We don't need the 17aa orals!

[MadCow1]

Re: Have you ever taken Anadrol?

150 mg of abombs the equivalent of 30mg dbol? Not in my world!
I would rate it closer to the same mg/mg!
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Have to agree..

For me 30mg of dbol still doesn't equate to 50mg of A-50. The old Syntex pills were simply superb - I got awesome gains from 1/2 a pill ED. On 50mg I could hardly get sore and could workout for hours if I felt like it (this is why they call it the work capacity drug).

I had heard that an injectible A-50 was making the rounds in the mid-late 80's and it worked even better with lower dosages being more effective. Any body have any info as I was always curious? I know A's kits may be able to make it into an inject possibly creating some type of depot in the oil to last 1-2 days and provide more even levels.

All the enthusiasm aside, being older and wiser I wouldn't put A-50 in my body and I'm not too keen on using dbol any more.

 

[Realgains]

Re: Have you ever taken Anadrol?

150 mg of abombs the equivalent of 30mg dbol? Not in my world!
I would rate it closer to the same mg/mg!
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No way bro You must be on Mars ..even 100 of d-bol would blow 150 of Anadrol out of the water....but you would need a nice training bra he he eh eh Okay I am will to bump it up th 50 on d-bol but thats it.....30 may be a little low but perhaps not
Remember the bloat from A-bombs is worse than with d-bol IMO and thus there is less realgains in muscle...I am talking about real muscle tissue gain when I compair the two bro

 

[jboy]

Everyone reacts differently to each drug. I don't have any gyno problems on 30mg/day dbol, but test makes my nipples sensitive at 500mg/week. I also retain more water on test than dbol. Anadrol bloats me like a hippo, dbol doesn't. I personally won't run a 17aa for more than 4 weeks and only in low-moderate dosages. I will also wait at least 6 months before using one again. I don't think 17aa's are evil, but they should be used sparingly.

 

[bigrand]

People are worrying too much about liver failure........

 

[Realgains]

People are worrying too much about liver failure........

Two things the average guy doesn't worry enough about is Liver and cholesterol bro ,IMO

Why use a liver toxic substance when you don't need to. We have incredible roids like Trenbolone acetate, and then the best injectable, Testosterone, in many different esters....who the heck need d-bol or A-bombs anyway.

Why not include nolvadex 20mg during a cycle with 17aa roids as it does improve cholesterol level. Two well know Guru's, Bill Roberts and Bill Llewellyn, advocate the nolva and or clomid for this reason.

 

[bigrand]

Im concerned about my liver, but not overly. I take my 900mg of ALA ED and i watch for signs of liver stress (none even on 50mg dbol and 40mg anavar ED). My point is that orals have been around for ages and will continue to be around. They work and you dont see a whole lot of people with liver problems from them. Remember, several orals are prescription meds and anothough they are hard on the liver, they are not overly destructive. For the few that have had some bad liver problems (not talking elevated liver enzymes, more like peliosis hepatitis), which have been few, the liver usually repairs itself in time. Mentioning AAS without dbol is insane. The only injectable i know of is ref and its dirty. Bol is a mainstay along with winny, drol, halo, and var. I dont think there is an injectable that compares to bol and drol in terms of size increase. I still feel that it is good to combine an inj. and an oral (i would rather not inject 3 different AAS every week).
To each their own, but as long as people keep the doses sane and for a sane amount of time, their livers will be fine, the likleyhood of something bad happening is very small, so dont fret!

Good points though realgains, even though i think orals are relitivly safe, they are not without their dangers, just like everything else...

 

[Realgains]

Im concerned about my liver, but not overly. I take my 900mg of ALA ED and i watch for signs of liver stress (none even on 50mg dbol and 40mg anavar ED). My point is that orals have been around for ages and will continue to be around. They work and you dont see a whole lot of people with liver problems from them. Remember, several orals are prescription meds and anothough they are hard on the liver, they are not overly destructive. For the few that have had some bad liver problems (not talking elevated liver enzymes, more like peliosis hepatitis), which have been few, the liver usually repairs itself in time. Mentioning AAS without dbol is insane. The only injectable i know of is ref and its dirty. Bol is a mainstay along with winny, drol, halo, and var. I dont think there is an injectable that compares to bol and drol in terms of size increase. I still feel that it is good to combine an inj. and an oral (i would rather not inject 3 different AAS every week).
To each their own, but as long as people keep the doses sane and for a sane amount of time, their livers will be fine, the likleyhood of something bad happening is very small, so dont fret!

Good points though realgains, even though i think orals are relitivly safe, they are not without their dangers, just like everything else...

Fair enough.

 

[bigmarco]

Xonix

To answer you question on why I love dbol, because it works. It works fast and complements many other drugs. I can only use it for four weeks, due to lower back pumps, but those are the best four weeks of my cycle.

When I mention that dbol is the only drug invented specifically to produce lean muscle, that does not in any way suggest it is the only effective drug to increase muscle. I should also reiterate, that it is the only human drug. Some of the vet drugs like winstrol and equipoise were created with horse performance in mind.

I am almost positive that dbol is the only drug created to build muscle. All the other anabolics were created to combat other diseases or symptoms. Please inform us if you know of any other anabolics created to specifically increase lean muscle.

Deca - cancer, burn victims
testosterone - HPTA shutdown
anadrol - anemia, low red blood cell count

 

[jboy]

One more point: Stay the hell away from alcohol when using 17aa's, and give your liver plenty of time to recover before you even think about drinking post cycle.

 

[sterol]

one vote for my liver.


I won't use orals again unless it's anavar. Or if I get to nationals in a couple years, I'll use anadrol and/or winny for contest prep ONLY. Test,Tren,Deca,Primo,Equipoise,hGH,R3long IGF-1, and Insulin is all I could ever really ask for anyways.

I am also thinking about economics. 10 synovex carts cost 75$ and a sep kit cost $100. A 8gf kit for $60 and fina for $150. Arimidex cost $300 for 100mg. $50 for proscar.


that's 16g of test and 8g of fina

week1-10 100mg test ED
week1-8 75mg Fina ED
week 1-12 .5mg arimidex ED

week 19-29 100mg test ED
week 19-27 75mg Fina ED
week 19-31 .5mg arimidex ED

for around $750 including shipping.

week 1-31 igf-1 50mcg ED
week 1-31 hGH 4iu ED

For only another 7 grand!

That's got to look good for some of you on total hormone replacement. 45 weeks at 350mg per week cost under $200