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[stevesmi]

The high calorie diet is only effective if it is one which is abundant in nutrients. It is known that anabolic steroids including sustanon, [URL="http://drugsprofiles.com/anabolic-androgenic-steroids/anadrol.html"]anadrol[/URL], [URL="http://drugsprofiles.com/anabolic-androgenic-steroids/deca-durabolin.html"]deca durabolin[/URL] only exert their positive effects when an ample amount of dietary Protein is consumed. It is also a must that carbohydrate intake be high enough that it is the sole source of energy, allowing Protein to be used for its primary functions and not energy purposes

Few steroids work well on reduced calorie diet ( [URL="http://drugsprofiles.com/anabolic-androgenic-steroids/primobolan.html"]primobolan[/URL], winstrol ) with others like [URL="http://drugsprofiles.com/anabolic-androgenic-steroids/sustanon-250.html"]sustanon[/URL], deca durabolin, dianabol, anadrol, equipoise, testosterone you will make little progress without food. The idea is clear; food plays a major role in the acquisition of muscle mass. Most think that steroids alone will do everything but even mega doses of sustanon or anadrol won't give you significant gains without training and right nutrition

 

[satyricon1]

I see there are a lot of focus on your diet and how you eat. I think a lot of the dieting advice that you get here is a bit old fashioned thinking without much science behind it. But then again, people are different and it may work for some. Personally I like Animalbolics. Pretty straight forward and easy to follow. Allows you to shred while gaining muscle, believe it or not.

I also think that the way you work out can make a lot of difference. There are a lot of different styles and programs out there, but the one that I find most scientific intriguing is the Hypertrophic Stiumlation Training or HST. It is a way of training that I have been doing for many years, I have had incredible natural gains with it, and even close to crazy gains while on gear, I have also kept most of what I gained on my previous cycle.

In my book, those two "items" are just my GOD! Nothing above, nothing next to.. just amazingly effective, at least for me.

 

[Zyglamail]

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I dont think its as simple as saying XXX AAS works with reduced cals and another does. There are way too many factors to make it that simple. First and foremost you need to have the calories to support base metabolic functions. You need to have ample protein to add mass, ideally from mixed sources and then you need to have calories to fuel the rest of your daily functions.

If the sole goal is mass gain eat in abundance and eat ultra clean and fat gain will be a minimum but extra calories will mean extra fat.

In terms of pure calories people who have >15%BF have a little more leeway than someone at 10% when it comes to consuming cals for fueling their body. They have fat stores their body can use and when over 15% BF or so the body fairly easily gives it up so its not nearly as important they eat a large excess of cals.

satyricon1, when size was my goal (when I was younger) HST was my method as well. But now that im over 40 I just dont want to be >250 and of course now that im older its a hell of a lot harder to gain and keep it and im more into overall general fitness. The "me" today isnt quite as strong as the "me" of 10 years ago but im a hell of a lot more fit and suspect I will be close to my old strength level (just coming back after a long layoff) and probably a good 30lbs lighter.

My guess is footdoc is probably looking for for just some nice general size based on his age. Its tough as hell to put on and carry a lot of mass when your over 50.

 

[footdoc]

I dont think its as simple as saying XXX AAS works with reduced cals and another does. There are way too many factors to make it that simple. First and foremost you need to have the calories to support base metabolic functions. You need to have ample protein to add mass, ideally from mixed sources and then you need to have calories to fuel the rest of your daily functions.

If the sole goal is mass gain eat in abundance and eat ultra clean and fat gain will be a minimum but extra calories will mean extra fat.

In terms of pure calories people who have >15%BF have a little more leeway than someone at 10% when it comes to consuming cals for fueling their body. They have fat stores their body can use and when over 15% BF or so the body fairly easily gives it up so its not nearly as important they eat a large excess of cals.

satyricon1, when size was my goal (when I was younger) HST was my method as well. But now that im over 40 I just dont want to be >250 and of course now that im older its a hell of a lot harder to gain and keep it and im more into overall general fitness. The "me" today isnt quite as strong as the "me" of 10 years ago but im a hell of a lot more fit and suspect I will be close to my old strength level (just coming back after a long layoff) and probably a good 30lbs lighter.

My guess is footdoc is probably looking for for just some nice general size based on his age. Its tough as hell to put on and carry a lot of mass when your over 50.

That is so true. If I gain too much mass my colleagues will notice. I just want to look the best I can

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Just a little food for thought.

I've naturally and chemically enhanced gained 25-30lbs inside of 8-12 weeks several times after coming back from a layoff and people always notice it, but I've never been accused of using steroids.

If people know you work out and you go "on" and gain 15-25lbs all you have to say is that you are training your ass off using P90X with creatine and celltech or some bullshit.

99% of people really wouldn't know any better.

Not only that, but some people just have sick genetics for gaining size/strength rapidly so you could always use that card too.

The last thing I'm worried about is gaining noticeable size because I don't talk about aas ever and if someone mentions it I just act like your typical joe that is clueless. Works every time.

 

[RADAR]

I dont think its as simple as saying XXX AAS works with reduced cals and another does. There are way too many factors to make it that simple. First and foremost you need to have the calories to support base metabolic functions. You need to have ample protein to add mass, ideally from mixed sources and then you need to have calories to fuel the rest of your daily functions.

If the sole goal is mass gain eat in abundance and eat ultra clean and fat gain will be a minimum but extra calories will mean extra fat.

In terms of pure calories people who have >15%BF have a little more leeway than someone at 10% when it comes to consuming cals for fueling their body. They have fat stores their body can use and when over 15% BF or so the body fairly easily gives it up so its not nearly as important they eat a large excess of cals.

satyricon1, when size was my goal (when I was younger) HST was my method as well. But now that im over 40 I just dont want to be >250 and of course now that im older its a hell of a lot harder to gain and keep it and im more into overall general fitness. The "me" today isnt quite as strong as the "me" of 10 years ago but im a hell of a lot more fit and suspect I will be close to my old strength level (just coming back after a long layoff) and probably a good 30lbs lighter.

My guess is footdoc is probably looking for for just some nice general size based on his age. Its tough as hell to put on and carry a lot of mass when your over 50.

I agree , i was 260 10 or more yrs ago as you get older climbing stairs becomes a chore i'm pushing 60 and i feel in better shape than i have in my life 198, 5' 8" 10% bf

 

[footdoc]

Excellent information from some of the very top people on our site. I remember when I could barely get any quiestions answered.

 

[Zyglamail]

theres nothing wrong with opting for pasta, white rice, couple jelly beans, lean burgers (not mcdonalds), ur favourite high carb cereal like coco pops or rice bubbles etc if your struggling to get ur carb intake in

I would much rather load up on good fats than carbs or worse yet anything with HFCS in it. There are a lot of good fat sources that are super calorie dense if you need cals and the fats wont jack with your insulin like carbs will. Various nuts, olives, whole milk and avocados to name a few.

 

[stevesmi]

the junk food diet works for guys under 20. when i was a runner there was a high school dude who would brag that he eats hot dogs before coming out to a race. when i lifted in high school i had little options with nutrition. i would usually have fast food for lunch, what other option does a guy making a nickel above minimum wage have?

as adults we are past that. and should be eating nutritious foods. if you gain on junk food, you did in SPITE of it. if you ate better your gains would be better.

 

[stevesmi]

I would much rather load up on good fats than carbs or worse yet anything with HFCS in it. There are a lot of good fat sources that are super calorie dense if you need cals and the fats wont jack with your insulin like carbs will. Various nuts, olives, whole milk and avocados to name a few.

exactly.. there is a direct corelation to my diet and my results. i wish i could eat oreo's and pizza and build muscle, but not gonna happen.