We don't need the 17aa orals!

[Realgains]

The liver is quite resilient. It can handle a lot of shit, including 6-8 weeks of dbol at 50mg ED. Cycle off the orals and allow the liver to recover and you will be fine. I NEED dbol in my cycle, i love the shit, and i aint injecting ref-b (its a 17aa anyway). There are a lot of good injectables, but there are also several good orals. Its a mix and match. Just dont use too many orals at a time and for too long and one should be ok. No worse than weekly drinking..

 

[Andrew Bradley]

I've only tried two varieties of 17AA gear; Anadrol and D-ball. I started using D-ball about 3 weeks into a Sustenon cycle and I got a big heater on my face for every little pink tab I took. After 10 days of it, I kind of made the correlation and stopped the D-ball(but continued the Sus) and the acne stopped completely. No other type of gear I've used has ever cause acne for me. I gave the remainder of my D-balls to a friend and he did not report a similar problem, actually he loved'em.

As far as Anadrol goes, a couple of weeks ago I tried'em at 50mgs/ed and had to stop after only 6 days. No acne or any thing like that, its just that they turned me into a fuckin psychopath. I liked what they did for me in the gym, but I'm still trying to do the damage control for my mood swings and unreasonable sensitivity from several weeks ago.

Winstrol is too hard to get here and what is here is mostly fake.

So thats that, no other type of gear has ever had adverse effects on me, just the 17 AA substances. I love Sus, Prop, EQ, Primo, and Proviron. If the 17 AAs ceased to exist, my life would be just as great. I've tried'em and can't stand'em.

Peace,
AJ.

 

[jstrong20]

Once you have tried the ultimate stack TEST/TREN he he he ..then you will not want any orals.

I would have to disagree as to that being the ultimate stack. I think my next cycle will be the ultimate stack:anadrol, tren, suspension, halo.

 

[bigmarco]

Realgains is correct on why injectible winny is safer for the liver than oral. One other thing is that more of the drug is used and less is destroyed by the liver. This equates to a lower dosage being as effective as a higher oral dose.

I like to remind people that dbol is the only drug invented specifically to build muscle. I love dbol. I wish it were easier for me to take. I get those excrutiating lower back pumps.

 

[Realgains]

I would have to disagree as to that being the ultimate stack. I think my next cycle will be the ultimate stack:anadrol, tren, suspension, halo.

I guess I should have said ultimate SANE cycle he he he
Peace

 

[McBane]

In terms of toxivity I have heard many different things about Anavar. Most seem to say it is not very toxic at the low dosages that people take it at, but I've heard a few say otherwise. What is the general opinion about the toxivity of anavar? No one has really touched on this yet in this thread. Specifically how toxic 30mg daily doses for say an 8 week cycle, just for example. Personally I would say it should be fine especially if you throw in some ALA.

 

[xonic2xonic]

BIGMARCO......


Why do you like dboll so much, and can you expound on that only drug invented shit?

Thanks!

 

[gUiLe]

And the winner is........I say NO 17aa orals! I agree that you can
get awesome gains from both Dbol and Anadrol but is it really
worth it? I am 34 and will NOT subject my liver to that kind of
punishment. I can't wait to see all these Dbol and Anadrol
hornblowers 5 to 10 years from know when the doctor tells
them their livers are shot. Use all the ALA and milk thistle you
want, it will not help. The ONLY 17aa I ever did was Anavar. My liver values were very high after that. My bloodwork (always
get bloodwork before and after a cycle) showed it. If it is mass
you are after, why not just use Test? I'll stick with Deca, Primo
and EQ. I don't even need lil winny

 

[jboldman]

Have you ever taken Anadrol?

150 mg of abombs the equivalent of 30mg dbol? Not in my world!
I would rate it closer to the same mg/mg!
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xonic2 xonic....Anadrol is needed in a higher dose compaired to dbol and winny in order to see results bro. Dbol for example has a higher affinity to the androgen receptor and is more effective at a smaller dose than anadrol. Anadrol has a lower affinity and this is why you see anadrol in 50mg tabs.
All the above roids are 17 alpha alkylated in order for them to be able to withstand oral administration.....Anadrol because of its higher needed dose has more of this toxic compound.

As a rough guide 30mg of dbol will produce similar gains to 150 mg of anadrol.

 

[Primal X]

If your gyno prone u must go 17aa.

If I look at D-bol I have to go bra shopping! Don't go there bro!