We don't need the 17aa orals!

[Realgains]

I can't believe all the votes FOR using 17aa orals

There must be a shit load of really young "it will never happen to me dudes" out there... he he he ...just a little humor now boys he he he
Bring on the flames I can handle it..it think

 

[mike001]

heck I never claimed to be a guru.....just sharring my experience and knowledge

its all good bro

 

[peudo]

17aa is a must in gh cycles, slin, and even regular ol aas cycles. Dbol rocks and anavar cuts rocks.

 

[Realgains]

17aa is a must in gh cycles, slin, and even regular ol aas cycles. Dbol rocks and anavar cuts rocks.

WHY a must? Although anavar does cut rocks he he he

 

[peudo]

I'm sorry, not a must. They do compliment cycles rather well though. Covers all the bases if you will. As an oral passes through the liver it releases IGF-1 which is essential in a gh cycle and very good for any other cycle. If I'm going to spend the money on a gh cycle I'm going to take everyone's advice and use and oral like dbol. I'm going to spend $600 dollars on three months alone. That's not including the aas involved. So, even if your gonna spend 200-300 dollars on an all injectable cycle why not throw an oral in there. I recomend doing a search on insulin dbol and IGF-1

 

[liquidmuscle]

hell yeah i love 17aa halo,winny ......all the good shit

 

[bigrand]

Bro, orals arent that damaging, no more than tylenol or hight doses of Niacin. None of us are using orals for extreme extended periods of time. Overstating the damage a bit i think. The liver will return back to normal after awhile.

 

[Realgains]

Bro, orals arent that damaging, no more than tylenol or hight doses of Niacin. None of us are using orals for extreme extended periods of time. Overstating the damage a bit i think. The liver will return back to normal after awhile.

I will have to respectfully disagree with much of that bro, although a couple cycle per year are probably okay...but lets say you are correct...why use them at all when we have such good injectables in every known ester?

Once you have tried the ultimate stack TEST/TREN he he he ..then you will not want any orals. And as I mentioned before there is no eveidence to suggest that Tren is kidney toxic.

 

[Realgains]

Looks like I am getting the **##* kicked out of me on the poll.
So much for helping the old Liver out and keeping the cholesterol values sane

WHERE ARE ALL THE CAREFUL AND WISE OLD GUYS...30 and up he he he ??

I still think that if you are not a top competitor then you should avoid the 17aa orals.
I once attended a Dorian Yates seminar and he told me that later in his career he didn't touch them. NO BULL DUDES

 

[bigrand]

The liver is quite resilient. It can handle a lot of shit, including 6-8 weeks of dbol at 50mg ED. Cycle off the orals and allow the liver to recover and you will be fine. I NEED dbol in my cycle, i love the shit, and i aint injecting ref-b (its a 17aa anyway). There are a lot of good injectables, but there are also several good orals. Its a mix and match. Just dont use too many orals at a time and for too long and one should be ok. No worse than weekly drinking..