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Apöllo
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that was the 1/4 the Viper was hitting below 12 seconds everytime and the Supra was about a half second to full second slower.
Lumberg
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OK just watched it.
First of all the driver of the Supra did NOT know what he was doing. HE was doign mad burnouts on street tires! And you could hear the wheelhop he was getting coming out of the gate. Notice the Viper had slicks or at least drag DOT tires and was wisely avoiding the water pits and not doing burnouts.
Second of all notice in most races the Supra was catching the viper big time. The turbo lag was killing the Supra. It has much more pull at higher RPMs, the only way to combat that is launching at higher RPMs which the driver was not doing, and probably couldn't do on street tires. in a 1/2 mile race or even a 3/8 mile race the "Poopra" woudl haev won every time.
I am willing to bet the Viper was more modded than the supra. Witness the rear tires for one.
For the kind of money the owner of the Viper had spent I GUARANTEE you the Supra owner could have had a car that woudl run CIRCLES around the Viper.
First of all the driver of the Supra did NOT know what he was doing. HE was doign mad burnouts on street tires! And you could hear the wheelhop he was getting coming out of the gate. Notice the Viper had slicks or at least drag DOT tires and was wisely avoiding the water pits and not doing burnouts.
Second of all notice in most races the Supra was catching the viper big time. The turbo lag was killing the Supra. It has much more pull at higher RPMs, the only way to combat that is launching at higher RPMs which the driver was not doing, and probably couldn't do on street tires. in a 1/2 mile race or even a 3/8 mile race the "Poopra" woudl haev won every time.
I am willing to bet the Viper was more modded than the supra. Witness the rear tires for one.
For the kind of money the owner of the Viper had spent I GUARANTEE you the Supra owner could have had a car that woudl run CIRCLES around the Viper.
lumberg and vector I hear you guys the supra driver was clueless, in the one race i belieave the 2nd you can hear the supra's blow off values, but they do not have the real pop that a supercharger or tubro engine has so my guess in not many mods. one of my boys has a hooked up supra that will run low 9's with me driving and mid to high 9 my friend driving.
If I had the money in each car I would take the supra and hook mad style, run 9's and still have 50k left for juice and pimp gear
If I had the money in each car I would take the supra and hook mad style, run 9's and still have 50k left for juice and pimp gear
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I'm scared to do too much to my supra
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Apöllo
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4everhung said:
You should be, the parts would be insane to replace.
mrjoker5150
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That video should have been called "Who gives a shit?"
Wow, you get a Viper, that is obviously a race car, with full Mickey F'ing Thompson Slicks, vs. a street Supra with a radials. Yeah, that really matters.
They are two drastically different cars. The Viper is brute force and ignorance with nearly obsolete technology. The Supra is an over engineered nearly state of the art supercar, with the potential to be a ridiculously fast, all with a 6 cyl!
They are very different. And to compare the two is apples versus oranges.
Wow, you get a Viper, that is obviously a race car, with full Mickey F'ing Thompson Slicks, vs. a street Supra with a radials. Yeah, that really matters.
They are two drastically different cars. The Viper is brute force and ignorance with nearly obsolete technology. The Supra is an over engineered nearly state of the art supercar, with the potential to be a ridiculously fast, all with a 6 cyl!
They are very different. And to compare the two is apples versus oranges.
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Y_Lifter said:
Jesus! $430 that would be like $1000 today.
pitbullstl
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Wow, a bunch of tards......
My guess not a single one of you has ever owned a Viper.....
I've had 7.....most recently a Black Hennessy 03' RT/10......
There is no comparison........
Take two stock cars......a 96 RT/10 with 10000 miles on it...
And a stock Supra Twin Turbo......with 10000 miles on it.....
Book value is the same.......and the actually purchase price would be the same if you could find two such cars to compare.....and buy
Any way you want to look at it......in stock form the Supra would get it's ass handed to it every time......
You wanna talk mods????
Ok........put $5,000 in the Supra.......whatever you want.....
And I'll put $5,000 in a stock RT/10 gears, header, exhaust, and better airflow........and once again the Viper will contiune to walk away from the Supra.......
My guess not a single one of you has ever owned a Viper.....
I've had 7.....most recently a Black Hennessy 03' RT/10......
There is no comparison........
Take two stock cars......a 96 RT/10 with 10000 miles on it...
And a stock Supra Twin Turbo......with 10000 miles on it.....
Book value is the same.......and the actually purchase price would be the same if you could find two such cars to compare.....and buy
Any way you want to look at it......in stock form the Supra would get it's ass handed to it every time......
You wanna talk mods????
Ok........put $5,000 in the Supra.......whatever you want.....
And I'll put $5,000 in a stock RT/10 gears, header, exhaust, and better airflow........and once again the Viper will contiune to walk away from the Supra.......
mrjoker5150
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pitbullstl said:
And it's still a Dodge.
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yeah I'd hate to think how much it would cost to replace a couple of legsApöllo said:
pitbullstl
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Lumberg said:
Current Market Value Wholesale Per Manheim Online:
1996 Supra Twin Turbo with 10000 miles: $30,907
1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 with 10000 miles: $29,986
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pitbullstl said:
Holy Shit!! I gotta buy a Viper!!!
Lumberg
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Ok I just looked on Kellys blue book
1996 Supra Twin Turbo, 10,000 miles, excellent condition:
1996 Toyota Supra Turbo Liftback 2D
Engine: 6-Cyl. 3.0L Turbo
Trans: Automatic
Drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Mileage: 10,000
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Consumer Rated Condition: Excellent
"Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks great, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. It should pass a smog inspection. The engine compartment should be clean, with no fluid leaks. The paint is glossy and the body and interior are free of any wear or visible defects. There is no rust. The tires are the proper size and match and are new or nearly new. A clean title history. This is an exceptional vehicle.
Private Party Value $23,795
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1996 Dodge Viper GTS Coupe 2D
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Private Party Value $32,660
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This is for zip code 20850 BTW
I don't know WTF Manheim is but I use Kelly's blue book and the difference there is almost $10,000.
I think what this also shows is that Supras hold their value WAY better than Vipers cos Supras are reliable and Vipers are notorious for mechanical failures including blowing oil lines.
Also note the race was a 3.0 L V6 vs. an 8.0 V10.
You buy a 1996 Supra, put $6000 in mods on it and it'll BLOW THE DOORS off a stock 1996 Viper GTS, you'll have $2000 left over to play with, AND you can use it as a daily driver AND it'll spend less time in the shop AND regular maintenance will cost less.
Any more questions?
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1996 Supra Twin Turbo, 10,000 miles, excellent condition:
1996 Toyota Supra Turbo Liftback 2D
Engine: 6-Cyl. 3.0L Turbo
Trans: Automatic
Drive: Rear Wheel Drive
Mileage: 10,000
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Consumer Rated Condition: Excellent
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Private Party Value $23,795
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1996 Dodge Viper GTS Coupe 2D
Engine: V10 8.0 Liter
Trans: 6 Speed Manual
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Mileage: 10,000
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Private Party Value $32,660
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This is for zip code 20850 BTW
I don't know WTF Manheim is but I use Kelly's blue book and the difference there is almost $10,000.
I think what this also shows is that Supras hold their value WAY better than Vipers cos Supras are reliable and Vipers are notorious for mechanical failures including blowing oil lines.
Also note the race was a 3.0 L V6 vs. an 8.0 V10.
You buy a 1996 Supra, put $6000 in mods on it and it'll BLOW THE DOORS off a stock 1996 Viper GTS, you'll have $2000 left over to play with, AND you can use it as a daily driver AND it'll spend less time in the shop AND regular maintenance will cost less.
Any more questions?
Class dismissed.
pitbullstl
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ChrisOh said:
Who owned who???
You are all a bunch of sheep....
I own a car dealership......I think I'm a little more in tune with the market then anyone posting on this thread.
First: Kelly Blue Book, is published by the automotive industry to give you, the uneducated idiot consumer an idea what you should pay for a car.
Second: No online source other than www.manheim.com, will give you even close to an idea of a car's market value, and unless you have a dealer's license, you can't even look.
Third: Market value is dictated by resale + number of that specific car for sale or that have sold in a set period of time ie: fiscal quarters. (explanation to the layperson, you couldn't find 5 1996 Supra Twin Turbo's with 10000 miles on them if your life depended on it, thereby making this a rare and collectable car) So throw all your little internet price guides out the window little girls cause they don't mean shit in the real world.
Fourth and Finally: If you or anyone else can find me one 1996 Twin Turbo Supra with 10000 miles on it for $23,000, please p.m. me and I will pay you a $2500 finders fee. (that car will retail on my lot for $31,000 all day long.
Owned clearly not.
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Heahy Minister
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pitbullstl said:
pitbullstl said:
LMAO! First of all the blue book value is not the same as Lumberg pointed out (Kelly's blue book is one of the standards). It may be close but it's not the same.
Secondly, your point basically shows that the DEPRECIATION value of the Viper is a piece of shit compared to the "rice burner" Supra. Supra's hold their value, Viper's don't. The cost of a Viper is nearly twice that of a Supra, yet after some miles are put on it they are valued nearly the same.
pitbullstl
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Oh and another thought to the fast and furious queers.
In 1996 the Toyota Supra Twin Turbo retailed for $48,000, the Dodge Viper RT/10 retailed for $52,000. A $4,000 difference, take that $4,000 grand and beat any one of the stock Viper's I have owned, I dare ya. I races some douchebag in a 97' Twin Turbo last summer. This ginsel had $80,000 tied up in his Jap Crap......
Wasn't even close......What was I in??? An 03' Hennesy RT/10 sticker price with mods.....$81,000.
In 1996 the Toyota Supra Twin Turbo retailed for $48,000, the Dodge Viper RT/10 retailed for $52,000. A $4,000 difference, take that $4,000 grand and beat any one of the stock Viper's I have owned, I dare ya. I races some douchebag in a 97' Twin Turbo last summer. This ginsel had $80,000 tied up in his Jap Crap......
Wasn't even close......What was I in??? An 03' Hennesy RT/10 sticker price with mods.....$81,000.
pitbullstl
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'Hey Mister said:
You keep using Kelly's as your baseline.
Idiot's like yourself keep me in business.
If I buy a car to race, go fast, modify, or whatever, I for one don't give a shit if it depreciates or not.
And my point showed that the Supra is a rare car with that kind of mileage. Mainly because little kiddie's are constantly racing them up and down the highways racking up the miles, or wrecking the shit out of them because they saw The Fast and Gay one too many times
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Apöllo
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I've seen the specs on the F&F Supra and it's not as fast as I would have thought.
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Spartacus
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still though,give toyota half of the viper's 8 liters and give the americans 3 liters and imagine what would happen...I'm always impressed with doing more with less
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Apöllo
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Just make sure that 3 litre American engine has twin turbos!
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Spartacus
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Pitbull Im gad someone knows cars. Supras cant keep up with Vipers stock, and it gets even worse with mods. The vipers displacement allows it to make huge amounts of power. I remember guys had Vipers with twin turbos back in like 99 with 1200+ hp in a street car. Prob have more now.
I believe it was called the stryker viper, and also Henessey had one with turbos too. Henessey and this guy that everybody claimed had the fastest street Supra were going to do a 1/2 mile or 1 mile straight line race. Never happened.
Wish it would have though, would have put money on the viper.
I believe it was called the stryker viper, and also Henessey had one with turbos too. Henessey and this guy that everybody claimed had the fastest street Supra were going to do a 1/2 mile or 1 mile straight line race. Never happened.
Wish it would have though, would have put money on the viper.
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you're missing the point
pitbullstl
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From Zero said:
Yep, ya sure can.......first become a dealer, or befriend one, second wait until summer is over, then the deals will be rampant.
Haven't seen this thread in awhile.......for all you Supra fans.....I've got a 97' Twin Turbo for sale..........and it's so fast.......and furious.....and stuff.
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No down payment, high interest rate.
When kids finance cars it's a dealer's and a lender's dream!
I put 10k down on my RX8, got a 4% interest rate, paying 200/month.
Yeah, it's no Supra, I know.
When kids finance cars it's a dealer's and a lender's dream!
I put 10k down on my RX8, got a 4% interest rate, paying 200/month.
Yeah, it's no Supra, I know.
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Live and learn eh?
You're old
You're old
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From Zero said:
It still wouldn't get you laid
i saw a 93 talon smoke a 2002 base model corvette once standard v8...the vet had exhaust system, wat sounded like an intake, and maybe headers but i couldnt tell...the talon won by a car
there is no point to race those 2 cars. but it was a pretty fat race, the driver of the supra did not look like he knew how to drive...or maybe it was just turbo lag.
there is no point to race those 2 cars. but it was a pretty fat race, the driver of the supra did not look like he knew how to drive...or maybe it was just turbo lag.
Buddy_Christ
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it's been said previously, but i'll say it AGAIN......
look at the displacement difference between the Supra and the Viper. now look at the 1/4 mile times they were running. i was having a hard time seeing some of them, but in every race it looked like that Supra was under .5 seconds slower...WITH LESS THAN HALF THE ENGINE.
i like things that look good and go fast. i hate riced out cars. however, bone stock supra doesn't look bad at all, and i wouldn't fuck it up by making it look retarded.
i'm a fan of muscle cars, big blocks, endless horsepower and torque, and speed. however, japanese cars and motorcycles do just as much with half the engine. yeah, pitbull might outrun me with his bike up against mine, but he's got a 1340cc engine in his, i've got 600ccs, and he wouldn't get far away from me. it takes THAT much more of an american built engine just to beat a japanese one.
and lets hit on fuel efficiency real quick here...a Viper gets what, 10mpg, 12? i wouldn't doubt the Supra gets in the 20s.
yes, it was a V6 mustang, but.....
took the gf's Civic today to save some gas (double the milage than my Blazer). hit a stretch of road with 2 lanes that runs a few miles long. a V6 mustang jumped in front of me, we were both going about 75mph. we both ran up to 80 and passed the other cars in the right lane. i stayed in the left lane 2 car lengths behind him. he apparently thought this was a challenge, so he started pulling away. we ran up to 115mph and i was still 2 car lengths behind him. 1.6L SOHC NON-VTEC 96 Civic keeping up with a late 90s V6 Mustang. he had twice the engine. yeah, i know, a GT Mustang would've left me eating dust, but it's sad when it takes an American car twice the engine just to beat a Japanese one.
look at the displacement difference between the Supra and the Viper. now look at the 1/4 mile times they were running. i was having a hard time seeing some of them, but in every race it looked like that Supra was under .5 seconds slower...WITH LESS THAN HALF THE ENGINE.
i like things that look good and go fast. i hate riced out cars. however, bone stock supra doesn't look bad at all, and i wouldn't fuck it up by making it look retarded.
i'm a fan of muscle cars, big blocks, endless horsepower and torque, and speed. however, japanese cars and motorcycles do just as much with half the engine. yeah, pitbull might outrun me with his bike up against mine, but he's got a 1340cc engine in his, i've got 600ccs, and he wouldn't get far away from me. it takes THAT much more of an american built engine just to beat a japanese one.
and lets hit on fuel efficiency real quick here...a Viper gets what, 10mpg, 12? i wouldn't doubt the Supra gets in the 20s.
yes, it was a V6 mustang, but.....
took the gf's Civic today to save some gas (double the milage than my Blazer). hit a stretch of road with 2 lanes that runs a few miles long. a V6 mustang jumped in front of me, we were both going about 75mph. we both ran up to 80 and passed the other cars in the right lane. i stayed in the left lane 2 car lengths behind him. he apparently thought this was a challenge, so he started pulling away. we ran up to 115mph and i was still 2 car lengths behind him. 1.6L SOHC NON-VTEC 96 Civic keeping up with a late 90s V6 Mustang. he had twice the engine. yeah, i know, a GT Mustang would've left me eating dust, but it's sad when it takes an American car twice the engine just to beat a Japanese one.
XBiker
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crak600 said:
I agree with you for the most part.
Jap cars are much more efficient in the power/torque to CC ratio.
Not to mention in the first video, the Supra driver was driving like a retard. He didn't have the right tires to begin with, his attempts at a burnout were pathetic, etc.
The Supra has a inline 6, 3 L, 2JZ-GTE motor. These are steel block motors that can easily be boosted to 600 HP without detonation, misfires or cam/head damage. There's a real good reason that these are the preferred jap car for 1/4 runs and drifting.
As for the Viper, it sports a V-10, 8L motor, which produce massive amounts of torque. Hence the reason the Viper was off the line much quicker (not to mention that the guy in the Viper was a better driver).
I like American cars as well as Jap car. Rice free, please.
Buddy_Christ
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8L Viper engine.
3L Supra engine.
Viper needs more than double the engine of the Supra to beat it.
pathetic.
3L Supra engine.
Viper needs more than double the engine of the Supra to beat it.
pathetic.
pitbullstl
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crak600 said:
Uhhh.....what bike do I have that has a little old 1340cc motor....... It's a built 145" motor with a blower......and if someone with a 600.....ANYTHING...thinks they would pull anywhere close in a 1/4 mile run....I'll have a dozen of whatever there taking......
As far as fuel economy goes.......
A. Who gives a shit, we're talking performance cars.
B. For those who give a shit, the viper will avg. 27 mpg in 6th gear on the highway.....
I'm all for a great debate....but just because you see something on the internet, or read something in a magazine.......DOESN'T MAKE IT FACT.
I'll say it once, I'll say it again.....stock Supra vs. stock Viper = Supra loses everytime.
I have at one point had at my disposal damn near every car you can think of....unlike many of the magazine article regurgitators chiming in here. Including at least 2 dozen Supras (single turbo's, twins, blown n/a cars etc..) as well as every year Viper other than 92'. The cars are on two different levels PERIOD. I have not slammed Japanese cars in any way, but if someone on this board knows of or owns themself
, a Supra that will touch my Hennessy Twin Turbo Viper..........bring it.
pitbullstl
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crak600 said:
Apples and Oranges bro......
N/A car Viper
Twin Turbo Supra......so the displacement can't be equally considered.
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mrjoker5150 said:
And the supra is still a toyota, the same kind of car you see little Asian ladies driving. At least the dodge has some balls
Buddy_Christ
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pitbullstl said:Uhhh.....what bike do I have that has a little old 1340cc motor....... It's a built 145" motor with a blower......and if someone with a 600.....ANYTHING...thinks they would pull anywhere close in a 1/4 mile run....I'll have a dozen of whatever there taking......
I'll say it once, I'll say it again.....stock Supra vs. stock Viper = Supra loses everytime.
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wasn't sure the displacement of your bike, i thought i was close. what does it run in the 1/4 btw?
in this discussion, you fail to acknowledge why a stock Viper will beat a stock Supra by .3-4 seconds in the 1/4 mile...and that's because it has more than double the displacement. more than double....2.6 times the displacement! even with THAT much more displacement, the Supra still holds pretty firm ground being under 1/2 second slower in the 1/4 mile.
now, imagine if the japanese build an engine that was 1/2 the size of the viper engine, or hell, say 5-6L displacement.....the viper would look completely pathetic.
p0ink
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pittbullstl,
i met a former car dealer, and he was giving me advice on buying a used car. he said that there is some kind of book dealers use when purchasing a used car. he told me to go to a dealership, tell them i like car x, and tell them i will pay $500 more than what this book says.
do you know what book i'm talking about. i wrote this shit down, but i lost it.
i met a former car dealer, and he was giving me advice on buying a used car. he said that there is some kind of book dealers use when purchasing a used car. he told me to go to a dealership, tell them i like car x, and tell them i will pay $500 more than what this book says.
do you know what book i'm talking about. i wrote this shit down, but i lost it.
pitbullstl
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p0ink said:
It's the Black Book (wholesale values) there is rough, average, and clean book.....to be in a car right you need to buy it below average book. In most cases this will allow you to drive said car for roughly a year and a half with average miles, and not lose money. It's getting harder and harder for you to strike a deal like this with a dealer, due to there being an oversaturated market of wholesaler's.
pitbullstl
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crak600 said:
Working on sub 9 1/4 runs with my bike......I'm just not that damn good yet.
TWIN TURBO's.........get it....got it......good.
A twin turbo Neon with smaller displacement will run with a Supra.
Buddy_Christ
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yeah, but stock twin turbos couldn't equal 5 liters of displacement.
what are the tq/hp numbers of both cars? i do'nt feel like searching so someone else can.
what are the tq/hp numbers of both cars? i do'nt feel like searching so someone else can.
pitbullstl
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p0ink said:how about posting up some tips for how we can screw the dealers...err, i mean save money.
New cars, and used cars are two very different animals. A new car, walk in with the invoice pricing in hand (domestic only) and tell them you would like the car for $1000.00 less. Or during these times of free money, pay slightly below sticker and finance at 0%.
Used cars research the market, ie: looking for a Suburban look on the internet for trucks in Dallas and Oklahoma, as 80% of the Suburbans/Tahoes/Yukons are auctioned in those two states. Your bank should have access to Black Book Values......befriend your bank, or better yet become a dealer.....seems like everyone else is....
Buddy_Christ
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no shit on the dealer part....there's 20 used car dealerships within 10 miles of my house, not including the major car dealerships.
all the used car dealers, however, have SHIT cars except for one place.
all the used car dealers, however, have SHIT cars except for one place.
Both were about the same price. A Viper 95 was 77k$CND (56kUS) while a Supra 95 was 69k$CND (50kUS). On the 1/4 mile, the Viper is hard to beat (stock cars at least). On the 1/2 mile, it's a diferent story. The race could have been closer if the Supra owner had stopped doing these insane burnouts.
vansmack2000
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Id take the supra
pitbullstl
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Lumberg said:
Wanna bet???
Lumberg
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pitbullstl said:I have not slammed Japanese cars in any way, but if someone on this board knows of or owns themself
I'd love to see the supra in 4everhung's link go up against your hennessy.
Let's see a video of you driving your Hennesy to a sub- 8.56 second 1/4 mile run. Prove us Viper-haters wrong bro.
powerforward
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"A professionally modded Supra vs. a professionally modded Viper.
Supra wins."
depends on the mods.
if both cars start at stock and you are given $20,000 to spend, the viper still wins.
i'm not sure where the mythical supra stuff comes from, yes its a good car with a lot of potential for mod's, but the viper starts off with alot more power and every bit the modification potential.
Supra wins."
depends on the mods.
if both cars start at stock and you are given $20,000 to spend, the viper still wins.
i'm not sure where the mythical supra stuff comes from, yes its a good car with a lot of potential for mod's, but the viper starts off with alot more power and every bit the modification potential.
Lumberg
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powerforward said:
That's the point that you and pitbullsl have been arguing from the start, and that's not the point.
The proper comparison is, you have a total budget of $70,000. Each person can spend the money however they like, the only rule is one person has to start with a Supra at blue book value, and the other person has to start with a Viper at blue book value.
NOW who wins?
powerforward
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what year viper and what year supra?
i can get a viper for around 30-35 with some miles on it.
i can get a supra for around 25-30 with about the same miles.
35-40k on mods.
equal conditions/equal drivers= viper wins.
i can get a viper for around 30-35 with some miles on it.
i can get a supra for around 25-30 with about the same miles.
35-40k on mods.
equal conditions/equal drivers= viper wins.
pitbullstl
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Lumberg said:
ME.....and who uses Blue Book.......NO ONE. Sticker in 98' last year for your favored Supra, Twin Turbo loaded $52,985. RT/10..loaded $52,675.
Viper wins...Viper wins!!!
The Hennessy Twin Turbo, with the right driver runs 8.48 in the 1/4.
powerforward
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here are a couple of cars for comparison
http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=177&sort=2&cat=2&page=1
http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=177&sort=2&cat=2&page=1
viper will be faster.
but both cars will be plenty fast.
http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=177&sort=2&cat=2&page=1
http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=177&sort=2&cat=2&page=1
viper will be faster.
but both cars will be plenty fast.
powerforward
Well-known member
"I sense lots of Small Pee Pees from some of the posts in here"
why do you say that, because we like high hp sports cars?
or because we are debating over cars?
why do you say that, because we like high hp sports cars?
or because we are debating over cars?
pitbullstl
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Y_Lifter said:
Quiet down old man....go back to loving your gator, and churning butter.
Your Spidey Senses are off......what's happening here is you have a lot of people preaching on subjects that they are not well versed in.
powerforward
Well-known member
pitbullstl, do you still have the viper?
pitbullstl
New member
powerforward said:
Right now I've got an 03' RT/10 stock, and an 01 GTS, w/ minor mods. I'm a dealer, so they're both for sale......want one??
The Hennessy sold in April.
powerforward
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just bought my wife a car, but i just sold my vette so i need something.
would love the 01 gts, what color/what price? just in the thinking stage right now.
would love the 01 gts, what color/what price? just in the thinking stage right now.
pitbullstl
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powerforward said:
Yellow, clean as hell. 22k miles, I'll take $49,000
powerforward
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nice..
Lumberg
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pitbullstl said:
Again you are arguing the wrong points. No one cares what the sticker prices were 6 years ago. The point is how much an average person could get the car for on the open market. You are a used car dealer. BFD. No one else on this thread is, so sorry, you have to use criteria that actually apply to the people with whom you are arguing.
powerforward, both of those links are to the same car. DOH!
also, where are your sources for those prices? In my scnario, there is no restriction on what year or condition of vehicle you start with. You get $70,000. You could spend it on a beater and build it up from scratch, or you could spend the full $70k on a fully prepped race car. Point is, one person has to start with Supra, the other person has to start with a Viper.
I honestly do not know who would win. The point I am making is, you guys are trying to argue a point that no one else cares about.
pitbullstl
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Lumberg said:
Actually pinhead.......you're the one being argumentative. Popping off with 1/4 mile times and such. Put down your latest issue of Tuner magazine, come back to reality, and realize that you are creating an intangible arguement yourself, ie: starting with 70k and building from scratch, who's faster?? Too many variables, but in any imaginable situation, knowing what I know about the two cars, Viper Wins.
Buddy_Christ
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this is too damn retarded for me to even post on anymore. it's not even an intelligent conversation anymore.
IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW, DON'T FUCKING ARGUE WITH THEM. you just end up looking like a bigger idiot.
IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW, DON'T FUCKING ARGUE WITH THEM. you just end up looking like a bigger idiot.
powerforward
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pitbullstl
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crak600 said:
The idiot would be the one who has:
A. Never driven/owned/raced either car.
B. Never ran said cars against one another.
C. Regurgitates mis-information.
I'm not arguing that the Supra is not a solid car, not once.
supersizeme
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i think we can all agree that pitbull's erectors are way bigger than mine
pitbullstl
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supersizeme said:
They hurt real bad like, as well........someone tried to pick a crate motor off the ground, and didn't bend at the knees like their mommy told them they should always do.
supersizeme
New member
Someone's not going heavy enough on stiff legged deadlifts. If you're sitting there like, what are those, then just PM me because I know what it's like to be a greenie in the iron game. We were all there at one point. Stick with me and I'll get you big, son. I'll drive us to the gym in my turbo Supra as opposed to your RT/10 because we'll totally get there faster that way.
pitbullstl
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supersizeme said:
Learn me real good like.
Lumberg
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pitbullstl said:
pitbullstl said:
pitbullstl said:
pitbullstl said:
pitbullstl said:
well, that does us a lot of good.
pitbullstl said:
Did you even watch the video where the Supra smokes the viper? I was stating fact when I said
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumberg
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A professionally modded Supra vs. a professionally modded Viper.
Supra wins.
and you said:
Wanna bet???
Yeah, I'll bet you, since it already happened! How much you wanna bet?
Look you obviously know about cars. But you cocky know-it-all attitude really pisses me off. "Oh the only REAL source for used car prices is something only I am allowed to see so nah-nah-nah."
Vipers are solid, fast ass cars, but you know what? I'm even more prejudiced against them now than I was before. And you know what else? You're right, idiots do keep you in business cos anyone dumb enough to buy a car from a blowhard like you MUST be an idiot.
You personify the stereotype of a sleazy used-car salesman. Glad handing your customers to their faces while snickering over their lack of mental capacity behind their backs and laughing at the their adherence to the Blue Book.
And people wonder why I tell them never to buy a car from a dealer, especially a used-car dealer.
pitbullstl
New member
Lumberg said:Look you obviously know about cars. But you cocky know-it-all attitude really pisses me off. "Oh the only REAL source for used car prices is something only I am allowed to see so nah-nah-nah."
Vipers are solid, fast ass cars, but you know what? I'm even more prejudiced against them now than I was before. And you know what else? You're right, idiots do keep you in business cos anyone dumb enough to buy a car from a blowhard like you MUST be an idiot.
You personify the stereotype of a sleazy used-car salesman. Glad handing your customers to their faces while snickering over their lack of mental capacity behind their backs and laughing at the their adherence to the Blue Book.
And people wonder why I tell them never to buy a car from a dealer, especially a used-car dealer.
Not cocky, nor a blowhard, but thanks for putting all that effort into pulling quotes from this thread.
Sleazy hardly, salesman nah, but I have 7 and I'm looking for an 8th, wanna job???
I'm pretty sure I've helped more than enough people on this board arm themselves with the knowledge to get more than a fair deal on a car, whether it's through p.m.'s or posts I have responded to. So the na, na, na, na, attitude is a bit of a stretch.
Don't like Vipers you say, don't buy one. But you and the legion of dedicated Supra fans on this board are still wrong. Are there Supra's that can beat Vipers sure, are there 89' Mustang GT's that can beat Vipers, sure, hey fuck it are there heavily modified pickups that can run faster than a Viper.....yep.
But is there a Supra anywhere in this world that can run a sub 8 second 1/4 mile. Nope, nada.......uh uh......sorry. More than one Viper can, and when it's done it can go through the McDonald's drive through.
My attitude is a direct reflection of ......how did you put it??? Blowhards peddling misinformation to a board of people that for the majority could give two shit's which car is faster.
And with that, I bow out.
