity.
The genesis for Bin Ladens attacks reside in a hurt ego. I think the notion that we mind our business and play pretty and the mean old terrorist will leave us alone, is
nonsense. Shit, life doesn't work that way on a micro level, much less a macro level.

The U.S is intricately tied to almost every country on earth. As you all know, everything is global and we all share some of each others business. Furthermore, the U.S is
an economic / military super power like the world has never known and we have more and deeper ties than most. How do we determine what our business is and is not.
Who are what committee is elected - appointed to take on such a vast and immeasurably complicated job? What would be the criteria for, "our business" ?

How did WW II end? Minding our own business and diplomacy? How about WW I ? Civil war ? War of independence? Because these guys don't wear uniforms and reside
in a particular country and their driven by religious ideologies as opposed to socio political forces, we need to take another approach ?

I am not a racists or a bigot. I am not anti Muslim. I am not a "KILL EVERYONE AND LET GOD SORT 'EM OUT" mentality. I am however, a realist. In my opinion radical
Muslims will continue to try to wipe out modern civilization, regardless of our policies. Radical muslims and the countries that leave them unabated, understand one
thing and one thing only, force.

Try a little experiment. Go to prison. Inform the other inmates that you are gonna stay out of their business and that you only expect the same from them.
After you get all of your personal effects taken from you and you're beaten or stabbed, tell them that you want to talk about it peacefully. I'm sure you guys
will work something out lol.

you say you're not a bigot or a recist and you keep saying muslims this and muslims that...if you would use the term radical muslims, i may actually believe you.

 

[-SD-]

I look sek-c as hell bro...just sayin

I'm straight as hell bro, just sayin

 

[binö]

by "look" I meant the whole "vibe" and "actions" - not all muslims are what you see on CNN...the whole ayayayay thing

jihad jihad, dirka dirka?
and you keep saying CNN wtf i thought fox was racist?????

 

[Strongbow]

Seen a many a Muslim, would be willing to say theres a shit pot full of diffrence between the Muslims that are waging war and their brothers who live in fear of their lives everyday. I am not in anyway sideing with Muslims, just saying you can't judge a human beings heart based on the fact he is a Muslim, Christian, or whatever God he chooses to worship. I do however think that Libreals, as well as radical Muslims are the enemy to me and this country.

 

[Strongbow]

Just so there is no misunderstanding of what I am trying to say. If you kneeled down a Muslim and a Liberal in front of me, gave me my Ole Trusty S&W .44mag, and said SB shoot one of this bishes in the head. I would without hesitation shoot the liberal, because the chances of converting the ignorant are much greater than the chances of converting the wicked. Contain Yoself Fools.

 

[cindylou]

LOL SB you are hilarious

 

[bigpokey]

bigpokey you seem to have a nasty habit of unfounded personal attacks on members. you don't argue in an intelligent fashion and you immediatley
resort to name calling and character assasination. we have our differences here and sometimes it gets heated, but historically we don't put up with
cowardly peeps who troll the board lookin for negative attention and use EF as a catharsis for their real world loser status.

personally, if i see you doing this to other peeps, i'm gonna bomb you. i'll bomb you daily if need be. now straighten up and bring something to the
party or get the fuck on down the road. in other words, start acting like a man and not a punk.

we get it bro, all problems are solved by bombs... good one

 

[stevesmi]

i am forever blacking you for saying such a retarded thing.
sorry

STFU you dumb gay X-con.

the only retard on here is YOU.

they must be desperate to hire a bum like you.

FAGGOT

 

[cryptosporidium]

lol @ thinking theres a difference in agenda between either party calling the shots.

 

[Strongbow]

LOL SB you are hilarious

I am also sexy as hell, would you not agree?

 

[Strongbow]

we get it bro, all problems are solved by bombs... good one

Could I get your addy for GPS purposes on this missile I have? TYIA Oh shit nevermind, remeber when you sent me the PM with your addy? LOLZ

 

[bigpokey]

Could I get your addy for GPS purposes on this missile I have? TYIA Oh shit nevermind, remeber when you sent me the PM with your addy? LOLZ

haha why the fuk would i have sent u my addy in a pm? I'm not one of your gay boy customers lookin for a cheap blow sorry

 

[Strongbow]

haha why the fuk would i have sent u my addy in a pm? I'm not one of your gay boy customers lookin for a cheap blow sorry

Whatever you fucking faggot idiot, I know who you are. And you know Ima end up kicking your lil ass up too, bish. Now STFU before me and Layinback bomb yo punk ass hoe bish, and fix me a sammich.

 

[bigpokey]

Whatever you fucking faggot idiot, I know who you are. And you know Ima end up kicking your lil ass up too, bish. Now STFU before me and Layinback bomb yo punk ass hoe bish, and fix me a sammich.

lololol when u get money for blow jobs do the guys usually fix u a sammich or is that only when u pay them for the gay sex?

 

[Strongbow]

lololol when u get money for blow jobs do the guys usually fix u a sammich or is that only when u pay them for the gay sex?

You sure talk about gay sex a lot, fat fag.

 

[stevesmi]

glad to see the board is getting along.

I LOVE everyone of you.. i guess that makes me the biggest faggot on here? i hate that f*cking word btw.

 

[layinback]

you say you're not a bigot or a recist and you keep saying muslims this and muslims that...if you would use the term radical muslims, i may actually believe you.

I MADE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN MUSLIM AND CRAZY ASS MUSLIM IN EVERY
POST!

Do you remember when you first got to EF? You were being attacked for being
muslim and i defended you tooth and nail! I came close to getting bant!

Racism and the intolerance for other beliefs, cultures and the like is deplorable.
Traz, please go back and review my post on this thread.

 

[AFeedz]

I MADE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN MUSLIM AND CRAZY ASS MUSLIM IN EVERY
POST!

Do you remember when you first got to EF? You were being attacked for being
muslim and i defended you tooth and nail! I came close to getting bant!

Racism and the intolerance for other beliefs, cultures and the like is deplorable.
Traz, please go back and review my post on this thread.

^^ True. I ended my first post on this thread by thanking layinback for always saying either "radical muslims" or "muslim extremists"

 

[layinback]

Um, did you forget how many lives we've already lost thanks to the war the conservatives started? It's not liberals that are costing us lives. I'm not saying it's the conservative side either. It's THEM, not us. The last thing we need to do is fight amongst ourselves over whether more lives will be lost by conservatives or liberals. What we need to do, is forget that bullshit and unite to find the best way to get our men and women in the armed forces home safely. It is not liberals or conservatives that are killing people, and people will be killed no matter who's in power.

It's not that we need to completely mind our own business. If a country is doing harm to its citizens, we need to step in and help fix it. The problem isn't that America gets in other people's business. The problem is that we occasionally overstep our boundaries. The non-radical members of the countries we've invaded during this war didn't mind that we came. What they're upset about now, is that we're still there trying to run their government for our best interest. We should've done what we needed to do, help them re-establish their own functional government then peaced out. Anything past that is not our business.
If we play nice, they won't leave us alone. They never will. The funny thing is that all of you are saying we need to bomb them, but we've been bombing them. We've been bombing them constantly since the war started and obviously it's not working. We've dropped many bombs already. If you bomb a bunch of crazies, do you honestly think they're going to be like "oh, ok bro. Sorry about everything, our bad. We'll leave you alone." No. They're going to retaliate, and we're going to go back and forth dropping bigger and bigger bombs until both of us are wiped out. Besides that, it's also very flawed logic to think dropping bombs will solve problems. At the end of the day, bombs wipe out people, not ideologies. You can bomb whoever you want, but their ideology will live on and there will always be someone to carry it on. You're not going to get rid of it. You never will. And bombs aren't going to help us gain control of people who hate us. More importantly, if we dropped more powerful bombs, we'd pretty much be asking them to bring something of equal strength to our land in return. Bad idea.

One thing I will say to layinback though, is that I appreciate you always saying "radical muslims" rather than simply "muslims". It's important to remember that these behaviors are not typical of most muslims or the islam religion. This is a crazy sect of Islam, like those that exist in every other religion, and that non-radical muslims don't deserve to be punished for radicals' mistakes.

This is a sound arguement. It's dispassionate and logical. Certainly more
reasonable than my proposition. I was very angry when i wrote my little
tirade.

You are clearly a level headed individual with an eloquent approach. Thank
you for your contribution.

 

[binö]

STFU you dumb gay X-con.

the only retard on here is YOU.

they must be desperate to hire a bum like you.

FAGGOT

i've noticed you have made this accusation against me
a few times, you are confused.
i have never spent one minute of my life in prison, i did
a weekend once for a DUI and a night in the drunk tank, but that is it.
Stop putting my profession on blast like that, edit
that out of your post.

 

[layinback]

Uhhh...you do realize that this just proves my point, right?

bin Laden only had a problem with us after we showed up in his neck of the woods much like the Russians did.

we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. i think this is an
oversimplification and even if it has merit, we can't walk on eggshells with
our fingers crossed thinking, " boy i hope we didn't piss off any crazy
muslims today."

again, defining what is and what is not our business is a concept of
such magnitude, i dare say we'd ever get it right. furthermore our
most benign action could be percieved as an egregious violation of
some obscure koranic law.

i do concede that we need to develop alternative energy sources and we
need to stay out of the middle east as much as possible.

 

[binö]

A republican president was in power when this started and plenty of lives were lost then, just like plenty of lives have been lost since Obama took the white house. Besides, my whole point was that it is neither liberals' nor conservatives' fault that lives have been lost. So I don't see the problem with what I said.

a democrat was in office for the majority of the nam war
same with w2
same with w1.
that's a lot of blood and hundreds of thousands of lives

 

[layinback]

You sure talk about gay sex a lot, fat fag.

ignore him bro. sb, he goes about the board startin shit and he post
bullshit on peeps profile. he's like the little boy in first grade who pulls
susy's pigtail for attention. he aint gettin no attention in real life so
it's easy to talk shit and stir a fuss on the internet.

we got better things to do sb! i'm gonna be down your way soon
and were gonna get together. we'll get us a 3 finger dip and talk
shit and you can hang with me and kathy at my sisters house in
savannah.