you guys have obviously never been to Greece have you....ever been to the DEA website, intelligence shows greeks, russians, and romanians run the markets...obvioulsy who do you think is hooking us up with major band name such as QV, Jelfa, Shering, BD products, etc...these labs have poeple that work for them that get those products out in BULK and those poeple are the organized crime groups....and they are expanding into the UG lab game to sell more product under a different name even though its the same products...they do this by getting the actual base chemicals in powder form, convert it, and sell it....ever wonder why most UG labs sell powders and liquid oral products as well as injectables?????.....trust me, they dont pay chemistry majors from harvard to work for them and create these chemicals