We Need more supporters for weightlifting like Ed Coan :rolleyes:

[perkele]

using a bench shirt is like using a belt, only amplified. its for safety and yes, it helps.

I've seen more accidents and injuries happen to lifters with BP shirt than to those without, so I don't buy the safety issue when you're handeling 40% more weight than you would without the shirt. Thank god spotters are better nowdays.

 

[pwrlftrscott]

Kaz is still the best all around lifter ever. Yes, his records have been broken on paper but nobody has proven to be stronger, and isn't powerlifting supposed to be about pure strength?

his best raw bench was 661, that has been demolished, and yes by raw lifters, you do know he wore a squat suit and knee wraps right? he wore what was available at the time, jsut like the guy do now. you do know guys back them used knee wraps on thier elbows to bench, and put tennis balls behind thier knees and wrapped them, some even moved squat jacks out of the way after they lifted off so they would not have to walk out the weight, just like a mono does today. not to mentoin aas was easily available. it has alway been about gaining an advantage and comparing lifters of 20-30 years ago to todays lifters is as silly as doing it in other sports, it can't be done. kaz was the best in his day, but not today.

 

[Tiervexx]

Kaz is still the best all around lifter ever. Yes, his records have been broken on paper but nobody has proven to be stronger, and isn't powerlifting supposed to be about pure strength?

his best raw bench was 661, that has been demolished, and yes by raw lifters, you do know he wore a squat suit and knee wraps right? he wore what was available at the time, jsut like the guy do now. you do know guys back them used knee wraps on thier elbows to bench, and put tennis balls behind thier knees and wrapped them, some even moved squat jacks out of the way after they lifted off so they would not have to walk out the weight, just like a mono does today. not to mentoin aas was easily available. it has alway been about gaining an advantage and comparing lifters of 20-30 years ago to todays lifters is as silly as doing it in other sports, it can't be done. kaz was the best in his day, but not today.

I am aware of all of this.

The point is that equipment takes away from what makes powerlifting interesting in the first place.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I am aware of all of this.

The point is that equipment takes away from what makes powerlifting interesting in the first place.

just out of curiosity..what do you think the masses who attend PL meets would fin more exciting..

someone becnhing 850-1000 or someone becnhing 500-700

 

[majutsu]

To add a little substance to Beast's comments . . .

In PLUSA, at the WPNF nationals Bill Frenick took third in the 242lb class open with a 305 bench, and 405 sq, and 405 dl. They even have a picture of him barely eking out the squat. Now, since I weight 200lbs and can now hit 405 for 6 on the squat since I doubled it 1-2 months ago, do you honestly think I can watch a guy who outweighs me by 40lbs barely squat once what I can rep out?

Now, I respect the fact that most of these guys are police officers doing a tough job. I respect the fact that he's definitely drug-free and doesn't use bench shirts or knee wraps. I understand that I am pumped full of anabolics and use titan knee wraps. But still, I can't watch some fat, sorry lump do a fraction of what I can do. People go to the Special Olympics to watch their special needs children or to volunteer for a good cause. They don't go for the riveting athletics -- for that, they watch juiced up baseball players with high tech bats, or 350lb steroid-filled lineman in suits of armor.

Raw and tested feds are not the "spirit of powerlifting" -- they are the special Olympics of powerlifting.

The "spirit of powerlifting" is to out-lift the other guy, to out lift everyone, by any means necessary. This is why powerlifting is the way it is. Because most powerlifters wanted to go that way. It's an obvious evolution, whose engine is the "spirit of powerlifting". That "spirit" is not to lift within the confines of some puritanical religious philosophy -- that would just be some new-wave flavor of evangelism. The "spirit of powerlifting" is to lift more, despite the gear bruises, despite the dangers of anabolics, despite the blood pouring from your eyes. That's the spirit of iron, Tiervexx. It's the age-old story of the triumph of the hero against all odds.

I remember as a kid (in the free and easy 70's) watching the Olympic lifters with my dad, and the Russian guys would set these world records bleeding profusely from the mouth, nose and eyes. I remember thinking, "That's the greatest thing I've ever seen!" I went out to get my first Joe Weider kid's weight set with my dad the next day . . . And another lifter is born. That's the spirit and the heart of powerlifting.

 

[Tiervexx]

just out of curiosity..what do you think the masses who attend PL meets would fin more exciting..

someone becnhing 850-1000 or someone becnhing 500-700

sorry, I left out the phrase "in my opinion"

I'm NOT telling all of powerlifting how to lift, I'm just saying that I believe the 500-700 clean lifts are more interesting than 850-1000 with such flexable standards.


I don't think many people find lifting heavy weights with a crane to be too terribly interesting, and while lifting with even the best shirts and suits is still extremely diffrent from using a crane I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere or else it WILL be very comparable sooner or later.

 

[Tiervexx]

I know that Gene is a strong guy, but he went from 800 to 1000 VERY quickly. The fact that his bench skyrocketed in such a short period of time really proves how far the equipment has come.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

sorry, I left out the phrase "in my opinion"

I'm NOT telling all of powerlifting how to lift, I'm just saying that I believe the 500-700 clean lifts are more interesting than 850-1000 with such flexable standards.


I don't think many people find lifting heavy weights with a crane to be too terribly interesting, and while lifting with even the best shirts and suits is still extremely diffrent from using a crane I think the line needs to be drawn somewhere or else it WILL be very comparable sooner or later.

i understnad its your opinion as is what i post mine..

that "line" that you think should be drawn is already in effect..its te reason there are many federations single ply,raw, double ply..its when people start saying that my 600 single ply bench is better than someone elses 750 double ply bench..its not that linear..to make comparisons you need the same lifter to bench in both single ply and double ply..

i understand your opinion but youre still demeaning those that lift in more than one ply with your comments..putting on strong equipment and loading up the more would kill most people and seriously alter their form

 

[jcp2]

Equipped, unequipped, it don't matter, because this thread will be 10 pages soon and will be quite dull. Do what you want, equipment is here to stay, but sometimes i wonder if the single ply feds have it right. However, the more i think about it mendys raw record is probably the most impressive bench to date, and coan walking out a grand and hitting it deep is probably the most impressive squat to date.

 

[Throw2Far]

Ed Coan's letter looked like a little arnold style shit talking just to boost numbers for an event... Dont be so sensitive... Gene had his response...

IMO Kazmaier is the best lifter of all times, his total has not been broken raw. The greatest powerflifter must be able to combine the three events and this is measured in the total. The greatest raw total is the greatest powerlifter, and this is Kazmaier. You know what fuck imo... this is fact...